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Interesting theory. I think it fits well. I have a side theory on Seifer. I've just recently begun repaying FF8 via the Steam Remaster (I hadn't played it since I was probably 16 (two and a half decades ago). I was considering how Squall and Seifer are opposite each other (introvert, dark short coat, light shirt, dark wild hair, classic revolver blade, traditional guarded stance vs. extrovert, light long coat, dark shirt, short blonde hair, modern automatic blade, fencing stance). The latter dreams of being a sorceress' knight, the former becomes one out of love and accepting responsibility... but I digress. Squall's parents do seem to be Raine and Laguna. But what about Seifer's parents? AFAIK, they are never covered, but most of the character cards in the game are held by people who have a close connection to the character. Squall's is carried by Laguna, Zell's is carried by his mom, Quistis' by a Trepie, Rinoa's by her father, Selphie's by her friend in Trabia... Irvine seems to be an outlier. Now it'd fit the story to have Cid carry Edea's and for Edea to carry Seifer's (since he's her knight) but we don't see that. Instead, Edea carries her own, Cid carries Seifer's. Why? I think that Cid and Edea are Seifer's parents, though they may or may not be biologically related. How else has Seifer gotten by with such bad behavior and repeated failure of the SeeD Final Exam? I wonder if part of the issue with Seifer is that he does realize who Edea is from the start. He's 'mommy's boy' and he either doesn't like or straight up hates Cid, though Cid probably cares deeply for Seifer or otherwise feels compelled to take special care of him. Maybe Edea always favored Squall, as she knows something of the future (albeit a very small portion of that). Maybe Seifer resents that; wishing he had Edea's attention/affection the way that Squall did. I think Cid was kept in the dark as much as possible, so he may have been more empathetic to Seifer. Thus, at the TV station, Seifer lept at the chance to gain Edea's favor. Thus, he wanted to hurt Squall at the prison, and he was more than willing to destroy Garden... to kill Cid (the other person who had Edea's affection).

In such an interpretation, the role of Rinoa becomes particularly intriguing. If Hyne is the mastermind in partial or total control of sorceresses, then what is Rinoa, Hyne's host in the past, doing fighting itself? Why can Hyne not manipulate Rinoa and what about the Hyne that is inside Rinoa? It's effectively two Hynes from different timelines fighting each other. An interpretation of the ending is particularly necessary.

I like the theory that Hyne’s lower half is Ultima Weapon. The geology class hint given by the teacher could be referring to the Deep Sea Research Center, and the thing looks like a lower half of something junctioned a little torso on top.

2:22 the rendition got my sub.

Maybe that's why I always liked Selphie, besides Edea and Ultimecia. My witch senses reacted to her

It's Ellone the true villain manipulating squall mind

They really want to hide Hyne so bad.

Your video is just unwatchable. I’m sorry. I tried. But you’re just too obnoxious.

The real final boss was all the friends we made along the way.

In hynesight 😅I find it actually pretty cool that they leave the deeper depths of the world hidden in such places for the real fans that will explore every inch in the game in a replay to explore. Even though Im supposed to be such a fan but never knew of the hidden dialogue.

Might I say, your compilation is incredible! Thank you so much

I can’t listen to this guy.. sorry

Hyne’s lower part is Ultima Weapon, proven by youtuber ”Japanese Games are Masterpieces”

Sobre lo del rey, en otro video dan a entender que se fusiono con la coraza vacia de Hyne, siendo en realidad "Ultima weapon". La figura es desmontable.

i like the contents of this video but the presentation uiuiui....

It's so funny to me that you said you could miss that guy talking about Hyne in Balamb. In those kinds of games I've always running around everywhere talking to everybod So I distinctly remember him telling me that story. I didn't know it was missable Yours is better displayed but I have a similar shelf with physical Funal Fantasy Games. My crown jewel is a FF8 copy signed by Nobuo Uematsu

I can't lie - your impression of 'mericuns was both mildly absurd, and hilariously correct.

Nah, in the english localization Ultimecia was Rinoa's future form as there's no explanation for Griever's summoning, so following just this version of the game there's no other explanation possible. Would be a different thing if they had added Ultimecia's actual dialogues but since they didn't we need to work with what we have

........ is the Swedish Chef a FF8 fan?

The only time I had a game over screen in FF3 was Cloud of Darkness. Getting back to it is an unnecessary "punishment". All of Crystal Tower. All 4 dark crystal bosses. Can't skip cutscenes. Who is gonna want to engage in every random battle here. They're just gonna escape from them all if they're just trying to get back to the final boss

I think the best two solutions are 1) random battles with an option to turn them off 2) no random battles. Enemies on screen which you choose to engage. And yes, you can run away from them once engaged in battle. Some games have the enemies chase after you for the entire zone. Some go even further and have enemies constantly trail you through zones, lol. Should they just give up chasing you at some random distance? Lol. I mean if you're faster than them then it makes sense

0:00 Intro 1:49 "1st part: Why would you run away in an RPG ?" and "1st answer: because it gets annoying" 3:55 "2nd answer: To avoid a game over" 4:58 "3rd answer: To not gain experience" 6:07 "2nd part: Runaways will be punished... or not" 6:39 "The case of Final Fantasy IV (4)" 7:07 "The case of Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga" 8:08 "My personal opinion on this type of penalty" 10:19 "Escape isn't guaranteed or instantaneous but no punishment if you succeed" 10:48 "The case of Final Fantasy VII (7)" 11:45 "The case of Digital Devil Saga" + my opinion on both games 13:14 "Escape is 100% guaranteed and/or even rewarded" 13:55 "The case of Live A Live Remastered" + my opinion on the game 14:44 "The case of Final Fantasy V (5)" 16:25 "My opinion on the Brave Blade and the Chicken Knife" 16:50 End

nice video, i thought of hyne as a hero that got rid of the monsters. i figured the other half was what became the monsters id never have known because i don't know japanese that he's ff8's ganondorf. thanks

Personally I think somewhere between Live a Live and Pokemon’s flee mechanics is good. No punishment for success, aside from the lack of battle rewards… but a good chance of successfully fleeing before taking fatal damage. Perhaps a 100% chance of success is too easy for some games but only risking hp/mp loss instead of more long term resources (like money) is probably the most punishment a game needs dole out for fleeing(perhaps even preventing a party wipe while fleeing as a hidden mechanic)

I think the way they did warrior in ffxi is genius, but they also made a really good effort making the jobs unique and balanced in that game.

So they plot twist of ff10

I just noticed now while looking at the art for the final form... The Sorceress Ultimecia upside down is a human being! It shows a complete human form, even with normal hands. The upper half has all the magical/beastly/demon aspects the Sorceresses have shown: horns, claws, and wings. But, the upper half is hollow, lacking a face, heart, lungs. In their place there are glowing circles, which correspond to the locations of chakra points. There's a glowing face for the third eye, a blue gem at the heart chakra, and smaller glowing part in the solar plexus chakra. Veins, such as the one's Edea had, shown in the cut scene, are connecting the two "bodies". "It's to be expected that the "magic of Hyne" could not be found. Because of people's feelings at that time, it concealed itself in bodies, in the form of women, people who it was thought should be protected." -Aru Hi no Garden no Jugyō Fūkei The magic of Hyne had left it's former "body" it bargained away, and it went to hide inside women. When those women had their magic awakened, natural magic users, they were known as Sorceresses. These fragments of Hyme's magic that lived inside Sorceresses, under Hyme's influence and manipulation, were trying to find a way to reunite. The goal of Time Compression was to bring all of Hyme's second half, to where his other half was, using the singularity of time. But, it was not just time, the space, was also contorting. This reverses an expanding universe, into a contracting one. That would continue shrinking space, until you reach at situation like "The Big Bang" where all matter converged. Hyme's idea was to, from this point, recreate the universe, a fresh start for Hyme. After being defeated by his creations, forced into hiding, this was the way to reconsolidate his separated "selves".

Carbuncle is based on a chilean/inca legend. "A tiny creature with a shiny mirror in its head, like a burning coal". In Chilote mythology from southern Chile, the carbuncle is said to be the "guardian of metals." it has many descriptions, from a small luminescent dog, a luminescent bivalve, a cat with a luminescent chin, or a light greenish-red fire reminiscent of fireflies. I was surprised chilean mythology has this kind of recognition in a game so old like Final fantasy 5, also many chileans doesn't know about this.

Great video. I’ve got two bits to add. Firstly on the bottom half of Hyne being linked to “geology”. There is a theory out there that suggests the lower half of Hyne was the “physical” half (which also helps explain why sorceresses have knights, to provide brute force rather than magic). The reference to geology may be a hint towards the deep sea excavation site where Ultima Weapon can be found. If you look at Ultima Weapon, it is the direct opposite of final form Ultimecia (prominent lower body, strong physical attacks, weaker upper body). Interesting theory but does leave a small plot hole around what / who Omega weapon is! Secondly, Ultimecias last words are in my opinion a way to trick the protagonists to think about their childhood. This allows them to “travel” to the orphanage in the past (in a time compressed environment) to meet Edea who in turn receives Ultimecias powers. If you don’t go to the orphanage in the past, then how can Ultimecia (as a vessel of Hyne) transfer her powers and die? In doing so it creates a time paradox but allows Hyne to go on living infinitely.

30:00 "inquiring about it for geology classwork"... What if Hyne's useless half simply turned to stone, or became fossilized? Just a thought.

The Void actually establishes the FF Multiverse and Hyne is is in FF3. Or at least a variant. Google FF3 Hein for what he looks like.

Great work 🎉. Its great that FF8 never spoon-fed this info to you like you were a toddler. You actually had to put some good effort to piece the story together. Its more rewarding because of that. Its one of the few games that catered to those with an above average IQ.

Loved that! Great work on all the research it must have taken

Plot twist : vascaroon was Hyne the whole time 😂. Great content, I don’t know why but Hyne and his role in ff8 has always peaked my interest

Haha vraiment énorme ! Une bonne barre de rire et plein de choses intéressantes ! Merci pour ce bon moment :)

If honest is the real final boss then his parents were the cause, and their parents and so on. I totally understand though, it's funny, we hear of hype from time to time but also never anything at all. So thank you for this video.

I'm sorry if this comes off as mean, there is no malicious intention with this. But why do you almost sound like Tristan from YuGiOh abridged?

The algorithm brought me here. Not really sure why.

Reading some of the Japanese caps you have the screen I think a lot of nuanced is missed here. For one thing the second myth refers to Zebalga as a master of dark arts (黒聞王). So it seems there may be a darker side of humanity with the Hyne battle. Thats probably why the French went with a necromancer.

These fan theories are infinitely better than the more popular ones like R=U or squall is dead. There’s a lot of research and actual evidence for these thought experiments

This is interesting information but get to the point, shouldn't be 50 minutes long. You are adding too much slow pointless comment.

UPDATE: 3:35 It's still possible to unlock the "Mognet" content with the help of a second DS and FF3 cartridge thanks to the local wireless communication. The Nintendo WiFI only helped people find other players around the world with the "friend codes" system. I'm still not interested in a DS copy for myself, though ^^

UPDATE (2 years later): Getting to the first legend of Hyne relies ENTIRELY ON RNG. I just so happened to save at the right moment in the series of numbers in my "RNG seed" that guaranteed ME that I'd get to see the old man and his grand daughter if I did everything shown in this video. I involuntarily manipulated the RNG and falsely claimed that it was the only way/moment where you could see the first legend but I WAS WRONG and I'm sorry for that, it was not my intent. However, you can't see the first legend anymore once Balamb has been occupied by then freed from Galbadia, the old man will just repeat how "glad he is that everyone is safe".

UPDATE (2 years later): Getting to the first legend of Hyne relies ENTIRELY ON RNG. I just so happened to save at the right moment in the series of numbers in my "RNG seed" that guaranteed ME that I'd get to see the old man and his grand daughter if I did everything shown in this video. I involuntarily manipulated the RNG and falsely claimed that it was the only way/moment where you could see the first legend but I WAS WRONG and I'm sorry for that, it was not my intent. However, you can't see the first legend anymore once Balamb has been occupied by Galbadia, the old man will just repeat how "glad he is that everyone is safe".

Riona is the main villain for taking Squall away from his true love, Seifer.

Hyne is a legend in present time during the game's story, there is no actual evidence of a being called "Hyne" being real, it's just what the people in the world of FFVIII choose to believe similar to how people in reality have a belief in various gods. I don't think Hyne was ever intended to be a major plot point of the game, it's just a reference to Hein in FFIII. The fact that you have to go out of your way diverting from where the game pushes you to go suggests that the legend of Hyne isn't really important.

There was always something strangely captivating about Final Fantasy VIII's world, like there was something big going on, but the game wasn't telling me. Even with the popular Rinoa theory adding some emotional weight to the story, it always felt like something was missing. Now, with this explanation the story finally feels complete. The world-building wasn't missing. It was just bizzarely well-hidden and fumbled due to localization issues. It kinda explains the reliance on datalog entries in XIII. With such a lore-dense world, they must have wanted to avoid the confusion that VIII left people with. Regardless, this video proves to me that Final Fantasy VIII deserves a remake, so it can have a second chance to tell its grand story that got so borked the first time around.

You can also hear this if you travel to Balamb with Quistis during the Fire Cavern section. It's weird how all the Hyne stuff is so hidden, it's an interesting part of the game world and most people probably never encounter it.