I just noticed now while looking at the art for the final form... The Sorceress Ultimecia upside down is a human being! It shows a complete human form, even with normal hands. The upper half has all the magical/beastly/demon aspects the Sorceresses have shown: horns, claws, and wings. But, the upper half is hollow, lacking a face, heart, lungs. In their place there are glowing circles, which correspond to the locations of chakra points. There's a glowing face for the third eye, a blue gem at the heart chakra, and smaller glowing part in the solar plexus chakra. Veins, such as the one's Edea had, shown in the cut scene, are connecting the two "bodies". "It's to be expected that the "magic of Hyne" could not be found. Because of people's feelings at that time, it concealed itself in bodies, in the form of women, people who it was thought should be protected." -Aru Hi no Garden no Jugyō Fūkei The magic of Hyne had left it's former "body" it bargained away, and it went to hide inside women. When those women had their magic awakened, natural magic users, they were known as Sorceresses. These fragments of Hyme's magic that lived inside Sorceresses, under Hyme's influence and manipulation, were trying to find a way to reunite. The goal of Time Compression was to bring all of Hyme's second half, to where his other half was, using the singularity of time. But, it was not just time, the space, was also contorting. This reverses an expanding universe, into a contracting one. That would continue shrinking space, until you reach at situation like "The Big Bang" where all matter converged. Hyme's idea was to, from this point, recreate the universe, a fresh start for Hyme. After being defeated by his creations, forced into hiding, this was the way to reconsolidate his separated "selves".
Great video. I’ve got two bits to add. Firstly on the bottom half of Hyne being linked to “geology”. There is a theory out there that suggests the lower half of Hyne was the “physical” half (which also helps explain why sorceresses have knights, to provide brute force rather than magic). The reference to geology may be a hint towards the deep sea excavation site where Ultima Weapon can be found. If you look at Ultima Weapon, it is the direct opposite of final form Ultimecia (prominent lower body, strong physical attacks, weaker upper body). Interesting theory but does leave a small plot hole around what / who Omega weapon is! Secondly, Ultimecias last words are in my opinion a way to trick the protagonists to think about their childhood. This allows them to “travel” to the orphanage in the past (in a time compressed environment) to meet Edea who in turn receives Ultimecias powers. If you don’t go to the orphanage in the past, then how can Ultimecia (as a vessel of Hyne) transfer her powers and die? In doing so it creates a time paradox but allows Hyne to go on living infinitely.
Great work 🎉. Its great that FF8 never spoon-fed this info to you like you were a toddler. You actually had to put some good effort to piece the story together. Its more rewarding because of that. Its one of the few games that catered to those with an above average IQ.
I have played this game through half a dozen times and this is the first time I've ever heard about that schoolteacher on the White SeeD ship. They REALLY don't want you to find some of these plot points...!
Yeah I guess they're going for "Ludonarrative Synergy" about how strict SeeD protocol is because if you go out of your way for a lot of secrets your rank can get deducted. But I guess it kinda hammers home one of the themes of the game that sometimes (but not ALL the time) you have to break the rules even if there's backlash.
@@Ranixo286 I was wrong about the first legend, it relies ENTIRELY ON RNG. I just so happened to save at the "right number in the RNG seed/series" that would guarantee ME that the old man and his grand daughter would be there if I repeated what I did in the video. But after trying to force the RNG to move (getting in and out of the Garden before putting on the SeeD uniform, etc), I didn't get the old man and his grand daughter in their house when going back from the port. I'm sorry and I really didn't want to mislead/deceive people really. The old man won't talk about the first legend anymore after the town has been occupied by Galbadia, so in the end, you can easily miss it if you're not going in and out of the town to manipulate the RNG.
Lol I do believe Selphie is the main villain. Ultimecia is Selphie in the future, in the game Selphie is very violent and there are major red flags of evil
I like the idea that it turns out everything was being masterminded by Hyne the whole time. If you look at Ultmecia's final form she looks as if she is being junctioned almost enslaved to something else. I think that is Hyne. It mentions Hyne giving up half his body and that became the sorceress. Well Ultemcia is making up the other half of the final forms body.
19:13 this adds new light on something. It feels as if Ultemcia wanted to lose and the current wisdom was so she could start a time loop. Maybe the reasons he wanted to die so that Hyne's power died with her.
Fantastic video, great job! I believe ultimecia is actually using her powers (curse of Hyne) against Hyne by attempting to force time compression to occur, creating a singular timeline in which only she exists, therefore ending the sorceress powers with her since she has no one to pass on to, SeeD no longer exists which means squall never attempts to murder her, and the power of Hyne no longer exists...with this motive, ultimecia is easily the overlooked hero of the FF8 story, allowing a calculated string of events to occur where she uses Squall as a pawn in a much greater plot...
That's a really interesting idea. I'm personally not too fond of the trend of "reforming/redeeming villains" but I do admit that Ultimecia's story seems tragic, if we consider that she was a puppet of Hyne's. FF Mobius tried something about giving her more backstory but I haven't played it, I just got some infos from someone who played. Considering that Kazushige Nojima was the story writer for Mobius, maybe he genuinely tried.
These fan theories are infinitely better than the more popular ones like R=U or squall is dead. There’s a lot of research and actual evidence for these thought experiments
For a good minute I thought your profile pic was Freddy Mercury. To be fair, those popular theories came from a time and place where everyone liked to come up with "dark and gritty what ifs" kind of theories. "What if this character was in a comma and everything was a dream?". "What if Mario had a gun? What if all of his adventures were just him tripping on LSD and mushrooms?" I still kinda like "Rinoa becomes Ultimecia" but just like my own theories in this videos, there are flaws that have to be overlooked to work properly. I don't mind "head canons", I just don't like when people want to push them as true. That's why I insisted so much on "these are just my theories and opinions" throughout the video.
@@Postumeartist It would certainly be the only plausible explanation for the english localization, sadly in the original japanese version Ultimecia clearly tells the party that "I will summon whom you believe to be the most powerful. The stronger you will him to be, the stronger he will become. You shall suffer." And there's no maniacal laughter from Ultimecia, was added to avoid translating her dialogue...
I highly recommend watching Japanese Games Are Masterpieces video of Hyne. They are also first one to convincingly prove Rinoa is Ultimecia with a lot of ingame evidence.
Thank you very much! If you plan on sharing that video, remember to recommend starting at the 20:24 mark if they don't have the patience to sit through the first half that's mostly "rambling about localisation nonsense" !
UPDATE (2 years later): Getting to the first legend of Hyne relies ENTIRELY ON RNG. I just so happened to save at the right moment in the series of numbers in my "RNG seed" that guaranteed ME that I'd get to see the old man and his grand daughter if I did everything shown in this video. I involuntarily manipulated the RNG and falsely claimed that it was the only way/moment where you could see the first legend but I WAS WRONG and I'm sorry for that, it was not my intent. However, you can't see the first legend anymore once Balamb has been occupied by then freed from Galbadia, the old man will just repeat how "glad he is that everyone is safe".
There was always something strangely captivating about Final Fantasy VIII's world, like there was something big going on, but the game wasn't telling me. Even with the popular Rinoa theory adding some emotional weight to the story, it always felt like something was missing. Now, with this explanation the story finally feels complete. The world-building wasn't missing. It was just bizzarely well-hidden and fumbled due to localization issues. It kinda explains the reliance on datalog entries in XIII. With such a lore-dense world, they must have wanted to avoid the confusion that VIII left people with. Regardless, this video proves to me that Final Fantasy VIII deserves a remake, so it can have a second chance to tell its grand story that got so borked the first time around.
In my opinion, if they remake 8, there's only 2 ways to go on about without ruining everything like they're doing with 7. Either they try to make Hyne more upfront, but not in the sense of "Dr Exposition dumping everything in an unskippable cutscene near the end".... or they simply take Hyne completely out and turn the story about some kind of "curse of the first sorceress". I'll explain my ideas in my next video... that will be up one day.
Nah, in the english localization Ultimecia was Rinoa's future form as there's no explanation for Griever's summoning, so following just this version of the game there's no other explanation possible. Would be a different thing if they had added Ultimecia's actual dialogues but since they didn't we need to work with what we have
That's a flawed conclusion... the missing of an explanation is no confirmation for this theory. Sadly the developers themeselves stated that rinoa is not ultimicia (a big mistake in my opinion for I as well make it my head cannon). They surely were pretty stingy with answers... but the fact they never thought of rinoa being the one becoming ultimicia, there is no proof... and the absence of proof is no confirmation otherwise. For griever specicly: it is said that ultimicia "scanned" squall and created griever out of his mind to turn his biggest Symbol of bravery against him. Again... there is no proof for that inside the game. But this shows that another conclusion in the absence of confirmation is more than possible.
It's so funny to me that you said you could miss that guy talking about Hyne in Balamb. In those kinds of games I've always running around everywhere talking to everybod So I distinctly remember him telling me that story. I didn't know it was missable Yours is better displayed but I have a similar shelf with physical Funal Fantasy Games. My crown jewel is a FF8 copy signed by Nobuo Uematsu
Very interesting information about Hyne. Thanks, I have to give you credit for all the long gaming hours and research you did to find out more about this Hyne.
This is awesome! I love how we can find these details years later. It is too bad they don’t always put more world building and backstory into the game literature or journals (information section of the information section lol)
Great video man! super interesting, Amazing how you can still learn things all these years later I'm going to replay FF8 after watching this. Keep the videos coming. Subbed 👍
They were originally "bread" in japanese, some of those "melon pans" and other stuffed bread treats. In french, they were "changed" to.... *drum rolls*... pretzels. Don't ask me why, FF8 and 9's french localisations were some of the weirdests in the series.
Given how Hyne was said to have "reduced the number of humans" being able to draw a spell called Apocalypse from Ultimecia's final form gives a lot of support to your idea here. Also fantastic job this is the best Final Fantasy video I've seen in years.
Don't beat yourself over it. As I said, it looks like the game's plot was changed or tinkered with a bit too late in development, leaving a lot to be ironed out. Hyne's story/legend feels like it should have been more or was more but was toned down. One of the best examples is the time discrepancy regarding the Lunar Tear that destroyed the Centra civilisation "apparently overnight" and the survivors migrated to what would become Esthar. When you speak with one of the technicians on the Space Station, he says that the Lunar Tear fell 100 years ago, but the ingame "Information section of the Information section" states that it happened 80 years ago.
I like the theory that Hyne’s lower half is Ultima Weapon. The geology class hint given by the teacher could be referring to the Deep Sea Research Center, and the thing looks like a lower half of something junctioned a little torso on top.
Interesting theory. I think it fits well. I have a side theory on Seifer. I've just recently begun repaying FF8 via the Steam Remaster (I hadn't played it since I was probably 16 (two and a half decades ago). I was considering how Squall and Seifer are opposite each other (introvert, dark short coat, light shirt, dark wild hair, classic revolver blade, traditional guarded stance vs. extrovert, light long coat, dark shirt, short blonde hair, modern automatic blade, fencing stance). The latter dreams of being a sorceress' knight, the former becomes one out of love and accepting responsibility... but I digress. Squall's parents do seem to be Raine and Laguna. But what about Seifer's parents? AFAIK, they are never covered, but most of the character cards in the game are held by people who have a close connection to the character. Squall's is carried by Laguna, Zell's is carried by his mom, Quistis' by a Trepie, Rinoa's by her father, Selphie's by her friend in Trabia... Irvine seems to be an outlier. Now it'd fit the story to have Cid carry Edea's and for Edea to carry Seifer's (since he's her knight) but we don't see that. Instead, Edea carries her own, Cid carries Seifer's. Why? I think that Cid and Edea are Seifer's parents, though they may or may not be biologically related. How else has Seifer gotten by with such bad behavior and repeated failure of the SeeD Final Exam? I wonder if part of the issue with Seifer is that he does realize who Edea is from the start. He's 'mommy's boy' and he either doesn't like or straight up hates Cid, though Cid probably cares deeply for Seifer or otherwise feels compelled to take special care of him. Maybe Edea always favored Squall, as she knows something of the future (albeit a very small portion of that). Maybe Seifer resents that; wishing he had Edea's attention/affection the way that Squall did. I think Cid was kept in the dark as much as possible, so he may have been more empathetic to Seifer. Thus, at the TV station, Seifer lept at the chance to gain Edea's favor. Thus, he wanted to hurt Squall at the prison, and he was more than willing to destroy Garden... to kill Cid (the other person who had Edea's affection).
I always thought he had more to do than just being a hidden secret lore piece, and more to do with the reason why sorceresses went evil. I considered Hyne as being a parasitic GF…what is the drawback of junctioning a GF? You lose your memory. Why though? I always thought it was because the GF’s are draining your mind to slowly take it over, which if Hyne was forcing himself into young maidens to become sorceress’ the longer he has been junctioned into them the more he will gain control over time as their memories become nothingness altogether. I also believe Griever to be a part of this and had way more to do with the story over just being a scanned thought of Squalls mind. How would squall even know Griever was a GF unless he saw him at some point in his childhood. He is regarded as the strongest GF in his mind. But why? Because he seen him after Edea absorbed Ultimecia and became the next descendent of hyne. In other words Griever is Hyne. Hyne grieves creating the humans that created him, hence he is hidden behind the moniker of Griever.
Unfortunately, in hindsight, I realised that I was completely wrong with my theory about "G-Forces were gods defeated by Hyne". Going back to Radiant Butterfly's "retranslation" of Ultimecia's dialogue, when she summons Griever, she states that she will now manifest/create the strongest GF based on Squall's imagination. So the GF were more likely created by sorceresses of the past channeling Hyne's ability to create stuff like humans and/or the world depending on the legends of Hyne.
In hynesight 😅I find it actually pretty cool that they leave the deeper depths of the world hidden in such places for the real fans that will explore every inch in the game in a replay to explore. Even though Im supposed to be such a fan but never knew of the hidden dialogue.
In such an interpretation, the role of Rinoa becomes particularly intriguing. If Hyne is the mastermind in partial or total control of sorceresses, then what is Rinoa, Hyne's host in the past, doing fighting itself? Why can Hyne not manipulate Rinoa and what about the Hyne that is inside Rinoa? It's effectively two Hynes from different timelines fighting each other. An interpretation of the ending is particularly necessary.
Ouais, "Baguette Fantasy" est la version anglaise et "Baguette Fantasy FR" est la version originale en vf. Les vidéos sont quasiment les mêmes à part des blagues que je ne peux pas toujours "localiser", forcément. Donc si tu as déjà regardé la version anglaise, te tracasse pas, va !
To truly defeat hyne, the sorceress should not be allowed to transfer powers in her death. It's obvious, the "so she could die in peace" is hyne's excuse to keep his distributed half alive. If the sorceress did not transfer the power then the portion of hyne dies with her.
Legit just explained this exact concept on another FF8 video, in an absurd way, Ultimecia is actually trying to save everyone....forced into the curse of Hyne by a previous sorceress, ultimecia is hunted and isolated by society as a result of SeeD existing specifically only to murder her. Her supreme goal is to use her magic to force a reality into existence in which only she exists...thus ending SeeD who would eventually murder her, ending the timeloop paradox, and ending a reality where she must pass on her sorceress powers. If ultimecia is successful, the sorceress powers end with her, and a reality where there is no SeeD, no witches, and no Hyne exists...
very interesting video friend, can you make a similar video about the possibilities that a sequel can bring to the story, and if you can make an interview session with some ff8 devs so we can have some answers and few evidence on all these?
That would be honestly a dream of mine but I'm million miles away from the reach of a channel such as "Did you know gaming" for example, so even if I often make jokes about needing confirmations from the story writer Kazuhige Nojima or the director/producer Yoshinori Kitase... well, that's not for today. And even if someone else "borrowed" my ideas (that others might have already came up with anyway), I'm not aware of any interview of the sort.
@@baguettefantasy I know that the ultimanias have a lot of information about these topics, but I feel that there is a distance from these( maybe also from the lack of a proper english translation) from the opinions of a wider public, and often the criticism (don't know if it is fair or not) that ff8 gets from people about its disjointed plot or script, mechanics and more, maybe if we could make a thread collaboration style with people who are on the same page about the ff8 story so that some light can be shed about these topics, some of which are still debatabe and the theories, before SE devs confirm some facts.
@@gianniszafeiridis6139 there have been some interviews like this one: web.archive.org/web/20170905173922/kotaku.com/is-squall-really-dead-final-fantasy-producer-addresses-1800007113
@@baguettefantasy "... if we ever do make a remake of Final Fantasy VIII, I might go along with that story in mind." regarding Squall being dead, lol. I will apply 'Death of the Author' here (i.e. Devs as humans change overtime and they may or may not deny their own work and because of that, they cannot be trusted). I think I will trust my own interpretation on the game's story rather than listening to authors' new opinions/answers.
Reading some of the Japanese caps you have the screen I think a lot of nuanced is missed here. For one thing the second myth refers to Zebalga as a master of dark arts (黒聞王). So it seems there may be a darker side of humanity with the Hyne battle. Thats probably why the French went with a necromancer.
Interesting and thanks for your comment. My translator friend told me that she wasn't sure but she thought that it translated to "Zebalga of the black ears tribe" or "Zebalga the black/dark". I put it through "google translate" after I read your comment and I got "king of darkness". Since "black ears" or "the dark" sounded weird or dumb, I dismissed it as some nickname you can often see with kings in History (the tall, the wise, the beautiful, so on and on) and didn't take it into account in my video. And "king of the dark arts/darkness" or "black king" might just be a metaphore for his or his clan's brutality since they won the war. Even so, it has no bearing on the french localisation as to why they changed "sorceress" to "necromancer". As far I could confirm, FF7 had 2 localisations, first for the Playstation, then a relocalisation for the PC port. Both were based on the US english, same later for FF8. I'm not sure about 9, but it was from 10 forward that the french was based directly on the japanese (even if there were some liberties taken). I might be entirely wrong as I'm working alone and don't have the ressources of a much bigger channel like "Did you know gaming" or "Larry Bundy Jr". Take care and have fun !
Could the other half of Hyne be Lunatic Pandora? Sort of like a time bomb or diversion for the humans that defeated him. This is an excellent video thank you for putting in this work! Subscribed! What was that at the end?! Was it FF12 related!?
In the game, it's stated that the Lunatic Pandora was created by Esthar around a Crystal Pillar. The Ultimania I'm referencing also confirmed that the Crystal Pillar is a giant moon rock that came down 80 years ago in a particularly devastating Lunar Cry that destroyed most of the Centra region/civilization. You can learn more here, thanks to editors of the wiki: finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Lunatic_Pandora For the special ending of my video, you're 2 numbers off, it's from a raid in FFXIV, but mostly out of context if you never did that raid ^^'
Sobre lo del rey, en otro video dan a entender que se fusiono con la coraza vacia de Hyne, siendo en realidad "Ultima weapon". La figura es desmontable.
nice video, i thought of hyne as a hero that got rid of the monsters. i figured the other half was what became the monsters id never have known because i don't know japanese that he's ff8's ganondorf. thanks
Hyne always reminded me of some hidden uber bosses that were added into the Advance versions of the earlier titles. Particularly Enuo from FF5, also sporadically mentioned (and implied to be way stronger than Exdeath) wasn’t even seen until the Advance port of FF5. Kaiser Dragon from FF6 was another but at least he had a dummied out version in the original FF6. I guess another example would hilariously be Emerald/Ruby Weapon in the original FF7, as they were not included in the original Japanese Version and only added to the International versions. But nowadays they’re so infamous that nobody would know any different. Anyway if FF8 ever gets an enhanced remaster or remake, hopefully they cover Hyne, after all, Time Travel is already such a major part of the plot. Ultimecia should have sent herself back to where Hyne was and demanded to know why he locked her (and a lot of other witches) into such an awful timeline lol. My point is, like Enou, he certainly could play a more major role for optional content imo. Not saying that this would be a good idea either, as Enou was kinda a letdown in FF5A. *Sigh* Ah well. Unrelated, but I wish we got to see more of Esthar under Adel’s leadership. FF8 has a lot of hidden lore, as you’ve shown very well in this video. It’s almost funny how hidden some of this is….I feel like a fraud, I love the lore of the FF games but have never even heard of these Zebalga characters. >_> Anyway great video!
Last week, I was thinking about FF5 for reasons unrelated to Enuo. But after perusing through the wiki pages, I ended up on Enuo's page. Your comment just made me realise how Enuo and Hyne are, in my opinion, complete opposites. Enuo is mentionned at least once in the main story, but he's ultimately irrelevant. You could erase him no problem and make Exdeath the only villain; the story wouldn't be missing any beat. However, Hyne feels like he (it ?) should have been an integral part of the plot as Ultimecia's goals feel very underdevelopped (she's just "full of rage"). I know it's pretentious, but again, I do feel like having Hyne at least appear or being mentionned once in the main plot and revealing itself as Ultimecia switches to her final form would have worked a lot better. Especially with the paralel between Hyne's Throne Room being literally the place of birth of FF8's humanity, and Ultimecia's "master room" being Hyne's place of ultimate demise at the hand of humans' children. I do hope that they take that into account if they ever try to redo the plot, but I really have no hope with how FF7 Remake turned out.
Ultimecia final form is missing its legs, this makes it obvious its hyne. maybe they dropped the Hyne story to simplify the story a little because it was already hard to understand the plot, especially for the 8-16yo kids who were playing this game.
If honest is the real final boss then his parents were the cause, and their parents and so on. I totally understand though, it's funny, we hear of hype from time to time but also never anything at all. So thank you for this video.
Imagine half of hyne body that was a fake actually live on and infused with one person that cause the sorceress to come to light. And imagine hyne recovering in the interworld rift. And this cause him to attacking any one that arriving there
@Dante Reiper That's an actually good take. My video was already long enough as it was, and I had to give up on 2 - 3 ideas because I didn't find any or enough "evidences" to back up my claims. I've been busy for quite a while, but I've been working on some kind of follow up or commentary where I adress some critics and questions, as well as explaining some of those theories that I gave up on, such as the Shumis and Deep Sea Lab.
That's my normal voice... Did you expect me to sound like Sauza in the DBZ Abridged's rendition of Revenge of Cooler 😂 ? Although I did dumb overly frenchified narration for 2 of my videos in the past: ruclips.net/video/ns5Fly9DvmQ/видео.html
Hyne is a legend in present time during the game's story, there is no actual evidence of a being called "Hyne" being real, it's just what the people in the world of FFVIII choose to believe similar to how people in reality have a belief in various gods. I don't think Hyne was ever intended to be a major plot point of the game, it's just a reference to Hein in FFIII. The fact that you have to go out of your way diverting from where the game pushes you to go suggests that the legend of Hyne isn't really important.
You can skip up to 20:24 or 28:27 where I recap what I said in the first half of the video. I know that I should have made a separate video to make fun of the localisations, but what's done is done.
@@baguettefantasy Thanks for the reply, I already watched most of the video. Finding out that Ultimecia likely took the form of Great Hyne really adds a lot of context to this great game and the character of Hyne is a great mystery I didn't know was this deep, thank you. I know I posted a kinda negative comment but I think you'd really benefit from limiting your videos to 10-20 minutes to make them more watchable and force you to keep the best stuff.
@@megakristof3855 It's fine, it's been over 2 years, I had time to think about it. I'm currently working on the "sequel" but the script started to look a bit too long so I'm gonna split the different parts/chapters in shorter separate videos.
I will say Rinoa is Ultamecia until my dying breath...but this adds even more complexity. I wish this game got a sequel since there was so much more left to explore.
But I'm french D: You're not the first one to mention my weird accent. As I learned english, I probably ended up mixing many accents as well as english and american pronunciations/inflexions of words. In the end, it likely sounds very unsettling, that's why I make sure that the subtitles are ready to go before publishing my videos ^^
@@baguettefantasy bro i mumble like an uunga buunga your doing all good enjoyed relaxing listening to random nerd stuff from high school just recentaly got the remaster and am in love all over again
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I just noticed now while looking at the art for the final form... The Sorceress Ultimecia upside down is a human being! It shows a complete human form, even with normal hands. The upper half has all the magical/beastly/demon aspects the Sorceresses have shown: horns, claws, and wings. But, the upper half is hollow, lacking a face, heart, lungs. In their place there are glowing circles, which correspond to the locations of chakra points. There's a glowing face for the third eye, a blue gem at the heart chakra, and smaller glowing part in the solar plexus chakra. Veins, such as the one's Edea had, shown in the cut scene, are connecting the two "bodies".
"It's to be expected that the "magic of Hyne" could not be found. Because of people's feelings at that time, it concealed itself in bodies, in the form of women, people who it was thought should be protected." -Aru Hi no Garden no Jugyō Fūkei
The magic of Hyne had left it's former "body" it bargained away, and it went to hide inside women. When those women had their magic awakened, natural magic users, they were known as Sorceresses. These fragments of Hyme's magic that lived inside Sorceresses, under Hyme's influence and manipulation, were trying to find a way to reunite.
The goal of Time Compression was to bring all of Hyme's second half, to where his other half was, using the singularity of time. But, it was not just time, the space, was also contorting. This reverses an expanding universe, into a contracting one. That would continue shrinking space, until you reach at situation like "The Big Bang" where all matter converged. Hyme's idea was to, from this point, recreate the universe, a fresh start for Hyme. After being defeated by his creations, forced into hiding, this was the way to reconsolidate his separated "selves".
This actually a solid idea and why "ultimecia" would want a world where only "she" would exist
Great video. I’ve got two bits to add. Firstly on the bottom half of Hyne being linked to “geology”. There is a theory out there that suggests the lower half of Hyne was the “physical” half (which also helps explain why sorceresses have knights, to provide brute force rather than magic). The reference to geology may be a hint towards the deep sea excavation site where Ultima Weapon can be found. If you look at Ultima Weapon, it is the direct opposite of final form Ultimecia (prominent lower body, strong physical attacks, weaker upper body). Interesting theory but does leave a small plot hole around what / who Omega weapon is!
Secondly, Ultimecias last words are in my opinion a way to trick the protagonists to think about their childhood. This allows them to “travel” to the orphanage in the past (in a time compressed environment) to meet Edea who in turn receives Ultimecias powers. If you don’t go to the orphanage in the past, then how can Ultimecia (as a vessel of Hyne) transfer her powers and die? In doing so it creates a time paradox but allows Hyne to go on living infinitely.
Great work 🎉. Its great that FF8 never spoon-fed this info to you like you were a toddler. You actually had to put some good effort to piece the story together. Its more rewarding because of that. Its one of the few games that catered to those with an above average IQ.
I have played this game through half a dozen times and this is the first time I've ever heard about that schoolteacher on the White SeeD ship. They REALLY don't want you to find some of these plot points...!
Yeah I guess they're going for "Ludonarrative Synergy" about how strict SeeD protocol is because if you go out of your way for a lot of secrets your rank can get deducted. But I guess it kinda hammers home one of the themes of the game that sometimes (but not ALL the time) you have to break the rules even if there's backlash.
@@Ranixo286 I was wrong about the first legend, it relies ENTIRELY ON RNG.
I just so happened to save at the "right number in the RNG seed/series" that would guarantee ME that the old man and his grand daughter would be there if I repeated what I did in the video. But after trying to force the RNG to move (getting in and out of the Garden before putting on the SeeD uniform, etc), I didn't get the old man and his grand daughter in their house when going back from the port.
I'm sorry and I really didn't want to mislead/deceive people really. The old man won't talk about the first legend anymore after the town has been occupied by Galbadia, so in the end, you can easily miss it if you're not going in and out of the town to manipulate the RNG.
Lol I do believe Selphie is the main villain. Ultimecia is Selphie in the future, in the game Selphie is very violent and there are major red flags of evil
This is so good. Can't believe I took the time to watch the whole thing. I LOVE the lore of FFVIII and the fact that you really have to dig to get it.
I like the idea that it turns out everything was being masterminded by Hyne the whole time. If you look at Ultmecia's final form she looks as if she is being junctioned almost enslaved to something else. I think that is Hyne. It mentions Hyne giving up half his body and that became the sorceress. Well Ultemcia is making up the other half of the final forms body.
19:13 this adds new light on something. It feels as if Ultemcia wanted to lose and the current wisdom was so she could start a time loop. Maybe the reasons he wanted to die so that Hyne's power died with her.
Fantastic video, great job! I believe ultimecia is actually using her powers (curse of Hyne) against Hyne by attempting to force time compression to occur, creating a singular timeline in which only she exists, therefore ending the sorceress powers with her since she has no one to pass on to, SeeD no longer exists which means squall never attempts to murder her, and the power of Hyne no longer exists...with this motive, ultimecia is easily the overlooked hero of the FF8 story, allowing a calculated string of events to occur where she uses Squall as a pawn in a much greater plot...
That's a really interesting idea. I'm personally not too fond of the trend of "reforming/redeeming villains" but I do admit that Ultimecia's story seems tragic, if we consider that she was a puppet of Hyne's.
FF Mobius tried something about giving her more backstory but I haven't played it, I just got some infos from someone who played. Considering that Kazushige Nojima was the story writer for Mobius, maybe he genuinely tried.
This has a strong Final Fantasy X Maechen vibe and I love it!
Also, mind freaking blown
Because of the beard or the accent?
@@baguettefantasy The charisma!
LOL at Maechen XD
Found your video from a Gamefaqs comment. This is awesome man! Please keep making more.
Now I feel bad for only going on Gamefaqs for CyricZ Yakuza guides... thanks to whoever talked about my video ^^
These fan theories are infinitely better than the more popular ones like R=U or squall is dead. There’s a lot of research and actual evidence for these thought experiments
For a good minute I thought your profile pic was Freddy Mercury.
To be fair, those popular theories came from a time and place where everyone liked to come up with "dark and gritty what ifs" kind of theories.
"What if this character was in a comma and everything was a dream?".
"What if Mario had a gun? What if all of his adventures were just him tripping on LSD and mushrooms?"
I still kinda like "Rinoa becomes Ultimecia" but just like my own theories in this videos, there are flaws that have to be overlooked to work properly.
I don't mind "head canons", I just don't like when people want to push them as true. That's why I insisted so much on "these are just my theories and opinions" throughout the video.
R=U is my favourite fan theory in any game ever. I don’t care what devs say. It’s my personal canon lol
@@Postumeartist It would certainly be the only plausible explanation for the english localization, sadly in the original japanese version Ultimecia clearly tells the party that "I will summon whom you believe to be the most powerful. The stronger you will him to be, the stronger he will become. You shall suffer."
And there's no maniacal laughter from Ultimecia, was added to avoid translating her dialogue...
I highly recommend watching Japanese Games Are Masterpieces video of Hyne. They are also first one to convincingly prove Rinoa is Ultimecia with a lot of ingame evidence.
Loved that! Great work on all the research it must have taken
Thank you very much! If you plan on sharing that video, remember to recommend starting at the 20:24 mark if they don't have the patience to sit through the first half that's mostly "rambling about localisation nonsense" !
UPDATE (2 years later): Getting to the first legend of Hyne relies ENTIRELY ON RNG. I just so happened to save at the right moment in the series of numbers in my "RNG seed" that guaranteed ME that I'd get to see the old man and his grand daughter if I did everything shown in this video.
I involuntarily manipulated the RNG and falsely claimed that it was the only way/moment where you could see the first legend but I WAS WRONG and I'm sorry for that, it was not my intent.
However, you can't see the first legend anymore once Balamb has been occupied by then freed from Galbadia, the old man will just repeat how "glad he is that everyone is safe".
There was always something strangely captivating about Final Fantasy VIII's world, like there was something big going on, but the game wasn't telling me. Even with the popular Rinoa theory adding some emotional weight to the story, it always felt like something was missing.
Now, with this explanation the story finally feels complete. The world-building wasn't missing. It was just bizzarely well-hidden and fumbled due to localization issues.
It kinda explains the reliance on datalog entries in XIII. With such a lore-dense world, they must have wanted to avoid the confusion that VIII left people with.
Regardless, this video proves to me that Final Fantasy VIII deserves a remake, so it can have a second chance to tell its grand story that got so borked the first time around.
In my opinion, if they remake 8, there's only 2 ways to go on about without ruining everything like they're doing with 7.
Either they try to make Hyne more upfront, but not in the sense of "Dr Exposition dumping everything in an unskippable cutscene near the end".... or they simply take Hyne completely out and turn the story about some kind of "curse of the first sorceress".
I'll explain my ideas in my next video... that will be up one day.
Nah, in the english localization Ultimecia was Rinoa's future form as there's no explanation for Griever's summoning, so following just this version of the game there's no other explanation possible. Would be a different thing if they had added Ultimecia's actual dialogues but since they didn't we need to work with what we have
That's a flawed conclusion... the missing of an explanation is no confirmation for this theory.
Sadly the developers themeselves stated that rinoa is not ultimicia (a big mistake in my opinion for I as well make it my head cannon).
They surely were pretty stingy with answers... but the fact they never thought of rinoa being the one becoming ultimicia, there is no proof... and the absence of proof is no confirmation otherwise.
For griever specicly: it is said that ultimicia "scanned" squall and created griever out of his mind to turn his biggest Symbol of bravery against him.
Again... there is no proof for that inside the game.
But this shows that another conclusion in the absence of confirmation is more than possible.
It's so funny to me that you said you could miss that guy talking about Hyne in Balamb. In those kinds of games I've always running around everywhere talking to everybod So I distinctly remember him telling me that story. I didn't know it was missable
Yours is better displayed but I have a similar shelf with physical Funal Fantasy Games. My crown jewel is a FF8 copy signed by Nobuo Uematsu
Very interesting information about Hyne. Thanks, I have to give you credit for all the long gaming hours
and research you did to find out more about this Hyne.
This is awesome! I love how we can find these details years later. It is too bad they don’t always put more world building and backstory into the game literature or journals (information section of the information section lol)
Great video man! super interesting,
Amazing how you can still learn things all these years later
I'm going to replay FF8 after watching this.
Keep the videos coming.
Subbed 👍
The final boss is zell's hotdog
They were originally "bread" in japanese, some of those "melon pans" and other stuffed bread treats.
In french, they were "changed" to.... *drum rolls*... pretzels.
Don't ask me why, FF8 and 9's french localisations were some of the weirdests in the series.
Can't fight a boss that never shows up.
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@@baguettefantasy Melon pan is not a stuffed bread *wink wink*
Given how Hyne was said to have "reduced the number of humans" being able to draw a spell called Apocalypse from Ultimecia's final form gives a lot of support to your idea here. Also fantastic job this is the best Final Fantasy video I've seen in years.
Amazing job! But plz make it longer I have loads of time to sleep and I'm intrigued
I know you're joking but I actually cut some stuff out.
Amazing video, I must have played FFVIII around 20 times and I've never noticed any of this!
Don't beat yourself over it. As I said, it looks like the game's plot was changed or tinkered with a bit too late in development, leaving a lot to be ironed out. Hyne's story/legend feels like it should have been more or was more but was toned down.
One of the best examples is the time discrepancy regarding the Lunar Tear that destroyed the Centra civilisation "apparently overnight" and the survivors migrated to what would become Esthar. When you speak with one of the technicians on the Space Station, he says that the Lunar Tear fell 100 years ago, but the ingame "Information section of the Information section" states that it happened 80 years ago.
Plot twist : vascaroon was Hyne the whole time 😂. Great content, I don’t know why but Hyne and his role in ff8 has always peaked my interest
I like the theory that Hyne’s lower half is Ultima Weapon. The geology class hint given by the teacher could be referring to the Deep Sea Research Center, and the thing looks like a lower half of something junctioned a little torso on top.
Interesting theory. I think it fits well.
I have a side theory on Seifer. I've just recently begun repaying FF8 via the Steam Remaster (I hadn't played it since I was probably 16 (two and a half decades ago). I was considering how Squall and Seifer are opposite each other (introvert, dark short coat, light shirt, dark wild hair, classic revolver blade, traditional guarded stance vs. extrovert, light long coat, dark shirt, short blonde hair, modern automatic blade, fencing stance). The latter dreams of being a sorceress' knight, the former becomes one out of love and accepting responsibility... but I digress.
Squall's parents do seem to be Raine and Laguna. But what about Seifer's parents? AFAIK, they are never covered, but most of the character cards in the game are held by people who have a close connection to the character. Squall's is carried by Laguna, Zell's is carried by his mom, Quistis' by a Trepie, Rinoa's by her father, Selphie's by her friend in Trabia... Irvine seems to be an outlier. Now it'd fit the story to have Cid carry Edea's and for Edea to carry Seifer's (since he's her knight) but we don't see that. Instead, Edea carries her own, Cid carries Seifer's. Why? I think that Cid and Edea are Seifer's parents, though they may or may not be biologically related. How else has Seifer gotten by with such bad behavior and repeated failure of the SeeD Final Exam?
I wonder if part of the issue with Seifer is that he does realize who Edea is from the start. He's 'mommy's boy' and he either doesn't like or straight up hates Cid, though Cid probably cares deeply for Seifer or otherwise feels compelled to take special care of him.
Maybe Edea always favored Squall, as she knows something of the future (albeit a very small portion of that). Maybe Seifer resents that; wishing he had Edea's attention/affection the way that Squall did. I think Cid was kept in the dark as much as possible, so he may have been more empathetic to Seifer. Thus, at the TV station, Seifer lept at the chance to gain Edea's favor. Thus, he wanted to hurt Squall at the prison, and he was more than willing to destroy Garden... to kill Cid (the other person who had Edea's affection).
I always thought he had more to do than just being a hidden secret lore piece, and more to do with the reason why sorceresses went evil. I considered Hyne as being a parasitic GF…what is the drawback of junctioning a GF? You lose your memory. Why though? I always thought it was because the GF’s are draining your mind to slowly take it over, which if Hyne was forcing himself into young maidens to become sorceress’ the longer he has been junctioned into them the more he will gain control over time as their memories become nothingness altogether. I also believe Griever to be a part of this and had way more to do with the story over just being a scanned thought of Squalls mind. How would squall even know Griever was a GF unless he saw him at some point in his childhood. He is regarded as the strongest GF in his mind. But why? Because he seen him after Edea absorbed Ultimecia and became the next descendent of hyne. In other words Griever is Hyne. Hyne grieves creating the humans that created him, hence he is hidden behind the moniker of Griever.
Unfortunately, in hindsight, I realised that I was completely wrong with my theory about "G-Forces were gods defeated by Hyne".
Going back to Radiant Butterfly's "retranslation" of Ultimecia's dialogue, when she summons Griever, she states that she will now manifest/create the strongest GF based on Squall's imagination.
So the GF were more likely created by sorceresses of the past channeling Hyne's ability to create stuff like humans and/or the world depending on the legends of Hyne.
In hynesight 😅I find it actually pretty cool that they leave the deeper depths of the world hidden in such places for the real fans that will explore every inch in the game in a replay to explore. Even though Im supposed to be such a fan but never knew of the hidden dialogue.
Might I say, your compilation is incredible! Thank you so much
In such an interpretation, the role of Rinoa becomes particularly intriguing. If Hyne is the mastermind in partial or total control of sorceresses, then what is Rinoa, Hyne's host in the past, doing fighting itself? Why can Hyne not manipulate Rinoa and what about the Hyne that is inside Rinoa? It's effectively two Hynes from different timelines fighting each other. An interpretation of the ending is particularly necessary.
It's Ellone the true villain manipulating squall mind
Extremely interesting, keep up the good work!
Haha vraiment énorme ! Une bonne barre de rire et plein de choses intéressantes !
Merci pour ce bon moment :)
J'apprécie le commentaire mais c'est la version anglaise ici, alors ça parait bizarre de voir un commentaire vf ^^'
Ah y’avait une version Fr ? 😅
Ouais, "Baguette Fantasy" est la version anglaise et "Baguette Fantasy FR" est la version originale en vf. Les vidéos sont quasiment les mêmes à part des blagues que je ne peux pas toujours "localiser", forcément.
Donc si tu as déjà regardé la version anglaise, te tracasse pas, va !
Damn you translation issues!! Great video, thanks.
To truly defeat hyne, the sorceress should not be allowed to transfer powers in her death. It's obvious, the "so she could die in peace" is hyne's excuse to keep his distributed half alive. If the sorceress did not transfer the power then the portion of hyne dies with her.
Legit just explained this exact concept on another FF8 video, in an absurd way, Ultimecia is actually trying to save everyone....forced into the curse of Hyne by a previous sorceress, ultimecia is hunted and isolated by society as a result of SeeD existing specifically only to murder her. Her supreme goal is to use her magic to force a reality into existence in which only she exists...thus ending SeeD who would eventually murder her, ending the timeloop paradox, and ending a reality where she must pass on her sorceress powers. If ultimecia is successful, the sorceress powers end with her, and a reality where there is no SeeD, no witches, and no Hyne exists...
@@two_spirit_sun A reality where nothing exists, might as well have failed from the start
very interesting video friend, can you make a similar video about the possibilities that a sequel can bring to the story, and if you can make an interview session with some ff8 devs so we can have some answers and few evidence on all these?
That would be honestly a dream of mine but I'm million miles away from the reach of a channel such as "Did you know gaming" for example, so even if I often make jokes about needing confirmations from the story writer Kazuhige Nojima or the director/producer Yoshinori Kitase... well, that's not for today.
And even if someone else "borrowed" my ideas (that others might have already came up with anyway), I'm not aware of any interview of the sort.
@@baguettefantasy I know that the ultimanias have a lot of information about these topics, but I feel that there is a distance from these( maybe also from the lack of a proper english translation) from the opinions of a wider public, and often the criticism (don't know if it is fair or not) that ff8 gets from people about its disjointed plot or script, mechanics and more, maybe if we could make a thread collaboration style with people who are on the same page about the ff8 story so that some light can be shed about these topics, some of which are still debatabe and the theories, before SE devs confirm some facts.
@@gianniszafeiridis6139 there have been some interviews like this one:
web.archive.org/web/20170905173922/kotaku.com/is-squall-really-dead-final-fantasy-producer-addresses-1800007113
@@baguettefantasy "... if we ever do make a remake of Final Fantasy VIII, I might go along with that story in mind." regarding Squall being dead, lol.
I will apply 'Death of the Author' here (i.e. Devs as humans change overtime and they may or may not deny their own work and because of that, they cannot be trusted). I think I will trust my own interpretation on the game's story rather than listening to authors' new opinions/answers.
@@____REX I do agree that this is a stupid idea. But the interview is from 2017, so maybe he reconsidered it since?
Reading some of the Japanese caps you have the screen I think a lot of nuanced is missed here.
For one thing the second myth refers to Zebalga as a master of dark arts (黒聞王). So it seems there may be a darker side of humanity with the Hyne battle. Thats probably why the French went with a necromancer.
Interesting and thanks for your comment. My translator friend told me that she wasn't sure but she thought that it translated to "Zebalga of the black ears tribe" or "Zebalga the black/dark". I put it through "google translate" after I read your comment and I got "king of darkness".
Since "black ears" or "the dark" sounded weird or dumb, I dismissed it as some nickname you can often see with kings in History (the tall, the wise, the beautiful, so on and on) and didn't take it into account in my video. And "king of the dark arts/darkness" or "black king" might just be a metaphore for his or his clan's brutality since they won the war.
Even so, it has no bearing on the french localisation as to why they changed "sorceress" to "necromancer". As far I could confirm, FF7 had 2 localisations, first for the Playstation, then a relocalisation for the PC port. Both were based on the US english, same later for FF8.
I'm not sure about 9, but it was from 10 forward that the french was based directly on the japanese (even if there were some liberties taken).
I might be entirely wrong as I'm working alone and don't have the ressources of a much bigger channel like "Did you know gaming" or "Larry Bundy Jr".
Take care and have fun !
excellent work.
Amazing job! But plz make it shorter I barely have time to sleep but now I'm intrigued
Excellent video friend
Could the other half of Hyne be Lunatic Pandora? Sort of like a time bomb or diversion for the humans that defeated him.
This is an excellent video thank you for putting in this work! Subscribed!
What was that at the end?! Was it FF12 related!?
In the game, it's stated that the Lunatic Pandora was created by Esthar around a Crystal Pillar. The Ultimania I'm referencing also confirmed that the Crystal Pillar is a giant moon rock that came down 80 years ago in a particularly devastating Lunar Cry that destroyed most of the Centra region/civilization.
You can learn more here, thanks to editors of the wiki: finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Lunatic_Pandora
For the special ending of my video, you're 2 numbers off, it's from a raid in FFXIV, but mostly out of context if you never did that raid ^^'
Hyne’s lower part is Ultima Weapon, proven by youtuber ”Japanese Games are Masterpieces”
Sobre lo del rey, en otro video dan a entender que se fusiono con la coraza vacia de Hyne, siendo en realidad "Ultima weapon".
La figura es desmontable.
nice video, i thought of hyne as a hero that got rid of the monsters. i figured the other half was what became the monsters
id never have known because i don't know japanese that he's ff8's ganondorf. thanks
2:22 the rendition got my sub.
This is amazing! Lol Selphie might not be the true final boss, but she could have been. She had The End.
Very sound, I agree.
Pupu is ALWAYS watching... Honestly the whole origin story of Hyne sounds a lot like Jenova/Sephiroth maybe a body found with magical powers
The Void actually establishes the FF Multiverse and Hyne is is in FF3. Or at least a variant. Google FF3 Hein for what he looks like.
30:00 "inquiring about it for geology classwork"... What if Hyne's useless half simply turned to stone, or became fossilized? Just a thought.
Hyne always reminded me of some hidden uber bosses that were added into the Advance versions of the earlier titles. Particularly Enuo from FF5, also sporadically mentioned (and implied to be way stronger than Exdeath) wasn’t even seen until the Advance port of FF5. Kaiser Dragon from FF6 was another but at least he had a dummied out version in the original FF6. I guess another example would hilariously be Emerald/Ruby Weapon in the original FF7, as they were not included in the original Japanese Version and only added to the International versions. But nowadays they’re so infamous that nobody would know any different.
Anyway if FF8 ever gets an enhanced remaster or remake, hopefully they cover Hyne, after all, Time Travel is already such a major part of the plot. Ultimecia should have sent herself back to where Hyne was and demanded to know why he locked her (and a lot of other witches) into such an awful timeline lol. My point is, like Enou, he certainly could play a more major role for optional content imo. Not saying that this would be a good idea either, as Enou was kinda a letdown in FF5A. *Sigh* Ah well.
Unrelated, but I wish we got to see more of Esthar under Adel’s leadership. FF8 has a lot of hidden lore, as you’ve shown very well in this video. It’s almost funny how hidden some of this is….I feel like a fraud, I love the lore of the FF games but have never even heard of these Zebalga characters. >_>
Anyway great video!
Last week, I was thinking about FF5 for reasons unrelated to Enuo. But after perusing through the wiki pages, I ended up on Enuo's page.
Your comment just made me realise how Enuo and Hyne are, in my opinion, complete opposites.
Enuo is mentionned at least once in the main story, but he's ultimately irrelevant. You could erase him no problem and make Exdeath the only villain; the story wouldn't be missing any beat.
However, Hyne feels like he (it ?) should have been an integral part of the plot as Ultimecia's goals feel very underdevelopped (she's just "full of rage"). I know it's pretentious, but again, I do feel like having Hyne at least appear or being mentionned once in the main plot and revealing itself as Ultimecia switches to her final form would have worked a lot better.
Especially with the paralel between Hyne's Throne Room being literally the place of birth of FF8's humanity, and Ultimecia's "master room" being Hyne's place of ultimate demise at the hand of humans' children.
I do hope that they take that into account if they ever try to redo the plot, but I really have no hope with how FF7 Remake turned out.
Ultimecia final form is missing its legs, this makes it obvious its hyne. maybe they dropped the Hyne story to simplify the story a little because it was already hard to understand the plot, especially for the 8-16yo kids who were playing this game.
Maybe that's why I always liked Selphie, besides Edea and Ultimecia. My witch senses reacted to her
I can't lie - your impression of 'mericuns was both mildly absurd, and hilariously correct.
If honest is the real final boss then his parents were the cause, and their parents and so on.
I totally understand though, it's funny, we hear of hype from time to time but also never anything at all.
So thank you for this video.
No I just realize that ur video and another video about ultimera real name fit together
Imagine half of hyne body that was a fake actually live on and infused with one person that cause the sorceress to come to light. And imagine hyne recovering in the interworld rift. And this cause him to attacking any one that arriving there
@Dante Reiper That's an actually good take. My video was already long enough as it was, and I had to give up on 2 - 3 ideas because I didn't find any or enough "evidences" to back up my claims.
I've been busy for quite a while, but I've been working on some kind of follow up or commentary where I adress some critics and questions, as well as explaining some of those theories that I gave up on, such as the Shumis and Deep Sea Lab.
@dantereiper which video? i cant find it in @baguettefantasy videos
I'm sorry if this comes off as mean, there is no malicious intention with this. But why do you almost sound like Tristan from YuGiOh abridged?
That's my normal voice... Did you expect me to sound like Sauza in the DBZ Abridged's rendition of Revenge of Cooler 😂 ? Although I did dumb overly frenchified narration for 2 of my videos in the past: ruclips.net/video/ns5Fly9DvmQ/видео.html
The real final boss was all the friends we made along the way.
We’re not talking about One piece
you are hilarious man
They really want to hide Hyne so bad.
........ is the Swedish Chef a FF8 fan?
feels like a jenova theory
Is yoyr uncle Santa Claus??
Hyne is a legend in present time during the game's story, there is no actual evidence of a being called "Hyne" being real, it's just what the people in the world of FFVIII choose to believe similar to how people in reality have a belief in various gods.
I don't think Hyne was ever intended to be a major plot point of the game, it's just a reference to Hein in FFIII. The fact that you have to go out of your way diverting from where the game pushes you to go suggests that the legend of Hyne isn't really important.
So they plot twist of ff10
Riona is the main villain for taking Squall away from his true love, Seifer.
Squall x Seifer - the ultimate bromance
Are your from France or Quebec?
Oui
i like the contents of this video but the presentation uiuiui....
This is interesting information but get to the point, shouldn't be 50 minutes long. You are adding too much slow pointless comment.
You can skip up to 20:24 or 28:27 where I recap what I said in the first half of the video. I know that I should have made a separate video to make fun of the localisations, but what's done is done.
@@baguettefantasy Thanks for the reply, I already watched most of the video.
Finding out that Ultimecia likely took the form of Great Hyne really adds a lot of context to this great game and the character of Hyne is a great mystery I didn't know was this deep, thank you.
I know I posted a kinda negative comment but I think you'd really benefit from limiting your videos to 10-20 minutes to make them more watchable and force you to keep the best stuff.
@@megakristof3855 It's fine, it's been over 2 years, I had time to think about it.
I'm currently working on the "sequel" but the script started to look a bit too long so I'm gonna split the different parts/chapters in shorter separate videos.
I will say Rinoa is Ultamecia until my dying breath...but this adds even more complexity. I wish this game got a sequel since there was so much more left to explore.
I wish too :)
as a kiwi I appreciate your English my friend
But I'm french D:
You're not the first one to mention my weird accent. As I learned english, I probably ended up mixing many accents as well as english and american pronunciations/inflexions of words.
In the end, it likely sounds very unsettling, that's why I make sure that the subtitles are ready to go before publishing my videos ^^
@@baguettefantasy bro i mumble like an uunga buunga your doing all good enjoyed relaxing listening to random nerd stuff from high school
just recentaly got the remaster and am in love all over again
@@johnback3299 The only kiwi I heard talking in my life was Joy Kowley in one "Best of the worst" video from those hack frauds Red Letter Media guys.
well that was an annoying waste of my time.
I can’t listen to this guy.. sorry