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I dont think that's possible

I'm pretty sure you don't have enough frames. The only reason that would hit is that they aren't blocking after being hit with df 2.

@@MrYourDry it’s about full crouch df2 not normal df2. FC df2 is now better than normal df2 if you have perfect execution

@@ranges787 oh you mean just throwing out fc df2. I thought you meant df2 into fc df2. Like that you could df2 into flk fc df2 or df2 into duck cancel fc df2. Both of which would be impossible. If you just meant flk cancel fc df2 then yeah I've seen Shinblade do it

Absolutely

Ikr they need to give us back T7 S1 df2 😂

tracking can easy be a high because like only 1% of playerbase can consistently perform a side step duck in the first place and you need specific character knowledge that a character only has a good tracking high in the first place. ub2 is f17 +3 on block with crazy +14 on hit now if +f stay the same with the lnh cancel steve now has prob the best tracking high in the game this gives guaranteed sonic fang followup into heat btw IF frames remain the same but i doubt this stays like it is because steve would be super broken.

You could've always done duck 1+2 if you hit the wall after 3 12. And if you were close to the wall but not quite there you could do duck 1 to reach the wall instead of a lionheart follow

winrate does not reflect how good a character is. steve is the hardest character to play that alone drops his winrate a lot.

@@ranges787 That's somewhat true. Yes the skill required for Steve does affect his wr way more than almost the entirety of the roster, but it's immensely more apparent the lower ranks than the opposite. It still stands that Steve got almost the same wr in purple- and blue+, which indicates that his wr isn't as misleading as you suggest. I watch content from some really good Steve players, Shinblade's stream for example. I respect their opinions quite a lot, they got a lot of years under their belts as true Steve experts. It will be really fun to see what players like them make out of the patch and how it differs from my initial thoughts regarding Steve this patch.

Agreed, he is in very good spot now. You could leave him as is and it would be completely fine

That's fair. Feng does have a low from kenpo, but other then that, probably yes

the step back from steve got nerfed

I doubt that

Also now that powercrush loose to lnh1 people will want to use punch Parry , lnh1+2 is immune to parry so it will fucking launch them haha

@squared8388 You're correct, it does carry risk being high and linear. However, being a guard break, for example, if you find a way to bait a wiff. It hits? It's a win. Gets blocked? You still win and your turn continues. That is an example, but there is potential for other crazy shenanigans, in my opinion.

Idk if it's necessarily needed. Steve does delete half of the opponents health when he gets to launch. Adding above average poking and now fixed lh stance. He is in a very good spot. However, I think toning down those characters dmg output would be good.

I agree to tone down the damage, they specifically made the combos do less damage and not be like tekken 7 where you lose half your life bar from one combo. High damage combos should hit 90 to 100 at most. I think that normal launching combos should do 60 to 70. Especially cause of the wall carry and adding wall damage. Steve is fine where he's at now Especially since it was annoying people beating the guard break by jabbing. That was very annoying when I would guess right and still be punished

b1,2 is i13, but yes it's definitely a great option now

@@triqlead does lnh1+2 beat grabs and jab now? i could not test it yet but if that’s true then lnh is in a unique 50/50 spot. because then the only thing you can do to prevent the 50/50 is using pc. but at the same time that leads you into eating a 1. so it’s a double 50/50 then haha and also a 50/50 with two launches and one that breaks you lnh could be super good if thats true

Pretty much. LH 1+2 trades with jab when +8, which is crazy when its a launcher. On hit into lh being +8, it is almost a true mix-up between 2 and 1+2. The opponent can beat this with pc, but what if steve throws lh 1? On block +3, the opponent can option select both by sidestepping to the right. But being homing, that is were lh 1 comes in again. The lh stance is absurdly strong because lh 1+2 is essentialy a win button. So yeah, simply put, it's a two step mix-up situation in steve's favor :D

Looks the same to me

in lionheart you are glued to the opponents face anyway

Numan CH posted a clip on twitter showing the difference. Shadow nerf.

​@@AirKhan11 I have seen it, but maybe they've changed Dragunovs FC df1 hitbox???

​@@KrisDee1981no its outfox

How

In a +8 situation, a normal hit guard break launcher that trades with jab mixed with a normal hit mid launcher, neither can be sidestepped. Yeah it's pretty good :)

Yes, I think this aswell

The lack of flash was interesting.

Agreed 10/10

IMO it should have been Steve's default costume. It's really well-designed.

It's pretty sick! 21 pkb df1121 into d1+2 is hella dmg aswell

It's unfortunate because it was a nice extra option to have, oh well

In this patch the main focus was to get lionheart to work as intended. There is another patch in June so will see if they tackle that next

I appreciate it, gotta be careful with buffing steve. One buff too many could make him pretty busted. This patch is definitely a great starting point though.

Steve did get buffs which is great! lh~pkb cancel was just one of the things they removed that I thougt was a bit of a bummer

True, that goes for the game dev industry in general. At the same time patching is a great thing when done correctly.

Everyone saying this acts like back in the day it didn't just mean that when you found shitty bugs they were there forever and balance never changed so broken characters were always broken, or that you had to buy another version of the game when they updated it, there's a reason there are like fifteen versions of old SF games.

@@jameji_phd thats what beta testing is for to check and fix balance of game.

Spam rage art on wake up lol

Not necessarily

Agree, there are no strengths to LH forced transitions, it's objectively worse than we had before. Having no control over whether you want to enter the stance or not sucks, you're forced into this rps situation, which aligns with t8 design direction

That's fair. T7 shiro was cool, but it was more on the side of optimizing dmg, rather then another mindgame layer which the lh~pkb cancel had the potential of having.

@@triqleadrespectfully, not sure I agree on the Shiro. It was an optimisation yes but it empowered df2 in that game and deterred their ducking/high crush attempts….which is sorely missed in this game

@MTS_Demon I appreciate it, I think df2 in T8 still utilizes that function. Visually it's not as impressive or the fact that it doesn't reward a launch anymore is of course a huge L. But the 44 dmg combined into +3, or if you're very on point +11 is still really good.

​@@triqlead It's still not scary enough. DF2 exists to complement B1. It needs to launch because you get to carry them to the wall and do even more damage and enforce your 50/50. Without this, Steve will never be Steve.

@kushan_tk I appreciate it, but I very much disagree. Df2 doesn't need to launch. His entire toolkit is designed around the threat of b1. It is up to the steve player to pick and choose the correct course of action to counter the opponent tendencies. In T7 it was simpler, because you technically only had to use 3 moves that covered the entire neutral. In T8 this is not the case. This makes the steve player utilize more of his vast variety of moves. This makes him more of a specialist character. Is it exhausting? Absolutely! Is it more satisfying? Most definitely!

Thanks man, I appreciate it

Even if Steve could use his mix up without getting pc,d it's worse now since you can't mix the guard break with pkb df2 now it's back to the ability to get a shitty mix

If there so focused on making him a mix up character with lion heart he shouldn't have huge weaknesses since his counter hit tools aren't good enough to warrant his weaknesses

He also has to take a risk to even get the mix since he has to hit with you with iether a unsafe mid or a high then he has the ability to get a shitty mix up he's still trash

But lionheart doesn't lose to powercrush anymore, that was the entire point of the 1 frame buff. Now those situations are +8 instead of +7, so LNH 1 makes a 6 frame gap instead of a 7 frame gap, which beats powercrush.

@@ividboy7616 no. you get+8 now and 1+2 is 18f so for a true 50/50 the window is 10f. most pc start getting armor at f7 so there is still a 3 frame window to do the pc to beat the 1+2 so there is no true 50/50

I'm not exactly sure why the afk happened, but it do be like that sometimes

Hold forward after the shoulder to go into pkb

@@triqlead that’s crazy, I did not know this. About to add this to my Steve. Learning a lot from how you play!

Thanks man, I appreciate it!

Thanks, I appreciate it 🥊

Great to hear! I appreciate it

wasn't my intention, sorry about that

It's not over until the announcer says KO

Do tell

@@triqlead could you play Tekken 5 Story Battle (without replays and characters' poses). Could you play Tekken 1 (with 2 rounds and without skipping replays and characters' win poses no matter what)

I appreciate the request. I can potentialy do T5 in a way I did these T4 videos. Unfortunately i don't have a copy of T1, I prefer recording the actual thing rather then use emulation.

@@triqlead could you someday try to get Tekken 1 and play it ?

No promises, if I happen to get my hands on one and I feel like it's something I'd like to record, then don't see why not

I appreciate it! Whether the algorithm picks up my videos or not, it doesn't bother me. I enjoy posting every now and then whenever inspiration hits. But for people who happen to see and enjoy my videos, it's very cool so thank you :D

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Hey man, I appreciate it!

Same, no other character plays like him. It's so cool!