Stupid School Security and Discipline Policies | Jennie Young | TEDxUWGreenBay
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- Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2018
- This talk outlines a method of radically re-imagining the American high school. It shows how high-security, prison-like schools are actually creating more danger than they're preventing. The speaker suggests an unusual conceptual approach to fix this and argues that we need to stop tweaking an old system and instead work to create entirely new high school environments. Jennie Young is an Assistant Professor of English and the Director of the first-year writing program at the UW-Green Bay. She has a Ph.D. in English from Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio. Her research interests include rhetorical theory and the rhetoric of education, specifically as it applies to high school students. She is also interested in creative nonfiction and its place in English composition programs and has published articles in both academic and creative journals. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
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As someone who works in a public school that has been taking back the restrictions, I have to say these ideas are incredibly naive and have been a complete disaster when implemented. Most of the kids have issues at home. We just don't know what these kids are going through at home and these people are so out of touch from that world, there is no way they can even understand it. But it makes them feel good and "revolutionary," meanwhile everyone else suffers because there is absolute chaos in the schools thanks to policies coming down based on these bad ideas. Kids need structure and real consequences for their actions.
Nothing like a non-teacher to tell teachers what to do
We have gardens and chickens. We have mentors. We do meditation and yoga. We have exciting vocational programs. I used to be like this kind, hopeful and determined woman. I thought I knew what would change the violence, the apathy, the negativity in our secondary school. But I am 20 years in, and I am painfully aware that NOTHING we do will change what students do unless their lives outside of school change.
We are kidding ourselves if we are so arrogant as to think that WE have more influence on our students than their families and their home environments do.
She is right that somethings need to change - but schools cannot do it alone - and we should not be expected to do it alone. Because we ARE expected to do this impossible task alone, teachers are being mentally, and even physically, abused in their places of work, teachers are taking more sick time than ever before due to excessive stress, and the teaching profession has the highest turnover rate than almost every other profession - 50% of teachers leave the profession within the first 5 years of teaching. Something needs to change. But the teachers have done their part, and then some. Systemic change needs to come, or there will no longer be enough teachers willing to do what they are asking - for us to be super human-magician-educator-psychologist-security guard-parents.
Well, perhaps some would be willing to try to do this - if they were PAID for doing all of these professions each day....
Very well said. It's arrogance or delusion on behalf of the politicians & administrators who think the behavioral & achievement problems at these schools can be fixed simply by providing more funding or forcing teachers to use a new pedagogical system. We already spend more per student than almost EVERY country on earth and the outcomes never change because the root of the problem is beyond government intervention. My wife used to be a teacher, and I would visit her classroom often and listen to her stories from the classroom. Without fail, the kids that struggled in school and misbehaved almost always had a dysfunctional home life. The kids who came from more healthy/functional families, regardless of their wealth, performed better at school. It really is that simple, yet we as a society continue to have these pointless debates about education and dump more and more money into initiatives that are ineffectual if the community is dysfunctional.
That worked for one child. That is too simplistic. For another it is sports, another it is art. No two kids are alike. But throughout, we have students killing each other, teachers, parents and members of society. Pretending like it does not exist is also irresponsible.
Exactly. Her argument is very one-sided. She only tells the situation from the viewpoint of the schoolchildren's feelings. She does not account for the well-being of the teacher. She does not account for the level or order or chaos in the cultural environment. Does she ever ask,
-"Do thefts of teacher's property increase or decrease as a result of this policy?"
-"Does vandalism increase or decrease as a result of this policy?"
-"Do incidents of cussing off teachers increase or decrease as a result of this policy?
-"Do classroom disruptions increase or decrease as a result of this policy"
Her analysis is very one-sided.
Someone who isn’t in the classroom telling everyone what to do, what a shocker
'A little learning is a dangerous thing.' Anon. Nobody told me that when I was at school. I discovered that later, when I was in great danger.
Partly agree, as long as we cannot stop such violence we should protect students as much as we can.
I haven’t been in a public school in several years and I graduated HS in 1979 so I have no idea what it’s like. I only know that even back then it felt somewhat like a prison. Not the building but the idea that I had to be there. It was a very small town and I knew almost everyone so it never felt threatening or dangerous. I do believe it would have felt weird to have guards and other heightened security and I’m glad I wasn’t in that environment.
I am going in to high school and i feel like i need to carry pepper spray because im always harassed for the way i dress and honestly jail seems more appealing than school does
Does anyone know what the name of her book is? I can’t find it on google.
This is so good!
- it begins at home.
Schools are prisons. They could be gardens if we re-imagined them!
The worst school shootings in US history did not happen in the most secure schools. That is both an asinine and irresponsible statement, the gunmen were able to walk onto school property and some into the school buildings to continue to do what they did unopposed despite having cameras on some of these properties the very real problem with those cameras as much of the time they are not being monitored. I've been in security for nearly 17 years and all that time much of the schools that do have cameras since the days of Columbine those cameras are not being actively monitored
Outstanding presentation
SOCIETY IS THE ISSUE. 23 years of teaching has demonstrated this and that's in Australia. Education has been complicated to the point of being non functional.
This is why the public schools are out of control. We don’t have to make schools like prisons if we understand that there are more students in each class that deserve our protection and have a right to be allowed to learn in an environment free from chaos. We just need to remove the few who are unwilling or unable to allow for that positive environment. The reason we built prisons in the first place was to remove those who endanger the law abiding citizens. If school is a garden, if you let the weeds run rampant,the garden will be destroyed! Every good gardener knows organization, protection from destructive insects and rodents, and constant tending of productive plants reaps the best results.
Fantasy Land HS
This is truly insightful and perceptive. I agree with all that you have stated. 👏🏾👏🏾
Today, I am going into my daughter's middle school. To explain this very logic. I appreciate your explanation of how to explain my situation. I have spent my whole life fighting with the school district.
So the speaker knew much better why did she left teaching High School? Bring back the policy of kicking them out of school if they cause too much trouble. You'll see, parents will begin to take responsibility in disciplining their kids.
What the teachers need to do is go on strike worldwide for a better environment and more pay that way parents will have a wake up call and homeschool their own kids or go for another teaching agency with a more strict policy. And if none of this works then you better hope that these children will eventually pass a GED for the future. Kids get away with violence so easily these days because of their addictions and excuses for disabilities that now no school is allowed to have discipline in any form.
I grew up with being diagnosed with a psychological disability but It never affected my behavior to get along with my teachers and classmates.
I swear mental illness is such an easy way to get away with murder and theft these days it’s crazy.
Well done, Jennie.
You walk a good path.
Rhetoric as presented in Pirsig's ZMM...real teaching through the original Western teachers.
"Woodstock", Joni Mitchell, 1970
I came upon a child of God
He was walking along the road
And I asked him, where are you going
And this he told me
I'm going on down to Yasgur's farm
I'm going to join in a rock 'n' roll band
I'm going to camp out on the land
I'm going to try an' get my soul free
We are stardust
We are golden
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
Then can I walk beside you
I have come here to lose the smog
And I feel to be a cog in something turning
Well maybe it is just the time of year
Or maybe it's the time of man
I don't know who l am
But you know life is for learning
We are stardust
We are golden
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
By the time we got to Woodstock
We were half a million strong
And everywhere there was song and celebration
And I dreamed I saw the bombers
Riding shotgun in the sky
And they were turning into butterflies
Above our nation
We are stardust
Billion year old carbon
We are golden
Caught in the devil's bargain
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
goneatlast You should kickback, smoke another joint listen to some Crosby, Stills, and Nash and be cool.
Well done.
What about weeds?
Unfortunately another “tourist-teacher” is given the stage to promote unproven strategies for classroom management, bash teachers who stay (and truly make a difference in children’s lives, and worse yet, push their theoretic academic agenda - ultimately leading to new teachers adopting this same blurred view of education.
“Tourist-teacher” (Hollywood’s favorite model for the masses): teachers who were in the classroom for no more than 3 years and either left, were chased out by their own students, or who were fired for being either ineffective/incompetent.
I heard the speaker 'bash' a policy that valued dress code over student success. She attacked a system increasingly focussed on security and creating a prison-like environment. What are you defending? In what way do you feel the speaker attacked you? And what is the 'clear' view of education, in your opinion?
absolutely wonderful talk
I like Jennie Young; she's awesome. The education system would be in top-notch shape if more high school and grammar school teachers were like her.
English is a bad language when it comes to an argument. Once an argument started there's no way to pull out. Think about a scenario about your partner not doing the dishes on their "dish day". Once you say "why didn't you do the dishes?" the whole thing will end up in domestic violence. How come a rhetoric expert fails to realize the hole in communication? The reimage is a good idea but should come with more real solutions to conflict.
too winey for me.
Wow nice message Yes do agree with some of her words !Just wondering if she has kids that go to school?will I have six & 4 are still in school & one toddler at home! Will some go to HIGH school & they practice safety I wish they had metal detectors & Yes I mentioned it to principal & main office for the schools ?The answer I got was no funds basically 🙁& my other child she goes to cps still but people that visit have to check in with the security 👍so that good Thumb up!What I’am trying say people it’s not about making our kids feel like they are in prison it’s about protecting our love 💕 ones life’s Kids, teachers,etc THIS NOT A PERFECT WORLD WE LIVE IN BUT HEY IF WE KEEP SAFETY FIRST ON TOP FOR CHILDREN LIFES WE COULD BE BUILDING GARDENS WITH OUR LOVE ONES BUT IF WE IGNORE THE VIOLENCE IT CAN CONTINUE !!!Yes IT MAY FAIL BUT IT MAY NOT & LEAST WE TRYED & NOT HAVE GUILTY THAT WE DID NOT TRY TO HAVE ALL THIS PROTECTIONS
My son was in high school when I wrote the book (public high school).
Metal detectors in schools? Are you trying to make schools a prison? Do you know how many times they would detect something? Students have phones, they are mostly metal, they also have keys, they are metal, some school supplies can be metal.
Seriously, schools have more security than actual prisons at this point.
@@renatodominkus8243 Depends on what school you go to, all I know is public schools barely have that and now we have a lot of school shootings. Heck there was one incident where in elementary school a kid brought a gun to school and shot their own teacher.
ppl like her are worth saving and make school worth saving
Students need to follow the student code of conduct and not violate any of the rules.
Restating the problem as though it's the solution is not the solution. Does it not also depend on the rules, the purpose of the rules, the methods of enforcement (law-and-order, not teaching, terminology) and so on? As Jennie points out, some of those rules represent a disrespect for those expected to follow them.
This argument is very one-sided. She only tells the situation from the viewpoint of the schoolchildren's feelings. She does not account for the well-being of the teacher. She does not account for the level or order or chaos in the cultural environment. Does she ever ask,
-"Do thefts of teacher's property increase or decrease as a result of this policy?"
-"Does vandalism increase or decrease as a result of this policy?"
-"Do incidents of cussing off teachers increase or decrease as a result of this policy?
-"Do classroom disruptions increase or decrease as a result of this policy"
Her analysis is very one-sided.
Great talk but I think that you might be a hippy😐
Couldn't disagree more...
Just wondering why you would disagree. I would suggest you watch this again, thank you.
@@davidtietje7193 Are you an educator? I am and have been for 20 years. I see what she is saying - and I agree that these changes help, but they are certainly not a panacea for what ails public schools. We have made some of the changes she suggests - but our attendance is woefully low, cutting class is woefully high and violent behavior is increasing by the year. This is not something gardens and meditation rooms will fix without there being a change in many of the troubled students' home lives.
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