The REAL Reason LeBron Will Never Be Michael Jordan
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- The REAL Reason LeBron James Will Never Be Michael Jordan according to Gilbert Arenas as Gil & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Stephon Marbury's comments surrounding the two GOATs Of Basketball and shockingly agree with his idea that LeBron can never pass Jordan. They break down why early generations will never crown LeBron the GOAT thanks MJ's aura and success with Jordan & Nike that made him an international icon.
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None of you guys respectfully are old enough to remember the MJ hate before they started winning chips. Winning and repeatedly winning cures everything
Don’t need to be games are online. 90s weak af
@felixalfaro3119 🙄 now the excuse is the 90's was weak 🥱😴✌️
@@felixalfaro3119LeBron James will be remembered as the weakest superstar EVER 6 finals lost 😂
@@choyblack528by losers like you.
Exactly, not to mention the media running with the rumor that Jordan got his dad killed. THey were acting like Mike was done after the 95 loss to Orlando.
None of them know about Tragic Magic? Magic was getting booed in LA.
The Celtics might have been the 2nd most hated team behind the Bad Boys.
I swear people want to rewrite narratives to make it seem like its been so unfair to LeBron and he's the only one who gets hate or pressure. GTFOH
And he's talking about game winners-they have iconic game winners in THE FINALS. LeBron was on the floor watching his teammates hit the biggest Finals game winners/clutch shots.
Damn that 50 piece Lebron gave to Rashad really hurt him😢
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When?
😂😂
Hurt that man to his soul
Facts lmao
Lebron is Lebron, Jordan is Jordan. At the end of the day, they're both billionaires.
FACTS!!!!
Nope! You're obviously of a younger generation and have not experienced or know about Jordan bruh!
Thank you for saying this..I’m so tired of this debate
@@strauqq1 nope? what about the original comment is false?
The day Nike drops Lebron, he will lose his billionaire status. Kinda what happened with Kanye West and Adidas. Now Jordan is a real billionaire
Jordan was getting criticized by the media every season before he won his first championship. Because of the type of players Bird and Magic was. The media was saying Jordan couldn't win a championship while winning the scoring title. That drove Jordan to prove them wrong. After Jordan started to win championships the media shut up because the media never owns up to their mistakes. They just started kissing his a$$.
Even after his second, they said he was behind Magic and Bird.
Right... I remember after jordan won his first isiah Thomas saying he hasn't proved anything until he wins two
Oh and Jordan wasn’t considered one of the best players, he literally was the best player period.
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Was is the key word in this sentence
@derrikoates2318 I'm a Bad Boy Pistons fan but seen all the players from Dr J to Jordan to Lebron to Wemby.... and Jordan is hands down the best player I've ever seen 💯... and I'm a Player, coach, train shooting mechanics, etc... Jordan is better than everybody. Not even a real debate
@derrikoates2318 Jordan best player I've ever seen 💯 and I seen Dr J through Wembanyama
mccants: "are you gonna cry about it?!" as he's crying bout it lmao
@@RafaelBondoc 💀 🍑
McCants cries everytime Kobe name comes up
Mccannot is one of those dudes we all knew who would say a “Hot Take” to make himself seem different or smart. 😂
@@NoRelationRuckus you MCcannot say that 🤣
Magic couldn’t have clowned Jordan for losing in the finals because he never lost a finals. 😂
Weak era. I remember Rodman at the conclusion of the Seattle championship admitting as much.
@@troyjohnson9123 Versus Bron's 2 bubble rings?
MJ never lost a finals, and never even saw a game 7 in those finals. Even if you want to call the era weak, you have to remember that MJ was always there to take them over the top, even in the flu game. Bron never would have been able to do what MJ did in that flu game, but I'd bet that MJ could do whatever Lebron did in whichever finals performance you want to name. MJ just wanted it more. He stuck with the Bulls, despite the losses, through the first 3-peat, and went back to them for the 2nd 3-peat.
Lebron had to bail on the heat to win his first chip, taking the easy way out. So even if you claim that this era is better, the fact that he took the easy way out with his super teams negates that, and don't even get me started on the rules differences. MJ getting put on the floor every time he drove to the basket in his early years, or getting effectively punched in the stomach every time he drove. Did he cry, stay down, or whine to the refs? No, he got up after every hard foul and played his game. Compare that to Lebron flopping, milking every medium hard foul for all it was worth, etc.
People think MJ career started in 90s. He struggled getting to the finals.
Nope @@troyjohnson9123
Gil is right about just hearing MJ's name back in the day. I graduated HS in 1990, got Sports Illustrated delivered weekly to my mailbox throughout the 80s and 90s. Even reading "Michael Jordan" in print within the SI articles boosted your mood. For hoop heads, the closest thing is probably the psychological phenomenon that the Beatles or Elvis had on teenage girls.
I actuality saw MJ play in a preseason game against the Wizards for my 18th birthday in 1989. Even that environment was electric. We were right behind the Bulls bench. Other than some pretty lady who kept trying to get Scottie Pippen's attention, all eyes were on Jordan. If he turned and smiled toward your section hundreds of people lit up. You could feel the energy in the air shift every time he touched the ball.
But he was wrong about Journalist gettting fired if the criticized MJ! I don't remember Sam Smith getting fired from the Chicago Tribune after he wrote the Jordan Rules
@@sonnywoods6846 Yeah, you're right. Journalists who critiqued MJ for gambling during the '93 playoffs against the Knicks were also not fired. In general, I do think MJ held sway over the media. They swooned over him in the mid- to late-80s and early 90s. To build off of Gil's point, it's partly the media landscape has changed, but it's mostly that Jordan was photogenic, had a winning smile, could speak effortlessly and engagingly in interviews and commercials, and he was visually majestic on the basketball court. He had God-given gifts that added up to a marketing dream right when Bird and Magic were on the tail end of their careers. It was a perfect storm.
So, as far as the media goes: It was like the Babe Ruth phenomenon. The media wrote glorious stories touting the heroics of the supernatural athlete to sell more papers, and all the athlete had to do was keep performing godlike feats in their sport. Everybody wins. Jordan sold newspapers and magazines, so journalists were keen on putting him on their cover. To your point: MJ soured on SI when they wrote that one "Bag It, Michael!" piece about his struggles in baseball and would not speak to them for years, so there is some basis to Gil's assertion, but he was exaggerating.
Man !!! So Awesome Memories In The 80's & 90's
You right bro!!!! If you grew up late 80’s and 90’s it was electrifying to see him play. He created a blueprint they are all following. Kobe without a Jordan Blueprint is just another good basketball player… He copied every move 😂 WTF.
And that’s in 89
McCant was a true Kobe fan he would know that his wife stopped the production of his shoes
Um naw Kobe didn’t resign with Nike and was going to start his own mamba brand and before its launch he died then Vanessa resigned with Nike after his death so now they’ve been releasing Kobe’s the last 2/3 years
I was thinking the same thing
@@Dipset415Facts💯
@@Dipset415Makes me wonder and before yall call me a conspiracy theorist it could be true that Nike was really upset and you know what…
@@Dipset415Just imagine how much money they would’ve been losing since Kobe decided not to resign.
Rashad said yall era got adhd, thats why ya can’t focus 😂😂😭 shit had me rollin’ 🤣
It’s the eye test Mike looked like the best cause whenever the moment called for it he delivered
True and if he didn't he went into the lab and worked harder to he prepared for the next season with no excuses
Facts 100
Naw, he looked the best because there was no one equal to his prowess offensively or defensively. The 80s we had KAJ, Bird, Magic....the 2000s we has Shaq, Kobe, Duncan....the 2010s we had Bron, KD, Steph...who did the 90s have outside of MJ in the 90s? There wasn't a SG 6'6 and above that was gifted as Mike in the 90's....Clyde Drexler was his "nemesis" and they only played each other twice a year
You asked who played in the 90's except for Jordan.
Charles Barkley(6''6 260lbs) early 1990's 28ppg 10rebs
Bernard King(6'7-220lbs) early 1990's 28ppg
Dominique Wilkins (6'8-230lbs) 28ppg early 90's
Shaq(7'1-290lbs) 30ppg 11rebs early 90's
OLAJUWON(6'11-255lbs) late 90's 28ppg 11rebs
David Robinson (7'1-249lbs) 30ppg 11rebs 93/94
Daughtery(7'1-275lbs ) 22ppg 11rebs 90-93
Alonzo Mourning(6'10-261lbs)23ppg 10rebs 95/96
Karl Malone(6'9 250lbs) 30ppg 11rebs early 90's
Larry Bird(averaged 24ppg 10rebs his entire career(6'9 -220lbs)
Magic Johnson (6'9 -220lbs)
early 90's 21ppg 12assists
Ewing(7'0 -255lbs)
25ppg 11rebs 93/94
Clyde Drexler 6'7-222lbs)
25ppg 7rebs 7assists 91/92
Anyone of those players would have dominated this era, without the hand checking rules.
Not so much Rob if your son or mine played with MJ or Kobe they would never get a shot because they don't pass
comparing shoes, movies and everything except the GAME of the sport is INSANE
My brother is 21. Him and his friends was arguing why Lebron is better than MJ. Then I walked in, and they asked me “why people rate MJ over Lebron”. I said “Lebron is great. But I feel bad for ya because ya never got to see MJ play. Think about the best game 7s you seen or the superbowl. Every time Jordan played, even if it was vs the worst team in the league it felt like that. And once you got to the playoffs, multiply that feeling by 10 again. So, it’s not only the stats, but what you saw him do that nobody else could and how you felt. And the fear he put in the best players of his era”
Then i took a swig of my whiskey and walked away. 😂
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The key words are what the other players couldn’t now everybody can do that stuff smh
You hit it when you said feeling… Mike did nothing new, but we felt it was new…
Pathetic. The competition was much worse back then, that's one thing. Another thing is, you're not about basketball at all. You're about dominating others. 🙄🙄🙄
Mj is 147-170 without Scottie pippen and 1-9 in the playoffs without Scottie. He’s not better than Lebron in any universe it’s all a bunch of mccants who say that dumb shit.
3:33 The look on Brandon Jennings’ face, he’ll never understand
Bro I was finna just say da same shit til I seen yo comment 🤣🤣💯 he just don't understand fr 💯
Dude aint feelin MJ the GOAT 😂
McCants never accepts opinions when people say Kobbie isn’t the goat but when it’s hate on LeBron it just an opinion.
But bron don't get hate
We Kobe fans don’t ask for the GOAT title … we ask how for Kobe rings mattered but Bron is over him and Duncan? How ….
@@Me3ks89good point.
@@Me3ks89you can’t ask for the GOAT title if you’re not even the best ever at your position so no shit lol
Kobbie
Jordan was the ultimate symbol of success because he didn't argue against the naysayers, he just took the criticism and then proved them wrong. Every. Single. Time. The media first criticized him for being a ball hog while comparing him to Magic, he played PG for a stretch and notched triple doubles. Media then said all he could do was score and not play defense, he won DPOY and got 200 steals and 100 blocks for 2 seasons. Media then said Jordan couldn't win rings, and he won one. They said MJ couldn't shoot 3s and he shot 6 in against Portland in the NBA finals in the first half. Media still said Magic and Bird were better, so he got a 3-peat cause neither of Magic or Bird could do it. When he returned from retirement, media said he was too old. And he came back with the best record ever in the NBA and another 3-peat.
At every single turn, MJ proved the media wrong. It is nuts to be able to grind at a perceived weakness and make it a strength and then to do it multiple times? That's insanity. It's not just what he did, but how he did it that made Jordan different. Lebron is a special athlete and deserves all the respect. It is unfair the amount of hate he gets for what? Being in the conversation for the greatest of all time?
Too many things out of a person’s control broke right for Michael Jordan. I mean he went from winning it all as a freshman in college to going undefeated against NBA All-Stars in the Olympic trials to what we all know he did in the NBA. And the cultural impact created by the shoes?!?! Someone would need divine intervention to equal or top that.
Exactly. I think of Jordan's Career as a Career where everything went perfectly. Superstars didn't leave, Perfect Ownership, Great GM, Fantastic Front office, One of the Greatest Coaches of all time. And LeBron's career is if you just brute forced all of it, no matter what team, what coach, what situation, Bron will find some way
Bro he lost his first like 8 years before winning a title.. he wasnt winning shit at first.. u just talkin
@@killacaine9349 and? he was still the best player then, lmao but the fact that his career was 15 seasons and he didnt win anything for 8 and lebron is still playing catchup is insane
@@killacaine9349 that’s such a garbage argument. I won’t even retort that trash you just typed. Yo ass just wanna fight.
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@killacaine9349 This is a dumbass take right here. How old was MJ when he won his first championship? Lebron made a finals with people I bet you can't even name at the age of 22. If MJ was greater than Lebron how come Lebron was in the league and lived up to the standards at 18? Lebron came straight from high-school and averaged 20 ppg. High school bro he didn't spend time in college. He went from playing with kids to grown ass men and was still able to have thay average. He doesn't have to be your goat but put some respect on that mother fuckers name. Quit acting like MJ is 1000x's better. Shit is ridiculous.
i skipped school to get the original Space Jam 11s. Left right around 10am😂
That’s a great memory
Exactly.. only Jordan’s and Maxs gave me this feeling
Yup
@@RighteousGemz nostalgia 😀
South Beach LeBron was a fun time to be a basketball fan.
I believe LeBron gets “hate” because he’s being compared to that same guy that made everyone “smile” and had everyone amazed when he played (Jordan). Jordan doesn’t really even have haters fr, at least not as much as LeBron.
The only Jordan haters are the Lebron fanboys
Jordan was 1st black player to set the tone. So black ppl were in awe. We don’t have that same awe because it’s being done on multiple levels. MJ is more famous but Lebron is more talented.
wrong ma boi, it is not "only" he is being compared of to MJ.. He "TRYING" until TODAY (maybe until he DIE) to C.O.P.Y MJ from NUMBER, MOVIES, SHOTS (which he badly did 😂) and everything. Even saying that he is chasing the ghost from chicago (that would never happen 😂) All of Bronsexual keep on changing narrative that "they are done with 90's", "mj playing with plumbers", to questioning MJ achievements and some stuff to discredit MJ. TBH, ALL Bronsexuals including his FGOAT James FOR M.E. think that they are the one that cannot leave MJ to their F mouth 😂😂😂 it kills and eat them to their CORE. Barkley is right, it is better for him to RETIRE N.O.W to avoid MORE disaster on his FRAUD LEGACY 😂😂😂
@@Thereal_queenjones Wrong!
So If I had a 6 inch 🍆 and could drive you crazy compared to having a 11 inch 🍆 that you can’t handle.
Then Who has the talent vs. who just has size and ability?
Nah. It's the super teams. Taking the easy way out. Flopping at an incredulous rate. Controlling the media in many ways. Blaming his team mates when he loses and taking all the credit when they win. Choking in big moments.
LeBron started at 18 and still couldn't get 6 rings. Speaks how tough that is to do.
Or how tough the competition is
Michael Jordan didn’t play in the finals against one dynasty, he ducked the Rockets, look what the warriors built just to beat Lebron because he went to the finals for nearly 10 years in a row. There’s levels
@@joshuasanchez1313ducked the rockets 😂😂😂 you kids are hilarious
@@joshuasanchez1313nah, Jordan allowed them to get 2x while he was out. He basically told them hold my beer until I get back 🍺💯
@@omaidolor8929they don’t understand that
In the south, Js dropped at noon on Friday. Came back to school with them on after lunch.
😂😂😂😂
Had to wear em back to school! Facts!
We use to grab them in am and wear em that morning! #louisiana
In the south 😂😂😂
No you didnt, you would have too skip school for them hoes, you couldnt get em during a lunch break but i get your point .
The NBA made sure to keep Jordan on a pedestal! He brought the NBA Billions in revenue!
Bron too. NBA immmediately killed story about Brons PED scandal, allegedly. Lmao
Ummm it’s a business, why wouldn’t they promote the face of the league??? What an idiot.
Michael Jordan's style of play put him on a pedestal and then the NBA capitalized 👍
@@choyblack528 Even now, nobody can do MJ moves. And the NBA supposedly has the most skilled and talented players now and yet MJ moves still more adavanced.
Brandon Jennings is fighting against everything they are talking about when it comes to Lebron. They are not putting Lebron down, they are just talking about MJ impact, and how the average fan felt about him.
BJ is not very educated nor bright even in the sport he played in but most importantly he’s not a champion either!
Jordan never cried for respect, he took it!!!
That’s a absolute lie he definitely cried for his respect
Cried all the way to David stern😂😂😂
Rashad the man averaged 40 against you and is 6-1….that just sounds like hate coming from you lol. Coming from Trevor Ariza…cool , KD or Kawhi I could accept it. But coming from the man that Lebron had his greatest games against your team??? Kobe didn’t average 40 against yall lol
Ray Allen said it lol. Wade said it.. fuck u on? lol
What Kobe got career highs in basically every team in the league ? Like what tf are u talking about. This a Jordan Bron debate don’t smut Kobe in Brons defense thoe. Kobe never team hopped and joined a team with another superstar. So yea don’t bring up Kobe in a Bron Jordan debate cus if u wanna go there out of the 3 life on the line Kobe will seal the deal to hit the shot weather it’s a layup and1 middy 3pt shot or a 4point play so stop the Kobe slander
@@HimmyDaVinciBron Bust Kobe Ass(Pause) Cleveland...16-6😤
@@HimmyDaVinci Facts Kobe was that ngga but to say Kobe and Lebron ain’t in the same conversation is blasphemous
@@HimmyDaVinciI don’t think it was slander. Kobe actually has the most missed shots so the rest of your statement is your choice/opinion, not fact.
Josiah looking like Apollo Creed retired Boxing Shorts 🤣🤣
There was a whole book called “Jordan Rules” which slandered Jordan…
Why is Brandon Jenning on this show.. he never has a decent argument to any subject 😂
His just smart enough not to argue about stupid things
Never! Lol…even when he has the right take his argument be so bad it sound like he wrong lol
He doesn’t say shit with his chest, he just pussyfoots around every subject and it’s annoying cause he coulda countered a lot of the shit they said.
On my soul..nigga seem high asf
He’s a bum
Bottom line is clutch moments determine outcomes. MJ was greater at that.
Wouldn't say great. His most iconic plays were offensive fouls. They were also plays that he used outside the clutch. Being favored by refs outside the clutch and in the clutch isn't that great.
Also maybe do some reseach.....statistically lebron most clutch player ever homie. You sound dumb
@@penkima4923 "Both/and" MJ was clutch AND the referees gave him breaks unlike any other before or since. I hated that. But only Larry Bird was a better clutch game-on-the-line shooter imo tho. MJ hit his game winners and went hype..Bird hit his and it was just another day at the office.
@@penkima4923 wow the refs favour the superstar; have you watched the NBA at all in the last 10 years my nga? You act like LBJ hasn't got the same favouritism. Jordan was clutch, arguably one of the most to do it. The reason ppl can't take you Lebron dickriders serious is because in lieu of DEFENDING your guy, you attack the other guy (weak era, not clutch, etc). The bias is just unreal when he is the gold standard
@vincentbai2163 you guys act like Bron has no cluth moments and he has more game winners than kobe and mj both.
I think it's time for people to just take MJ out the equation in these comparison and put him to the side because MJ is literally the standard people use in all these comparisons on who is the greatest. Just put MJ on the side and worry about everyone else. Lebron can score 50K and still won't receive the same reverence people have for MJ. You have to have seen Michael Jordan in real time as a player to fully understand. Michael Jordan, before the internet, was more famous than Lebron James is now.
What Michael Jordan didin basketball is what Michael Jackson did in music. Their level of excellence and achievement set the bar high in their respective fields and both men transcended their fields and became part of American culture in a way Lebron James will never be. Michael Jordan set the standard so high people bumped the great Kareem Abdul-Jabbar out the way.
2011 is why alot of people don't like LBJ ,or how he team jumps, or how He blames his team , Mj is the goat , LBJ is the best of this era but MJ is the best in the History of the NBA
The camera been rollin for lebron since that first interview when he had the squad with him😊
Gilbert be freestyling and thinkin his argument is correct 🤦🏾♂️😂😂😂
He does that when he doesn’t get push back. When he had Aries spears on he choked on a lot of those arguments.
Gil is usually quick and funny with jokes but Aries does that better.
It was a great episode I would to see him there again.
@@RUDYAYALA-w6bbecause Brandon scared to argue and I hate that shit
@@SuzukaLova sht u can't argue with McCants he's right and you're wrong....even when KMart is on he really don't argue with McCants
Shit crazy aint it lol
@@jamesjackson2117 but if u a Man U gon argue ur side regardless
Jordan was just a total package. Let's put away the stats. His swag, charisma, and game style and through the roof. Bruh, people were copying the way he chewed his gum, the way he stuck out his tongue, the way he walked, Kobe even copied the way he talked. It was crazy.
😂😂😂😂
Smh.....yall are the niggas I hate to hear/see in this conversation. Talking about swag and charisma.....yall think them niggas cute and that sways how you feel about their game. That's weird af😂
He the reason the game is wat it is today…
1000000% my brother
@CrisJunkie these are the worse type of opinions on this conversation. Swag and charisma? Yall just think he's cute and letting that factor into how yall view the game. Shit is weird man
13:07 them beating the 73-9 Warriors is tainted by Draymond's ejection and suspension, Bogut getting hurt and Iggy getting hurt JUST LIKE Bron fans say the Warriors winning the season before is tainted by Kyrie and K-Love being hurt. But biased Bron fans like to be hypocrital
Also, Warriors put EVERYTHING into beating the bulls record, I think they were tired in the playoffs. Bulls did 72-10 without this problem. 😎💪
And it wasn't The Last Dance season, these guys are hopeless. 🤦♂️
Draymond played the last two games and they LOST stop it
When the 11s first came out. My mom was in the hospital. I went to the mall & bought the new Js b4 I went to see her & she understood. Lol
😂😂 It was like that fr
Rashad new name is Rashad Bayless😂 this guy trying to get his own show
So, we're at the point that Kobe fans don't exist anymore to you. If you're not an MJ or LeBron guy, then you automatically hate them.
LOL🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@penkima4923Rashad ain’t no Kobe fan he just hates lebron
@@anthonywillis3676 You prove my point.
@anthonywillis3676 that's a lie yal just talking and don't know shit... Kobe had a relationship with rashad... Every bball player is a fan of kobe he's a god... Yal couch potatoes need to sthu
Stephen Curry responded to Michael Jordan saying he's "not a Hall of Famer yet," by saying, “I know I have more to prove to myself. When you hear a guy like that who’s the Greatest Of All Time (GOAT), it’s kind of funny. Since we’ve been on this stage, we’ve heard a lot of retired guys chiming in on this generation of basketball players and evaluating talent and saying their generation was better and all that.” - Stephen Wardell Curry II 👀🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nobody thinks about curry when talking about goats keep it that way
@PatriccSellapound372 are those 3 finals losses still troubling you?
It was said years ago
You've hear older heads chiming in because they are responding to dumb comments .Curry is nowhere near a better PG than Magic .
@@PatriccSellapound372speak for yourself he’s the best of this generation
All I have to say is, if you give MJ D-Wade & Chris Bosh in their primes, there's NO WAY he's losing to the Spurs & he's damn sure not losing to Dirk's Mavericks!
Magic has one of the most iconic clutch game clinching shots ever!
yeah that hook shot
LeBron scores 40,000 points but he can't score??? , 🥷🏿 act like LeBron game trash
wicked
Exactly
40k points for how many titles and awards ? More scoring and seasons for less titles and awards...
@@christopheb.6121 theres people that have voting rights that hate on lebron like you. lebron had to face the best team to ever exist and then got kd the very next year
@@christopheb.6121nobody said anything about titles. His comment was strictly about scoring
And we ain’t even talking about shoes
Dennis Rodman said it best. 'why you even having a GOAT discussion?'
“Kobe’s last farewell season” bruh that was a lottery team stfu
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ok McCants gonna come for u .....crying and swinging
@@jamesjackson2117lmao😂
Right, what finish for Kobe did they watch. He was irrelevant for years.
@@tford8129 He just bitter about his career
Imagine if “Cleveland this is for you” was two 3-Peats
With LeBron you can only imagine 😂
@@choyblack528😂😂😂😂right keep dreaming
@@choyblack528 my point exactly lol
The Cleveland championship is more impressive than any of Jordans finals wins.
@@EGTK001 ok buddy now go take your medication 🤡 6 finals lost 😂
Jordan dominated. LeBron never dominated.
Jordan lead the league in points, lead the league in steals. How many times did LeBron lead the league in anything?
MJ: 9 time all defense. 9 times played all 82 games. 6 finals mvps
Those 6 years, especially the last 3, no one else was winning.
Dominated!
Not feel good.
Dominated!
ULTIMATE ANSWER To answer Jennings question: what has Bron done to make people hate him? HE CHALLENGED MJs LEGACY as the goat! That's why they hated on him. They didn't hate shaq...kobe, tmac, Vince, duncan etc.....BRON is the only one who has really challenged Mj as the goat.
The media dubbed LeBron the GoaT, and LeBron got his Chosen 1 tattoo, before LeBron played his first NBA game. That's why so many hate LeBron. And hate the corrupt media.
I'm not sure if you remember but they were comparing Kobe to MJ before it was LeBron's turn especially because Kobe tried to copy MJ's moves and mannerisms. LeBron stole his number and movie lol. After LeBron's turn is up, there will be someone else. LBJ and KB are the best of the bunch so far though.
I think the hate comes from the media trying to make him greater than what he really is and former players and fans can see straight through the media bs
@@penkima4923if i’m doing a profession nobody better than me.
Also afraid to lose in the dunk contest. I think that actually hurt his legacy in some people’s eyes. Jordan was the ultimate competitor. Lebron always wanted to put himself in the most appealing situation.
Gil's CAPPING again, no one who's an MJ fans has changed how they feel about him, so this is false
I cried when Mj retired, my son showed me LBJ, I’m now more of a LBJ fan than I ever was a Mj fan. I’m 55yrs old btw🤷🏾♂️
@@careysellers8198 that's okay
@@careysellers8198 you are a fool.
@@careysellers8198idk why they act like every older person don’t fw Bron
@@ahkreacts6836Definitely an outlier though. Most people that actually saw MJ play at the time have him as the GOAT. It was a different experience.
Jordan's anti-slander from the media had everything to do with his greatness... it wasn't orchestrated 😂
Cry in the car
@@Captain_ObviouslyRight he was humble
Thank you!!
Everybody asks how Jordan would do in today games. how Lebron would do back in the 80-90`s
It not about lebron being a physical specimen. Lebron mindset wouldn't be the same. Center stay in lane and your defense player riding your side all the way too the goal. Lebron skillset is basic.back then you have to be a man. Lebron skillset is weak don't have abcd moves like a jordan. Lbj play in era where you breathe on you wrong foul😂. Just think if shaq play in this era he avg 70 and that without making a freethrow
it’s impossible to compare eras. Medicine, training methods and knowledge now isn’t the same as they were back in the 90s. So you just cant drop LBJ in the 90s w/o wondering if the same medicine, training methods and knowledge were available for Jordan in the 90s
The defense in that time was foul hard cause we aren't actually skilled. Defense was tough when LBJ came in and he didn't have a problem with it then. He would probably look the same or better in the 80's-90's.
@@chrismalone5198 you basically told me your a clown, over 40, or both. One of the worst takes I’ve ever seen
They change rules for a lebron fast break is where he get alot pts from. Why grab technical foul and ball back ,because nba was looking for the next jordan and they did everything for a lebron.like they say lebron do steroid and many high profile ppl say they buy from same distributor and nba not testing because they nor trying to ruin there bread and butter. Didn't let kobe get a chris Paul but let bron,wade,ray and bosh join each other 🤔
McCants act like Kobe really was his potna 😂😂
Melo was better than Bron their rookie seasons
Cap
He was on the better team not better
true and Iverson is the best player under 6'1.. Lebron ain't an all time top 5 player let alone on the level of Michael Jordan.. I don't care if he can pass like Magic Johnson.
@@michaeledwards1644one thing to think he isn't the goat, but to say he isn't top 5 is pure delusion
@@MrTkmcmillboth their teams sucked the year before they were drafted . Lol stop
Mike Jordan tainted LeBron before he came out said he won’t be much better than he already is…
That’s not true about the media not being able to talk negatively about mj. The accused him of gambling. That he got his dad killed because of gambling debt. They said mj couldn’t win a championship. They said he sucked at baseball and I could keep going but u get the point
Bron and KD played against each other in the finals multiple times.
Peter Vecsey was Jordan’s version of Skip Bayless
Facts I was just about to comment this he was the Skip Bayless of the 80s-90s
Agreed. But also, the haters back then weren’t on TV - they wrote articles and talked 💩 on the radio.🤷🏾♂️
Thank you, he was!
Can you show or have 1 piece of article that confirms this? This is a lie. Peter Vecsey just like every other media member was not allowed to criticize Mj
@@raymondbaker9529 definitely not a lie you may be too young to remember it they was calling Jordan selfish player he will never win like magic or bird he’s just a stats player etc, it was a interview a while back where Peter spoke on Jordan’s gambling it’s hard to find a bunch of this stuff due to it’s so dang old but I remember bro
Man said kd can lock up Lebron but it’s actually never happened 😂😂😂
Bron can't lock up KD..they both lack the intangibles to get the big stop on one another at the end of games
@@perennialviralbasketball24 yall go off two seasons but not lookin at the career, back on okc he choked against bron and westbrook was having o takeover
2018 finals Kd was cooking lebron js🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@Twenty3threesavage When did KD lock Bron up in the 2018 finals ? Bron was cooking the WHOLE team, nobody on the warriors could stop him KD INCLUDED
@@Twenty3threesavagebron dropped 51 bro what😭
In the 90s, Jordan changed the way me and my friends looked at life. We felt like anything that we had a gift or talent in, we could be like Jordan in that.
Jordan’s swag, his charisma, his professionalism, his clutch performances, his greatness; the media capitalized and promoted that. Gatorade even made a SONG ABOUT HIM;
“Like Mike, i wanna be like Mike… i wanna be, i wanna be like Mike”
They wrote a SONG about him.
Exactly!
Ngl when I first seen that I wanna be like Mike commercial it just brought joy too me
I'm 25 born '98 ..... Grew up through bron era🔥🔥🔥being in baltimore your whole life you see a lot ish been through a lot of ish I'm pretty sure that was every era in every city..........watching the last dance opened my eyes on how the world viewed Mr. Jordan & how he viewed himself... Can't be f*** with. Every older person I get around I have to ask (MANDATORY) what were they doing during Jordan era & have they ever watch or seen him play... Everybody today is MJ no Debate....
I watched Bulls since '86 at 10 years old. I've seen him play only 3 times in person. I was at the Scottie Pippen charity game in 1994 before they tore down the old Chicago Stadium, Jordan came back from baseball for that one.
There is no one like Michael Jordan. His basically the physical embodiment of the competitive spirit in sports.
I'm in my early 20s, and I know MJ's the 🐐
Mannn shut up😂😂😂
@@a1fge681nah Fr ain’t ever seen bro play I hate people who talk like that ain’t watched a single full Jordan game
@ahkreacts6836 I've watched full games. Granted, it might be a little different since I wasn't alive when they took place.
@@ahkreacts6836WORD😄 Unless It Was A Game Posted On RUclips...
Kobe fan lmao
Kobe’s death elevated the myth. In reality, when he was alive no one had him in the 🐐 conversation.
Bron averaged 37ppg for his career against Rashad. Kobe avenged 28. Lebron also busted Kobe’s ass 16-6 time(Kobe had under 10 in 3 of those wins). Rashad’s arguments are purely based on emotion.
Kobe still had a 3 peat plus a back to back Without Shaq!!! Plus Kobe stayed with one team plus Kobe won more with less 😅 Also he scored 67 with a torn Achilles WHUT!!!!
No team Lebron had before the Miami heat run was better the Kobe’s championship teams or MJ’s championship teams so stop it.
You're meat riding. Stop it champ. You look as crazy as Rashad hating on Bron.
@phillipcotton6318 IF that's true that's better for LB the LAKERS were better but LB record vs KOBE was one sided
@@ibnjerome8231Staying with one team doesn't mean anything except you got lucky enough to get traded to the LAKERS for Divacs LEBRON got drafted to Cle bro so stop acting like they were even close to the same that has nothing to do with who's the best on the court that's nonsense
The media literally ran with the story that he got his father killed how more disrespectful can you get?
It may be true
“It may be true”. In other words you fast validate it, there was zero evidence of that, it was pure conspiracy theory, so don’t report it.
@@jeremyrivens2867 and lebron may have abused PEDs thru his whole career, but they don’t talk about that
@@Augrills may have lol show me your proof he used it on peds if not don’t even mention that
Bron has a better over all. When you talk pure offense it’s KD even Bron passing it to KD for the win if he need to. KD likes to play off other stars. Bron can manage a game way better than KD can. And that’s what makes Bron better.
That's why he 4 and 6 and had close games against g league olympic teams..his playing style wack
LeBron could be 10-0 in the finals and folks would still put him behind MJ
He’s going to be behind Jordan regardless and behind Kobe
I stay in Dallas.. when Hay’s dropping back then.. malls was opening up at 5am
Out here in Cali too. I got up to get in line at 4am when the Bred 11’s came out in the early 2000’s. The days!
😂
Red Bird mall was open at 5. 6 at the latest......and I was late to The "K" with my Blk and Red 12's and we were on the same street at the mall.
Bron had vets on his team hating on em as a 18 year old rookie expected to be the savior of a franchise GMs hate him former teammates hate em and all he wanted to do is play ball and win. 20 plus years of elite play I’ve never in my
Life heard of anybody in any profession get criticized for being good at something for a long time shit is sick
Calling MJ better isn’t criticizing Lebron.
In what Universe is LeBron better than Kobe, let alone MJ??!
Definitely better than Kobe you delusional fck.
This universe we live in
@@jeremyrivens2867right like wtf he talking bout 😭😭
Please explain how Kobe is better than Lebron? Head to head Lebron came away the winner majority of the time.
@@ozonespec it’s very simple actually.. Kobe did more in less time. LeBron is like a Kardashian desperately chasing what he will never catch.
It was MJ or Kobe and Kobe didn’t measure up. Then this phenom kid from Ohio showed up with crazy potential. He dominated the league for 21 years, but in the end didn’t match up.
You always get backlash when you say something people don’t want to hear, but it is what it is. Besides that all time scoring record he didn’t do anything the others haven’t done.
Unpopular truth is it goes
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Oh and I don’t think anyone would deny that if Michael had not left basketball to go play baseball, he would have almost certainly won 2 more titles. There was no one back at that time that could have beaten the bulls in a championship series.
Kobe nor Mike ever got swept in the NBA Finals.. Jordan is the goat 🐐 Kobe is baby goat 🐐💯
They also never carried a team to the finals
Being the solo star
My Pistons should have swept them. We gave yall 1 to a team of hall of famers😂
@@marekboldin4386you sound stupid. Those Lakers teams had nobody? 😂. Ok man.
@@marekboldin4386 just say u hate bron and move on lol
MJ won in 1991 with ZERO all stars on his team. ZERO. Jordan did it again inn1998. Won with ZERO all stars. Lebron always needed an all star lol. Shit, he needed 2 in Miami. He was playing with multiple all nba caliber teammates every time he won. MJ only played with one, and only in 4 outta his 6. Gtfo.
People will say a player's shoes doesn't matter, but that player's influence to the culture is why people buy them in the first place. Growing up I wanted all the Jordans for casual wear and all the Kobes to play ball. There is a reason why everyone wanted to be "Like Mike" on and off the court. Don't forget, people used to kill/steal/rob just for a pair of Jordans. In classrooms playing paper-ball basketball everyone saying "KOBE!" with every shot. We used to witness greatness with our own eyes but nowadays people just see 1 minute long edited tik-toks and believe the narratives they see. With algorithms on social media, once you like a video pushing a certain narrative that is all your feed will show so that's what they will continue to believe.
True!!!! 💯
Wanting to “be like mike” was also a marketing campaign.
@@theonlykingA It’s all marketing LeBron being posted on social media. Every 5 minutes is marketing. 🤷🏽♂️
People buy jordans are the same reason why people hate lebron people are followers
Y’all are so dumb and don’t even understand why Jordan shoes got popular. It was more than Jordan it was apart of hip hop culture. Kids that wear Jordan’s now don’t even know who he is. They could care less about his career or how many rings he got. People only wear Jordans because it’s a popular shoe in our culture not because they like Jordan the player. I saw this video online and they asked this white girl who was wearing Jordan’s if she knew how he looked and she said no. It’s only us older people who have an emotional connection to his shoes. And wanted to be like Jordan on the court. None of that has anything to do with basketball.
Mj and older players were professionals trying to be the best and beat the best. Lebron is an entitled brat making excuses.
FACTS!!!!!!
Kobe would out work KD. He is not the dog that Kobe is. Draymond would not say that shit to Kobe
“ like Mike..I wanna be like Mike!”
I didn’t hear anybody saying they wanna be like Bron 😂 Jordan is 🐐 how many conversations do we have to have about this topic?
That’s simple minded asl lucky they gave yall social media 😂😂😂
yea because nobody can be lebron.. 6’8, 250, athletic, strong & fast. it’s easier to be mj lol i wonder why kobe is always compared to him
@@zyxtrrexactly 😆 can’t nobody be like lebron that’s why he gets so much hate
Nobody wants to be like Bron because everyone recognizes he’s a 1 of 1, it’s not that complicated sir 😂
Name another player in the history of the league who has Lebron’s height and build and has his speed, strength, athleticism, and IQ I’ll wait…
It was a commercial dude give me a break. It' ain't 1989 anymore. Nobody is saying that sh*t
I couldn't even tell what Bron's shoe's look like nor would pick them over Jordan's
The LeBron 6-11s are tough and could compete 🤷🏾♂️
Nobody skipped school for no Lebrons, nor standing in lines.
MJ brand is still hot.
No need to skip school. Amazon will deliver them in 2 hours😂. Different times now
@@calibur2005Nothing amazing about a guy that has NO skills 🤡
Yea but what does that have to do with greatness 😅
Why don't y'all quit tryna minimize old school to new school..Jordan was a dawg and the most competitive player you ever seen
Simple argument. MJ increased viewership while lebron has decreased it
U sure? A whole lot of people have cable memberships & league passes to watch the LeBron era
Jordan won 🏆....period......Bron didn't win like Jordan..there was no team hoping like that...and Brons game not special ...he's just big and athletic...
He not special 😂
@@kennethbrooks9570 you sound just like a female. He is only big ans strong. Lmao
It's so sad that people can't just accept the fact that Michael Jordan happened and he was just that good and the players of that era we're also better players than today
Kobe's story will always stir people more than Lebron. Kobe will always be loved more than Lebron. Lebron was hyped from day 1. When you tell someone that someone is great from day 1 and they falter (Lebron's finals losses) it tarnishes their legacy (as does the flopping). Kobe was never heralded in the way that Lebron was. He was also, so much like Jordan that we grew to cherish that. Lebron's "greatness" has been rammed down our throats. In his era, in his prime there have literally been questions as to if Lebron was even the best in the league. There was never a question as to who the best in the league was when Jordan was in his prime. Lebron's career is about longevity. I don't know that longevity equals the best to ever do it. No one believes Emmitt Smith is better than Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. Jordan is Walter Peyton, and Kobe is Barry. Lebron is Emitt Smith.
Kobe was special , a true student of the game .. only one Kobe Bean ….
We live in an era of hate. Instead of giving LeBron props for having the second most FMVPs of all-time, people focus on his many championship losses. We don't even hear people talk about Jordan's many bad shooting nights.
One gets trolled for having 50+ in a finals loss against a significantly better team and the other gets praised for dropping 60+ in a 1st rd loss against a significantly better team. That man legit can't win and I'd bet the house the public would destroy Jordan for his failures if he played today too. The era of hate.
Jordan failures was what people loved about him. He didn’t run or joined up, he put the wrk In and kicked everybody’s ass bro. Real Talk. Plus Jordan wasn’t obsessed on being CALLED the Goat like Bron is, Jordan wanted to prove to his peers he’s the best. Plain and simple.
@@FeiLong82 his organization got him the talent he needed. Why does everyone conveniently forget that?
The off-season Bron decided to go to south beach free agency was stacked and the Cavs did NOTHING. Dwight had a team, Boston had their big 3 with Rondo emerging as a real problem with his vision & IQ, and you still had the west being the west.
A bad shooting night and a championship loss are put on the same pedestal???
It's all in the game..we respect what he has done..just stop the comparison to mike..compare him to someone else
@@BEDCORNa championship lost and a lost in the first round?
It's obvious how much work went into this!
Crazy how everyone got there own opinion of Bron but if you go look at the numbers 🤔 just saying they be acting like Bron a bum, almost 40 and still doing more then some of the younger guys Mike or kobe wasn't doing that in there late age nope.
Take into account all the cheating (stacking the deck, roid allegations, traveling, off arm fouling, etc)
LeBum
Lebron is not loved like Jordan because Jordan dominated an era and did it without creating narratives. Brandon keeps talking about lebron came in at 18 and did it his way. What does that mean?!? Smh
I remember when Brandon was objectively critical of Lebron 5 or 6 yrs ago. Now he has become a Bronsexual, it's like a virus that infects people. Lebron was the Drake of rap, can't deny his talent but real ones aint respect him like THAT. From Deshawn Stevenson making fun of him and his "crab dribble" that one time, to Lance Stephenson blowing in his ear, to Jason Terry trash talking him in The Finals, it's just things players wouldn't do to MJ or Kobe.
Like punch his bitch ass in the face like they did? Or slam his bitch ass to the ground and whoop his ass in the playoffs like they did. Yea they would never. Stupid as fuck.
Aubrey doesn't write his songs. What's wrong with you?.
@@RealParadox85 and where are all these people now 🙄
MJ caught hard fouls all day and was trash talked. Kobe was the biggest b!tch on the court as he allowed a dude to 2 piece him. What is you even saying??
Lebron fans hate MJ fans now but wait until they get old and there’s a new NBA superstar born. They’re really going to get tight. 😂😂😂
No one will pass jordan..The economy crashing and all the foreigners still gonna buy Jordan's because they think that's what Americans like
Funny thing is people who have MJ as GOAT are fans of basketball, whereas 99% of those that have LBJ as GOAT are his fans or MJ haters.
The next great in the GoaT discussion is probably already born and in the NBA. It was Wemby's fault that France lost to Team USA. But MJ, Kobe and LeBron all needed to mature for years before they started winning chips. The CP3-move to the Spurs will hinder Wemby's development, and probably prevent Wemby from reaching his full potential. But Wemby is already a top-10 player in the league, so he indeed is a prodigy. The only question is health, and unfortunately Popovich is too old at this point to give any sensible advice to Wemby.
People are gonna replace bron soooo quick in 10-15 years. Gonna say it was all longevity, he was just bigger/faster than everybody, easier league, he had no jumper, he stacked teams etc… when the league is full of Giannis and wemby types they’ll look back and laugh.
@@dapper892 - 10-15yrs?? It would be much quicker than that
Yeah so overall, Bron is fighting against Jordon’s Iconography, not even Jordan as just the player. Which is why he’ll forever be fighting a losing battle. Jordan is the Epitome of right place right time along with a little bit a luck. His talent and preparation was unveiled at the PERFECT time in the NBA. No one can usurp that!
Facts bc if we talking better player Lebron is a better player
@@steventucker3297 hell no he aint.
@@dalecarson645 skill set is better Jordan did his damage against ppl that weren’t as athletic as him that’s just the facts the average player in the league now have his talents just not his mentality that just the truth
@@steventucker3297 yawn all lies and cope jordan is goat and bron is a crybaby much like his fans.
@@dalecarson645 what does Jordan do better than LeBron let’s start there???
Jordan instilled fear in everyone and did not play as long as Lebron...
Gil is so full of crap, he says nobody talked bad about 80s superstars. Tragic magic, jordan can never win nba champion as a scoring champ, theres alot more. Jordan is the best ever, thats why lebron can never top jordan. Lebron just isnt as great as jordan
I agree fully. Ain’t gonna be another Jordan
@@jasonnarcisse7116 mj still goat but u cant say that we never know 🤷♂️
@@LukasP143 thats the point gill making, and proof players are individually better but mfs use team accolades, its hard to picture lil ass jordan doin anything with lebron, in game he wouldnt even guard bron at all
💯💯💯
@@ohiomadejay Jason terry locked 🔒 up bron, bruv!😑
Lebron teamed up 3x to win chips during his prime. That’s not a winners attitude. That’s not what competitors do. Tfoh
2012, 2017, 2018 finals Bron gave KD straight work. Ion know what Rashad on
I feel bad that the younger generation has no idea what it was like to watch Jordan from the beginning.
McCants Bayless favorite topic 😂
Some of these young men don’t get it. The following words are from Lebron’s James:
"When I started playing basketball, I was like 'Man, that 2-3 looks good,'" James said in 2019. "'I want to be able to fly like him.
ok?
wtf is this comment meant to prove like what?
So what?
Okay and?
useless information
LeBron is not close to MJ. He's still battling Kobe
I agree 💯%
You Prove Arenas right …. The Media imprinted MJ in your brain so no one can and will ever be even close to your hero No matter what they do. The world is comparing MJ & LBJ together and you’re saying he’s battling Kobe.
You are tripping.
🤣🤣🤣 That shipped sailed when Kobe was still playing. What is he 6-16 vs Bron, 1 MVP, 2 FMVP. Nah go sit down in the back.
naw bro he done pass that rite not it's Jordan or LeBron only die hard kobe fans put him in the convo but don't get me wrong kobe he that dude but no one's talk kobe over Bron
What I want to know why isn't my dude Kobe isn't being mentioned when they talk about MJ and LEBRON??? Someone please explain to me why ?? How in da hell did LeBron pass Kobe da black mamba!!
Fck that shi. Everyone who ain't completely biased knows that Bron is greater than Kobe. Stop letting your emotions get into these conversations!!! Kobe is a great player, but he is not even Top 5 cmon now.
LeBron is a Boule member!! How didn't you know LeBron is chosen to controll the black peoples voice! Wake up! They hate KD Kobe & Kyrie because they can't be controlled ❤
Exactly. How did he, LeBron, pass Magic?
Kobe was a Jordan clone, all his moves he took everything including the triangle offense plus he played with Shaq who was the finals mvp in all 3 of the chips they won together
He passed Kobe in 2013&14. He got 🐐'd in 2016
The lebron era will be remembered as the era of activist pre madonnas and paid propaganda which absolutely tore the game to shreds resulting in low ratings after what mike accomplished for the game bringing basketball global.. No defence , flopping , 3 point contest everygame , no passion for the sport while showing disdain to the fans.. Good job lebron u are the leader of this
Anybody that saw them both play or is old enough knows that that Michael Jordan is the greatest player to ever play the game. Facts no debate both defensively and offensively. LeBron James is Karl Malone with Magic Johnson’s passing ability .
I’m old enough and that’s your opinion and not mines cause bron my goat
@@jeremyrivens2867 why your decision based on what it clearly is not basketball.
I agree Michael is the Goat. MJ didn’t go get Patric Ewing and Magic Johnson to team up with him to win championships.