Where are you finding this video from? Over the past day there has been a legion of people commenting on this 2 and a half year old video of mine of me raging like an idiot for an hour over a bad contract I was offered by VICE.
Fuck. I figured this would be done uploading by the time I made it to 200k.. but not there yet. Go figure, the one time my internet actually works faster than a hamster inside a dialup modem. Oh well. :(
It takes forever to upload to youtube with the internet here. work is 2-3 mbps which I rarely get, home is 100 mbps sometimes and whenever people start torrenting porn goes down to dialup. when i started this upload it said three days remaining so I figure no need to hit "schedule", I go to get food come back and it's published. Lovin' it!
But if he works hard and his company becomes more powerful and popular he’ll have no regrets later on and he’ll own all his fortune with the least amount of regret
Wow, before seeing this video I saw you as just a repair guy with great values. I now see you as an idol, you are someone I can look up to without worrying about getting bad habits. Thank you for being you.
You dodged a bullet there, man. They would have turned you into a caricature, "the angry unauthorized repair man", more focus on the "angry" part, less on the "repair" part.
TIL I can literally listen to Louis read a goddamn legal contract as background noise and enjoy it. Something about the way you speak. Thanks for another video.
True story, I had it on while doing my work in the background and checked back every so often. Didn't even realize 50 minutes had gone by. Keep up the good work Louis!
Yup. I don’t know what it is, but for sure I’d love a podcast for the background whilst I am working, even just relaxing. I can’t put my finger on it yet, but he has another skill to add.
I woke up at 4.14AM and was struggling to go back to sleep. The part where you were reading the contract put me into deep hibernation within the first 30 seconds. A genuine thank you.
Never heard of an NDA about talking about contracts that he didn't sign or agree to. There'd have to be an incentive for someone to agree to an NDA in the first place. If there's a settlement for a lawsuit, the incentive is the monetary value of the settlement. If there's an NDA on employment, the incentive is getting the job. Why would anyone VOLUNTARILY sign an NDA without getting anything in return?
You can sign 10 NDAs for free if you get really excited about getting to work with a giant company. And yes, there are a lot of situations where they get you to sign a NDA first so they can be sure that you don't mention a thing about the contract or the company.
Zeke Larson I was asked to agree to an employment contract without reading it once. I asked about it, and was told it was confidential, so I could not read it before signing. Needless to say, I decided I did not want to work there that badly. Software contracts are the same: you are expected to "agree" to an EULA that you do not get a chance to read. Since the OS in considered an "integral part" of the computer (some Linux users got OS refunds back in the day), your only remedy is to return the whole machine for a refund.
Vice was an left-wing propaganda machine that got the views by making up stories and youtube click bait algorithm pointed everyone to the channel. Now that everyone is sick of left-wing propaganda machine because most people are not crazy, youtube changed its algorithm and vice is no longer getting the hits and being forced buy hits from other websites and calling it their own tricking stock holders and investors on just how popular they really are.
Vice was the best when it was a bunch of weird dudes visiting countries and getting really drunk or high, kind of like if the real life trailer park boys visited different countries. Once they sold out to HBO it became about all this serious bullshit that consumes this dumpster of a country they call the USA. It was better when they remained lighthearted because they lack the scruples to think anything through in a logical manner.
RUclips suggestions. I've been watching your videos here and there for a while but had never seen this video. You're right, It may have burned a few bridges doing this video but I applaud you sir. Thanks for the video. Very enlightening.
What I like about this channel and dude is that he seems solid and reinforces it, without much prompting, constantly through bumping into his own obstacles in his working life. Wholesome like a PBS staple. Folks like this really are the Bob Rosses of our time
This is super common. I'm not partnered on RUclips and every single day I am offered some terrible contract from a so called RUclips Network that wants to take a cut of my ad revenue to provide literally nothing in return. I hate it simply because I know some youtubers will fall into these traptracts.
wait until you have a store with a public address and open hours and have salespeople every day show up bombarding you with bullshit offers. people think that this is in poor form because less businesses will contact me with offers now... I HOPE SO!!!
Best. Video. Ever. Not sure how it came up in my recommended, just glad it did. This video could be used in college economics, except for the 'triggering' language. Brilliant and accurate. And you have a black cat.
$1500 an episode! WTF? LMAO! Bloggers in our field get offers of double or triple that to produce a single youtube videos for clients, and/or in-video sponsorship of a single video. (I've turned down all such offers) And they want to pay you $1500 an episode to work your arse off and provide your name and talent? This would be a bad deal even if they didn't include all that controlling crap in the contract.
Will you be selling Louis Bobbleheads? I want one! With arms that also move and posed with two middle fingers! So awesome to have you read a contract and give real time, "Double Salute"!!! ;-)
Now that this video is trending 2 years later, any chance we are going to get a retrospective video? Maybe talking about where you and your business was back then compared to now...
The video was recommended to me by RUclips. I don't think you were burning any bridges so much as escaping from a group of hunters desperately trying to shoot you and scalp you.
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They were hoping you were just a computer geek making RUclips videos. Good for you. Most people would have jumped at the offer without a second thought.
This contract is ridiculous. There is so much stuff that they get and dictate, what in the world was in it for you at all? That contract was written to give you a "pilot" that wouldn't get picked up and VTV would then just be entitled to 10% of ALL of your revenue period!! That is insane. I bet they could have taken 10% of your repair shops income as well. I found this video as a suggested video on my suggested videos on my home page of RUclips. I am a somewhat recent subscriber.
All these network company's just want your revenue in offer to more exposure, but its all bullshit, they just want a chunk of your revenue. People sign these contracts all the time and they are hard to get out of them. They just want to make money on all your hard work.
Imagine if he actually did this, and apply the standard reality show tropes. They'd bring in a whole fake support staff to fight with him and each other. There'd be some dopey lunkhead, some tattooed fake geek-girl, and maybe his mother.... then "customers" would bring him undocumented nameless foreign equipment that failed, or equipment from named sponsors (which didn't fail but was slightly damaged in some humorous or dangerous incident). And if Louis doesn't get the equipment fixed by the end of the episode, his client will go out of business... jobs will be lost... lives will be at stake!
I believe that if any contract is more than a small paragraph or two in length. Whoever wrote it wants to make sure they've got you by the goolies leaving you no room to manoeuvre. This obviously can result in only one decision.. A great big Feck U. I congratulate you Louis. Cheers John
Vice is a dumpster fire and have been slowly going down the drain. Definitely the right decision on your part IMO. (This video was in the recommended list that's how lol)
I know, right? This is a real eye opener to me. I had no idea they were this ruthless / greedy with people they want to show. I can't imagine what contracts other people have signed without really realizing just how much control they are giving to Vice. Meanwhile they try to present themselves as concerned about human or workers rights!
Find a black hole and send the contract through it. The it is only valid in that universe and is no longer binding in this universe since it is no longer present in this universe
A failure to specify the precise Universe in which "it" (here to fore referencing the original 15 page contract as submitted to Mr. Rossman) remain valid is a contractual flaw in the contract. By the way how do we reference our universe as opposed to the other universe? I suppose we will have to send a google mapping probe through the black hole and use its result to delineate our universe from "The other Universe" Her to fore designated as TOU for contractual purposes on Page 16 sub paragraph 134, section 3 sentence 8, line 1137, words 6 through 18.
Billy Corgan said the smashing pumpkins contract said, "in this universe and all other universes not yet discovered. So, if they discover another dimesnion, they can sell them Smahing Pumkins cd's. Seems legit.
RUclips kept pushing this video into the recommendations, but I thought 51min of Louis would get boring really fast. Even the cat called it quits after 38min. But boy, was I wrong! That type of contract would have damage your life style beyond repair, so thank you for being who you are! I follow your videos for the education AND for the host's snarky remarks and jokes, my skills have improved tenfold and I'm not even a repair technician, just a DIY amateur. I'm now able to repair stuff I never dreamed of!
At the end of videos, you'd always tell us, "I hope your learned something". Indeed, two years is never too late to learn. This video is an important lesson in scrutinizing a contract.
Dude, I have less than 10,000 subs and I wouldn't take this deal. But what would be the real kicker is if Apple was paying them to do this to stop you.
Louis Rossmann It was a joke. But seriously, this is a good video. I was in the middle of making a video on knowing the line when you play dirty, and i seen you had this up. Because it kinda fits into what I am talking about in the video, I'm going to reference it and link it.
it could very well be that though. Might be tough to prove. But i've heard of random stories about how some company sent out some crap like this to get the person(s) / "Artists" to quit doing what they do willfully.
gbowne1 Funny thing is, I know that's something I would do to get someone to play nice or get them out of the game. But I would put more effort into it.
Isn't RUclips Heroes supposed to be dead by now? After all they told us to do whatever we can to make RUclips a better place so reporting their own videos wouldn't be a bad idea...
You hit trending, I assume it is related to the Vice in the title. Videos about and containing vice have been trending on youtube lately, generally not in a positive light either.
I guess that explains it, for most it's on home screen recommending this video, same for me (he going to get a noticeable spike on this particular video if he looks at that often)
Worst contract is from Britain's Got Talent. SICO (Simon Cowell's company) fits total control of your life, image, all content you have or ever will create, all your money, and all of your social interactions into a single signature- with zero liability.
And this is why I am subscribed to your channel. Love your stuff man. My support isn't about "giving it to the man" but I support your honest professional and very funny opinions on a lot of the stuff you cover.
It sounds like they were asking you to film, light, purchase equipment, and come up with the content, which inevitably they would be asking you to dumb down. $1,500 per episode for a cable TV show is a fucking joke.
YES. YES. YES. These leeches need a good smashing. This is literally legal-scams 101. This shit needs more exposure so as to prevent more naive creators from losing their entire lives to these corporate-syringes.
Louis, I have worked in the TV biz and you are hit the nail on the head. I know of contracts like this, I have seen them signed, and they are unofficially literally known in the hallways as 'the fuck'm over contract'. And as a sidenote, I have no interest in repairing laptops. I DO watch all your videos for your bubbly personality. I like your honesty, I like your fuck against the fuck-behaviour of Apple, so I give you the advertising revenue you deserve. Because you deserve it. You work for it. You don't try to leech off the fame of others. You, sir, have my respect.
This is an absolute master class in RUclips rants! I just stumbled across your channel and watched a couple of your repair videos which are great. Then I ran across THIS particular video. Holy shit, lol. I LOVE IT! The link to the original video of yours that I watched came up in a feed of suggested videos while I was watching a video called, "Apple: It's Good If You Like CRAP" that I found after getting disgusted (for the umteenth time lately) with the deterioration in the quality of Apple hardware and software.
The per-episode compensation is an outrage. That alone is a huge red flag. Viceland is an appropriate name, and we might emphasize the vice part. Sounds like another Apple. I am a bit suspicious that the whole shebang is a ruse to extract out information that you might not otherwise reveal. Your video provides a warning to other content creators and should serve to prevent what fortunately did not overcome you.
the per episode salary wasn't as much the issue to me as them putting their hand in my cookie jar. I hope it does discourage others from signing this contract!
As both an electronics engineer, and then as a viewer, I find enormously practical wisdom in your work and see tremendous talent in your personality, energy and honesty. In this opinion I may be firing from the hip: you're talents are worth far more than those pages of legalese respect and recognize. Such may be difficult to see from the inside. I'd seek out someone who understands the potential and who will look out for your interests first.
I've been watching your channel for a year. I just subscribed to your channel today. One lesson I have learn is, don't get happy to fast. I noticed that you now have over 800,000 subscriber. It's obvious you made the right decision.
mate, out of principle, I have but the utmost respect for you standing by what you believe in. It just popped up my RUclips feed because I watched few recent videos of yours over the last couple of days.
I'm surprised he went that far down that road. I have a nothing channel, and I was contacted by a "media company" who claimed they wanted to contract with me to buy my videos for hundreds of dollars. Of course, it was a shotgun approach to get the rights to as many videos as possible from as many people as possible, in case any of them turn out to have any commercial value. Louis, they already got you, when you spent so much time reading the contract. How much do you charge per hour?
Landrew0 i could see your argument but this was viceland, and he has content monetization to lose. Not a fly by night company buying "content". I think you should watch again and learn something from it.
And this gives us a little clue as to why so many celebrities in the entertainment industry seem so stupid. They ARE stupid, because they probably were dumb enough to sign one of these types of contracts.
I joined precisely at that same time, with the "Unauthorized Idiot" video, and I've never seen you that pissed off and plain angry. To be fair, this contract sounds outrageous.
The section regarding the royalty payments actually has a much more evil payload than you gave it credit for. It allows them to collect royalties until 2 years after the initial airing of the final episode, but the later severability clause means that if they exercise their right granted earlier to cancel producing the show altogether, you would be stuck paying royalties forever without them having done a single thing except sign the contract with you.
they could pay me $1500 for one episode in exchange for 10% of my *gross* revenue streams, not even net(I should re-read to confirm though, it is midnight)....That's a nice $4000-$10,000/month passive income they'd make just for paying $1500 for one episode upfront.
Like with many other recent commenters, it simply showed up in my home feed. And what an enjoyable and satisfying video to watch. In fact, there has been a huge increase in my home feed digging out interesting and enjoyable older videos in recent weeks.
I sat through the whole video. I learned a lot. Hope you never sell out. I like your content as it is. Basically, what I understand, is that you created a brand, that they see is making money and they want to monazite and control what you do with it. Basically your signing the rights over to yourself, your brand and what you do, to them.
Your characterizing of talent recruitment by "let's you and me make me rich" exploiters is spot on. I was lucky. My contract with a tech magazine allowed me to keep my created content with no strings attached. OTH the monthly articles I wrote for them over a couple worked out to $6/hr. A musician friend of mine almost signed a contract with a Nashville talent agent that amounted to 7 years of indentured. servitude. Want to hear some real horror stories, talk to high tech engineers who signed with head hunters. Never bend over to pick up the soap a talent recruiter dropped.
Thank you for uploading this, I am Sub’d but it just showed up in views. I am a freelance photographer and we are also dealing with insane contracts, it’s a bold new era of shamelessness and I love how nonchalant the people who send these contracts are about it
A good friend turned me on to this channel, and it’s very refreshing and informative, not to mention HILARIOUS. I’ll just ask what I think is the most obvious question: Does ANYONE sign a contract such as this? Obviously the answer is yes... but why? SAD! Thanks for the content Louis👍
I realize you channeled business louis but that kind of contract deserves a much... more stark response. I feel like you should've sent a reverse contract that states that the litigator(s) who worked on creating and delivering a legally binding document to the artist hereby agree to perform a singular insertion of spiked object into a bodily orophase designated by the artist no later than 3 days from the artist's request of such an action, instigated verbally. the contract includes all existing litigator(s) retained by VTV as of the time of the contract.
+SiriusXification that assumes I even want to do this. I don't. I just figured I'd go along for the ride and see what they offered and what they offered was garbage. I don't feel like negotiating or begging for a job I never asked for in the first place.
You da boss !!!... Here's one for you... "You can clearly see we are one big, happy 'family' here and we want you to be part of our 'family', do you honestly think we would do anything nefarious to you ?"...
vice was build on fake news and propaganda for contract....... please read on it seriously. they made fake canibal "reporting" and invented facts to get views
A few years back, I was contacted by Leftfield Pictures (producers of "Pawn Stars" and other shows that have led to the decline of American television). The agent who called me was extremely vague about what the purpose of the conversation was... she just wanted me to send in some additional information on what I do (and how). So, I compiled a portfolio of some of the projects I'd worked on, and sent it in. I haven't heard back. My channel is incredibly random, and has a fairly small (but loyal) following. I cannot even imagine what the hell they saw in my channel that triggered a "We need to contact this guy - NOW!" reaction.
Sounds like the kind of phone call you get if you sue Uber. Did they also call your friends and say they wanted to do a show about you and ask for dirt?
Great video as always Louis. I thought a lot of Viceland's content was of a pretty good quality, but hearing the specifics of this contract makes me think otherwise about supporting them. Maybe it's better for those without a business like you mentioned. It just feels a little cheapened now, the fact that they're most likely banking on people getting fucked over just to be on cable television.
+TheBigBrett I don't mind people still liking their content, I would just hope that this video inspired potential artists to read their contract and think about the ramifications of signing it if they already have something going for them in their career.
This just got recommended to me by RUclips, but I've watched a couple of your videos in the past couple of years so maybe that's how it makes sense? Anyways, thanks for sharing this contract. It's amazing what these companies want to get away with (and actually do sometimes, otherwise they wouldn't keep trying!). PS: you made me work for that affiliate program number (as I know nothing about electronics in general, let alone Apple), but it was fun.
This just sounds like "someone" trying to legit fuck up your business and make it harder to continue what you are already doing. Thank you for not letting any big business shit on you! You set a fantastic example for other small business owners/content creators to follow! Fucking KEEP IT UP Louis!!!
Most people would have jumped on such a contract just to be on TV. This is what I respect about Louis, He can't just be bought.He has his personal values, and sticks to them.
I watch videos you made YEARS ago and still find them just as informative and entertaining as the day you uploaded them, i will be part of your youtube family forever!
It's one I had not yet viewed, and now I'm glad that I did. Good thing you are educated to read contracts and not a fame seeking person. Thanks Louis! and 790k subscribers!
I've had business/employment contracts put in front of me that I've whipped out a highlighter and said "see all that in yellow? I'd like that removed" lol
Exactly what I thought! In the beginning it was my impression that this is just the TV-world equivalent of the nigerian prince trying to give you millions for a small check-fee... But VICE?!?!?! If you were to be dumb enough to sign this shit, how did you ever open a youtube channel, make videos of you speaking coherently and upload them? - That's just fucking ridiculous...
I think I would have read and seen through this contract, but thanks for the knowledge about people who try to get you excited to take advantage of you. That’s real advice.
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Where are you finding this video from? Over the past day there has been a legion of people commenting on this 2 and a half year old video of mine of me raging like an idiot for an hour over a bad contract I was offered by VICE.
just showed up on my home page suggestions (thank you for all the videos)
Algorithm
In recommended videos
- showed up on my home page suggestions as well 🤷♂️ entertaining stuff!
Home on the mobile RUclips app. You're right under the iPhone ad 😂
Fuck. I figured this would be done uploading by the time I made it to 200k.. but not there yet. Go figure, the one time my internet actually works faster than a hamster inside a dialup modem. Oh well. :(
Close enough for me ;)
Close enough.
It takes forever to upload to youtube with the internet here. work is 2-3 mbps which I rarely get, home is 100 mbps sometimes and whenever people start torrenting porn goes down to dialup. when i started this upload it said three days remaining so I figure no need to hit "schedule", I go to get food come back and it's published. Lovin' it!
2-3 mbps upload, mine is 1 on a good day!
+Louis Rossmann and I complain because i lose 10 mbps off my 30 mbps
For anyone wondering the resistance between PPBUS_SW_LCDBKLT_PWR and BKL_EN is 301k
And the resistance between PPBUS_LOUIS and PPBUS_VTV is 1M.
And the resistance between my dick and my hand is loneliness.
i think the resistance is more like oL
The resistance between POED_LOUIS and SCAM_VTV is >9000M
You mean it's over 9000?
And now you're pushing 800k subs; obviously you should have taken the contract offer ;)
exactly he shoulda did because it would have gotten his name and brand out there even more
@@chevykng29 glad he didnt sign the contract from what I hear the TV network is nothing but cancer
@@awesomereview2358 It is.
Spoiler warning, it is.
But if he works hard and his company becomes more powerful and popular he’ll have no regrets later on and he’ll own all his fortune with the least amount of regret
@@chevykng29 no. they would destroy his channel
Wow, before seeing this video I saw you as just a repair guy with great values. I now see you as an idol, you are someone I can look up to without worrying about getting bad habits. Thank you for being you.
You dodged a bullet there, man. They would have turned you into a caricature, "the angry unauthorized repair man", more focus on the "angry" part, less on the "repair" part.
More like dodged a creepy lawyer in a spray painted van saying "hey I got some spare change for you. Just get in."
Mac nightmares
No bullet to doge who have to be pure stupid to sign something like that
TIL I can literally listen to Louis read a goddamn legal contract as background noise and enjoy it. Something about the way you speak. Thanks for another video.
He's voice and diction. Very soothing. Reminds me of Bob Ross.
True story, I had it on while doing my work in the background and checked back every so often. Didn't even realize 50 minutes had gone by. Keep up the good work Louis!
Yup. I don’t know what it is, but for sure I’d love a podcast for the background whilst I am working, even just relaxing. I can’t put my finger on it yet, but he has another skill to add.
I know this feel.
Summary of contract
Bend over we're going in dry.
No u
its bite the pillow we're going in dry!
with a pineapple
@@Damienov , more like a cactus.
Well, Vice is full of man-bun wearing, soy milk drinking, libtard hipster douhcebags. Being screwed by them will be Louis rock bottom in life.
This wasn't a deal so that they could get all the money from your work, it was an attempt to legitimately wipe you out completely. Incredible.
Wish that was reality tho
@@AntonyCBSR why?
Paid for by some iPhone wielding sociopath.
;P
I woke up at 4.14AM and was struggling to go back to sleep. The part where you were reading the contract put me into deep hibernation within the first 30 seconds. A genuine thank you.
I started to nod out on the toilet at that part as well. It's better than a white noise machine.
lol.. +Louis Rossmann we dealt with the same crap for over a year .. smart move !!
Somebody getting fired because didn't get you to sign a NDA before sending the contract
Never heard of an NDA about talking about contracts that he didn't sign or agree to. There'd have to be an incentive for someone to agree to an NDA in the first place. If there's a settlement for a lawsuit, the incentive is the monetary value of the settlement. If there's an NDA on employment, the incentive is getting the job. Why would anyone VOLUNTARILY sign an NDA without getting anything in return?
+Zeke Larson I guess the same reasons someone would sign this shit:)
You can sign 10 NDAs for free if you get really excited about getting to work with a giant company. And yes, there are a lot of situations where they get you to sign a NDA first so they can be sure that you don't mention a thing about the contract or the company.
Zeke Larson
I was asked to agree to an employment contract without reading it once. I asked about it, and was told it was confidential, so I could not read it before signing.
Needless to say, I decided I did not want to work there that badly.
Software contracts are the same: you are expected to "agree" to an EULA that you do not get a chance to read. Since the OS in considered an "integral part" of the computer (some Linux users got OS refunds back in the day), your only remedy is to return the whole machine for a refund.
PtfDontE that sounds like a joke.. is that even legal?
2 years later, doesn't look like you missed out on anything Louis. ViceTV was interesting during it's launch phase, lost the appeal IMO.
Vice was an left-wing propaganda machine that got the views by making up stories and youtube click bait algorithm pointed everyone to the channel. Now that everyone is sick of left-wing propaganda machine because most people are not crazy, youtube changed its algorithm and vice is no longer getting the hits and being forced buy hits from other websites and calling it their own tricking stock holders and investors on just how popular they really are.
@@jaimefish173, any sources for that, bud?
@@mycelia_ow maybe watch this video and the contract
That's what I thought. Pretty much made up statements and an ad hominem.
Vice was the best when it was a bunch of weird dudes visiting countries and getting really drunk or high, kind of like if the real life trailer park boys visited different countries. Once they sold out to HBO it became about all this serious bullshit that consumes this dumpster of a country they call the USA. It was better when they remained lighthearted because they lack the scruples to think anything through in a logical manner.
RUclips suggestions. I've been watching your videos here and there for a while but had never seen this video.
You're right, It may have burned a few bridges doing this video but I applaud you sir. Thanks for the video. Very enlightening.
What I like about this channel and dude is that he seems solid and reinforces it, without much prompting, constantly through bumping into his own obstacles in his working life. Wholesome like a PBS staple. Folks like this really are the Bob Rosses of our time
This is super common. I'm not partnered on RUclips and every single day I am offered some terrible contract from a so called RUclips Network that wants to take a cut of my ad revenue to provide literally nothing in return. I hate it simply because I know some youtubers will fall into these traptracts.
wait until you have a store with a public address and open hours and have salespeople every day show up bombarding you with bullshit offers. people think that this is in poor form because less businesses will contact me with offers now... I HOPE SO!!!
BruceWillakers
no one sends you anything 1k andy
Just look at Anthony padilla
This is not a contract. This is a scam.
R9731 is a 301K ohm resistor. Good tutorials man!
TheKurrgan1 Scrolled all the way down for this, appreciate it
Scrolled down to find this, thanks XD
Watching this in 2019 being amongst almost 800k of your subscribers, I'm gonna say you made the right call two years ago.
Best. Video. Ever. Not sure how it came up in my recommended, just glad it did. This video could be used in college economics, except for the 'triggering' language. Brilliant and accurate. And you have a black cat.
$1500 an episode! WTF? LMAO!
Bloggers in our field get offers of double or triple that to produce a single youtube videos for clients, and/or in-video sponsorship of a single video. (I've turned down all such offers)
And they want to pay you $1500 an episode to work your arse off and provide your name and talent?
This would be a bad deal even if they didn't include all that controlling crap in the contract.
It was silly enough to be worth publishing at the risk of accusations of being unprofessional for sure.
Not unprofessional at all. On the contrary.
Is there a video of VTV's reply?
Why many vice projects are based in 3rd world countries.. There people would be rich getting that kinda money
@@nekoroms nowadays 1500 is not much in 3rd world countries. :/
@@mau3020 Whelp. I'm a walking 4th world country then. $1500 is considered a lot to me.
Will you be selling Louis Bobbleheads? I want one! With arms that also move and posed with two middle fingers! So awesome to have you read a contract and give real time, "Double Salute"!!! ;-)
I'd buy a Funko Pop figure of Louis anyday.
why is this not a thing?
make it happen so i can put it on my rework station.
I'd buy one
Please make this happen Louis
I’d buy that 🤣
There's an ancient chinese saying:
"If you ask for everything, then you will get nothing."
apparently that was lost on these people.
Now that this video is trending 2 years later, any chance we are going to get a retrospective video? Maybe talking about where you and your business was back then compared to now...
I hope so. A hindsight breakdown with this much 🔥 passion should be a cakewalk for our man Lou.
👍
You got my vote, if that's what we're doing.
The video was recommended to me by RUclips. I don't think you were burning any bridges so much as escaping from a group of hunters desperately trying to shoot you and scalp you.
I love how one attorney described the contracts for American Idol contestants: "Page 1: Fuck you! Page 2: Fuck You! Page 3: Fuck You!" LOL
#FY lol
Page 4: You're our bitch now! Suck it!
What was that video
i think their contracts are not much better
Page 5 fuck you so hard
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They were hoping you were just a computer geek making RUclips videos. Good for you. Most people would have jumped at the offer without a second thought.
Most alarming is that they could sell their rights to Apple and then Apple could dictate what videos you can upload.
your the only person I know that actually knows how to ramble
thx for making a 3 hour train journey not boring for an hour
This contract is ridiculous. There is so much stuff that they get and dictate, what in the world was in it for you at all? That contract was written to give you a "pilot" that wouldn't get picked up and VTV would then just be entitled to 10% of ALL of your revenue period!! That is insane. I bet they could have taken 10% of your repair shops income as well.
I found this video as a suggested video on my suggested videos on my home page of RUclips. I am a somewhat recent subscriber.
28:47 - $1824 as of 3/26/2019. and yes, your bubbly personality is awesome.
All these network company's just want your revenue in offer to more exposure, but its all bullshit, they just want a chunk of your revenue. People sign these contracts all the time and they are hard to get out of them. They just want to make money on all your hard work.
Imagine if he actually did this, and apply the standard reality show tropes. They'd bring in a whole fake support staff to fight with him and each other. There'd be some dopey lunkhead, some tattooed fake geek-girl, and maybe his mother.... then "customers" would bring him undocumented nameless foreign equipment that failed, or equipment from named sponsors (which didn't fail but was slightly damaged in some humorous or dangerous incident). And if Louis doesn't get the equipment fixed by the end of the episode, his client will go out of business... jobs will be lost... lives will be at stake!
+Bob and Kim Rivard they didn't even offer me a cute tattooed fake geek
I would watch it.
Think of the potential memes to be had!
"maybe his mother" that's so fucking hilarious because I actually can see this happening
Sounds like Repair Nightmares, if you know what I mean.;-)
I believe that if any contract is more than a small paragraph or two in length. Whoever wrote it wants to make sure they've got you by the goolies leaving you no room to manoeuvre. This obviously can result in only one decision.. A great big Feck U.
I congratulate you Louis.
Cheers
John
Vice is a dumpster fire and have been slowly going down the drain. Definitely the right decision on your part IMO. (This video was in the recommended list that's how lol)
I will totally watch this again to give Rossmann repair llc to get some more adsense revenue! lol ..also, here's an engagement ;)
So VICE may not be quite the free-wheeling hipster dudes their image would suggest.
Vice are just "edgy" Buzzfeed
I know, right? This is a real eye opener to me. I had no idea they were this ruthless / greedy with people they want to show. I can't imagine what contracts other people have signed without really realizing just how much control they are giving to Vice. Meanwhile they try to present themselves as concerned about human or workers rights!
@@damienholland8103 I bet in poor countries they probably pay even less than the 750 they are offering him.
It's a TV network, of course they're corporate monsters
Not since espn bought them years ago
3:16 "VTV shall exclusively own all now known or hereafter existing rights of every kind throughout the universe" UNIVERSE. Think big or go home.
legally binding contract in the Church of Scientology
Find a black hole and send the contract through it. The it is only valid in that universe and is no longer binding in this universe since it is no longer present in this universe
A failure to specify the precise Universe in which "it" (here to fore referencing the original 15 page contract as submitted to Mr. Rossman) remain valid is a contractual flaw in the contract. By the way how do we reference our universe as opposed to the other universe? I suppose we will have to send a google mapping probe through the black hole and use its result to delineate our universe from "The other Universe" Her to fore designated as TOU for contractual purposes on Page 16 sub paragraph 134, section 3 sentence 8, line 1137, words 6 through 18.
Am I the only one that found that stipulation really unnerving?
Billy Corgan said the smashing pumpkins contract said, "in this universe and all other universes not yet discovered. So, if they discover another dimesnion, they can sell them Smahing Pumkins cd's. Seems legit.
This is the best video on RUclips right now.
RUclips kept pushing this video into the recommendations, but I thought 51min of Louis would get boring really fast. Even the cat called it quits after 38min. But boy, was I wrong!
That type of contract would have damage your life style beyond repair, so thank you for being who you are! I follow your videos for the education AND for the host's snarky remarks and jokes, my skills have improved tenfold and I'm not even a repair technician, just a DIY amateur. I'm now able to repair stuff I never dreamed of!
At the end of videos, you'd always tell us, "I hope your learned something".
Indeed, two years is never too late to learn. This video is an important lesson in scrutinizing a contract.
Dude, I have less than 10,000 subs and I wouldn't take this deal.
But what would be the real kicker is if Apple was paying them to do this to stop you.
+Craig Bennett II now we're getting into "who killed Kennedy" territory...
Louis Rossmann
It was a joke.
But seriously, this is a good video. I was in the middle of making a video on knowing the line when you play dirty, and i seen you had this up. Because it kinda fits into what I am talking about in the video, I'm going to reference it and link it.
it could very well be that though. Might be tough to prove. But i've heard of random stories about how some company sent out some crap like this to get the person(s) / "Artists" to quit doing what they do willfully.
gbowne1
Funny thing is, I know that's something I would do to get someone to play nice or get them out of the game. But I would put more effort into it.
yeah, not a very smart move if that's their intent.
I watched a 51 minute video of you discussing a contract.
And the most important thing is you can fucking swear as much as you want here!
Flaggot. I like that. Thank you.
I will start using the term "flaggot" from now on. Thank you.
Isn't RUclips Heroes supposed to be dead by now?
After all they told us to do whatever we can to make RUclips a better place so reporting their own videos wouldn't be a bad idea...
Fuck the fucking fuckers!
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You hit trending, I assume it is related to the Vice in the title. Videos about and containing vice have been trending on youtube lately, generally not in a positive light either.
I guess that explains it, for most it's on home screen recommending this video, same for me (he going to get a noticeable spike on this particular video if he looks at that often)
@@leexgx he already noticed it. Google be praise, by the algorithm!
Political interest has it's benefits. Then again, better be ready for whiplash.
Just trust me kid, I'm gonna make you a star!
just sign this little contract here, everything will be fine.
If thats not the WORSE contract ever, well it must be CLOSE
i wouldnt sign that contract for my music if my life depended on it - these companies are trying to squash our hobbies/ careers/ dreams
Worst contract is from Britain's Got Talent. SICO (Simon Cowell's company) fits total control of your life, image, all content you have or ever will create, all your money, and all of your social interactions into a single signature- with zero liability.
Viceland? Great, allow me to remove all their media from my shortcuts.
Don't know why this old video was in my recommendations but you just got a new subscriber, this is great.
And this is why I am subscribed to your channel. Love your stuff man. My support isn't about "giving it to the man" but I support your honest professional and very funny opinions on a lot of the stuff you cover.
Never quite liked vice, they always had a distrustful "hello fellow kids" aura about them. now I know why.
I’m here in 2019! Found you videos about a month ago and I just love you up front straightforward approach. So entertaining 🤣
It sounds like they were asking you to film, light, purchase equipment, and come up with the content, which inevitably they would be asking you to dumb down. $1,500 per episode for a cable TV show is a fucking joke.
The power of the RUclips algorithm
He got the algo blessing.
Me too
Ikr
Dude , you have become a menace to someone who wants to take you down. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !
Appeared as the first video on youtube for me, it was right under an apple ad. Thank you for not selling yourself, you are a man of the people.
One of the most amazing videos I’ve seen for a while
YES. YES. YES.
These leeches need a good smashing.
This is literally legal-scams 101.
This shit needs more exposure so as to prevent more naive creators from losing their entire lives to these corporate-syringes.
dude good shit. keep staying true to your work ethic man I learn a lot from your videos
Louis, I have worked in the TV biz and you are hit the nail on the head. I know of contracts like this, I have seen them signed, and they are unofficially literally known in the hallways as 'the fuck'm over contract'. And as a sidenote, I have no interest in repairing laptops. I DO watch all your videos for your bubbly personality. I like your honesty, I like your fuck against the fuck-behaviour of Apple, so I give you the advertising revenue you deserve. Because you deserve it. You work for it. You don't try to leech off the fame of others. You, sir, have my respect.
This is an absolute master class in RUclips rants!
I just stumbled across your channel and watched a couple of your repair videos which are great. Then I ran across THIS particular video. Holy shit, lol. I LOVE IT!
The link to the original video of yours that I watched came up in a feed of suggested videos while I was watching a video called, "Apple: It's Good If You Like CRAP" that I found after getting disgusted (for the umteenth time lately) with the deterioration in the quality of Apple hardware and software.
Vice is a sinking ship. Forget about it
Now I'm waiting for a Vice documentary on Viceland's and Viceland Legals own behaviour. XD
Vice lost their edge the second they took $500m from Disney. Mickey Mouse and Vice?! What Playboy wasn't available?
Won't happen, this is old news. This contract has screwed over other RUclipsrs. Naomi Wu is still fucked from these cunts.
The per-episode compensation is an outrage. That alone is a huge red flag. Viceland is an appropriate name, and we might emphasize the vice part. Sounds like another Apple. I am a bit suspicious that the whole shebang is a ruse to extract out information that you might not otherwise reveal.
Your video provides a warning to other content creators and should serve to prevent what fortunately did not overcome you.
the per episode salary wasn't as much the issue to me as them putting their hand in my cookie jar. I hope it does discourage others from signing this contract!
As both an electronics engineer, and then as a viewer, I find enormously practical wisdom in your work and see tremendous talent in your personality, energy and honesty. In this opinion I may be firing from the hip: you're talents are worth far more than those pages of legalese respect and recognize. Such may be difficult to see from the inside.
I'd seek out someone who understands the potential and who will look out for your interests first.
+k1mgy thank you!
I've been watching your channel for a year. I just subscribed to your channel today. One lesson I have learn is, don't get happy to fast. I noticed that you now have over 800,000 subscriber. It's obvious you made the right decision.
mate, out of principle, I have but the utmost respect for you standing by what you believe in. It just popped up my RUclips feed because I watched few recent videos of yours over the last couple of days.
Seriously, no one should fuck with Louis, he's literally the smartest and realest entrepreneur I have ever seen lmao.
Yeah - you're on point there. Wouldn't want to piss him off thats for sure :D
I'm surprised he went that far down that road. I have a nothing channel, and I was contacted by a "media company" who claimed they wanted to contract with me to buy my videos for hundreds of dollars. Of course, it was a shotgun approach to get the rights to as many videos as possible from as many people as possible, in case any of them turn out to have any commercial value.
Louis, they already got you, when you spent so much time reading the contract. How much do you charge per hour?
Landrew0 i could see your argument but this was viceland, and he has content monetization to lose. Not a fly by night company buying "content". I think you should watch again and learn something from it.
And this gives us a little clue as to why so many celebrities in the entertainment industry seem so stupid. They ARE stupid, because they probably were dumb enough to sign one of these types of contracts.
I joined precisely at that same time, with the "Unauthorized Idiot" video, and I've never seen you that pissed off and plain angry. To be fair, this contract sounds outrageous.
YOU are the only person on the internet that can get me to watch a 1 hour rant youtube video. You're awesome dude.
Louis forever! Saw it on my recommended videos. Super passionate and amazingly well spoken and delivered. Hats off to you sir!
I come here for the bubbly personality.
I came here for when he does voice acting.
The section regarding the royalty payments actually has a much more evil payload than you gave it credit for. It allows them to collect royalties until 2 years after the initial airing of the final episode, but the later severability clause means that if they exercise their right granted earlier to cancel producing the show altogether, you would be stuck paying royalties forever without them having done a single thing except sign the contract with you.
they could pay me $1500 for one episode in exchange for 10% of my *gross* revenue streams, not even net(I should re-read to confirm though, it is midnight)....That's a nice $4000-$10,000/month passive income they'd make just for paying $1500 for one episode upfront.
I would like to see what Vice replied to your concerns!
Like with many other recent commenters, it simply showed up in my home feed. And what an enjoyable and satisfying video to watch. In fact, there has been a huge increase in my home feed digging out interesting and enjoyable older videos in recent weeks.
I sat through the whole video. I learned a lot. Hope you never sell out. I like your content as it is. Basically, what I understand, is that you created a brand, that they see is making money and they want to monazite and control what you do with it. Basically your signing the rights over to yourself, your brand and what you do, to them.
RUclips recommendation brought me here. You also have a new subscriber.
Your characterizing of talent recruitment by "let's you and me make me rich" exploiters is spot on.
I was lucky. My contract with a tech magazine allowed me to keep my created content with no strings attached. OTH the monthly articles I wrote for them over a couple worked out to $6/hr. A musician friend of mine almost signed a contract with a Nashville talent agent that amounted to 7 years of indentured. servitude. Want to hear some real horror stories, talk to high tech engineers who signed with head hunters.
Never bend over to pick up the soap a talent recruiter dropped.
The entire video TL;DR translates to:
Dear Vice, I'M LOUIS ROSSMANN, BITCH!
Thank you for uploading this, I am Sub’d but it just showed up in views. I am a freelance photographer and we are also dealing with insane contracts, it’s a bold new era of shamelessness and I love how nonchalant the people who send these contracts are about it
A good friend turned me on to this channel, and it’s very refreshing and informative, not to mention HILARIOUS. I’ll just ask what I think is the most obvious question: Does ANYONE sign a contract such as this? Obviously the answer is yes... but why? SAD! Thanks for the content Louis👍
I realize you channeled business louis but that kind of contract deserves a much... more stark response.
I feel like you should've sent a reverse contract that states that the litigator(s) who worked on creating and delivering a legally binding document to the artist hereby agree to perform a singular insertion of spiked object into a bodily orophase designated by the artist no later than 3 days from the artist's request of such an action, instigated verbally. the contract includes all existing litigator(s) retained by VTV as of the time of the contract.
+SiriusXification that assumes I even want to do this. I don't. I just figured I'd go along for the ride and see what they offered and what they offered was garbage. I don't feel like negotiating or begging for a job I never asked for in the first place.
That was supposed to be legalspeak for telling them to shove a cactus up their ass.
... But it's late and it was unsuccessful.
SiriusXification doh. i didn't read your entire comment. my bad :(
Oh, and congratulations on 200k subscribers!
i admire your strength and fortitude. you deserve to hold your head high and walk tall.
More than entertaining - this was educational and your commentary was enlightening. Thanks for sharing!
You da boss !!!... Here's one for you... "You can clearly see we are one big, happy 'family' here and we want you to be part of our 'family', do you honestly think we would do anything nefarious to you ?"...
I thought Vice was cool... I am really disappointed now.
They used to be cool I think
vice was build on fake news and propaganda for contract....... please read on it seriously. they made fake canibal "reporting" and invented facts to get views
Vice was never cool. They have done this to other RUclipsrs and really screwed them over. Vice has always been a bunch of wankers.
Vice is what Yelp is to restaurant. You pay up we make nice piece about you. You dont pay we will make things up and destroy your business.
A few years back, I was contacted by Leftfield Pictures (producers of "Pawn Stars" and other shows that have led to the decline of American television). The agent who called me was extremely vague about what the purpose of the conversation was... she just wanted me to send in some additional information on what I do (and how). So, I compiled a portfolio of some of the projects I'd worked on, and sent it in. I haven't heard back. My channel is incredibly random, and has a fairly small (but loyal) following. I cannot even imagine what the hell they saw in my channel that triggered a "We need to contact this guy - NOW!" reaction.
Sounds like the kind of phone call you get if you sue Uber. Did they also call your friends and say they wanted to do a show about you and ask for dirt?
Great video as always Louis. I thought a lot of Viceland's content was of a pretty good quality, but hearing the specifics of this contract makes me think otherwise about supporting them. Maybe it's better for those without a business like you mentioned. It just feels a little cheapened now, the fact that they're most likely banking on people getting fucked over just to be on cable television.
+TheBigBrett I don't mind people still liking their content, I would just hope that this video inspired potential artists to read their contract and think about the ramifications of signing it if they already have something going for them in their career.
Louis Rossmann Oh, yeah I think it's human nature to not read contracts closely. To your last note in the video, I did learn something! Haha.
This just got recommended to me by RUclips, but I've watched a couple of your videos in the past couple of years so maybe that's how it makes sense?
Anyways, thanks for sharing this contract. It's amazing what these companies want to get away with (and actually do sometimes, otherwise they wouldn't keep trying!).
PS: you made me work for that affiliate program number (as I know nothing about electronics in general, let alone Apple), but it was fun.
This just sounds like "someone" trying to legit fuck up your business and make it harder to continue what you are already doing.
Thank you for not letting any big business shit on you! You set a fantastic example for other small business owners/content creators to follow! Fucking KEEP IT UP Louis!!!
Wow that is like " i come uninvited, you will work for me, you pay me, all of you belongs to me"
Most people would have jumped on such a contract just to be on TV. This is what I respect about Louis, He can't just be bought.He has his personal values, and sticks to them.
it sounds like ViceLand is hurting for cash .
They're turning on their own niggas. Unforgivable.
I watch videos you made YEARS ago and still find them just as informative and entertaining as the day you uploaded them, i will be part of your youtube family forever!
It's one I had not yet viewed, and now I'm glad that I did. Good thing you are educated to read contracts and not a fame seeking person. Thanks Louis! and 790k subscribers!
I've had business/employment contracts put in front of me that I've whipped out a highlighter and said "see all that in yellow? I'd like that removed" lol
Wait VICELAND which is part of VICE did this sh*T?
Son of a ....
Exactly what I thought! In the beginning it was my impression that this is just the TV-world equivalent of the nigerian prince trying to give you millions for a small check-fee... But VICE?!?!?!
If you were to be dumb enough to sign this shit, how did you ever open a youtube channel, make videos of you speaking coherently and upload them? - That's just fucking ridiculous...
Vice is just as scummy as any other media company. They're just new enough that they haven't gotten complacent about hiding it yet.
Rupert Murdoch owns 75% of VICE...
Consumer Research He also owns pretty much all of Fox, but VICE and Fox are on 2 very different ends of the spectrum.
They straight up insulted you by offering you that contract.
I think I would have read and seen through this contract, but thanks for the knowledge about people who try to get you excited to take advantage of you. That’s real advice.
Showed up in my feed....entertaining as hell! And you are bang on in your assessment!