When JK speaks, you just shut everything up and listen. Don't agree with him, disagree with him, follow him, or reply to him. Just, listen. We have the beautiful gift of listening, so that we can use it to listen to this great man. ❤❤🙏
And yet if you just listen he'll ask if anybody is getting him and ask you to please think and if you think he'll tell you not to think that. For such an enlightened person, whose writing flows seamlessly, I find it odd that he doesn't seem to know how to flow with another person when trying to transmit knowledge. He failed to transmit most of his profound wisdom.
The observation is not seeking or seeing whatever perceived by senses , observation is not an objective view or structure of reality, it’s the argument behind the conclusion and statements of the individual that make the decision based on what is perceived as subjective and what isn’t to based on harmonic motion in general relativity as a measurement to be balanced in terms of balanced energy into the overall structure of the system in the universe
Qd on écoute, on vibre c’est ça la différence. Et on essaye de traduire ce qu’on sent pour en être conscient et en faisant ça on détourne la vibration, comme on fait avec l’@emotion en la sentimentalisant.
I follow what he's saying, but I can't resolve the answer for if it's possible. Time is a series of preconceived notions. Humans are strategy machines, so the moment we apply an "idea" to a thing, we're no longer just "observing" it, we're measuring, labeling, applying anticipation of state changes, deciding if "it" will lead to more or less suffering, etc. I think he's asking if we can ever truly see or hear a thing simply for the raw data, the raw reality it is... which I guess to human beings who rely on sensory functions would just be....feeling the sensory nerve impulses as they ping around in our brains? And that's where I get lost or perhaps feel the answer is "No, not possible", since , isn't the nature of the waking mind always the Allegory of the Cave in practice?
Rightly questioned/quoted. I think, we just need to be present and be the witness without participating with a focus. It’s kind of when human beings gets lost in the moment. He is physically present yet absent. Here, absent should be replaced by stillness/thoughtlessness/ observing. Now, this is my perspective.
I don't know if i understand correctly, but what i see is that measurements in relationship between people and other living organisms like trees and so on is destructive. We need to measure to build a house and we need time for it, but we don't need it when we walking in the wood or talking to a friend.
So we should not measure the reward or punishment through time, our mind must be completely free…!! Ok then my question is how can we survive in today’s world without thinking about basic survival needs like food or water…to earn money we have to think and put some hard work to achieve that reward (eg: money or Food & clothes) Ok if I observe everything through clear and completely free mind what I am gonna get in that…?
Educated that way? Well, then who taught the first person to think in terms of reward and punishment? All living organisms move towards and away pleasure and pain, reward and punishment.
Simply talking about reward and punishment on the psychological scale, not the physiological as you are saying. If you enter the realm of reward and punishment through the mind, then there is no question of rising above that. Everything, every reward, and every punishment can be made-up in the mind. The body does not have that luxury, so it must be that way. But reward and punishment has no place in the mind.
What is Krishnamurti? Is he an exception? An exceptional man or a human being as he/she actually is, but he/she is not? Is he an image on youtube or in a book? Is it something to listen to in order to feel good sometimes? A pill against frustration of daily life? If he is an exception to reward with the nobel prize we can go home and attend the end of this brutal destructive human species, the only destructive beast of all, the worst. Don't you see? Do you still think mankind is sane?
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When JK speaks, you just shut everything up and listen. Don't agree with him, disagree with him, follow him, or reply to him. Just, listen. We have the beautiful gift of listening, so that we can use it to listen to this great man. ❤❤🙏
i liked the interaction with him in this video! it held a little more insight, seemingly...you know, while i thought about it! haha
And yet if you just listen he'll ask if anybody is getting him and ask you to please think and if you think he'll tell you not to think that. For such an enlightened person, whose writing flows seamlessly, I find it odd that he doesn't seem to know how to flow with another person when trying to transmit knowledge. He failed to transmit most of his profound wisdom.
"Do we see it or we think we see it"? 🤩 he knew everything about how our minds behave.
I'm seeing my Inventions without ideas. I'm seeing so many things without ideas in my mind. ❤️🥰🥰❤️🥰🥰🌄☀️👍👍
But I didn't understand it well, can you explain it?
Listening without the movement of thought is a clear reception.
Very interesting, short and funny talk. ❤ K
Seeing without thinking. 🙏
A great conversation for self inquiry with jiddu Krishna murtiji ❤😊
Thanks for uploading these videos 🙏
Attention is like a flame that burns the past and future
Very nice
I love you for sharing this beautiful and simple analogy! It is very helpful ❤
The observation is not seeking or seeing whatever perceived by senses , observation is not an objective view or structure of reality, it’s the argument behind the conclusion and statements of the individual that make the decision based on what is perceived as subjective and what isn’t to based on harmonic motion in general relativity as a measurement to be balanced in terms of balanced energy into the overall structure of the system in the universe
Qd on écoute, on vibre c’est ça la différence. Et on essaye de traduire ce qu’on sent pour en être conscient et en faisant ça on détourne la vibration, comme on fait avec l’@emotion en la sentimentalisant.
Gostaria de ter o vídeo completo de onde esse trecho foi retirado, por favor.
Its when you see the idea without an idea.....
“I can assume it is so, but I go on the rest of my life moving in the other direction… Do we *see* it? Or is it, we *think* we see it?” 10:30
He's asking us to dismantle the schemata 😊❤
There were trolls even back then. And of course JK knew how to handle them. This is fun.
I follow what he's saying, but I can't resolve the answer for if it's possible. Time is a series of preconceived notions. Humans are strategy machines, so the moment we apply an "idea" to a thing, we're no longer just "observing" it, we're measuring, labeling, applying anticipation of state changes, deciding if "it" will lead to more or less suffering, etc. I think he's asking if we can ever truly see or hear a thing simply for the raw data, the raw reality it is... which I guess to human beings who rely on sensory functions would just be....feeling the sensory nerve impulses as they ping around in our brains? And that's where I get lost or perhaps feel the answer is "No, not possible", since , isn't the nature of the waking mind always the Allegory of the Cave in practice?
Rightly questioned/quoted. I think, we just need to be present and be the witness without participating with a focus. It’s kind of when human beings gets lost in the moment. He is physically present yet absent. Here, absent should be replaced by stillness/thoughtlessness/ observing. Now, this is my perspective.
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When I observe myself wanting to be able to follow in depth what Krishnamurti is talking about I am at a loss as to what my next action should be
Stat in this state of not knowing
It shouldn't be. When it is, it is.
I don't know if i understand correctly, but what i see is that measurements in relationship between people and other living organisms like trees and so on is destructive.
We need to measure to build a house and we need time for it, but we don't need it when we walking in the wood or talking to a friend.
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I wonder if we SEE what he said 🤔
It must be free of the movement of measurement lest it be caught in its trap.
Unico insostenibile per favore sottotitoli Italiano grazie ❤
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So we should not measure the reward or punishment through time, our mind must be completely free…!!
Ok then my question is how can we survive in today’s world without thinking about basic survival needs like food or water…to earn money we have to think and put some hard work to achieve that reward (eg: money or Food & clothes)
Ok if I observe everything through clear and completely free mind what I am gonna get in that…?
Im so confused
You are not alone
for instance, how do you observe the World War II?
I don't understand how you can listen to an idea without having an idea. Because in other words words and ideas are just concepts without meaning.
I wonder what he's saying about... listen
Sir the title is wrong. Seeing without idea is not possible. The whole damn thing is an idea.😅
Educated that way? Well, then who taught the first person to think in terms of reward and punishment? All living organisms move towards and away pleasure and pain, reward and punishment.
Simply talking about reward and punishment on the psychological scale, not the physiological as you are saying. If you enter the realm of reward and punishment through the mind, then there is no question of rising above that. Everything, every reward, and every punishment can be made-up in the mind. The body does not have that luxury, so it must be that way. But reward and punishment has no place in the mind.
What is Krishnamurti? Is he
an exception? An exceptional man or a human being as he/she actually is, but he/she is not? Is he an image on youtube or in a book? Is it something to listen to in order to feel good sometimes? A pill against frustration of daily life? If he is an exception to reward with the nobel prize we can go home and attend the end of this brutal destructive human species, the only destructive beast of all, the worst. Don't you see? Do you still think mankind is sane?