Come to meditation freshly, innocently | J. Krishnamurti
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Come to meditation freshly, innocently | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the seventh public talk in Saanen, 1978.
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Great 👍 ❤
i can feel divine fragrance when this man speaks
Who is the "I", the "experiencer" which can feel that "divine fragrance"?
Funny 🤣
@@ti2218 😂😅🤭🙃🤸🏿♂️
Nothing divine about it, just a man speaking honestly about thought
You can not invite truth, it will come without invitation.🌼
This is all I needed to listen 🙏
There was a time when Krishnamurti did not know any of the things he talks about.
He had to discover everything himself.
The revolutionary aspect of Krishnamurti is that he did not fit his discoveries into the framework of accepted Authority.
Each of us has to make our own discovery.
There is no shortcut.
But Krishnamurti has given us a sense of the 'dynamics' of discovery.
My contribution to understanding this dynamic is :
Discover the meaning of 'Observation without the Observer'
This is the first fundamental dynamic that unlocks all further revelation.
It is the dynamic that calms the mind.
The calmed mind will pick up the hints and subtleties that bring further discovery.
Note: there is nothing you can do to coerce yourself into understanding.
You have to give up 'trying' to understand.
All ulterior motives have to end.
Because they will distort what you see.
What you observe now, when ulterior motives come to an end is called the Truth.
The Truth will set you free.
It is maturity that gives up, not weakness.
So toughen up (don't be a victim of self pity and don't puff yourself up) - - - this is maturity.
With good luck you will discover 'Observation without the Observer'.
If you do, then the real maturity begins.
Because such Observation sees your problems with clarity (Truth).
You will not linger in pain or shame (because these things will also be seen clearly).
This is calming.
Anxiety disappears.
You can still be sad but it doesn't morph into self pity.
You can even meditate on your problems - in such a way that they are no longer problems - - but are seen as life itself, in all its shades of light and dark.
beautifully put together ❤
Thank you so much, JK ji! Thank you so much for uploading the original talks , JKF members! Very grateful ! 🙏🙂
Thank you
A marvellous and beautiful Saint.🙏🙏
absolute immaculate ！
So personal, sincere, so passionate and intoxicating at the end ❤️
Thank you sir 🙏🙏
for the benefit of the viewers ......first i went thru ...ARE YOU SERIOUS ENOUGH TO LIVE A LIFE OF TOTAL ORDER BY K...THEN ...COME TO MEDITATION FRESHLY.......I benefitted a lot....
Bonjour de France. Thanks to technology, we still, many years after his physical death, hear and fallow the path of the master. May he rest in Love.
Yes brother, feel like blessed, see inspite of it all available I still suffer sometimes, but what misery I might have to endure in absence of it.
Now life becomes a celebration ☘🍀🌻🌼 no longer hangover no longer measurement. Beginning life as a fresh and new.
I learn more about how he talks, how he approaches the audience, how he conveys his thoughts more so than the content.
Why do you all just compliment him? Like it has any value? Why don't you put that energy into enquiring, instead of making Krishnamurti some kind of hero?
You comment "beautiful❤", like you really understand what JK wants you to know! Those comments are not only disgusting, but also destructive! You are turning his sincere words into an "saint" image!
They only praise his eloquence nothing wrong about that. Although I can recognize I see the same thing in the comment section as the thing I say to myself in my head sometimes, thinking I have understood it all lol
@@Avonbarksdaleable It's the same strategy they do to destroy Buddhism. Nowadays nobody actually read what Buddha said in Asia. They just worship him. Those manipulated minds are actually intentional: If the influence is too big to slander, they turn it to a “good” image instead. The outcome is the same: neutralization of knowledge.
Idolatry separates us from the Sacred while Appreciation of the Beautiful brings us closer to realizing the inner home of Truth.
You bring up an important consideration; Are we worshipping the person or appreciating the Beauty that the Divine has created.
Perfect. Exactly. Krishnamurti doesn't matter. No one does. Our own inquiry matters most. Think it's human psyche to revere others.
This Is really meditation.
Krishnamurti non è un guru ne un mistico ne un Mahatma ne un filosofo. Krishnamurti è un liberatore. Lui insegna cos'è la vera meditazione.
Absolutely beautiful
What a beautiful mind ! Its a master piece.
Gotta Love Krishnamurti. What a beautiful, lovely being. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Oh Lord, for Krishnamurti.
9:06 The present being measured by the past
15:11 look completely
18:20 a piece of mind
20:36 No gateway between you and truth
The very 'idea' or 'doing' meditation prevents one from approaching it freshly, innocently. The 'doer' of meditation with his systems, practices, conclusions and efforts actually corrupts meditation. Corruption being to break things apart,to fragment, to degenerate. To meditate is to gather total energy, the operation of the whole of the brain, to come upon something that is timeless, original and pristine. Without dissolving the ego, the self, the 'me' ; it is not possible to have an open entry into the world of meditation. To meditate is to be aware of eternity!!!
Your comment was great until you started with "to meditate is to..." Contradicting your own comment.
Such a glory and calmness in & out while listening.😊
The end of all struggles and sufferings is the meditative state. All is accomplished without any effort. Thanks for uploading this video.
Biggest awareness that one can acheive is that ' I ' dont exist.Meditation is not required,nothing is required ,it will come once you are free ,free of brain.
Nice video.
Yes true “……like a child - fresh, innocent, curious…..” Truly yes - Hindu saying - if you want to fill your pot with drinking water, let your pot be empty, clean and right side up.
BUT,
Process is also important. A child might like to learn to write lying on his back and his feet on the air, but the teacher will not allow it because she knows the child might take forever to learn to write that way.
“Measurement is Illusion - to find the immeasurable, the mind must be free of measure.” - Yes !
AND,
Ancient Indians also gave importance to “Experience” (actually termed “Non Indirect Experience”). In fact they gave it the most importance over Sensory Perception (Direct) and Inference (Indirect), because the latter two are dependent on corruptible instruments of senses and mind. Direct experience means independent of these, and hence gives more clarity. The term Non Indirect Experience is specifically used to contrast it with the Direct Sensing and Indirect Inference.
The Indian way of thought has 2 major aspects to it - “Discernment” and “Dispassion”. Especially Advaita vision is arrived at via logic, but with a strong backing of these two.
Hinduism view of non measurement is more like a state you reach, but yet you do use measurement to reach that state. They clearly prescribe it this way - “use the thorn of knowledge to pull out the thorn of ignorance from your body, and then you have to toss away the thorn of knowledge too, it is not meant to be left inside your body”.
I guess what JK means by Attention is what no dual Hindu sages meant by Witness Consciousness. Then things fall in place neatly.
“…deep understanding - not intellectual….” Yes!.... When there is no centre …the mind is completely quiet….”.
Practicing to “quiet the mind” is the way of Yoga. In the way of Advaita, it is to understand by discernment, the true nature of mind (keeping it in its right place, in order, not preventing it), as an object to the subject Witness, and to be Dispassionate about the mind, and true “Experience” will happen of the Absolute Reality. (But a process is prescribed for it, or you can get lost in the search).
“The ending of the self “ is an archaic expression from the beginning when people started to explain Hinduism to the west, which creates some confusions. Gurus better explain it as the ending of the “Identity”, so the True “Self” can be recognized as The Subject which is not different from The Absolute.
Very nice closing statements -
“It will come to you without invitation, you cannot invite it” There is no path to the truth, there is no any thing between you and the truth (when you are the Absolute, where is there to go to find it? ).
That is ecstasy - Hinduism call it “Anandam” The Blissful state of neither joy or sorrow, nor pain/pleasure…etc… . Non Duality.
Ok, let’s start this right away: observe without reaction.
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Every Thing in its right place 🧠❤️🩹😎👍🙏🏻
How do you understand "putting everthing in the right place"?
When the entity that is trying to understand has subsided. There is no demand anymore to separately understand.
Measure implyes a point of reference. In comparison. Always mind. Mind, mind and more mind. Boring
Not comparing is a Buddhist idea
I like too much his very last word of this speech which is '' BASTA'' Krishnamurti speaks exactly like the Amerindians or also jésus Christ ''' see just see the extraordinary beauty of this sacred World around us. Stop measurement from the mind , just open the eyes and in doing so in front of the beauty the Heart IS opening his beauty inside
Crux of his teachings, great soul jk 🙏
19:00 blessed moment, zero effort, as one sticks to what is.
Thankyou kind Sir' for sharing.. everlasting beauty, these words have. 🙏🏽
thank you, will make shorter clips on this. Good one for these times
Much much grateful for your love and presence
His words are hard for those people who are living far away from truth.
Quel homme magnifique, dirais je un vrai humain qui questionne questionne "se sortir du conditionnement" Merci J.K inqualifiable pour ne pas le nommé
Listening in 2022
Yes because it was uploaded Yesterday in 2022 🤦
Was JK Sir an enlightened person? He too seems to find some not so good things about our creation. Like the Gurus etc. He says if everything is at its right place then the mind is at rest.
Beautiful✨✨
But one thing am not getting
Awareness is ok to be aware of surroundings, but concentration is the energy which we put into something but it also creates centre that is it might lead to illusion bcz concentration can be disturbed unlike attention where there is no centre, .. It means concentration leads to illusion, self centred activity, .. Plz correct me on this point
Concentration needs focus energy... And you need to make a effort. So you maintain this state only few intervals..... Distracted easily after some time.
So your point is right thoughts create illusion
And also concentration implies duality, effort and hence conflict
Absolutely amazing… I am enthralled..
I love his definition of art: it is exactly what he says.
fantastic!!!!!!
Lots of meditating people still looks for magic & cosmo.... But lost their common sense... I m trying to find why ? Escaping from reality 🧐
All that this man said will catch up in a very big way. Thank you!
🥰🙏🙏🙏, extremely thankful.
Good 👍
Yes Sir if the field is in ORDER it comes to us naturally ...NO EFFORT NEEDED...
I never realized just how much a genuine rebel against the system Krishnamurti was, he’s even calling out Maharishi Mahesh Yogi’s movement which I was slightly convinced was genuine, but I love this man’s unwavering investigating, never telling others what meditation is but shows the door.
What is, is. Thought’s right place is with what is, only. Put it on leach. Truth is not what is, but beyond, in the unknown.
This is unbelievable talk by JK. Thanks for uploading such videos.
20:50
NO! Truth has a path...ORDER.
Breathtakingly truthful. I'm hearing: K walked the walk.
"they are all as crooked as the rest of the world" laughed my heart out, so much sincerity... Thank you
The 'experience' lesson to see myself and put back that all from what it arise
If there is no measurement there is no Technologie, no fighting we'll that's true
Meaningful speech.Thanks for posting.
Esse cara ta marolano
Jk is the best
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Precious words and teaching!
This talk is brilliant!
Oh wonderful
Yes, every atom
This man❤
🌹👏🏽🌹👏🏽🌹👏🏽🌹
masterpiece
Simply Amazing
16:30
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