Why do you tolerate suffering? | J. Krishnamurti
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Why do you tolerate suffering? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the fifth public talk in Ojai, 1977.
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And then you come back after a month, a year, a few years since nothing has really changed
I agree with Artem can you share your story?
The speaker is always so eloquent and gets to the root of many questions, thank you for sharing
“When sorrow ends, there is not only wisdom but there is also tremendous passion which has got nothing to do with desire.”
“Sorrow is a summation of energy. If we try to escape from it, by seeking comfort from it, then you are dissipating the energy that you need to meet this thing.”
“So don’t escape from suffering ( be it physical/psychological) but remain with it and not identify yourself with it because you are that suffering.”
“All energy is present to meet this extraordinary thing that has happened and out of that comes passion.”
You are that suffering ? Isn't it just a bunch of thoughts? I am not a thought, I am not my mind, so how can I be that suffering if I am just the awareness of it?
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Totally agree
So well said
Pay attention to what he says...
Don't pay attention to the speaker.
Your mind will create another trap by doing that
Nothing satisfy me more than Ks words in all issues of life. His words are light and healing to my life
Many thanks. Sir, for me you are the best manifestation of love and compassion. Which as You say is to remain with suffering and not escape from it.
I and my thoughts cause of all problems itself: J. Krishnamurti sir.
When sorrow ends there is not only wisdom but immense passion ❤
He is always very concerned about the audience's comprehension
Is that his deep caring for us, for humanity?
I've been following J's talks for a while now but now and again I find it difficult. I don't even think I have the English to explain it clearly myself - but I'll try.
JK uses words like a mathematician uses numbers. But the image I've so far concluded from the teachings is this:
I imagine a coin. The coin has 2 sides. A front and a back. Or should I say, a plus and minus.
This is the rule of "karma" or "dependent origination". When you create something (any concept) you, by definition also create its opposite. That is duality. That is creation.
Duality is created by action and whatever action is done also gives rise to the opposite action being possible (if I move forward, from that, therefore, I can also move back). This is the energy (action) which turns the coin - but the energy (action) and the coin are the same entity.
You are here because of many turns of the coin.
Here comes the hard part. The coin has to be flipped on it's side so you see the edge. So you are not seeing the front or back face of the coin (duality), but the edge of the coin (nonduality). When one sees that edge, they see, in fact, that your observations are not separate *from you*, but a recording *of you.*
What you observe is a recording of everything you've been in the past due to past action. It's memory. It's just our brains think in terms of duality, so we assume we are separate from our observations.
So when you see the beggar on the street, you were that. When you see the lawyer, you were that. When you see the priest, the gardener, the king, the queen, the soldier - you were all that. What you observe on the outside is literally "a recording of your past". Everything you see, you've already been.
Realizing this, you are no longer a "participant in thought" (the sides of the coin), but a "witness of thought" (the edge of the coin).
Seeing the edge of the coin is no different than seeing a spool of film. When you realize intuitively that your observations is actually the past, - your past - the search actually stops, the self dies, and you become a witness of what is actually a recording of your past self(s).
Incredible breakdown
If I could extend your corollary, once you see the edge you no longer see the sides. There was only the edge to start with.
Also I find a lot of commonalities of JK's teachings with Advaita Vedanta. I am watching a movie on the screen when there is separation. When the coin falls on the edge, I am the screen, I am the characters on the screen, I am the light that projects the characters on the screen, I am the projector and finally I am the observer. Or in words on Swami Vivekenanada - Brahman (the edge) alone is, everything else (sides) is not.
Uncredibly explaind thank you!!
What you wrote is your perception, or as you mentioned a concluded image based on jk talks. But he is not a guru, why don't you find truth for yourself? He shows how to look
Thank you for this great explanation
Millions millions thanks for pointing out
Thanks to speaker and uploaders.
Living with this teaching
Thank you very much again. Sir, I strongly agree with what you said "to give attention to this because nobody will tell you these things". Mr. JKrishnamurti, sir, for me You are the only one genuine enough to tell us all these things.
Hope the world can one day wake up from the materialistic nightmare , a world led by genuine human beings like this man...A true human...
So true. We've lived among robots long before AI. I'm struggeling to be awake and notice my own robotic tendencies, but it's hard. I think there is hope for all of us though, and I believe that there is a brighter future ahead (call me naive).
Be with it. Sit with it. Not running away from it.✨✨✨
To remain with it without the movement of thought.
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Please please dubb these videos in hindi because there are so many people in our country who don't know english .
People need them
And other people translate them according their own understanding so as it is dubbing is required .
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It is the most spoken language in India
maybe offer to help with translations.... ?
Look at the subtitle settings in the auto-generated section. ALL languages are there.
Great spiritual teacher!
running away from living life and searching for the same thing😊. going in circles😊 not reaching anywhere. No need to run away from life or the thought of suffering. suffering follows like this. no need to search for life. some questions don't have answers . We are not evolved enough to understand. Acceptance gives relief. At the end man realises that they was nowhere to go and he has wasted his gift -life.
One of the only guys in history I would've liked to have a cup of tea and a sit down with
A great blessing to have this great spirit appear on this planet!💚
He says he is the world, and therefore you is he. In silence you are joined. So you are also the blessing
14:57 ‘I suffer,’ is put together by thought.
Precisely what I needed
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I had my realisation today. I understood I am nowhere . I am a concept put together by Thoughts. I think therefore I am. But i lost it very quickly again caught up in thoughts but i feel lonely because no one can understand this around me. No one wants to go into this.
Search what Krishnamurti said about loneliness. Dig, go deeper about it, observe.
Yes, is this a common reaction? That few people are interested in this. So do we have to be a light to ourselves?
Thank you Krishnamurti ji.
Suffering is result of our continuous fight between where ...We want to go ... and “He” wants to take us ..!!
Who is "He"?
Thy Will Not Mine
I believe he is the real you. But you have to realize it
@@praveshbharadwaj9806 the divine will
Is extremely hard for somone who spends his whole life living as a material person to grasp on these talks... I can see people how caught they are in this material world... it's unbelievable
Thank you sir 🕯️🙏🏽🕯️
I got it ! Thanks one of the most angry yet most compassionate Master we are blessed to have.
Poor child crying... J. Krish with timeless remedy for the world. Boom!
I kept wanting him to tell the parent to quiet the child. He said, “poor child.”
As always Sir speech is astounding!
Goes to the core as always
I never thought of suffering as some is needed or good...though what I was observing was...that suffering is created by being quiet in the dark with oneself or with what is and u r lead blindly...and 4 that= needs a awakening.. from this unaware dream state one can be in. The root needs 2 be pulled out= the same was Buddha has said= the same Krishnamutri speaks here about. Being dreamed into dreams and living in dreams...can quiet hide the obvious....therfore its called awakening or enlightening.❤
"There is the constant movement of desire", that is the essence of the problem/challenge of being human.
K do penetrate deeply and it shakes.... How passionate ans concern he is to set man free
The highest compassion, live in front of us, is delight and fortune.
Thank you
Absolute gold
Because we are used to it. From the very beginning..
I am very very grateful for this video. This helped me so much I can't even explain.
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Extremely helpful to me....I am just going through that mental agony now...I am happy and grateful to you guruji... should put it Into practice .. Thank you🙏🙏🙏
Jk jee has ready reply in respect of all menaces of mind, its cravings and one's suffering!!!. Why sufferring deters man/women from liberation? is the question boggles all of us...
The "karma", the past actions again the thoughts only along with TIME( operating in past, past and the future) leading to the state of various factors leading to our 'suffering...' is in constant play or movement thought.
Requirements of "I' over a period of TIME changes. So I suffer or enjoy with this form of " I". JK says " I" is the image built representing the individuality or idealism his/ her passion or desire. Sorrow being the essence of more energy met towards it and it remains as shadow. Jk jee says LEARN LESSON FROM SUFFERING and soon transformation takes place through compassion/love and sufferring grip is released.
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It has surely come up before but something that would be helpful to better understand Krishnamurti when he is speaking - because of his accent and at times the incomprehension of a certain word here and there, which can throw one off what he is saying - would be to caption his words on the screen, as is done with song lyrics or foreign language movies. Even though I have listened to him in person several times and seen many videos of his, yet do I still struggle with his pronunciation once in a while. I had to stop this video more that once to go back and rehear what he said to grasp it.
Wonderful
Wow 👏🏻👏🏻.Splendid. I get it
great men!
Facing suffering, pain, sorrow or however you like to call it, is a necessity. There is no escape, only further suffering masked as a temporary comfort.
Carl Jung was actually teaching very similar things with J Krishnamurti.
Ego is I which is heart when you don't get what you believe you deserve..!! Stay with sorrow clot totally..!!
So I will never ever say that I am hurt. Why? Because, whatever I am saying is a movement of thought. It means the feeling that I have is a story and not a reality because it is the content of the consciousness. It is a movement of thought put together as a feeling.
I is an image inside the content of consciousness.The hurt feeling is another image a story inside the content of the consciousness. How can the content of the consciousness get hurt from the content of the consciousness?
We are a collection of this thoughts, without it we become irrational...
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WOW!!! always 🙂
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Taking ownership or 'creating' suffering is a world of difference from being a victim of it. The same can be said for every phenomena we will ever encounter - then we are alert, full of attention like a leopard on the prowl. Don't give away the power of living.
very difficult one.
Gnana yoga 👌👌👌
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En español por favor, gracias.
Well, then. What is thought?
Could you share the link to whole video please.
Than you
It would seem that the I is the collection of memories that a person identifies with
The I is also just a thought...out of it comes u and we and so on...its all a mental play.
Everything is suffering in ignorance. Things that seems to give happiness is actually suffering. There is two types of suffering. External and internal (mental). Enlightened one do not suffer the second one which is internal (mental).
I tell folks the struggle isn't real...you can live your life and not suffer I feel.
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14:58: Who is the 'I' that suffers?
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At 9:26 Jim Morrison can be seen 😀
😭😭😭😭😭😭🙏🙏why I'm suffering
After understanding the core of suffering, you will stop suffering. Give some time dear....
I'm sorry radhika
Because there is 'i'. That is the message of the speak. The world suffer. Don't make it personal.
We see no way!
Why there is not many views on his videos and there are numerous absurd videos having millions views... This is also another kind of suffering to me 😅😅
Be hold to it
Don't escape from it by expressing
These two lines really changed me.
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Because human beings love suffering
I wonder if K will slowly become known by more people. Everything I’ve read suggests that he was the World Teacher that humanity needs. Possibly a turning point in human history? That’s what he tried to do, to change the direction of the human race.
but why he approached only to men
What?
Because they tied me with some fighter 🤬🤬😡😡🤬
There is no suffering in the mankind it always exit in dual mind. dual mind gives unnecessary entity to suffering on the screen ,one who perceives suffering their screen, on sec detach your dual screens ,then the man came to know that it was a senses black mailing, their remains with the real nature of happiness.
no escape...do it now
20:35 tdk mengidenfikasi....
23:21 welas asih mempunyai inteligentnya sendiri
Use the words of K as a mirror.Although the words are K's, the mirror is yours.The understanding of facts would then dissolve the mirror .
bujhili bhala rey .
There is no suffering at all ,suffering is also one off the human illusion.
No suffering is not a illusion also animals suffering and they have no self-consciousness and cannot think about the future. Suffering is very real
He's amazing but sometimes he irks me like: "Whom you THINK you love." Man come on that's just not fair. As wise as you may be sir you don't have a monopoly on understanding the concept of love sorry.
He takes a jab at language pc of using the word man. LOL Did you catch it? He said why does man and then he also reluctantly said woman, and then he said even the liberated woman. LOL ha ha. Even enlightened beings see the nonsense of PC.
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