Thank you for this video. I bought the box AOD box when it came out, and after deciding I wasn't painting hazard stripes, I went for Alpha Legion. But everything I watched, everything I read made them feel very restricted. Finally, I have found this video and feel free to do with them as I please. Maybe I'll even have the basic AOD infanty primed by the end of this weekend :-)
Something I really appreciate is how in the transition from 1st Ed to 2nd the focus shifted from the Saboteur's sabotage attack & choosing Infiltrate with Mutable tactics leading to a potent alpha (haha) strike that then became inconsequential for the rest of the game to a more well-rounded set of special rules that all stay relevant throughout. I'm very excited about baked-in Rewards of Treachery, I know they aren't the most optimal choice but I'm tempted to grab Contekars so my warlord is a ten-man Terminator squad with twenty wounds & heavy flamers (or Volkites). I'm also intrigued by using Mobius Config. Lots of chances to raid the bitz box and experiment with various Legions. Basically perfect for people like me who can't decide what they want to commit to.
The Power Dagger is deceptively strong in challenges vs another Sargeant. And at 5 points when you pay for it, it feels cheap enough you can probably squeeze one or two into a list without an issue
Agree. Was surprised when my Sergeant accepted a challenge against another wielding a scary looking power fist. I thought I was done for but realised I had AP3 with the dagger and killed the fella. Definitely better points economy for me.
Please note that the Saboteur's False Colours rule ONLY protects him from shooting attacks, even if he hasn't exposed himself he can still be charged and killed. So while he's good, don't get overconfident getting him too close to enemy units as they can just throw a chaff unit at him, force him to fight and invalidate False Colours, then shoot him off the board next turn. It's because of that, that I'm going to use Exodus instead and have him accompanying my Recon squads.
That's an interesting interpretation, I'm not sure that I agree, although on a reread I see your point. The paragraph is a bit of a hash ("as long as he has not declared a shooting attack" and then goes on to say it ends when he charges too), maybe needs an FAQ. Still very powerful though, since you will deploy post infiltrators and be able to easily choose a safe spot. Many legions wont be deploying melee-capable troops on the ground on T1, and if they do to react to your Sab, thats probably a win in a lot of situations anyway!
@@Hearesy oh the Saboteur is still very powerful, I was just concerned about someone plonking him on the board overconfidently and getting him overrun by something like a Tactical Squad with bayonets. They probably wouldn't kill him, but it would end the rule when he fights back allowing counterplay next turn. They definitely need an FAQ to clarify this, it wouldn't make narrative sense for the charging being possible if shooting isn't, but it doesn't say specifically one thing or the other.
I have to agree with Victorious on this one, the last line of the rule reads "nor does this special rule restrict the enemy from declaring charges targeting a model or unit that has this special rule" I also think because it's specifying the centurion without terminator Armor (the datasheet name) you might not be able to put him in terminator Armor?...maybe? XD Alpha legion rules are as sneaky as they are!
Yeh i agree it could but read like that, but its written “heres a thing and once it happens you cant do this, nor this” which would usually mean the “nor” is conditional on the first bit, not “always”. But it also doesnt say he cant be charged in the first sentence, so…. Gwwww!
7:20 thank you for the list, i was thinking of making mobius configuration allied detachment of WE or getting some rampagers for Coils of the Hydra. Also I am considering phoenix terminators or siege tyrants.
I know this is 2 years late, but how does Master of Lies work? It says you can put them into reserves but cant take them out so are those units lost or am i missing something
i feel i would use try to use this to max effect with in my turn, because otherwise i should play another legion, however i`d still keep it time sensible, and as for the distance rule specific, it should be discussed in pregame questions and I'd remind people at the start of the shooting phase and before the declare charges, so no gotchas during the first few times, but then then onus moves to them to ask the question and play a tactical wargame. its trying to strike the balance and may make the difference between handing them a game and trying to win without being WAAC type player
What about using gal vorbak, sekmet terminators, Tyrants, iron circle? I need help making a zone mortalis set up, 2k, 3, 5k set up. Nothing is limited I have access to anything u list. I thought I knew what to do but I don't. I really like your inside. I have dreadclaws, termites, Spartans, land raiders, contemptors, leviathans, deridero, jet bikes, land Speeders, 20 head hunters, 15 alpha terminators, 2 volkite moritat, 2 plasma moritats, etc etc. No limits. I'm a builder and conversion type but looking to play. Can you help?
personally really considering running these guys with the Rite of War that lets you take 3 units from another legion. Fielding some big blocks of Interemptors and then bringing your guys in from reserve feels like it'd be good.
Damn, these guys are amazing. You can play whatever you want between fun and powerful or both. Damn. Maybe i should change my mind and pick them instead of ultramarines. Seems like Models are nicer on blueboys side. And the righteousness.
You will probably talk about this when you do a video about the units, but do you think its a good idea to replace the banestrike combi bolters on the headhunters with combi volkite's, since they are free? 2 shots at 15 range sounds to me better than 2 shots at 9 range, but im not sure if breaching 6+ or deflagrate is better.
A Saboteur cannot be a terminator. The rule says "A Legion Centurion" - that would have to say "Legion Centurion, Legion Cataphractii Centurion, or Legion Tartaros Centurion" to allow those to become Saboteurs. Compare the Sons of Horus Dark Emissary wording. But good video anyway.
came here to post this, the saboteur really is, imo, whilst cheap, taking up a very valuable hq slot and i cannot justify it myself, not while you must have an actual command HQ and also Exodus exists... If I'm splashing for a 3rd HQ, either something unit boosting or a second Exodus...
@@TH-zb7sh If you always want to go for maximum effectiveness, also known as WAAC, then yeah, but for a game of heresy, do you really want that? Heresy is about style and cool little things like a saboteur add a lot of style. A second Exodus subtracts style.
@@Skylifter1000 a second Exodus is entirely Alpha. The 'character' was as intentionally not listed as Unique as the AL characters were intentionally not listed as 'Traitor'... WAAC is playing Coils with 3 units of Fulmentarus in Spartans until you DS in Alpharius and 9 Contemptors in 3 Talons into melee behind enemy lines, targeting whatever units all 10 of them want...
The funny thing about Lies and Obfuscatiom is that it technically is a liability against Conversion Beamers. Not super relevant but still kind of funny to think about!
It's between these guys and Dark Angels - painting the AL looks like it might be tedious because it's easy to be inconsistent with how the glazes are layered with an airbrush, but if I can maintain that, they'll look great and they seem great fun to play. DA are the easier legion to paint, and I love The Lion model, and they're quite flexible. Tough choice!
@@Hearesy Never work Tamiya acrylics with water... They're actually Lacquer paints, and if you thin with the correct thinners(not even the Tamiya acrylic thinner, which while "passable" isn't really what makes it nice to work with). As for painting DA, you're thinking like non-AL. Every legion is just Alpha legion before they get activated... Every legionnaire is really an Alpha-Legionnaire...
@@peanusbenis5631 I use Neptunus Blue from GreenStuffWorld, it's a nice metallic blue and it works without any airbrushing/contrast paints etc. A silver basecoat helps a lot though, I use Tamiya paints for that as I really like them. Hope that helps!
I honestly think AL are easily one of the best Legions in the game, top 3 for sure. I really wish all the Legions were written as cool and awesome and fluffy 😅
These are some very interesting rules for building strategy around. Unfortunate that they are given to yet another space marine chapter. They would feel really interesting and flavourful on, eg Harlequins
What is this heresy! Rewards of treachary! If im understanding this correctly i think the unit they use should hv some negative like -1 on something so they are like a knock off version of the unit they copy because this to me takes away from the other legions unit and how they were made. This is the first legion that has made me want to unleash a full meta list and hunt them like the fallen 😂 they sound like a great opponent to sharpen ur skills on though as they could take the best unit from each legion every game allowing u to learn how to deal with them somewhat.
my biggest gripe with the Legion Trait is that it is a (explicitly cumulative) charge DISTANCE modifyer. Which means i can literally fail a 1" charge even without difficult terrain ! if it was the declare distance it would kind of make sense sind you 'think' you need to run longer than you actually do ... but crashing into the physical body of an enemy and still needing 2 more inch or you failed the charge makes no sense to me. Also average charges suddenly become really swingy ones (like 5" charge suddenly needing 7" which is a big swing in percentage chance to get in) or super safe charges of 3" suddenly becoming 6 times as failable due to needing a 5 on the dice roll (1 out of 36 possible results fail vs. 6 out of 36 failing with the 5" charge)
It makes as much sense as with shooting, how can a bullet physically travel less against one legion than another? Rules for a board game can never translate perfectly, but I think this is a reasonably good attempt at representing alpha legion.
Power Daggers have specialist weapon, so if you take it on a character equipped with another specialist weapon then you will get +1A. 5pts for +1A is really good on a killy character, but you'll probably never actually use the Power Dagger as a weapon
As I read the rule, the Sudden Strike applies whether you use that weapon to attack with or not. So power daggers can be useful, for example in a slugfest between two models with power fists, to make sure that you get the chance to instant death your opponent first. It's definitely nice to have for free on the models that do get them and maybe a good use of five points when getting your army up to a nice round number.
This is a really well made video for the Alpha Legion. Probably one of the coolest legions in the lore in general. -Alpharius
Is. Not probably. One of many!
Hmm good quote
@@Alpharius-Omegon The Hydra Awakes
A Saboteur with a Combi-Melter is a huge threat to have in your backline...I was on the receiving end of this xD
Thank you for this video.
I bought the box AOD box when it came out, and after deciding I wasn't painting hazard stripes, I went for Alpha Legion. But everything I watched, everything I read made them feel very restricted. Finally, I have found this video and feel free to do with them as I please. Maybe I'll even have the basic AOD infanty primed by the end of this weekend :-)
Fulmentarus Terminators are incredible for AL if you aren't taking Coil of the Hydra (too expensive).
For real the best heresy channel on youtube
Thank you! :)
Rules like this are so fitting for the legion that it's unreal
Omg omg!!! I can’t believe it)))) you did it)))) thank you mate! Love you! Hydra Dominatus!
You’re very welcome!
Something I really appreciate is how in the transition from 1st Ed to 2nd the focus shifted from the Saboteur's sabotage attack & choosing Infiltrate with Mutable tactics leading to a potent alpha (haha) strike that then became inconsequential for the rest of the game to a more well-rounded set of special rules that all stay relevant throughout. I'm very excited about baked-in Rewards of Treachery, I know they aren't the most optimal choice but I'm tempted to grab Contekars so my warlord is a ten-man Terminator squad with twenty wounds & heavy flamers (or Volkites). I'm also intrigued by using Mobius Config. Lots of chances to raid the bitz box and experiment with various Legions. Basically perfect for people like me who can't decide what they want to commit to.
Oh man, this'll be a good one.
Cracking vid, can't wait to play Valerius's Alpha Legion.
Fantastic video!
Thanks Garrett!
Great video! Very informative
Thanks!
The Power Dagger is deceptively strong in challenges vs another Sargeant. And at 5 points when you pay for it, it feels cheap enough you can probably squeeze one or two into a list without an issue
Agree. Was surprised when my Sergeant accepted a challenge against another wielding a scary looking power fist. I thought I was done for but realised I had AP3 with the dagger and killed the fella. Definitely better points economy for me.
Please note that the Saboteur's False Colours rule ONLY protects him from shooting attacks, even if he hasn't exposed himself he can still be charged and killed.
So while he's good, don't get overconfident getting him too close to enemy units as they can just throw a chaff unit at him, force him to fight and invalidate False Colours, then shoot him off the board next turn.
It's because of that, that I'm going to use Exodus instead and have him accompanying my Recon squads.
That's an interesting interpretation, I'm not sure that I agree, although on a reread I see your point. The paragraph is a bit of a hash ("as long as he has not declared a shooting attack" and then goes on to say it ends when he charges too), maybe needs an FAQ.
Still very powerful though, since you will deploy post infiltrators and be able to easily choose a safe spot. Many legions wont be deploying melee-capable troops on the ground on T1, and if they do to react to your Sab, thats probably a win in a lot of situations anyway!
@@Hearesy oh the Saboteur is still very powerful, I was just concerned about someone plonking him on the board overconfidently and getting him overrun by something like a Tactical Squad with bayonets. They probably wouldn't kill him, but it would end the rule when he fights back allowing counterplay next turn.
They definitely need an FAQ to clarify this, it wouldn't make narrative sense for the charging being possible if shooting isn't, but it doesn't say specifically one thing or the other.
I have to agree with Victorious on this one, the last line of the rule reads "nor does this special rule restrict the enemy from declaring charges targeting a model or unit that has this special rule"
I also think because it's specifying the centurion without terminator Armor (the datasheet name) you might not be able to put him in terminator Armor?...maybe? XD
Alpha legion rules are as sneaky as they are!
Yeh i agree it could but read like that, but its written “heres a thing and once it happens you cant do this, nor this” which would usually mean the “nor” is conditional on the first bit, not “always”. But it also doesnt say he cant be charged in the first sentence, so…. Gwwww!
7:20 thank you for the list, i was thinking of making mobius configuration allied detachment of WE or getting some rampagers for Coils of the Hydra. Also I am considering phoenix terminators or siege tyrants.
Firedrakes with cata praetor in pods
I know this is 2 years late, but how does Master of Lies work? It says you can put them into reserves but cant take them out so are those units lost or am i missing something
i feel i would use try to use this to max effect with in my turn, because otherwise i should play another legion, however i`d still keep it time sensible, and as for the distance rule specific, it should be discussed in pregame questions and I'd remind people at the start of the shooting phase and before the declare charges, so no gotchas during the first few times, but then then onus moves to them to ask the question and play a tactical wargame. its trying to strike the balance and may make the difference between handing them a game and trying to win without being WAAC type player
Really enjoy the videos! Any chance of some Blood Angels content?
Having said that, while I’m starting my journey into Heresy with Blood Angels, Alpha Legion could well be the next project!
What about using gal vorbak, sekmet terminators, Tyrants, iron circle? I need help making a zone mortalis set up, 2k, 3, 5k set up. Nothing is limited I have access to anything u list. I thought I knew what to do but I don't. I really like your inside. I have dreadclaws, termites, Spartans, land raiders, contemptors, leviathans, deridero, jet bikes, land Speeders, 20 head hunters, 15 alpha terminators, 2 volkite moritat, 2 plasma moritats, etc etc. No limits. I'm a builder and conversion type but looking to play. Can you help?
personally really considering running these guys with the Rite of War that lets you take 3 units from another legion. Fielding some big blocks of Interemptors and then bringing your guys in from reserve feels like it'd be good.
It definitely would be!
Damn, these guys are amazing. You can play whatever you want between fun and powerful or both. Damn. Maybe i should change my mind and pick them instead of ultramarines. Seems like Models are nicer on blueboys side. And the righteousness.
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You will probably talk about this when you do a video about the units, but do you think its a good idea to replace the banestrike combi bolters on the headhunters with combi volkite's, since they are free?
2 shots at 15 range sounds to me better than 2 shots at 9 range, but im not sure if breaching 6+ or deflagrate is better.
A Saboteur cannot be a terminator. The rule says "A Legion Centurion" - that would have to say "Legion Centurion, Legion Cataphractii Centurion, or Legion Tartaros Centurion" to allow those to become Saboteurs. Compare the Sons of Horus Dark Emissary wording. But good video anyway.
this is very true. my saboteur does not even wish he could wear tactical dread armor.
came here to post this, the saboteur really is, imo, whilst cheap, taking up a very valuable hq slot and i cannot justify it myself, not while you must have an actual command HQ and also Exodus exists... If I'm splashing for a 3rd HQ, either something unit boosting or a second Exodus...
@@TH-zb7sh lies and deception.
@@TH-zb7sh If you always want to go for maximum effectiveness, also known as WAAC, then yeah, but for a game of heresy, do you really want that? Heresy is about style and cool little things like a saboteur add a lot of style. A second Exodus subtracts style.
@@Skylifter1000 a second Exodus is entirely Alpha. The 'character' was as intentionally not listed as Unique as the AL characters were intentionally not listed as 'Traitor'... WAAC is playing Coils with 3 units of Fulmentarus in Spartans until you DS in Alpharius and 9 Contemptors in 3 Talons into melee behind enemy lines, targeting whatever units all 10 of them want...
Hydra Dominatus!
Opinions on headhunters?
Coming in part 2, but i like them!
with a precision shot multimelta they. are. brutal.
i really want to build a alpha legion, night lords army. what would you recommend
Both?
@@Hearesy ye what would be the best way to play both of them as my army
hmm i am torn between starting alpha legion ( i currently play them in 40k) or iron hands or waiting to see what mechanicum has to offer
What are the Alphas like in 40k?
Lots of cultist spam, -1 to hit outside of mid range and gret use of prayers.
@@philparis796 was cultist spam new rules prevent you from taking more cultists then space Marine units
The funny thing about Lies and Obfuscatiom is that it technically is a liability against Conversion Beamers. Not super relevant but still kind of funny to think about!
Haha good point!
Woo! More Heresy. Although you missed a trick by not titling it "Alpha Legion they Probably ARE Your Legion"
It's almost like you read my mind of me painting all of my marines as different legions.
It's between these guys and Dark Angels - painting the AL looks like it might be tedious because it's easy to be inconsistent with how the glazes are layered with an airbrush, but if I can maintain that, they'll look great and they seem great fun to play. DA are the easier legion to paint, and I love The Lion model, and they're quite flexible. Tough choice!
I gave up painting AL after my first go of tamiya clear. Horrible stuff to work with!
@@Hearesy I’ve done mine with Akhelian Green contrast and it’s turned out well! One airbrush coat over silver primer :)
@@Hearesy I definitely would not use this then. Probably another brand. Plenty of gloss clearcoat for airbrushes are about.
@@Hearesy Never work Tamiya acrylics with water... They're actually Lacquer paints, and if you thin with the correct thinners(not even the Tamiya acrylic thinner, which while "passable" isn't really what makes it nice to work with).
As for painting DA, you're thinking like non-AL. Every legion is just Alpha legion before they get activated... Every legionnaire is really an Alpha-Legionnaire...
@@peanusbenis5631 I use Neptunus Blue from GreenStuffWorld, it's a nice metallic blue and it works without any airbrushing/contrast paints etc. A silver basecoat helps a lot though, I use Tamiya paints for that as I really like them. Hope that helps!
I honestly think AL are easily one of the best Legions in the game, top 3 for sure. I really wish all the Legions were written as cool and awesome and fluffy 😅
I see some people have already left “I am Alpharius” and “Hydra Dominatus” comments; that’s all you get.
That’s because…
…I am Alpharius
These are some very interesting rules for building strategy around. Unfortunate that they are given to yet another space marine chapter. They would feel really interesting and flavourful on, eg Harlequins
What is this heresy! Rewards of treachary! If im understanding this correctly i think the unit they use should hv some negative like -1 on something so they are like a knock off version of the unit they copy because this to me takes away from the other legions unit and how they were made. This is the first legion that has made me want to unleash a full meta list and hunt them like the fallen 😂 they sound like a great opponent to sharpen ur skills on though as they could take the best unit from each legion every game allowing u to learn how to deal with them somewhat.
That would be a great idea yeh!
my biggest gripe with the Legion Trait is that it is a (explicitly cumulative) charge DISTANCE modifyer.
Which means i can literally fail a 1" charge even without difficult terrain !
if it was the declare distance it would kind of make sense sind you 'think' you need to run longer than you actually do ... but crashing into the physical body of an enemy and still needing 2 more inch or you failed the charge makes no sense to me.
Also average charges suddenly become really swingy ones (like 5" charge suddenly needing 7" which is a big swing in percentage chance to get in) or super safe charges of 3" suddenly becoming 6 times as failable due to needing a 5 on the dice roll (1 out of 36 possible results fail vs. 6 out of 36 failing with the 5" charge)
It makes as much sense as with shooting, how can a bullet physically travel less against one legion than another? Rules for a board game can never translate perfectly, but I think this is a reasonably good attempt at representing alpha legion.
Really dislike this army rule as well. Immersion breaking.
Finally you discuss a loyalist legion. alpharius is dead. long live alpharius.
This explains why so many of the traitor players at my local club run these guys.
I am Alpharius-Legion 😜
Well that was a depressing listen for a Blood Angels player whose regular opponent goes by the name Alpharius.
Blood Angels are plenty good too :)
Power Daggers have specialist weapon, so if you take it on a character equipped with another specialist weapon then you will get +1A. 5pts for +1A is really good on a killy character, but you'll probably never actually use the Power Dagger as a weapon
They dont have specialist weapon in 2.0 unfortunately!
You might use it, a power fist and power dagger gives you good options
As I read the rule, the Sudden Strike applies whether you use that weapon to attack with or not. So power daggers can be useful, for example in a slugfest between two models with power fists, to make sure that you get the chance to instant death your opponent first. It's definitely nice to have for free on the models that do get them and maybe a good use of five points when getting your army up to a nice round number.
The rule is on the weapon, so only applies if you use the weapon.
Jokes on you Alpha Legion. Emperors Childrens unique units are not good enough to be stolen,hahaha.