"No Way Blue!!!" This was super hard to see the first time through and then became very obvious the 2nd time through. Fans need to take a chill before we have no umps left.
Us umpires have been saying that all year and for the past years. It's the number 1 reason new umpires quit. These umpires in the stands, I mean fans think it's the world series every single game.
@@d.levichestnutwoodboillot8022, you are 100% wrong. It doesn't matter where the player is in relation to the foul line. The only question is where the ball was when it was touched or hit the ground. By your logic, the fielder could be in foul territory and reach into fair territory and turn a hit into a foul.
No catch, foul ball. Home plate umpire shouldve gotten a better angle (if possible, but that's hard given how quickly it happened) and been more assertive. Bench players and fans yapping should put on the gear and show us how easy it is.
As an umpire, this call could have went both ways, it was that close to the line. I do agree with others, a call should have been quicker and very audible. Looking at the replay, it appears the ball was first touched while it was above the line.
Gosh, it is really hard to tell if the ball was fair or foul when touched. Personally, in real time, I would have probably called this fair. Nonetheless, the takeaway for umpires is to be confident and “sell” your calls. People will still disagree - the average fan is clueless as to the rules anyway, so that is par for the course. But the players and coaches will lose respect for you when you don’t make clear and confident calls.
Since the ball was not caught, the call could have just been "Foul" with arms raised. That would kill the play. Attach a "No catch!" to drive the point home if you must. Pointing at the ground for "No catch" was too easily confused with pointing into fair territory for "Fair ball."
I can’t tell from either angle. PU definitely didn’t help his case by his positioning and demeanor. If he hustles to get on the line and comes up big with “foul ball!” and kills it immediately, there might still be some disagreement but nowhere near what there was. And coach probably doesn’t come out either.
Should be 3rd base line extended to get this call. not first base line extended. (for teaching not criticizing) Fair Ball - no catch-(but is blurry - so maybe I am wrong.) But it is so close a foul ball call is acceptable, just better sold (either call) if the umpire was in correct location. "It ain't nothing 'till you call it." - Bill Klem So no need to rush, per se, but then come up decisive and authoritative with your call.
Watch the catcher move into the sight line of the umpire. Maybe not quick enough of the umpire to get a better view, but players moving, giving your brain time to think and then making the call are all needed. To the fans, shut up. Your questioning of the calls does make an impact. Mob mentality kicks in and the players, coaches and fans become part of the game. Enjoy the game your young adult is privileged to play in, you will miss it when they are done.
This is an excellent example of why an umpire's mechanics are so important. When I watched the play in real time, I thought the ball was just barely foul, and there was no catch of a ball in flight. Every move the umpire initially made gave me the impression he thought the ball was fair.
The umpire signaled "no catch" by pointing to the ground when the ball came out on the catch. He never called or motioned "Foul Ball" so the play continued (kudos to the fielders to continue the play). The home plate ump likely went back and explained to the coach that he didn't announce the foul ball call but that is the way that he saw it and corrected it. Maybe if he would have consulted with his partner he would have executed better. He got the call right but it looked awful.
@@evankirk5937 Exactly, consulting his partner for what? I mean that's the worst thing he could've done here besides obviously not coming up definitively & audibly with a foul ball!!!
No catch signal is the safe signal with arms out wide and verbally saying no catch. Pointing the ground with no verbal is usually what is done on a fair ball. If the umpire signalled no catch and immediately raised his hands calling foul, there wouldnt have been an issue. It was the point that causes this. Bad mechanics.
Okay, it's close, so let's say this call could have gone either way as I think there is a real story here beyond fair/foul. There are a few reasons why this caused fury with the manager and behind the fence. First, PU didn't make a strong effort to get an angle on this play - so the fans are not sure of the umpire's interest, commitment or command here. Secondly, he makes a weak call. I can't hear if there is a verbal but the mechanic used indicates a fair ball on the ground. He then jumps in after the play continues to (seemingly) reverse the call. This does not build trust or confidence which I imagine carried through the remainder of the game with an agitated fan-based (possibly on both sides).
First of all, the Plate Umpire made a very lackadaisical effort to even see the play, and then makes a very nervous looking ruling... This is the type of occurence that really makes Umpiring so unique. When I watched the play to begin with kit was difficult to tell whether the ball was fair or foul, but after seeing it a few times, I thought it was foul. The Plate Ump should have immediately took of his mask and HUSTLED IN FRONT OF THE CATCHER to bei n the best position to watch the play happen, then with a forceful tone throw up his hands and yelled "Foul Ball" after which he points to the ground in foul territory and adds "No Catch." and then retreat back to the plate area. By doing so, he;s indicating to the COACHES, the Players, the Fans AND HIS PARTNER that he is on Top of his Game and giving them a Quality service.
I agree with everything EXCPET expecting the umpire to find a better position. Ideally, yes. But he did not know where the ball was going to go and from the time the ball made contact with the bat to the time it hit the ground, it was 1.3 seconds. In defense of that aspect of this umpire's actions on this play, I don't know of anyone that's going to get it better. Mask off? Maybe...I usually take it off really fast, but his eyes work with it on just fine and knowing to move right? Yes, that's what should happen, but again, 1.3 seconds and you need to give time just to register a hit ball. Now the rest of what you say, 100%. That's where he did himself no favor and the #1 lesson we can learn from this play. But if he did that all correctly, I wouldn't have a video to post. LOL.
@@MJHBaseball Granted, my criticism may have been a little hard-handed, but I was trying to reflect the best-case scenario...and I agree with the statement regarding the short length of time, but when the batter squares to bunt, you have to recognize that there will be a quick play ensuing, which will require your quick reaction. It basically boils down to your experience and 'pre-pitch preparation'.
GET YOUR MASK OFF (with your left hand) and GET ON THE LINE on a play like that. Then you either indicate "fair" or yell "foul" with a proper mechanic and kill the play if it's the latter.
YES. immediate reaction/first step should have been to the FIRST BASE side of home plate (third baseline extended) for proper positioning for a call on the third baseline. i can go either way on the mask thing. yes, it should come off in most circumstances; but i also had an awesome mentor who advised that in bang/bang situations, the half-second and movement that it takes to remove the mask CAN BE a distraction. his thought was that if you can see well enough to call balls and strikes, you can see well enough to make an instantaneous fair/foul call. as you said, proper positioning and a firm call with proper mechanics will sell it 99% of the time.
I agree with everyone who says that he should have made a quicker call and sold it but I want to add a fun wrinkle. If the baserunner gets bolts to second instead of staying on first and maybe beats the throw there, the same exact people saying terrible call would be saying great call (if I am correct that they both don't know the rule and didn't have the best view of the situation). I'm not a perfect angel when reacting to umps at youth games (I've been known to give an audible "oh!" or "no!" or "ooooooohhh, I dunno" but I always make sure I catch myself, shrug it off, remind my kid there's nothing you can do, and move the hell on. Those voices that you can still hear yelling and well after the play are the problem.
Ah 1000 umpires in the stands. Yet none of them will put on gear and get behind the plate. Behavior is the exact reason and is the top reason as to why unions can't find new umpires and why umpires are quitting at an increased rate. Don't blame the state if YOU can't get umpires. Considering I've been on the field with this exact behavior, it's very disappointing. A lot of these umpires choose to give up work and family time and various other reasons so YOU can have a game.
Bad mechanics (position, mask on, and lack of “foul” call) but in the end looked to be correct. Would probably still get a word or two with a coach either way. Best thing he did do was that the conversation was brief.
Correct call. Good job making a difficult call. However umpire needs to be a little more loud and obvious with his call of no catch and foul ball. He seemed to point to the ground which meant ball was down but wasn’t loud with his call of foul ball until they tried to get the out at second.
Call was right. But ump should have shouted foul immediately after the failed catch. By pointing somewhat to fair territory and not verbalizing foul, it brought unnecessary confusion.
I often hope the people in the stands come across these videos and realize how awful they sound. Both angles looked foul to me. If anything the 3rd base side angle looked even more foul than the camera that was right down the line.
I can not really tell with the blurriness of the video if the ball was fair or foul. It actually looked fair when its touched by F1. However, whether its fair or foul, the umpire didn't do himself any favors by his mechanics. If its foul, be loud, be forceful, and yell FOUL BALL! From looking at his mechanics, it appears he is calling the ball fair due to his pointing to fair territory. The point to fair ground is the mechanic for calling a fair ball. The safe mechanic would be used to signal an uncaught ball. So to me, the PU calls this ball fair, and his lack of an out call tells me it was not caught. Then you have the fact that while the defense is making a play at 2nd, the PU puts his hands up killing the play. This then tells me he is calling it a foul ball. Based on the same batter returning to the box to continue his AB, he ultimately called this a foul ball. If proper mechanics were used and he was more vocal and forceful with his call, I bet no one would have said a word.
Having the benefit of the video and 2 angles, Should have been a fair ball (based on where ball is touched, not landed. No catch, out at 2nd. Unfortunately, in real time, the umps angle and lack of signal created confusion. He probably couldnt see as the catcher properly moved to help his infielder. Should have fought for a better look while it's happening and made a declarative call at the moment. It looks as if he signals fair with the point and then doesnt call foul until havoc has been reached.
Clearly a foul ball. Umpire was slightly out of position in foul territory instead of on the line. Problem is call should have been definative and loud.
Looked foul to me.. but umpire needs to be more Assertive with signaling and calling foul ball. One of the biggest reasons they argued that call was because of how nonchalant and indecisive he was about it
This video does not meet the channel's usual standard of highlighting quality play or umpiring. I"m not sure what point is being made with this video. That there are tough calls? Loud people in the crowd?
This channel is not about highlighting anything in particular. It's about baseball. This is a baseball game and a play that offers plenty. 1) how to umpire this play correctly. 2) how NOT to act as spectators. 3) how impressive the 3rd baseman almost was. 4) how not to bunt. 5) how an umpire can deal with a bad situation correctly. I mean, we could go on.
I think PU gets this whacker correct, but not by virtue of his great positioning or timing. PU needs to rotate to his right and get to 3B line extended on this. At first touch, the ball appears to be entirely over foul territory. I can't conclusively say that any portion of the ball was over the vertical plane of the foul line. Once the plate umpire sees that it is no catch, he needs to come up loud and strong with a foul ball call. I like the verbiage of "NO CATCH! Foul ball!" Come up with that with confidence and there is no reason for the offensive coach to come talk to you. I'd also like to see a little less body language or demonstration by PU while talking with the coach (I'm sometimes guilty of this too without realizing it). As far as "fans gone wild"...that sort of uninformed crap is standard fare from the spectators and parents at every single game at every single level in my neck of the woods. It's not ideal, but it's extremely common.
I've been to over 50 varsity high school games. This was the first time fans acted like this that I recall. The umpire didn't help himself or, so you can expect something, but if I reacted this way, the head coach or Athletic director would have likely called me and warned me not to let that happen again.
@@MH-Tesla That's nice. I've worked over 50 college games this spring in several states across the Central US, and dozens of high school games last fall, and thousands of games over the past 25 years. While your experiences are your own, in my experience, this is extremely common fan behavior whether I'm working the game, on site as an evaluator, or just a spectator. In fact, other than the one loud dad, this is pretty tame stuff compared to how people usually act. Your own mileage may vary, and you may be lucky to live in a more enlightened and restrained part of the country.
@@teebob21 I agree with you. I've been talking to a lot of fellow umpires about this and it turns out that my impression of what's bad is way different. For example, in this situation, had I been the umpire, this wouldn't phase me a bit. I might not even remember it occurred. I would recognize my mistake in not signaling foul right away (because I was too narrowly focused on catch/no catch.) As I'm talking to the coach and hearing spectators, I'm thinking, "I got to do that better next time. It's no wonder they are yelling." I don't expect spectators to be without any emotions. But talking with other guys, this sort of thing really does bother them a lot. Like really bothers them. So, my anecdotal accounts are unreliable, I think. I probably don't interpret reactions like others do? BTW, it's nice to have a softball guy participate in the comments on this channel! I've enjoyed interacting with you since you first showed up here. And probably on other videos on RUclips as well. What state are you in?
@@MH-Tesla I'm based out of Nebraska most of the year. Sometimes in AZ in the spring, and I work all over the country during NCAA season although my travel schedule has not been too extreme this year. (I have a 5 hour drive staring me in the face this evening though for a Fri-Sat-Sun series out of state.) I enjoy this channel and several of the other baseball YT channels. Baseball and fastpitch softball are far more closely related than a lot of people think, and while I work at my highest levels doing fastpitch, I work some HS and travel baseball off and on. I'm actually debating attending the Wendlestadt camp this winter; I went to the Evans camp YEARS ago when I was brand new and at that time was neither good enough to get offered a minor league spot nor old enough to be considered by any of the college assigners who pick up umpires from the MiLB campers. I don't have any interest in starting afresh as a Single-A/Dominican League umpire, but I wouldn't mind crossing over into NCAA baseball.
The umpire needed to yell and signal "Foul" immediately; just pointing to the ground on a close play like that is not enough. He was also in a horrible position; he had time to get on the line to make the call instead of watching from an awkward angle. And those fans need to be banned from attending games in that league.
In fairness to the coach, I think the primary gripe is that the umpire doesn't call the ball foul until the 3rd base coach comes down saying "foul ball." HPU could have avoided a lot of issues here with a forcefull "foul ball" call immediately.
@@ronaldmead7643 It's only foul or fair when it 1) passes 1st or 3rd base, 2) comes to a rest, ie. stops moving, 3) is touched. Since it was touched before the other two options occurred, the decision as to foul or fair is determined by the location of the ball at that time. If it was completely over foul territory when it was contacted, it is foul. If it was over fair territory when touched, it's fair. Where it landed is not relevant either. Only where the ball was when first touched.
"No Way Blue!!!" This was super hard to see the first time through and then became very obvious the 2nd time through. Fans need to take a chill before we have no umps left.
Us umpires have been saying that all year and for the past years. It's the number 1 reason new umpires quit. These umpires in the stands, I mean fans think it's the world series every single game.
It looked like an uncaught foul ball. Umpire should have signaled it immediately and forcefully. That would likely have prevented the backlash.
It looked like he signaled fair at first which I think was what made it worse, but did get it right in the end.
Actually I think he was just pointing to the ground maybe? Definitely confusing.
Doesn’t matter what side of the line the ball is on. The kid that touched the ball was in fair territory. The ball is a fair ball
@@d.levichestnutwoodboillot8022, you are 100% wrong. It doesn't matter where the player is in relation to the foul line. The only question is where the ball was when it was touched or hit the ground. By your logic, the fielder could be in foul territory and reach into fair territory and turn a hit into a foul.
No catch, foul ball. Home plate umpire shouldve gotten a better angle (if possible, but that's hard given how quickly it happened) and been more assertive. Bench players and fans yapping should put on the gear and show us how easy it is.
100%
As an umpire, this call could have went both ways, it was that close to the line. I do agree with others, a call should have been quicker and very audible. Looking at the replay, it appears the ball was first touched while it was above the line.
Gosh, it is really hard to tell if the ball was fair or foul when touched. Personally, in real time, I would have probably called this fair. Nonetheless, the takeaway for umpires is to be confident and “sell” your calls. People will still disagree - the average fan is clueless as to the rules anyway, so that is par for the course. But the players and coaches will lose respect for you when you don’t make clear and confident calls.
Since the ball was not caught, the call could have just been "Foul" with arms raised. That would kill the play. Attach a "No catch!" to drive the point home if you must. Pointing at the ground for "No catch" was too easily confused with pointing into fair territory for "Fair ball."
I can’t tell from either angle. PU definitely didn’t help his case by his positioning and demeanor. If he hustles to get on the line and comes up big with “foul ball!” and kills it immediately, there might still be some disagreement but nowhere near what there was. And coach probably doesn’t come out either.
Should be 3rd base line extended to get this call. not first base line extended. (for teaching not criticizing) Fair Ball - no catch-(but is blurry - so maybe I am wrong.) But it is so close a foul ball call is acceptable, just better sold (either call) if the umpire was in correct location.
"It ain't nothing 'till you call it." - Bill Klem So no need to rush, per se, but then come up decisive and authoritative with your call.
Watch the catcher move into the sight line of the umpire. Maybe not quick enough of the umpire to get a better view, but players moving, giving your brain time to think and then making the call are all needed. To the fans, shut up. Your questioning of the calls does make an impact. Mob mentality kicks in and the players, coaches and fans become part of the game. Enjoy the game your young adult is privileged to play in, you will miss it when they are done.
This is an excellent example of why an umpire's mechanics are so important. When I watched the play in real time, I thought the ball was just barely foul, and there was no catch of a ball in flight. Every move the umpire initially made gave me the impression he thought the ball was fair.
The umpire signaled "no catch" by pointing to the ground when the ball came out on the catch. He never called or motioned "Foul Ball" so the play continued (kudos to the fielders to continue the play). The home plate ump likely went back and explained to the coach that he didn't announce the foul ball call but that is the way that he saw it and corrected it. Maybe if he would have consulted with his partner he would have executed better. He got the call right but it looked awful.
Why would you consult with your partner on this?
@@evankirk5937 Exactly, consulting his partner for what?
I mean that's the worst thing he could've done here besides obviously not coming up definitively & audibly with a foul ball!!!
No catch signal is the safe signal with arms out wide and verbally saying no catch. Pointing the ground with no verbal is usually what is done on a fair ball. If the umpire signalled no catch and immediately raised his hands calling foul, there wouldnt have been an issue. It was the point that causes this. Bad mechanics.
Okay, it's close, so let's say this call could have gone either way as I think there is a real story here beyond fair/foul.
There are a few reasons why this caused fury with the manager and behind the fence. First, PU didn't make a strong effort to get an angle on this play - so the fans are not sure of the umpire's interest, commitment or command here. Secondly, he makes a weak call. I can't hear if there is a verbal but the mechanic used indicates a fair ball on the ground. He then jumps in after the play continues to (seemingly) reverse the call. This does not build trust or confidence which I imagine carried through the remainder of the game with an agitated fan-based (possibly on both sides).
First of all, the Plate Umpire made a very lackadaisical effort to even see the play, and then makes a very nervous looking ruling... This is the type of occurence that really makes Umpiring so unique. When I watched the play to begin with kit was difficult to tell whether the ball was fair or foul, but after seeing it a few times, I thought it was foul. The Plate Ump should have immediately took of his mask and HUSTLED IN FRONT OF THE CATCHER to bei n the best position to watch the play happen, then with a forceful tone throw up his hands and yelled "Foul Ball" after which he points to the ground in foul territory and adds "No Catch." and then retreat back to the plate area. By doing so, he;s indicating to the COACHES, the Players, the Fans AND HIS PARTNER that he is on Top of his Game and giving them a Quality service.
I agree with everything EXCPET expecting the umpire to find a better position. Ideally, yes. But he did not know where the ball was going to go and from the time the ball made contact with the bat to the time it hit the ground, it was 1.3 seconds. In defense of that aspect of this umpire's actions on this play, I don't know of anyone that's going to get it better. Mask off? Maybe...I usually take it off really fast, but his eyes work with it on just fine and knowing to move right? Yes, that's what should happen, but again, 1.3 seconds and you need to give time just to register a hit ball. Now the rest of what you say, 100%. That's where he did himself no favor and the #1 lesson we can learn from this play. But if he did that all correctly, I wouldn't have a video to post. LOL.
@@MJHBaseball Granted, my criticism may have been a little hard-handed, but I was trying to reflect the best-case scenario...and I agree with the statement regarding the short length of time, but when the batter squares to bunt, you have to recognize that there will be a quick play ensuing, which will require your quick reaction. It basically boils down to your experience and 'pre-pitch preparation'.
GET YOUR MASK OFF (with your left hand) and GET ON THE LINE on a play like that. Then you either indicate "fair" or yell "foul" with a proper mechanic and kill the play if it's the latter.
YES. immediate reaction/first step should have been to the FIRST BASE side of home plate (third baseline extended) for proper positioning for a call on the third baseline. i can go either way on the mask thing. yes, it should come off in most circumstances; but i also had an awesome mentor who advised that in bang/bang situations, the half-second and movement that it takes to remove the mask CAN BE a distraction. his thought was that if you can see well enough to call balls and strikes, you can see well enough to make an instantaneous fair/foul call. as you said, proper positioning and a firm call with proper mechanics will sell it 99% of the time.
Foul.
It where the ball is at time of touch not where the fielder is.
Ball is clearly in Foul territory at time of touch
I agree with everyone who says that he should have made a quicker call and sold it but I want to add a fun wrinkle. If the baserunner gets bolts to second instead of staying on first and maybe beats the throw there, the same exact people saying terrible call would be saying great call (if I am correct that they both don't know the rule and didn't have the best view of the situation).
I'm not a perfect angel when reacting to umps at youth games (I've been known to give an audible "oh!" or "no!" or "ooooooohhh, I dunno" but I always make sure I catch myself, shrug it off, remind my kid there's nothing you can do, and move the hell on. Those voices that you can still hear yelling and well after the play are the problem.
The only thing notable here is the ump could have been more verbal with his call, and that fans generally have no clue about fair/foul rules.
The mature people in this video are on the field. Most of the others are whining children.
Ah 1000 umpires in the stands. Yet none of them will put on gear and get behind the plate. Behavior is the exact reason and is the top reason as to why unions can't find new umpires and why umpires are quitting at an increased rate. Don't blame the state if YOU can't get umpires. Considering I've been on the field with this exact behavior, it's very disappointing. A lot of these umpires choose to give up work and family time and various other reasons so YOU can have a game.
Did he not knock it, causing it to go past the foul line
Bad mechanics (position, mask on, and lack of “foul” call) but in the end looked to be correct.
Would probably still get a word or two with a coach either way.
Best thing he did do was that the conversation was brief.
He made the right call but, he has got to come up with foul ball definitively, after having no catch!!!
Correct call. Good job making a difficult call. However umpire needs to be a little more loud and obvious with his call of no catch and foul ball. He seemed to point to the ground which meant ball was down but wasn’t loud with his call of foul ball until they tried to get the out at second.
Fowl crowd and a foul ball!😮
Call was right. But ump should have shouted foul immediately after the failed catch. By pointing somewhat to fair territory and not verbalizing foul, it brought unnecessary confusion.
I often hope the people in the stands come across these videos and realize how awful they sound. Both angles looked foul to me. If anything the 3rd base side angle looked even more foul than the camera that was right down the line.
Foul without a doubt. Yeah he could have called it quicker but on a foul does it really matter?
I can not really tell with the blurriness of the video if the ball was fair or foul. It actually looked fair when its touched by F1. However, whether its fair or foul, the umpire didn't do himself any favors by his mechanics. If its foul, be loud, be forceful, and yell FOUL BALL! From looking at his mechanics, it appears he is calling the ball fair due to his pointing to fair territory. The point to fair ground is the mechanic for calling a fair ball. The safe mechanic would be used to signal an uncaught ball. So to me, the PU calls this ball fair, and his lack of an out call tells me it was not caught. Then you have the fact that while the defense is making a play at 2nd, the PU puts his hands up killing the play. This then tells me he is calling it a foul ball. Based on the same batter returning to the box to continue his AB, he ultimately called this a foul ball. If proper mechanics were used and he was more vocal and forceful with his call, I bet no one would have said a word.
Parents are the worst. And R1 should have advanced as soon as he saw the ball landed... stand on 2nd until you're made to return to first.
Having the benefit of the video and 2 angles,
Should have been a fair ball (based on where ball is touched, not landed. No catch, out at 2nd.
Unfortunately, in real time, the umps angle and lack of signal created confusion. He probably couldnt see as the catcher properly moved to help his infielder. Should have fought for a better look while it's happening and made a declarative call at the moment. It looks as if he signals fair with the point and then doesnt call foul until havoc has been reached.
Clearly a foul ball. Umpire was slightly out of position in foul territory instead of on the line. Problem is call should have been definative and loud.
The ump was right, foul ball. And No other people has better view than ump.
It was a judgment call and should not be challenged.
Looked foul to me.. but umpire needs to be more Assertive with signaling and calling foul ball. One of the biggest reasons they argued that call was because of how nonchalant and indecisive he was about it
This video does not meet the channel's usual standard of highlighting quality play or umpiring. I"m not sure what point is being made with this video. That there are tough calls? Loud people in the crowd?
This channel is not about highlighting anything in particular. It's about baseball. This is a baseball game and a play that offers plenty. 1) how to umpire this play correctly. 2) how NOT to act as spectators. 3) how impressive the 3rd baseman almost was. 4) how not to bunt. 5) how an umpire can deal with a bad situation correctly. I mean, we could go on.
Foul.....................................
I think PU gets this whacker correct, but not by virtue of his great positioning or timing. PU needs to rotate to his right and get to 3B line extended on this. At first touch, the ball appears to be entirely over foul territory. I can't conclusively say that any portion of the ball was over the vertical plane of the foul line. Once the plate umpire sees that it is no catch, he needs to come up loud and strong with a foul ball call. I like the verbiage of "NO CATCH! Foul ball!" Come up with that with confidence and there is no reason for the offensive coach to come talk to you. I'd also like to see a little less body language or demonstration by PU while talking with the coach (I'm sometimes guilty of this too without realizing it).
As far as "fans gone wild"...that sort of uninformed crap is standard fare from the spectators and parents at every single game at every single level in my neck of the woods. It's not ideal, but it's extremely common.
I've been to over 50 varsity high school games. This was the first time fans acted like this that I recall. The umpire didn't help himself or, so you can expect something, but if I reacted this way, the head coach or Athletic director would have likely called me and warned me not to let that happen again.
@@MH-Tesla That's nice. I've worked over 50 college games this spring in several states across the Central US, and dozens of high school games last fall, and thousands of games over the past 25 years. While your experiences are your own, in my experience, this is extremely common fan behavior whether I'm working the game, on site as an evaluator, or just a spectator. In fact, other than the one loud dad, this is pretty tame stuff compared to how people usually act. Your own mileage may vary, and you may be lucky to live in a more enlightened and restrained part of the country.
@@teebob21 I agree with you. I've been talking to a lot of fellow umpires about this and it turns out that my impression of what's bad is way different. For example, in this situation, had I been the umpire, this wouldn't phase me a bit. I might not even remember it occurred. I would recognize my mistake in not signaling foul right away (because I was too narrowly focused on catch/no catch.) As I'm talking to the coach and hearing spectators, I'm thinking, "I got to do that better next time. It's no wonder they are yelling." I don't expect spectators to be without any emotions. But talking with other guys, this sort of thing really does bother them a lot. Like really bothers them. So, my anecdotal accounts are unreliable, I think. I probably don't interpret reactions like others do? BTW, it's nice to have a softball guy participate in the comments on this channel! I've enjoyed interacting with you since you first showed up here. And probably on other videos on RUclips as well. What state are you in?
@@MH-Tesla I'm based out of Nebraska most of the year. Sometimes in AZ in the spring, and I work all over the country during NCAA season although my travel schedule has not been too extreme this year. (I have a 5 hour drive staring me in the face this evening though for a Fri-Sat-Sun series out of state.)
I enjoy this channel and several of the other baseball YT channels. Baseball and fastpitch softball are far more closely related than a lot of people think, and while I work at my highest levels doing fastpitch, I work some HS and travel baseball off and on. I'm actually debating attending the Wendlestadt camp this winter; I went to the Evans camp YEARS ago when I was brand new and at that time was neither good enough to get offered a minor league spot nor old enough to be considered by any of the college assigners who pick up umpires from the MiLB campers. I don't have any interest in starting afresh as a Single-A/Dominican League umpire, but I wouldn't mind crossing over into NCAA baseball.
The umpire needed to yell and signal "Foul" immediately; just pointing to the ground on a close play like that is not enough. He was also in a horrible position; he had time to get on the line to make the call instead of watching from an awkward angle.
And those fans need to be banned from attending games in that league.
He's not a professional umpire
looked like ball was touched while still in fair territory to me
Coach coming out finger pointing when he has absolutely zero view from that side of the field.
In fairness to the coach, I think the primary gripe is that the umpire doesn't call the ball foul until the 3rd base coach comes down saying "foul ball." HPU could have avoided a lot of issues here with a forcefull "foul ball" call immediately.
Foul
he dropped the ball so thee was a force out at second
No bc it was a foul ball.
@@mikeleebrla He was in fair when he first caught it and then dropped in foul should still be a fair ball
@@ronaldmead7643 Where was the BALL when it was first touched? Where the player was,is irrelevant.
@@MH-Tesla The ball was in the air and he was in fair. It was not a foul ball until it hit the ground
@@ronaldmead7643 It's only foul or fair when it 1) passes 1st or 3rd base, 2) comes to a rest, ie. stops moving, 3) is touched. Since it was touched before the other two options occurred, the decision as to foul or fair is determined by the location of the ball at that time. If it was completely over foul territory when it was contacted, it is foul. If it was over fair territory when touched, it's fair. Where it landed is not relevant either. Only where the ball was when first touched.
Very close play, I think the ump was pointing to ground for ball hitting ground and just got caught up in the confusion.
But he should not point at the ground. He should loudly, and dramatically be called foul.