For those of you that aren't familiar with Mormon theology and some of the references Matty made. Dad was a High Deacon = The priesthood is separated into two parts, Melchizedek (typically adult men) and Aaronic (typically young men). Different offices of the priesthood within those orders. Deacon is an office of the Aaronic priesthood. So think Matty's dad might have been a High Priest and possibly a member of the Bishopric (the men who lead the congregation). Each congregation and area can have their own cultures so Matty said in his ward families of Bishopric members would sit near the front (this definitely was not the case in my ward growing up). More official policy would say no one calling or position inside the church is more important than another, but there definitely is a hierarchy. Men who are put in positions of authority are 'generally' seen as more responsible, dependable, and fitting with church culture (so kinda corporate-y and business like). Basically, Matty's family was in deep and devout. 3 Levels of Heaves = Celestial Kingdom (which has three levels within it), Terrestrial, and then Telestial. People can visit lower kingdoms, but can't visit higher. So this ends up being used a peer pressure tactic. "You don't want to sin because then you won't end up with your family, or you wouldn't want to split up your family would you?". Various criteria for what qualifies you for which kingdom. Everyone who lived on Earth will get an eternal body, but only those who attain the Celestial kingdom will live with God. Excommunicated vs leaving = Excommunication is definitely a thing, but pretty rare. Matty admits it's more likely they just left the church. It's hard to leave / Church knows a lot about you = For a long time this was seen as a myth until recently proven in the past decade or so. Church, especially in Utah, sometimes keeps tabs on people who leave. They also make it very hard to resign from the church and have your records removed. Ancestry is sort of a separate thing, and nearly impossible to remove from church records. 10% percent of your money to the church = Tithing. Every member is encouraged to give 10% of their income to the church. Even kids like Matty will be encouraged to give literally pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters off their allowance or chore money. Seen as a very good faith promoting. Stories will be shared of kids choosing to give money to the church over spending it on other things and how grateful they are for it. Didn't drink coke / didn't watch PG movies = This varies from family to family, generation to generation, and area to area. I never drank coke that much, but my mom routinely drinks diet coke. Used to be Mormon myth that coke cola was against the Word of Wisdom (religious doctrine regarding health, food, diet, etc.). My family you couldn't watch PG-13s until you were 13 and then even some of those were seen as not super moral. Rs were hard off limits (my mom did let us watch one about Helen Keller because she though it would be helpful for us to learn about it). Some families will only watch G movies or be more strict with what the eat. Once again shows that Matty's family was pretty devout. Underwear = Members who get "endowed" in Mormon temples wear special garments or underwear. Basically Biblical temple rituals (like washing and anointing in Exodus) mixed with Masonic stuff. The rituals have been changed over the years and are pretty "tame" now. Like back in the day for some of the rituals you would have gotten completely naked, then 30ish years ago they changed it to where you wore a big poncho but no underwear, then poncho and underwear, I think now they don't have you change your clothes at all. It's not AS creepy as some people make it out to be, but it's also not as religious and ceremonious as other rituals in other religions. Do you have to give the underwear back? The official policy is you are supposed to cut them up or burn them when they wear out so no one will find them and copy them. Kinda pointless if you ask me since you can just google and see what they look like. But, keep in mind it's a religion so it's about making things more ceremonious so they can have more meaning. Suppressing desires or repression / going all out when you leave = Definitely a thing. A lot of people grow up in the church with this super strict environment and once they leave they turn 180 degrees pretty quickly. There are benefits to growing up with strict adherence to a moral code, but part of the problem is if you give it up learning moderation and self-control with vices. So, a lot of people will probably learn from their parents how to moderate alcohol but some exmormons might struggle with it cause it's totally new to them. I've left the church now and never felt very repressed by the rules so I didn't go crazy when leaving. For health reasons I still don't drink alcohol, caffeine, or do drugs. If you are thinking about leaving the church my advice is to take things slowly. Don't pile on coffee, alcohol, sex, masturbation, R movies, etc all at once. Change one thing at a time and don't feel like you have to do things just because you're trying to be "normal" now. Alcohol is a drug, yes it is used socially a lot, but that doesn't mean you have to drink it. Go to counseling if you need it, make sure you have friends or family to support you.
Thank you for taking the time to clarify. I just wish people were more willing to verse themselves on subjects before jumping to conclusions based on ramblings of a guy who can’t even remember anything about it.
@@ratchet780 I am no longer a believing Mormon. While Joseph Smith's history is one of my reasons for leaving the church. I don't think your question is asked in good faith. The church in it's history used to deny he was ever convicted as a fraud. More recently they just explain it away. People believe in the church for a lot of reasons. They grew up that way, sunk cost fallacy, there friends and family are in the church, etc.
Thanks for writing this, coming from Utah it's stuff I can;t be bothered to explain generally but wish people knew. Sometimes I explain it like this: They are well meaning people and there are plenty of evangelicals that are WAY crazier in my opinion.
I would like to emphasize the importance of taking it slow. The last thing you want is to get pregnant with someone you don't really know, get an STD, learn that you have a strong tendency toward alcoholism, etc. because you were just being reactive. Do some research, ask yourself if this is something you legitimately are interested in or if it's simply a rebellious decision, and give yourself time to mull over it first. I left when I was in my 20's and already had a wife and kids so I never felt comfortable jumping into the deep end. Not to mention I intrinsically have a disdain for taking a very black and white approach to anything, so doing crap just because someone else told me not to still counts as letting someone else make my decisions. A big reason I started questioning in the first place was from being told too many times to accept that something was right, whether or not it felt right (or made sense) to me. But I feel like I'm in the minority with that because it feels like way too many people out there (Mormon or not) are just looking for someone else to tell them how to think.
@@joshhackett6639 be honest. There’s no way you can take what he said to mean excommunicated and you know it. They willingly left the church of their own accord. Don’t spread lies
I really wish Joe would have at least ONE actual member of the church on the podcast. I've heard the church brought up a few times now on his podcast and I wish he'd have someone on to just talk about it openly.
And millions duped into paying for extravagant "temples" only worthy can go inside of...oh and that 10% of your income to stay in good standing is your ticket for a ride that absolutely zero people can say even exists...
@@tomboocock2108 literally most people list other reasons like censorship, not having spotify premium, no comments, the objectively worse UI for video. Most people also say good for Joe, getting that fat pay day. Also saying that "fans" can't hate something a creator does because there a "fan" is just a straight up smooth brain idea. 😂🤷🏽♂️
@@maiin0w most people say, censorship, not having spotify premium, no comments, objectively worse UI for video, to name a few. But on a grander scale it's more or less becoming a meme for some of the community "that would be the camp I'm in". So I'm not one to care to much but there are a few reasons people give. Thoughts?
Really love the lack of hate when talking about the Mormon Church. I converted to it and I love it, and hey, for some it works and makes them happy, for some not, and it's all good! Our religion can seem pretty weird, admittedly so haha but their call outs on repression, great point.
You have to admit it's a little kooky/ borderline cultish, this coming from a non-denominational Christian. Especially since everyone basically knows at this point Joseph Smith was a wacko that literally tried to alter the Bible for his own benefit.
Coke is actually not specifically prohibited in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), although often people in the Church feel it's best to avoid
Love the talk of the mormon church. Grew up in it myself. It is a wild bubble you get put in. Very tough being out of it and still living in the mormon state as well. Even as an adult. That church has a very tight grip for sure
@@geoffsaunderson5766 there is no possible way he’s on blow. A coke addict who took some bumps would never be able to sit down for a 2-3 hour podcast without running to the bathroom to take another bump every 15-20 minutes. So no he’s not on coke in this podcast
I grew up in the mormon church. Was baptized at 8, did all the Wednesday night stuff and Sunday school stuff. And like what was previously stated, not all wards are the same. The one I grew up in was small but for the most all good people. Always helping everyone they could. Around age 15 I started to get into skating and drugs and music. Told my mom fuck that shit and just stopped going. Guess I'm technically still a member since I've never been excommunicated officially. Everything this dude is talking about, I've seen, been a part of, it's all so odd to me now.
I can remember sitting there at like 10-11 years of age and thinking “I don’t belong here” As soon as I was old enough to stop going, I never looked back. My moms still a member but she’s cool about it. She’s not one of those weird Mormons lol she drinks soda like a mf
@@LKT1215 yeah my moms super cool now, let's me enjoy smoking a bowl or two, shredding some probably obnoxious sounding guitar, just whatever lol...she grew to respect what I'm passionate about and in turn I respect hers as well and it's pretty cool being able to just burn and play and hang with the family like this ever since
I literally (not figuratively) said the words “no fucking way” the second I saw Matty made his way onto the JRE... this man is my spirit animal, and for the first time, I actually look forward to watching this on Spotify
Matty’s vibe is not matching up with joes vibe, they click once in a while but it just feels like Matty is too hyped about being on JRE and joes just like chillin letting Matty get the energy out lol 😂
Ya know, I grew up Mormon as well, and most of my family is still very active (I left it over 20 years ago) and this was not my experience at all. I think it all depends on how staunch and zealous ypur parents are. My parents made me go to church, yes. But when it was over, it was over. I could drink a mtn dew and watch Simpsons all day if I wanted. I still love most of the people in my parents ward because they are genuinely great people who don't judge or preach, and just believethe church is what'sbest for their lives. . You really can't base how an entire religion is based off of one person's story. I left the church many years ago, but I would never say anything bad about it.
Apparently Matty never read the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants. Not written by 14 yr old Joseph Smith translated later from writings of prophets in the American continent just as the Bible was translated. The Bible had been copied many times.
I feel like the way that he described it doesn’t do justice to what it’s actually like. I’m Mormon and part of the church. I’m sure his experience could be the experience of others but I would say that’s like less than 1% of people. My parents weren’t ever like that. I could slam mountain dews and watch simpsons all day. That not part of the doctrine or preachings but rather the way that his parent wanted to live out what they believed at the time. It’s a lot less “culty” than you’d expect.
I grew up Mormon. It was nice. We had a lot of good relationships and an automatic community anywhere we moved. And not all wards and members are the same.
Agreed. I’ve found California Mormons to be a bit more stuffy though. Idaho and Utah Mormons seem to be more open and accepting. I was raised in the Mormon church, I don’t go anymore but I’m really close to my family.
Hahahaha Mormons believe that Native Americans are Jews (Lamanites) and that they were cursed and so Yahweh gave them dark skin. Mormons abandon the trinity and think the Father is Yahweh, LOL!
As a prior member of the LDS church this isn't the best representation of what happens when you leave. I left and they were sad to see me leave but never held information about me as leverage over me to get me to stay. He remembers the dogmatism but can't remember any of the reasoning behind it.
@@BillyTheKidAudit take a psychology class. Children believe whatever they're told. And why wouldn't that be the case. Everyone's born knowing nothing including not knowing what lies are or how to critically think. Children eventually turn into adults who are free to do whatever they want. Most adults will just do what they were taught as children.
They may have changed some details of their data but it’s highly unlikely they were removed from the archives. The COLS have the largest genealogical library/archive on earth inside of Granite mountain in Utah. They are definitely still in it.
Anybody who believes in mormonism is almost as stupid asa scientologist. And once you're in their data base youll never be out of it. Also if you ever used a genealogy website, you gave all the info to the mormon church. Theyre VERY sinister and evil
If anyone wants to be "stricken" of the book, the trash comes on Tuesdays where I live. I don't know what this guy is talking about, and if you want to see those deep dark secrets they have on your family, just go to FamilySearch.org. It's like Ancestry, but free. They've got census records and sometimes people put pictures of their grandparents on there... super dark!
I also grew up hard-core Mormon. No caffeinated drinks or PG-13 movies. Thought that evolution and homosexuality were evil etc... I envy this guy. I wish my parents left when i was a child instead of figuring it out as an adult.
I attended a Mormon College. Trust me when I tell you they don't believe that evolution is evil. At least not a professor I had. He said let people go one day without the benefits of organic evolution, and the modern conveniences it provides us, they will quickly change their mind!
One thing JRE has taught me that people are way more interesting than we expect them to be. First kudos to Mr Joe "DMT" Rogan for inviting and having awesome conversations. Secondly please come back to RUclips.
@@BettyWhite2171 10% of everything I earned. Even when I was a child. My grandparents give 20% of their paychecks. Even when I got birthday money they expected me to pay tithing.
Been Mormon my entire life. Didn't know bishops families had front row access. What the heck man!? Also we can't drink Coke or watch Simpsons? This sucks
Grew up Mormon. Parents were one of those ultra Molly Mormons. Had the same experiences as him not being able to watch anything above pg and stupid shit like that. Glad I finally left though
I grew up in Utah & I will never forget being over at a girls house with my buddy& the dad rolled in to tell us it was late & we had to leave. He was wearing nothing but those underwear ensembles. They are incredibly see thru, it was a rather uncomfortable encounter.
you lying bro, you wear garments over your under wear and clothes, its a thin white silk under shirt or boxers, its not underwear lmaoooo, also I live in Lehi you talking about abby remond? lol
@@michaelseeker9680 lmao you dumb, you’re wearing it cuz it’s cumfy, not for god it’s just to go over your bra & underwear so you know all family’s are equal & not wearin shit to impress, it’s like Sunday best where erry one is in the same attire and you know it, lol you rlly worked up over a god fam
@@444dre6 I know what it is bro...I lived that life for almost 20 years. This guy was free ballin in his Mormon garments & they were 100% see thru in that light. My buddy, myself & the dudes daughter all got a show. What benefit is it to myself to make this up?
Big Joe Rogan fan here. I like Matty a lot too. It's kinda funny he was on the JRE literally right after Action Bronson was like when Action did his cooking show on Vice and then Matty came in right after Bronson left.
@@jeffreyrobert3342 ya I’m from Vancouver and got the opportunity to visit Toronto for 5 nights, and i stumbled in there not knowing it was Matty Mathesons from Vice 😅, been itching to travel back to Toronto just to eat these burgers again
Going back almost 20 years ago I had a buddy in the Army who grew up in Utah as a Morman. He went from being super sheltered to drinking, smoking cigarettes, chasing girls and all the other stuff that young soldiers typically do. I never thought of that stuff as anything crazy, but to him it was a completely different world. He told me one day that he could never go back to Utah and relate to the people he knew there.
The records the Church has are records like birth, baptism, where you’ve lived, served you mission and things like that. It’s just record keeping then like, “We know all your secrets and will blackmail you with it!” It also helps your local church congregation keep in touch with you.
I think he's talking about Nauvoo, IL and Carthage, IL when he mentions the hill and the jail where Joseph Smith died... I live so near to there and it is a very surreal place. My uncle always stops in when he's back to get a t-shirt from the mormon gift shop that says 'I
Very few people understand that the Mormon church does a lot of social services for people in their church and also the communities. Several times in my childhood they gave my family food and financial help. The tithing is actually effectively used.
@@claytonkickflip7595 pretty much every religion is but in the end I look at what they do and I’m sure most people who want to rag on the Mormon church do little to nothing and want to judge the world from their own high horse. So keep being a negative person and let my know how happy you are in 20 years.
@@williamjones8414 There is a huge difference between being negative or unhappy and realizing the insanity of a belief that wishes to sculpt people’s lives and take their money.
I enjoy these two guys. Much love! I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. There are a lot of misconceptions when it comes to any religion, but it doesn’t mean that Matty’s feelings are invalid. Also, a RUclips comment section is not the best way to debate over religion. 😂
I was raised Mormon up until a couple years ago and I can totally relate to never having a can of coke thing as well as that “once they let go of the reins” comment it’s safe to say hiding a child from all the dangers of the world is a sure fire way for them to eventually indulge in them I went from never having a cup of coffee a day in my life to doing oxycodone and xanax my freshman year of high school
it’s hard to get records out of the church bc if you don’t do it through local bishopric (which is awkward) they send ur request to their law firm ‘kirton mcconky’ who draws out the process over many months in order to dissuade you from following through with it. they want to keep the membership numbers up even if ppl aren’t actually attending
I’m an ex Mormon too and this is all bringing back so many memories😂😂😂. I love this. It’s true the Mormon church knows everything about it’s members it’s so scary. That’s one reason why I left among so many other crazy creepy cult things.
I was also brought up Mormon and also left the church in my twenties (currently 31 and doing medical school because I'm a crazy SOB). I have to say this segment was hilarious, Matty seems like a really great guy who is 100% adding value to society through his art. I'm not sure though that Matty is the best guy to comment on the nuances of the LDS church if he can't even remember Joseph Smith's name lol. He got some stuff correct, but he either doesn't understand some key components and teachings of the church, or is intentionally trying to distance himself from them by pretending not to understand them (which is human nature of course). In spite of the fact that I don't agree with many of the teachings of the church, I feel compelled to say that of those in the church who live it and love it, you will never meet a finer group of people. They render all kinds aid and feed countless people throughout the world through their humanitarian efforts. The church doesn't extort you for money, nor do they blackmail you if you want to leave or force you to appear before a "tribunal" for people having children out of wedlock; the entire time I was a member I was free to do whatever I wanted. In fact, the freedom to choose is a key teaching of the LDS church. I would certainly not label the church as a cult, they are a religious group like any other, they just have a bomb recruiting department in which they have invested heavily (the missionaries). The missionaries are super nice kids. if you ever feel the need to beat the shit out of any of them, I'd say that's more a problem with you than with them, because they are--for the most part--very respectful of boundaries. They do believe some wacky things, but I would say that they are not even close to being in the same lane as scientology. I personally don't think it matters what religion you belong to so long as you love your nieghbor and treat everyone with respect and dignity. Much love from Pennsylvania.
My mentally unstable sister got exed for a baby out of wedlock. She even married the loser but still exed. It was the 80s and the church ran high on fueled SHAME. It wouldn't THINK of doing that now.
Gavin, very respectful comments. I have been on both sides of this argument. Born and raised Southern Baptist, converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and for the last few years stepped away from all religion. I respect those who practice a religion, and live my life as someone who honors Christ.
I agree with this comment. I do not believe Mormonism is true, but Mormons tend to be nice people. There are some things in Mormonism that some make sense , but their culture seems to be one of honesty and friendliness. I think Mormonism in the 20th century mellowed a lot and became (on the outside) more like mainstream Christianity in that, day-to-day, you’re just supposed to read your Bible and not be a jerk. Edit: “don’t make sense” not “some make sense”
My moms side of the family were Mormon early in her life but left around the time she finished high school mid 80’s. To this day they still send her a yearly letter or something of the sort.
I grew up Mormon too and my whole family is still very active. I've tried for YEARS to leave the church officially, and they refuse to kill my record. You literally need a lawyer to officially leave the church. Matty is 100% correct.
Lol they can't FORCE you to go to church... If you decide you want out, don't go !! What are they gonna do? Send some Mormon ninjas to your house to capture you & drag you into church??
You actually just have to write a letter and that's it. Not quite sure how people come up with all this stuff. Of course, somebody will try to have a conversation with you because it is a massive process if people ever wanted to come back, but if you are certain then it's truly not a big deal. I've seen it done several times.
You can leave officially without having your record removed. They are allowed to keep records of what happens in their organization. Removing all of your records is like forcing them to pretend you were never there Which isn’t true. Don’t act like they didn’t allow you to stop being a member.
A lot of us Mormons/LDS love watching Joe Rogan. And I love when ex Mormons talk about the church and blow it out of proportion. This guy was a treat. It be cool if Joe got an actual practicing Mormon on his podcast.
Same - clearly the way Joe and him represent it is crazy. I just had a laugh. And if you look at ANY religion from an Atheist's perspective it's ALWAYS going to sound crazy. You either choose to believe in a higher power or you don't.
@@Brandonhart100 im not religious (although I am starting to think the Christians are onto something), what you said is very true. Atheists annoy me because throughout all of human history we have been religious creatures, but now all of a sudden the Atheists think they're over that, that they're the smartest people that have ever lived.
My girlfriends father was raised Jewish and met his wife and and graduated from University of Utah. He wanted to have a family in Utah because it was a great community .He worked at the local highschool mentoring "troubled" kids. He would always make jokes and make people laugh and really engage with you. he never really fully converted but his family . He passed early due to medical reason and hundreds of letters were sent from past students saying he really helped them. Its hard to believe he wont be on the same tier.
I grew up mormon too. I was raised in liberty, missouri which is where the jail is that matty was talking about. The place is basically a mormon mecca. My mom left the church when I was 10 or 11 and I can still remember my first soda and being able to watch football on sundays.
...haha ya, this is extra surreal for me because I grew up down the street from Matty, we went to the same schools and I was good friends with his older brother Steve. Spent tons of time at his house. Their parents always let the neighbourhood teens hang out there Awesome to see him so successful, his family are great people, his Mom and Dad are two of the coolest, most down to earth parents a kid could ask for
"I dont know shit, I just lived it." I feel like people can relate to that.
How? IDK wtf it even means.
If he lived it, he would know basic facts about who founded the Mormon church and how they view Heaven.
“I don’t know shit. I just lived it.” The realest thing to ever be said. I love Matty.
For those of you that aren't familiar with Mormon theology and some of the references Matty made.
Dad was a High Deacon = The priesthood is separated into two parts, Melchizedek (typically adult men) and Aaronic (typically young men). Different offices of the priesthood within those orders. Deacon is an office of the Aaronic priesthood. So think Matty's dad might have been a High Priest and possibly a member of the Bishopric (the men who lead the congregation). Each congregation and area can have their own cultures so Matty said in his ward families of Bishopric members would sit near the front (this definitely was not the case in my ward growing up). More official policy would say no one calling or position inside the church is more important than another, but there definitely is a hierarchy. Men who are put in positions of authority are 'generally' seen as more responsible, dependable, and fitting with church culture (so kinda corporate-y and business like). Basically, Matty's family was in deep and devout.
3 Levels of Heaves = Celestial Kingdom (which has three levels within it), Terrestrial, and then Telestial. People can visit lower kingdoms, but can't visit higher. So this ends up being used a peer pressure tactic. "You don't want to sin because then you won't end up with your family, or you wouldn't want to split up your family would you?". Various criteria for what qualifies you for which kingdom. Everyone who lived on Earth will get an eternal body, but only those who attain the Celestial kingdom will live with God.
Excommunicated vs leaving = Excommunication is definitely a thing, but pretty rare. Matty admits it's more likely they just left the church.
It's hard to leave / Church knows a lot about you = For a long time this was seen as a myth until recently proven in the past decade or so. Church, especially in Utah, sometimes keeps tabs on people who leave. They also make it very hard to resign from the church and have your records removed. Ancestry is sort of a separate thing, and nearly impossible to remove from church records.
10% percent of your money to the church = Tithing. Every member is encouraged to give 10% of their income to the church. Even kids like Matty will be encouraged to give literally pennies, nickels, dimes, and quarters off their allowance or chore money. Seen as a very good faith promoting. Stories will be shared of kids choosing to give money to the church over spending it on other things and how grateful they are for it.
Didn't drink coke / didn't watch PG movies = This varies from family to family, generation to generation, and area to area. I never drank coke that much, but my mom routinely drinks diet coke. Used to be Mormon myth that coke cola was against the Word of Wisdom (religious doctrine regarding health, food, diet, etc.). My family you couldn't watch PG-13s until you were 13 and then even some of those were seen as not super moral. Rs were hard off limits (my mom did let us watch one about Helen Keller because she though it would be helpful for us to learn about it). Some families will only watch G movies or be more strict with what the eat. Once again shows that Matty's family was pretty devout.
Underwear = Members who get "endowed" in Mormon temples wear special garments or underwear. Basically Biblical temple rituals (like washing and anointing in Exodus) mixed with Masonic stuff. The rituals have been changed over the years and are pretty "tame" now. Like back in the day for some of the rituals you would have gotten completely naked, then 30ish years ago they changed it to where you wore a big poncho but no underwear, then poncho and underwear, I think now they don't have you change your clothes at all. It's not AS creepy as some people make it out to be, but it's also not as religious and ceremonious as other rituals in other religions. Do you have to give the underwear back? The official policy is you are supposed to cut them up or burn them when they wear out so no one will find them and copy them. Kinda pointless if you ask me since you can just google and see what they look like. But, keep in mind it's a religion so it's about making things more ceremonious so they can have more meaning.
Suppressing desires or repression / going all out when you leave = Definitely a thing. A lot of people grow up in the church with this super strict environment and once they leave they turn 180 degrees pretty quickly. There are benefits to growing up with strict adherence to a moral code, but part of the problem is if you give it up learning moderation and self-control with vices. So, a lot of people will probably learn from their parents how to moderate alcohol but some exmormons might struggle with it cause it's totally new to them. I've left the church now and never felt very repressed by the rules so I didn't go crazy when leaving. For health reasons I still don't drink alcohol, caffeine, or do drugs.
If you are thinking about leaving the church my advice is to take things slowly. Don't pile on coffee, alcohol, sex, masturbation, R movies, etc all at once. Change one thing at a time and don't feel like you have to do things just because you're trying to be "normal" now. Alcohol is a drug, yes it is used socially a lot, but that doesn't mean you have to drink it. Go to counseling if you need it, make sure you have friends or family to support you.
Thank you for taking the time to clarify. I just wish people were more willing to verse themselves on subjects before jumping to conclusions based on ramblings of a guy who can’t even remember anything about it.
Can you also explain to me why you follow the religion created by a man convicted of fraud when he was 18? Thanks
@@ratchet780 I am no longer a believing Mormon. While Joseph Smith's history is one of my reasons for leaving the church. I don't think your question is asked in good faith.
The church in it's history used to deny he was ever convicted as a fraud. More recently they just explain it away. People believe in the church for a lot of reasons. They grew up that way, sunk cost fallacy, there friends and family are in the church, etc.
Thanks for writing this, coming from Utah it's stuff I can;t be bothered to explain generally but wish people knew. Sometimes I explain it like this: They are well meaning people and there are plenty of evangelicals that are WAY crazier in my opinion.
I would like to emphasize the importance of taking it slow. The last thing you want is to get pregnant with someone you don't really know, get an STD, learn that you have a strong tendency toward alcoholism, etc. because you were just being reactive. Do some research, ask yourself if this is something you legitimately are interested in or if it's simply a rebellious decision, and give yourself time to mull over it first.
I left when I was in my 20's and already had a wife and kids so I never felt comfortable jumping into the deep end. Not to mention I intrinsically have a disdain for taking a very black and white approach to anything, so doing crap just because someone else told me not to still counts as letting someone else make my decisions. A big reason I started questioning in the first place was from being told too many times to accept that something was right, whether or not it felt right (or made sense) to me. But I feel like I'm in the minority with that because it feels like way too many people out there (Mormon or not) are just looking for someone else to tell them how to think.
📖 LDS to LSD 🌈
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@@lisahamilton1520 Latter Day Saints to Lysergic Acid Diethylamide
Fuck yeah!
Went from being blind to wide open
Matty: “I don’t know if excommunicated is the right word”
Jamie: Uses that word in the video title
Lmao funny shit
It's the right word, I was raised in that cult.
@@joshhackett6639 be honest. There’s no way you can take what he said to mean excommunicated and you know it. They willingly left the church of their own accord. Don’t spread lies
@@joshhackett6639 saaaame
@@yoozernaiim it’s not a lie. The LDS church can and will excommunicate members. My dad was excommunicated 20 years ago
Saint John, New Brunswick’s golden boy has made it. ❤️ 🇨🇦
Not bad eh?
Yeah buddy! Saint John NB let’s goooo
Deluxe Fish&Chips!!!! LET'S GO!
@@Zeus0530 Deluxe all day! Especially ~ Main St, West, Saint John, NB ~ across from Moose Head Brewery! Matty would approve. ❤️❤️❤️
@@robertbourgeois9565 when you were full ya just had to barrel roll down Catherwood street to head towards the AQ.
I really wish Joe would have at least ONE actual member of the church on the podcast. I've heard the church brought up a few times now on his podcast and I wish he'd have someone on to just talk about it openly.
As a member I’d love that
Whats the point. It's a social club centered around a young con man's delusions.
@@mar-a-lagofbibug8833 says a nobody!
And millions duped into paying for extravagant "temples" only worthy can go inside of...oh and that 10% of your income to stay in good standing is your ticket for a ride that absolutely zero people can say even exists...
I grew up LDS. After alot of research I don't believe in any religion.
I LOVED this podcast!! Matty is AWESOME!!!! Truly enjoyed hearing his story and how he turned his life around. Thank you!!!!!!
He couldn't even recall basic facts about Mormonism.
This a "Yah I guess ill open Spotify" one!
Why does everyone hate Spotify?
@@maiin0w fuck knows , I don't get it either.. most likely jealous of the money he made when signing up too them.. and they call themselves "fans"
@@tomboocock2108 literally most people list other reasons like censorship, not having spotify premium, no comments, the objectively worse UI for video. Most people also say good for Joe, getting that fat pay day. Also saying that "fans" can't hate something a creator does because there a "fan" is just a straight up smooth brain idea. 😂🤷🏽♂️
@@maiin0w most people say, censorship, not having spotify premium, no comments, objectively worse UI for video, to name a few. But on a grander scale it's more or less becoming a meme for some of the community "that would be the camp I'm in". So I'm not one to care to much but there are a few reasons people give. Thoughts?
@@TheBradyBox did you just comment basically the same thing twice 🤔
Really love the lack of hate when talking about the Mormon Church. I converted to it and I love it, and hey, for some it works and makes them happy, for some not, and it's all good! Our religion can seem pretty weird, admittedly so haha but their call outs on repression, great point.
You have to admit it's a little kooky/ borderline cultish, this coming from a non-denominational Christian. Especially since everyone basically knows at this point Joseph Smith was a wacko that literally tried to alter the Bible for his own benefit.
You better hope they don't find out you're watching this..
What about the Mormon belief system made you convert?
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Probably a hot girl.
@@IvorMektin1701 BAHAHAHA I'm working bro and just laughed out loud on a zoom call.
"Never had a Coke, and now I'm doing acid!" 😂
Coke is actually not specifically prohibited in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), although often people in the Church feel it's best to avoid
@Obama Obunghole FIFY
Now I’m obese
@@peterlfc1387 lol
Joe just matty flow. I loved this even though i knew everything. I just love matty. Thanks joe for knowing how to work with matty.
Joe has a lot to learn about my favorite fan fiction club.
Your channel sucks. The gimmick wore off
It's true. Of all the cults out there, Mormons probably do the most good
@@oloblish aye bro it’s not a cult lol
Mormon my whole life, can confirm cult. Soft cult though not the super harmful type, not harmless though either.
@@CanadianVance if mormons are a cult then what does that make catholics
Can't wait to listen to this. Matty Matheson is one of my idols.
Love the talk of the mormon church. Grew up in it myself. It is a wild bubble you get put in. Very tough being out of it and still living in the mormon state as well. Even as an adult. That church has a very tight grip for sure
Jeez Joe is so leathargic here. Matty is hilarious and full of energy.
Joe’s podcast abilities have declined since Spotify
Coke addict, just nonsense blurted out! If I wanted this as entertainment I’d be down the bar
He was worse in the Andrew santino podcast. Doesn’t laugh at some of the most funniest shit I’ve heard all year
That's funny. Joe Sounds like a late night preceded the day.
@@geoffsaunderson5766 there is no possible way he’s on blow. A coke addict who took some bumps would never be able to sit down for a 2-3 hour podcast without running to the bathroom to take another bump every 15-20 minutes. So no he’s not on coke in this podcast
I grew up in the mormon church. Was baptized at 8, did all the Wednesday night stuff and Sunday school stuff. And like what was previously stated, not all wards are the same. The one I grew up in was small but for the most all good people. Always helping everyone they could. Around age 15 I started to get into skating and drugs and music. Told my mom fuck that shit and just stopped going. Guess I'm technically still a member since I've never been excommunicated officially. Everything this dude is talking about, I've seen, been a part of, it's all so odd to me now.
Dude, you and I must have lived the exact same childhood haha.
@@tj7636 ditto 🤣
Almost the same me at 16 , but as well started questioning stuff
I can remember sitting there at like 10-11 years of age and thinking “I don’t belong here” As soon as I was old enough to stop going, I never looked back. My moms still a member but she’s cool about it. She’s not one of those weird Mormons lol she drinks soda like a mf
@@LKT1215 yeah my moms super cool now, let's me enjoy smoking a bowl or two, shredding some probably obnoxious sounding guitar, just whatever lol...she grew to respect what I'm passionate about and in turn I respect hers as well and it's pretty cool being able to just burn and play and hang with the family like this ever since
I love watching Matty cook and talk. I also have both of his cookbooks!
Omg! you finally got Matty on the show, this is epic, he is one of my favorite chefs
Proud “Mormon” here 🖐. I love this show and love Joe Rogan.
On God, Matty got the chops to do stand-up comedy, he’s had a crazy life and hilarious life in the kitchen up in Canada
If Brendan Schaub can do it anyone can.
“On God”
Lol at your god.
Tbh when I first saw his cooking show, I thought he was a comedian that decided to do a cooking show lmao.
I saw his live tour and it was 90 minutes of him telling stories, felt like stand up
I was just thinking yesterday they should have matty matheson on JRE. I saw this and thought N O F U C K I N G W A Y. This is gonna be great.
LIAR
@@jakestellar4600 yeah I saw the action bronson one and it reminded me of matty matheson because I used to watch both of their videos
You willed it into existence
Are you on DMT?
@@qjames0077 perhaps
I literally (not figuratively) said the words “no fucking way” the second I saw Matty made his way onto the JRE... this man is my spirit animal, and for the first time, I actually look forward to watching this on Spotify
Love Matty!! Maybe not the best rep for the LDS 😂.
When you were mormon but know nothing about it haha
Hahaha yes!
This basically describes everyone I’ve met from Mesa, AZ.
My thoughts exactly :D Try going on a mission and then leaving the bunch...
They're the best members honestly.
Bahahahaah my thought exactly, I see you.
I always wondered how many other members of the church watched JRE.
Everything taken with a grain of salt. We know better and therefore make more informed decisions than most
I do. I'm Mormon.
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I do I'm Mormon
All of them.
I can’t believe this guy lived in a Mormon home but he called their prophet “John Smith”. Lol
Lol, my husband is ex-Mormon and even I know it’s Joseph.
It’s not his fault, he just can’t stop thinking about beer! 😉
I’m sure he knows it’s Joseph.
Yeah we all know it was Jim Jones
@@madliarcharlie9695 “we fly high, stay high, you know this. BALLIN” - 1st Nephi 4:20
Never knew how bad I needed and wanted this episode thank god for it 😂 another banger from rogan
Matty’s vibe is not matching up with joes vibe, they click once in a while but it just feels like Matty is too hyped about being on JRE and joes just like chillin letting Matty get the energy out lol 😂
I felt the same thing....Joe's got this cocky...."chill the fuck out" smirk hahahaha
Matty's BSDM halloween donut making video is, to this day, one of the funniest cooking videos I've ever seen :)
So true
that was my first introduction to matty at like 15, ive been a fan since
Yes! Classic!
Leather Daddy Matty likes a clean shop
I can’t find it
Lol his description of the LDS church is the wackiest 😆 he didn't even remember Joseph smith's name lol😂
And what's up with you and black men. Somebody loves bbc
Goes to show he doesn’t even know what he’s talking about 🤣
Yeah, he can't remember aa thing! Too much LDS!?! Haha (see what I did there?)
You would think he remembers the 1st prophet lol
I wouldn’t wanna remember all their bullshit either
another intriguing and informative guest. Love, Art, Food, Life. Spotify should figure out the comments section. This type of stuff is good.
Yyyeeeaaahhh can’t wait to listen to this.. Matty is greatness.
Ya know, I grew up Mormon as well, and most of my family is still very active (I left it over 20 years ago) and this was not my experience at all. I think it all depends on how staunch and zealous ypur parents are. My parents made me go to church, yes. But when it was over, it was over. I could drink a mtn dew and watch Simpsons all day if I wanted. I still love most of the people in my parents ward because they are genuinely great people who don't judge or preach, and just believethe church is what'sbest for their lives. . You really can't base how an entire religion is based off of one person's story. I left the church many years ago, but I would never say anything bad about it.
Ya that's kinda how I am. I started smoking spice 11 years ago (no bud hookups) and quite going. I grew up in wvc
church itself is weird. i grew up with christianity and i will make fun of every religion
Apparently Matty never read the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants. Not written by 14 yr old Joseph Smith translated later from writings of prophets in the American continent just as the Bible was translated. The Bible had been copied many times.
I feel like the way that he described it doesn’t do justice to what it’s actually like. I’m Mormon and part of the church. I’m sure his experience could be the experience of others but I would say that’s like less than 1% of people. My parents weren’t ever like that. I could slam mountain dews and watch simpsons all day. That not part of the doctrine or preachings but rather the way that his parent wanted to live out what they believed at the time. It’s a lot less “culty” than you’d expect.
This guy gets it.
I grew up Mormon. It was nice. We had a lot of good relationships and an automatic community anywhere we moved. And not all wards and members are the same.
Agreed. I’ve found California Mormons to be a bit more stuffy though. Idaho and Utah Mormons seem to be more open and accepting. I was raised in the Mormon church, I don’t go anymore but I’m really close to my family.
@@Chelsea-fo7gm you could say that about all religions
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@@Chelsea-fo7gm Dude he was probably tripping on mushrooms (Joseph was a well known mushroom forager). I'm sure he fully believed his vision
Hahahaha Mormons believe that Native Americans are Jews (Lamanites) and that they were cursed and so Yahweh gave them dark skin. Mormons abandon the trinity and think the Father is Yahweh, LOL!
I love his energy,all over the room man
Finally got the lighting right in this studio
Hmm. This will be the only reason for me to get on Spotify and listen to a Rogan podcast. I love Matty with a passion 😩😩😭
for sure. absolutely correct man
Spotify is dope
Bro you should worship rogan, although Spotify SUCKS ASS, you can only get video on the phone so I feels, oh ya and joe and matty for president!
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The guest that will make people go to Spotify. 😂 love Matty!
Give us the full podcast on RUclips man!
As a prior member of the LDS church this isn't the best representation of what happens when you leave.
I left and they were sad to see me leave but never held information about me as leverage over me to get me to stay.
He remembers the dogmatism but can't remember any of the reasoning behind it.
Matty is so funny when he cooks. Love it, big ups Matty!
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Bearly
I'm a Mormon and I've never heard of a high bishop lol. Matty is hilarious.
High deacon not high bishop
@@umightlikeme33 yep! That's what I meant 😂
Yeah high deacon isn’t a thing lol. The boys become deacons when they turn 12
@@BillyTheKidAudit take a psychology class. Children believe whatever they're told. And why wouldn't that be the case. Everyone's born knowing nothing including not knowing what lies are or how to critically think. Children eventually turn into adults who are free to do whatever they want. Most adults will just do what they were taught as children.
Agree. mormon here too brother much love
new JRE studio getting all of my favourite guests
Ok now I’m getting Spotify! This is the straw that broke my back
They were not excommunicated, they removed themselves from church records.
They may have changed some details of their data but it’s highly unlikely they were removed from the archives. The COLS have the largest genealogical library/archive on earth inside of Granite mountain in Utah. They are definitely still in it.
@@tonyanzalone384 Be careful of your tone, otherwise you might not become a God of your own planet one day :)
@@tonyanzalone384 careful there bud, you wouldn't want your anger to lead you to your folly and end up perishing in eternal hell fire
Anybody who believes in mormonism is almost as stupid asa scientologist. And once you're in their data base youll never be out of it. Also if you ever used a genealogy website, you gave all the info to the mormon church. Theyre VERY sinister and evil
If anyone wants to be "stricken" of the book, the trash comes on Tuesdays where I live. I don't know what this guy is talking about, and if you want to see those deep dark secrets they have on your family, just go to FamilySearch.org. It's like Ancestry, but free. They've got census records and sometimes people put pictures of their grandparents on there... super dark!
He doesn't realize it but he makes everyone's day better
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I don't think so
I enjoyed his interview with Tom Segura
Definitely not worse
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Been waiting for this one!!!! It's a not disappoint shout out to MaddieMattz
I also grew up hard-core Mormon. No caffeinated drinks or PG-13 movies. Thought that evolution and homosexuality were evil etc... I envy this guy. I wish my parents left when i was a child instead of figuring it out as an adult.
Theres benefits to that though. You prolly have a good head on your shoulders
I attended a Mormon College. Trust me when I tell you they don't believe that evolution is evil. At least not a professor I had. He said let people go one day without the benefits of organic evolution, and the modern conveniences it provides us, they will quickly change their mind!
Same here. I’m 20 but I feel so left behind in many aspects of life
One thing JRE has taught me that people are way more interesting than we expect them to be. First kudos to Mr Joe "DMT" Rogan for inviting and having awesome conversations.
Secondly please come back to RUclips.
one thing that Joe has taught me is that you can be a meathead and still be successful.
@@gerrydooley951 One thing that he taught me that anyone can be bought and censored for enough money
I am Mormon not active anymore and have friends and family are and none of this I've ever dealt with or seen it.
I grew up in Utah with a Mormon family, everything he’s saying is spot on. At least. In Utah - Idaho
Do you give them money?
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@@BettyWhite2171 10% of everything I earned. Even when I was a child. My grandparents give 20% of their paychecks. Even when I got birthday money they expected me to pay tithing.
Loooooove Matty! Can't wait to listen.
Very happy you made onto to JRE, eh. Proud Northern.
Been Mormon my entire life. Didn't know bishops families had front row access. What the heck man!? Also we can't drink Coke or watch Simpsons? This sucks
Yeah this guy is wack
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burh what dominion were you part of he's talking straight facts😅
Grew up Mormon. Parents were one of those ultra Molly Mormons. Had the same experiences as him not being able to watch anything above pg and stupid shit like that. Glad I finally left though
Haha right! Although I think it's more the puritan culture of the church that has it's members create these "spirit of the law" rules
Oh yes I also go straight from coke soft drinks to acid too my guy was risking it all
this whole podcast was great
I grew up in Utah & I will never forget being over at a girls house with my buddy& the dad rolled in to tell us it was late & we had to leave. He was wearing nothing but those underwear ensembles. They are incredibly see thru, it was a rather uncomfortable encounter.
you lying bro, you wear garments over your under wear and clothes, its a thin white silk under shirt or boxers, its not underwear lmaoooo, also I live in Lehi you talking about abby remond? lol
@@444dre6 Doesn't matter how it's worn. It's foolishness and has nothing to do with God.
@@michaelseeker9680 lmao you dumb, you’re wearing it cuz it’s cumfy, not for god it’s just to go over your bra & underwear so you know all family’s are equal & not wearin shit to impress, it’s like Sunday best where erry one is in the same attire and you know it, lol you rlly worked up over a god fam
@@444dre6 I know what it is bro...I lived that life for almost 20 years. This guy was free ballin in his Mormon garments & they were 100% see thru in that light. My buddy, myself & the dudes daughter all got a show. What benefit is it to myself to make this up?
You mean the magical underwear? I think that's what they are called!
Looking at the comments seeing people here for Matty and not Joe is awesome, and seeing JRE fans like Who TF is this guy is also just as great
Big Joe Rogan fan here. I like Matty a lot too. It's kinda funny he was on the JRE literally right after Action Bronson was like when Action did his cooking show on Vice and then Matty came in right after Bronson left.
I'm never here for Joe lol
This guy has an incredible burger restaurant in Toronto called “Mattys Pattys Burger Club” so good
I mean this with all love but he looks like a person who offer to make me a burger and id be excited cause ik its about to slap
He has a great cheese burger tutorial on youtube
i followed the recipe, best burger I ever had
@@jeffreyrobert3342 Facts. Man's is a Culinary Gem
It's pretty damn good.
@@jeffreyrobert3342 ya I’m from Vancouver and got the opportunity to visit Toronto for 5 nights, and i stumbled in there not knowing it was Matty Mathesons from Vice 😅, been itching to travel back to Toronto just to eat these burgers again
Going back almost 20 years ago I had a buddy in the Army who grew up in Utah as a Morman. He went from being super sheltered to drinking, smoking cigarettes, chasing girls and all the other stuff that young soldiers typically do. I never thought of that stuff as anything crazy, but to him it was a completely different world. He told me one day that he could never go back to Utah and relate to the people he knew there.
Hahaha Mattys comeback tho “I’m busy I have 6 jobs”
Literally thought this was that strongman that doesn't believe in squats.
Deadlifts*
Robert oberst or whatever his name is?
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Imagine referencing someone and getting it wrong, while trying to be snarky
The records the Church has are records like birth, baptism, where you’ve lived, served you mission and things like that. It’s just record keeping then like, “We know all your secrets and will blackmail you with it!” It also helps your local church congregation keep in touch with you.
No it helps them hound you.
Love your food Matty. Get it everytime you do the Fort Erie thing.
Delicious.
I think he's talking about Nauvoo, IL and Carthage, IL when he mentions the hill and the jail where Joseph Smith died... I live so near to there and it is a very surreal place. My uncle always stops in when he's back to get a t-shirt from the mormon gift shop that says 'I
I live 20 mins away from Matty's chicken restaurant...love his content!
Is it in liberty village i remember seenin him there a few times
@@jasongodify the one I know of is in Fort Erie
Who else thought this was an OG episode that somehow slipped through the cracks because of the guest’s red curtain backdrop?
Love Matty! Imagine if he was a ufc commentator such inthusiasm
Very few people understand that the Mormon church does a lot of social services for people in their church and also the communities. Several times in my childhood they gave my family food and financial help. The tithing is actually effectively used.
Lol say that to the 100 billion the church is sitting on in tithing money!!!
Haha Mormonism is a straight cult created by a dude in a cave.
@@claytonkickflip7595 pretty much every religion is but in the end I look at what they do and I’m sure most people who want to rag on the Mormon church do little to nothing and want to judge the world from their own high horse. So keep being a negative person and let my know how happy you are in 20 years.
@@williamjones8414 There is a huge difference between being negative or unhappy and realizing the insanity of a belief that wishes to sculpt people’s lives and take their money.
@@claytonkickflip7595 thank you I’m in need of life lessons from people on the internet. Cause these people know better and will always let me know.
Matty once came to my door to tell me the good news. I didn't convert to Mormonism, but he did give me a great recipe idea for flank steak
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lolol pro
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Joe Rogan's religion is that smug posture while discussing religion.
Are you wearing LDS underwear writing this?
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Yes
@@heidi7151 lol you know Joseph smith is a convicted felon right? Was arrest at 18 for fraud, funny how they don’t teach you that in Sunday school
Being Mormon kind of sucks ngl
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I'm not Mormon but I've heard it's a loooot of waking up early and also no booze.
Matty Toronto legend 🙌🏻🙌🏻❤️
I enjoy these two guys. Much love! I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. There are a lot of misconceptions when it comes to any religion, but it doesn’t mean that Matty’s feelings are invalid. Also, a RUclips comment section is not the best way to debate over religion. 😂
I was raised Mormon up until a couple years ago and I can totally relate to never having a can of coke thing as well as that “once they let go of the reins” comment it’s safe to say hiding a child from all the dangers of the world is a sure fire way for them to eventually indulge in them I went from never having a cup of coffee a day in my life to doing oxycodone and xanax my freshman year of high school
I swear... as I'm writing this, im listening to it on spotify.. love you Joe
Lol, that's some inception level s*** man.
Love this
6:00 the connection between that and tick tok glitched my brain for a sec damn
it’s hard to get records out of the church bc if you don’t do it through local bishopric (which is awkward) they send ur request to their law firm ‘kirton mcconky’ who draws out the process over many months in order to dissuade you from following through with it. they want to keep the membership numbers up even if ppl aren’t actually attending
I’d never heard of that (ex-mo here) but i looked it up and ur not lying
I’ve never heard of him but I like this guys vibe.
hes great bro, awesome cooking show
His cooking show is fucking gold
Watch the noodling video with matt and brad
@@SCARx497 I second this, the noodling video is absolute gold
His cooking show belongs on Adult Swin, it's hilarious. Checl his RUclips channel
OH. MY. GOD. I'm from Nova Scotia and hearing this man talk like all of us on JRE is fucking beautiful lmfaooo
As someone who was baptized in the morman church it’s crazy man
I’m an ex Mormon too and this is all bringing back so many memories😂😂😂. I love this. It’s true the Mormon church knows everything about it’s members it’s so scary. That’s one reason why I left among so many other crazy creepy cult things.
But they also do that genealogy work for everyone and their resources are used a ton by non-Mormons to learn about their histories
@@BKDBut you’re not wrong on that one
I was also brought up Mormon and also left the church in my twenties (currently 31 and doing medical school because I'm a crazy SOB). I have to say this segment was hilarious, Matty seems like a really great guy who is 100% adding value to society through his art. I'm not sure though that Matty is the best guy to comment on the nuances of the LDS church if he can't even remember Joseph Smith's name lol. He got some stuff correct, but he either doesn't understand some key components and teachings of the church, or is intentionally trying to distance himself from them by pretending not to understand them (which is human nature of course). In spite of the fact that I don't agree with many of the teachings of the church, I feel compelled to say that of those in the church who live it and love it, you will never meet a finer group of people. They render all kinds aid and feed countless people throughout the world through their humanitarian efforts. The church doesn't extort you for money, nor do they blackmail you if you want to leave or force you to appear before a "tribunal" for people having children out of wedlock; the entire time I was a member I was free to do whatever I wanted. In fact, the freedom to choose is a key teaching of the LDS church. I would certainly not label the church as a cult, they are a religious group like any other, they just have a bomb recruiting department in which they have invested heavily (the missionaries). The missionaries are super nice kids. if you ever feel the need to beat the shit out of any of them, I'd say that's more a problem with you than with them, because they are--for the most part--very respectful of boundaries. They do believe some wacky things, but I would say that they are not even close to being in the same lane as scientology. I personally don't think it matters what religion you belong to so long as you love your nieghbor and treat everyone with respect and dignity. Much love from Pennsylvania.
Personally I think religion is the absolute biggest scam on the planet.
But everyone is different.
Good luck in med school.
My mentally unstable sister got exed for a baby out of wedlock. She even married the loser but still exed. It was the 80s and the church ran high on fueled SHAME.
It wouldn't THINK of doing that now.
Gavin, very respectful comments. I have been on both sides of this argument. Born and raised Southern Baptist, converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and for the last few years stepped away from all religion. I respect those who practice a religion, and live my life as someone who honors Christ.
Hey well said brother.
I agree with this comment. I do not believe Mormonism is true, but Mormons tend to be nice people. There are some things in Mormonism that some make sense , but their culture seems to be one of honesty and friendliness. I think Mormonism in the 20th century mellowed a lot and became (on the outside) more like mainstream Christianity in that, day-to-day, you’re just supposed to read your Bible and not be a jerk. Edit: “don’t make sense” not “some make sense”
My world is now complete - Joe & Matty!
My moms side of the family were Mormon early in her life but left around the time she finished high school mid 80’s. To this day they still send her a yearly letter or something of the sort.
I grew up Mormon too and my whole family is still very active. I've tried for YEARS to leave the church officially, and they refuse to kill my record. You literally need a lawyer to officially leave the church. Matty is 100% correct.
My dad left after about a week of asking like 5 years ago. They may have changed it though
Lol they can't FORCE you to go to church... If you decide you want out, don't go !! What are they gonna do? Send some Mormon ninjas to your house to capture you & drag you into church??
You actually just have to write a letter and that's it. Not quite sure how people come up with all this stuff. Of course, somebody will try to have a conversation with you because it is a massive process if people ever wanted to come back, but if you are certain then it's truly not a big deal. I've seen it done several times.
@@mikefrost5481 lmao, for real. How hard is it not to go to church. Unless they have a gun to your head, there's no excuse.
You can leave officially without having your record removed. They are allowed to keep records of what happens in their organization. Removing all of your records is like forcing them to pretend you were never there Which isn’t true. Don’t act like they didn’t allow you to stop being a member.
The coca cola to acid pipeline is harshly present in the mormon community.
10000% exmormons love psychedelics and I still don’t know why
lol I've never even heard of this. Must be regional.
Or even some of us active mormons who enjoy some psychedelics
Hey us mormons do 24 hour fasts to feel the spirit. Which has been shown to produce more DMT in the brain... Just saying
@@LimewaterMusic It's a taste for the religious experience which is the factor here
Aye powerful truth angels!
Lol I haven't live anything called life listening this guy. 😂😂🤣🤣 I can listen to this episode for a gazillion times.
Is BOB LAZAR ever coming back for a followup? I’m very interested in how he thinks about the releases of the pentagon footages!!
😂
He’s gone 👽
annnd I just found out how fast I can open Spotify.
More of these type of guests plz bro jogan
This is the level of commentary you are prepared to handle
Love this guy.
FINALLY. Was wondering when Joe would extend an invite to the great Mr. Matheson
I know right , about time
A lot of us Mormons/LDS love watching Joe Rogan. And I love when ex Mormons talk about the church and blow it out of proportion. This guy was a treat. It be cool if Joe got an actual practicing Mormon on his podcast.
That'll be the day.
Same - clearly the way Joe and him represent it is crazy. I just had a laugh. And if you look at ANY religion from an Atheist's perspective it's ALWAYS going to sound crazy. You either choose to believe in a higher power or you don't.
@@Brandonhart100 well said.
SINNER!!!!!!!!! ❌❌❌❌
@@Brandonhart100 im not religious (although I am starting to think the Christians are onto something), what you said is very true. Atheists annoy me because throughout all of human history we have been religious creatures, but now all of a sudden the Atheists think they're over that, that they're the smartest people that have ever lived.
My girlfriends father was raised Jewish and met his wife and and graduated from University of Utah. He wanted to have a family in Utah because it was a great community .He worked at the local highschool mentoring "troubled" kids. He would always make jokes and make people laugh and really engage with you. he never really fully converted but his family . He passed early due to medical reason and hundreds of letters were sent from past students saying he really helped them. Its hard to believe he wont be on the same tier.
I grew up mormon too. I was raised in liberty, missouri which is where the jail is that matty was talking about. The place is basically a mormon mecca. My mom left the church when I was 10 or 11 and I can still remember my first soda and being able to watch football on sundays.
I still find it amazing when Ontario people are on Rogan lol. Yeah I live there lol. Crazy canadian 😜
I live like 30 minutes from his restaurant and yeah its kind of crazy seeing someone from Ontario
...haha ya, this is extra surreal for me because I grew up down the street from Matty, we went to the same schools and I was good friends with his older brother Steve. Spent tons of time at his house. Their parents always let the neighbourhood teens hang out there
Awesome to see him so successful, his family are great people, his Mom and Dad are two of the coolest, most down to earth parents a kid could ask for
Fort Erie baby.
If this whole episode was on youtube i would watch it and like it and share it.
I know! It blows joe sold out
Blah blah blah same comment different clip. Don’t like it? Well stop watching altogether cause we hate you
@@GLo1991 Wow you hate people for liking watching something on youtube? Nice on G Lo, you seem like a great guy.
@@jonathansoko1085 this whole episode is three clicks away. Don’t be fuckin lazy and talk about “if this was on RUclips” shit
I love Matty he really is awesome
I miss his entire podcasts