@@ZactoshiPoor Torterra especially. Being defeated by the same rival without a single win across all three evolutionary stages *and* being mopped *upon* evolving.
Paul: The Sinnoh Team wasn’t that bad, even if they are in last. I think they are ok, since they did manage to win more. Ash's Infernape nods with respect.
I honestly think it makes total narrative sense for Sinnoh to be Ash's lowest win rate because it was the series most dedicated to challenging him and his training methods throughout its entire run. But the whole point is that Ash is so determined and creative that he always gets back up and pushes for wins no matter how many times he loses, and unlike Paul, refuses to compromise his Pokémon's feelings in order to achieve it. Ash won where it mattered, which is why the Sinnoh team resonates with the audience so much regardless of the statistics. Because they're full of personality and we see them continually working to grow rather than having the Ace of the region completely overshadow everything. Even if Infernape did carry the win rate and have the most story significance, he wasn't the only one we got to see. Which is why the overall team is so great.
Reminds me of what one of my old coaches told me: if your win rate is below 50%, you need to work harder and train yourself up. If your win rate is above 50%, then you aren’t challenging yourself. Go find better competition and compete with them until your win rate is 50% again. Once you are good enough at that level to be above 50%, go to the next level up.
The 60% for the Journeys Team is actually phenomenal when you think about it. I felt like in that series, Ash faced his toughest opponents in the big leagues. The fact that he got a 60% team win rate is nothing short of impressive in my opinion.
Yeah.... I mean most of Ash's pokemon and his battling style revolves around unpredictability as well skirmishes around the energy which usually makes them atleast win 1 but looses the next.
@@Notabasket The difference is that Mimey was already out on the field and finished a battle before he quit. I don't recall Oshawott to ever straight up refuse to battle when Ash wanted him to.
I don’t think Ash’s Sinnoh team having a low win rate has anything to do with his team being weak but more so the strength of his opponents. I mean he faced off against multiple Elite 4 members, lost to Paul multiple times, Palmer, gym leader losses, etc
The most likely reason why Sinnoh's team is the one with the lowest winrate is probably because the writers really wanted to make Ash lose a lot of battles. Which was something I noticed while watching DP. In most of the gyms, Ash would have to rematch them up to 2 or even 3 times. Edit: I even predicted it to be the lowest, when Zac said "I couldn't believe this" thats when I had the gotch ya moment.
The Sinnoh team having the lowest win rate made me realize just how much of a menace Paul was back in the day. Bro was really on that demon time the entire series with how he was violating Ash left and right. And it's not just Paul, but Sinnoh seemed to have a lot of strong trainers. Like wtf do they eat over there to make them mfs that tough?
I think the thing that really helps the Kanto team is that they’ve had the most opportunities to come back, and most of the time the writers aren’t gonna go out of their way to bring them back just to lose
Yeah everytime snorlax came back it always took down at least one opponent before being taken down itself. The kanto starters did great in the johto league overshadowing the pokemon ash caught in Johto
It was also skewed by the one or two victories his Tauros, Mr. Mime, Primeape, and Kingler had since they had so few battles but a lot of wins, causing them to have a higher percentage in wins whereas the Pokemon with lower wins probably had more battles.
That as well as the fact that Kanto's worst Pokemon barely battled at all. Like Muk has 2 battles, Lapras has 2 battles, Butterfree has 3 battles, etc. So Kanto's high performers get to come back and battle a TON while the low performers get barely any action at all and thus don't drag the winrate down too much. Compare that with regions like Sinnoh and Unova where mons like Buizel, Oshawott, and Torterra got many battles but lost a ton too while in some cases the high performers like Krookodile barely got any action at all.
I'd say with Sinnoh, it's not that the team was bad, the threats they went up against were just more intense and required more development. Just saying, future and previous teams didn't have a Paul and Cynthia if you know what I mean. Hell in journeys when we first meet them, Volkner has a higher rank than the Unova champion did before losing to Ash.
@@pn2294 dude this has nothing to do about being "interesting" its about being a threat, you may think Paul is bland or whatever but it doesn't change the fact he was the rival that challenged Ash the most, Gary was more talking than fighting, they fought very little even more so considering he was a rival for two regions, Morrison, Alain and Hau showed up at the last minute, Trip didn't fight Ash that much and when he did it was more one on one battles or with few mons, Sawyer's whole point was about him constantly losing to Ash until he finally catched up, i think the one that that got the closest in challenging Ash as much as Paul did was Gladion
@@pn2294 are you serious? Cameron fought Ash like one or two times, tell me how the hell does that compare as a challenge with Paul beating the shit out of Ash from the begining of Sinnoh up until the very end? beating him so much that it made Ash question his methods on being a trainer, made him have doubt for a moment if being kind and caring with his pokemon was the right way to go, Cameron didn't do 1% of that, the fact you brought him up out of everyone really gives me the impression your acting more on your own personal disliking of Paul rather than putting your feelings for the character aside and look at it objectively, just like those people that love to trash Unfezant while also thinking Pideot is one of the best birds Ash had even though when you actually look at it objectively you can see that in reality Pigeot sucked just as much as Unfezant did
There's a reason why Sinnoh is so down :- After Turtwig evolved, he was put in a lot of tough battles, like Barry's dad who is a Frontier Brain He had a lot of battles in Sinnoh and he can't win it all. So it is another reason. The most important reason : All battles in Sinnoh were toooo tough like the one with Barry's dad and the one with TOBIAS, THE RANDOM HACKER AND CHEATER AND FCKIN MF
Don't forget Gliscor and Buizel. I love Gliscor, but it's winrate is not great. Buizel stated off strong, but it kinda fell off in the second half of Sinnoh.
@@warwatcher91 Even I desperately love everything about Sinnoh, and Gliscor and Buizel too, but I don't think Gliscor's winrate was so bad. Yeah he was a crybaby so yeah.....
I suppose Ash's Sinnoh team being so low makes sense, as the conflict of training ideals that season were really meant to challenge him, and by facing all those losses it caused Ash to question himself, only to then rise above in the end. Until Darkrai.
Talonflame was quite the double-edged sword for the Kalos team, he participated in nearly every single major battle Ash had in that season, (Probably one of if not the highest gym battle counts outside of starters) but he was also forced to be the first or second one out meaning all he could really do was either A. Lose immediately, or B. Knock one out, THEN lose. Noivern did jackshit for his team tho.
@@ladyselin35yeah swellow never went down without taking someone with it, making it easily ashes best and most reliable bird, especially since it fought so often
@@ladyselin35Eh that's a stretch. Swellow didn't get used until the latter half of Hoenn during Winona's gym battle. It lost in Ash's first battle against Brawly and then never got used. Even in the Hoenn League, Ash doesn't use Swellow until the victory tournament where the matches are full battles. Sure, that's where Swellow picked up most of its wins (2 against Katie, 2 against Tyson, and Drawed against Morrison), but that doesn't account for much. It's a good thing it got more usage in the Battle Frontier against Tucker and Spencer. Meanwhile the only battle that Talonflame didn't participate in (to the best of our knowledge since we don't know what teams Ash used in the first two rounds of the Kalos League) was Clemont's, which makes sense given his typing. Granted, this doesn't take away from Swellow's overall prowess, but saying he used Talonflame like he used Swellow is pretty inaccurate given their usages.
It kinda does make sense for the OG team to get first overall because some of them carried over into Johto as well. Therefore, more battles and more wins.
Unova above Sinnoh is interesting , btw Congrats to Alola team for making in top 3 . I mean it's my fav series , I hope people understand how epic this series was .
@@mattiasolsson1523 kid friendly apart from the many death references with stoutland and mallows mothers as well as the whole faba erasing lilies' mind thing. Like some of these episodes get very dark
Despite only having a 46% win rate, Sirfetch'd definitely had some incredible moments. And that does include like you said, almost defeating Cynthia's Garchomp. That moment alone made me tear up and salute when it fainted whilst still standing.
I always guessed Ash's strongest team would be his Kanto. Most of them were probably strong rather than other teams carried by one pokemon. This team comprises of pikachu, zard, snorlax, bulbasaur four of Ash's strongest pokemon in one team along with kingler and squirtle which r strong too.
@@_Koyomi_ By plot armor. This guy went to Battle Frontier with non evolved pokemons. Swellow had to carry. Grovyle,Corpish, Torkoal, swellow was normally too weak against buffed pokemons like that.
I think the problem comes from taking the overall win rates throughout the entire series as opposed to each region . If the stats were only up until the orange islands,then we'd see a different result.
@coreylee05 if they had more losses than wins they aren't good ENOUGH, and they certainly aren't strong with that kind of performance. Weak Pokemon exist and deserve the hate and disrespect they get
I can't believe Dracovish, who still knows water gun, is the second best of Ash's Journey captures. And my boy Sirfetch'd is at the bottom, uhh...what! I expected more from the non-ace duck who almost defeated Cynthia's Garchomp. Dude deserves more respect.
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 Lucario was the best written team member AND the best performing one. Far as I'm concerned, if ur win rate is not at least 50 percent, ur not worth anything no matter what the context Plus sirfetch'd didn't even get much of anything for almost 20 episodes after his capture and lost to the same opponent twice. That is embarrassing
@@eljordinio7647 Just because someone wins more doesn’t mean they’re better characters. Lucario did get the most focus, but most of that was because he was the ‘Mon that Ash was always meant to have, he had access to Mega Evolution, and he was the spiritual successor to Ash-Greninja. I’d be lying if I said that he didn’t actually grow, but the only real obstacles he had were Bea and Cynthia. Sirfetch’d, on the other hand, was a similar character who loved to battle and wanted to get stronger. But, since he had to work harder at it than Lucario, his training episodes (which weren’t much fewer than Lucario’s) meant more to me. Ash was an underdog; even in Journeys, the world saw him as a dark horse, barely even recognizing him as a Champion until the Masters Tournament. And, Sirfetch’d was very much that, and the fact is that he contributed to Ash’s wins against Cynthia and Leon. It was Sirfetch’d who really put the hurt on Garchomp (which no one else was seen to have done), and she still almost beat Lucario at his best while she was at her worst. Lucario, on the other hand, didn’t even make it to Rillaboom (who served as the big gatekeeper before Charizard), while Sirfetch’d could at least tag-team it with Dracovish. Even if Sirfetch’d wasn’t better-written than Lucario, it wouldn’t be due to him losing more than Lucario.
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 it also doesn't mean that underachievers should get any leniency or that their overall failures should be ignored Sure sirfetch'd put in the work a lot for ash but it wasn't enough. That's like saying that underachievers should not have to work harder cos simply doing their best is good enough. With a win rate like that it's unacceptable. Least Dragonite, who also jobbed a lot and has the second lowest win rate, ended up with a passable one The Alola team had no weakest links since everyone's win rate was passable, if not stellar. We didn't need them reverting back to making certain Pokemon lose a lot more and look bad. We had enough of that with trash like torterra, Noivern and Torkoal who are only known for their weakness
Alola at least being second makes me happy. It’s such an underrated series plus Ash seems the happiest in Alola. I hope we see him living his best life in Alola in Pokémon Horizons… would be nice to see the Horizons crew visit Alola & see the regions first champion & world champion go about his daily business 😅
You know, the thing with these is it doesn't reflect the opponent the pokemon won and lost against. Like Dragonite took down some power houses, and fell to power houses on it's side.
Exactly. Context matters, for example he’s clowned Sceptile for his win rate multiple times on this channel but it’s hilarious to pretend he’s not one of the strongest mons Ash has. Sirfetch’d is another example of win rate not telling the full story, great mons can have bad win rates.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 so what? All I care about when it comes to win rates is whether they're 50 percent or above. If not, no underachievers are worth respecting no matter what feats or context they have
Wow, was not expecting Kanto to come in first place, like I was shocked but then remembering Pikachu, Charizard, and Snorlax made it a bit less shocking. Kalos and especially Sinnoh being as low as they are was super surprising; guess we were prisoners of the moment with those teams.
Gotta say, didn't expect the Kanto team to win, but sure am glad that it did. Talk about taking back a few years. Those were the days. Squirtle with the coolest Hydro Pump, Charizard, The Ace through 3 gens, and absurdly just that (whatever), Bulbasaur, the king of HR, and our boy Snorlax. And the end All be All on top of the cake... Pikachu himself. First gen plus orange league, probably the best times in Pokémon.
I must say it's very interesting to see the Win Rates of Ash's Pokemon individually and every team from their respective region! Not bad but very surprised to see how it ended up as!
I’m curious if the rankings are the same if you go by actual wins and losses Ash has had in each region rather than comparing individual mons. I ask cause when it comes to a mon basis, its easy for data to be skewed by the size of his full team and the mons he used in given battles (basically the pikachu problem). Sorta a which Ash Ketchum is the strongest rather than which team is the strongest.
Part of why the teams that do have the W/L ratios they do is because of how battles are setup in those series. Gen 1 Anime battles were a lot shorter and to the point, so you have more moments like Kingler sweeping an entire battle in the league and Ash not having a 6v6 battle at all. The average 6v6 means you're likely going to see 5 of Ash's mons faint to add tension to the battle, which is an extra 5 losses any time one happens. Winning a battle 6-5 (having one mon left at the end of a 6v6) is roughly a 54% win rate. Winning a Battle 3-2 (having one mon left at the end of a 3v3) is a 60% win rate. Do this enough times, and the ratios favor the series with shorter battles. It's why the series with the most 6v6 battles (DP and XYZ) have some of the lowest ratios. The inverse goes for the #2 Alola, which only had one 6v6 with Ash Vs. Kukui. Since most battles were brief spurts of action, they didn't make Ash lose 5 mons repeatedly for dramatic tension. Shorter battles means less losses within those battles.
While I'm happy Kanto got 1st place, I should point out that the reason Ash's Kanto team took the win is likely because of how much they get brought back. Because they were Ash's first team, they're obviously going to have more time and opportunity to come back and snag a few more wins. Thanks, Nostalgia. Such cases include the Battle Frontier, the Sinnoh league, Charizard in Unova, and most of Jhoto. Yeah, Jhoto kinda got the short end of the stick since they had to share a lot of their screen time with the Kanto team. Nevertheless, congratulations, Kanto!
You know as endearing as I found a lot of Aim to Be a Master episodes to be, this vid really highlights how hard the writers dropped the ball with giving his old mons some action. It's bonkers that only Corphish got to have a proper battle in that series and it was a loss at that. Beyond that, great vid. I gotta say the overall team rankings definitely caught me off guard a bit. I guess it really shows how much the narrative can affect overall team performance. Sinnoh had such brutal competition while Kanto mons got to come back many times and put on a show for instance.
I would've also liked to see a point score of some kind come into play, as it isn't exactly fair if one pokemon has won 3/4 battles with a 75% win rate, and another has one 60/100 battles, giving it a 60% win rate. I think giving 1 point for a win, none for a tie, and -1 for a loss could better indicate the ranking of the teams.
7:35 Well,it makes sense plot wise since Ash mostly loses to his Sinnoh rival for development…and of course,most of his pokémon there are just caught in that same gen. But I think win rates does not matter for Ash’s current titles since beginning battle’ results are counted too and we all start from newbies.
Reason why Sinnoh team is ranked so low : 1) Tough battles and opponents : Paul, Flint, Volkner , Barry's dad , Cynthia etc etc. 2) less battles in the sinnoh league : A lot of ash's old gen pokemons participated in the league . 3) foreshadowing the other pokemons to make space for Infernape. Still the other pokemons like Buizel, Staraptor and Gliscor are some of the most loved pokemons of ash. 4) a better story and development , probably why DP is considered one of the best Pokémon series.
The Kanto Team is slightly unfair, because that's the only team where Ash actively used his Pokémon even after leaving the region he caught them in. The Kanto starters were heavily used way late into Johto and that affects the numbers of the Johto mons. Same goes for the Battle Frontier, Ash's use of particularly his Kanto Pokémon affected them numbers if his Hoenn team (though the Battle Frontier is a little more forgivable since he was just retraveling through Kanto again). So by default, the Kanto mons have higher numbers simply because he used them more than other Pokémon. If you counted only the battles fought in the Regions of the seasons the Pokémon were caught in (not counting Pikachu because he was everywhere and you gave him identical numbers so he didn't twist the total too much), then Kanto would be the lowest
Something like oak telling ash about a past trainer who was as strong as him ( red ) but he vanished years ago then ash uses his strongest team heads to find red and then we get a epic ash vs red clash
@@theofficialliedetector1545 bro just said what everyone knows I am fully aware ash is reds counterpart but again the whole idea is hypocritical why take it seriously
It's honestly crazier though, its understandable that his journeys team has a not so great overall winrate because of the fact that they don't get much screentime and are also battling the best of the best
I think something that would be really interesting is how all these win/lose rates compare to the number of episodes per Region. Series with more episodes have more room for wins, but also more room for losses. So I wonder if longer series (the ones with more filler) have a tendency to inflate the win rate, loss rate, or try to balance it out.
The Alola team is only underrated because Poipole barely got any battle experience and Meltan showed up super late so really, Rowlet, Torracat, and Lycanroc got all the attention, including Pikachu of course.
This is a small error, but I’m pretty sure Kingler’s win rate should be 83%, not 71%. Both you and that one chart counts Kingler’s battle against Pete’s arcanine as a lost, but during the battle against Pete, Ash recalled Kingler before he was declared as unable to battle. Bulbapedia also says that Kingler was recalled instead of defeated, if you want to double check there.
Interesting stats but I think the Sinnoh and Johto teams were hurt by the other generations stealing their screen time in the League. Same with the Kalos league with only 2 full battles.
I would argue that most of the matches in the Journeys era were against heavy lifters. In Kanto, it was his "beginner" era so there weren't as many hard matches as in Journeys. (I do remember Metapod v Metapod, greatest match of all time)
Something that needs to be said is that averages can sometimes be misleading, especially with something abstract as strength. There are dozens of factors that can contribute to a win or a loss including the strength of your opponent, your state of mind, and how strong your partner is at the time. So you cannot definitively say Ash's Kanto team is the strongest because things are in flux constantly.
sinnoh is due to many 6v6 battles, if it were more like the newer ones like 3v3s likely the win rate would be a tiny bit higher maybe because he has a quick sweep team
I think you should also factor in opponents, gym battles and rivals to contextualise the win rates. I think Ash’s team got progressively better each series excluding Unova and Johto. Unova because they tried rebooting Ash back into a novice. Johto because Ash mainly relied on his Kanto Pokémon for tough battles.
well, definitely didn't expect kanto to be ash's best team in terms of win rate. though to be fair the competition ash was up against at the time pales in comparison to what he was up against in kalos, alola(with kukui, gladion, guzma, and gladion), and journeys, so that makes sense. was pretty fun, though context / feats are still pretty important to consider, not just win rate alone.
It is interesting to think that his official win rate is so low when compared to his successes. Makes me feel even more strongly about the games having more challenging modes.
1st place suprised me. I think just because the 1st series wasn't as good as later series for various reasons (looking at you indigo league) that doesnt mean his pokemon were bad at battling for the most part! Awesome video bro
It’s nice to have the numbers even if they aren’t indicative of strength. A lot of Ash’s Pokémon with high win rates either didn’t battle much, or were fighting much weaker opponents. Losing to one of Leon’s Pokémon isn’t the same as losing to a random trainer’s or even a gym leader’s
Sinnoh team being last makes total sense considering Ash was continuously taking losses from paul and training his team. None of them were jobbers in that team except Torterra who had great potential before evolving. Even Gliscor redeemed itself in semi finals by taking out Paul's busted Drapion. Staraptor was the best bird in terms of raw power, buizel did pretty well in gym battles, Infernape was unstoppable after mastering blaze ability, Gible just needed more screentime to show how powerful it was.
This is kinda flawed because if a Pokémon faints (Ex: Talonflame) after almost defeating an opponent, and then, Ash chooses another Pokémon (Ex: Noivern) and it defeats the opponent with only 1 move, almost the whole effort was made by the first Pokémon, the second Ash chose only had to deal with a 1HP Pokémon. Despite that, I consider this a valid video
Kanto makes since. Pokemon he has had the longest. So they had the most training time and more fights. So I would also assume they where stronger with the mentality that they where at it longer.
Journeys contains the the strongest trainers from mid series to end so the 60% makes sense, and in Alola Ash was already a stellar trainer compared to the rest within the region.
I think you need to consider that the Sinnoh team had a *lot* more 6v6 battles going on. Poor Torterra got done so dirty from the moment it evolved though ;-; The frustrating bit of the later seasons wound up being how one pokemon would usually get supercharged and overshadow the rest to a *stupid* degree in terms of both development and battles. Greninja *ruined* the Kalos season, and Lucario was way too over-pushed in Journeys, which makes them both feel heavily distorted in terms of how good they come across, and the rest of the team is just... there to lose so they can win.
Pikachu in tournaments/league ever since that loss to Cameron’s Lucario: 13W 2L 2T {Wins against Slaking, Tyranitar, Metagross, TAPU KOKO, SILVALLY, Mega Metagross (Ace), Gastrodon, Cinderace and Leon’s Charizard (Ace)} Win rate of 76% 2 trophies 🏆 2 Finals MVP (vs Alain and Leon) Damn he burst
Honestly Ash got a lot of easy wins in the earlier stages of the anime (Kanto, Johto, etc) so I'm not surprised to see his Kanto's team so high. He (and his Pokemon) had to work much harder in the later seasons, and while he's always had to learn lessons throughout each eras, the lessons in the first seasons often felt shallow or like a simple spoke in his wheel - whereas, later on, it felt like Ash was properly challenged. The fights also got better in general, and the Pokemon were allowed to use stronger moves and more thought-out strategies in the later seasons - and that went both ways ; both his Pokemon and his challengers', resulting sometimes in more losses for him. A unrealistic dream of mine is some sort of original series reboot where the first few seasons are brought up to today's standards. I think that would be fun to watch.
I've seen some back and forth about how much stock to put into winrates and like most things, i think it is a bit of both. Context tells us how strong the Pokémon generally is while win rates tell us how reliable they are at these levels. Let's look at Sirfetched. He has shown based on feats that he can, when pushed, hang around champion level Pokémon. Though his winrate would suggest he's unreliable at these levels. He is more consistent at the high league- elite 4 level of trainers. Lucario, on the other hand, is an example of a Pokémon who is truly champion level due to consistency. Not only has he fought champion level Pokémon but, he consistently can win those fights. Lucario is both powerful and reliable. Sirfetched is strong but, unreliable at the top tier of Pokémon battles. That's my perspective anyway.
Let us tell what Pokémon of Ash has and which one of their favorite or least. Unova team is definitly not his strongest but the most personality of any team Ash got.
Based on all of the data, it seems like Ash's strongest team would compose of Pikachu, Lucario (plus mega evo duh), Snorlax, Charizard (if you discount the two refusals to fight it has higher than infernape and we already have a fighting type), Greninja (Let's be honest that win rate doesn't let on how busted Ash-Greninja was), and either Krookidile (based on win rate, but we already have Greninja as a dark type) or Gengar (based on quality of wins/losses and Gigantimax). The bench would include Sceptile, Infernape, Incineroar, and Melmetal (it's a mythical ffs). That team in journeys would be a tough nut to crack. Mega Evolution, Z Moves, Gigantimax just like the original Journeys team, but replaces some of the weaker members with direct upgrades. (Charizard > Dragonite, Greninja > Dracovish, Snorlax>>>>>>>>>>>Sirfetched) Hell, Ash could even find a way to bench Gengar and give the gigantimax to Snorlax instead. Imagine ASH'S SNORLAX with Gigantimax
At 1st glance I was so shocked about Sinnoh. Then I remembered Paul, and it made perfect sense. Kanto also makes Perfect sense at the top, having the most experience.
Man... Sir Kamon does ALL the heavy lifting, but constantly has to lose for it. He took on Milotic *and* Garchomp, clearing the rocks, and almost winning against that beast. And putting up any fight against Leon's steroid overloaded Rillaboom is worth a win in my book. Kamon walked so Lucario could run.
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Ash's Sinnoh Team: We want to have the highest win rate!
*Paul has entered the chat*
FACT. He did this team dirty lol
@@ZactoshiPoor Torterra especially. Being defeated by the same rival without a single win across all three evolutionary stages *and* being mopped *upon* evolving.
Paul: The Sinnoh Team wasn’t that bad, even if they are in last. I think they are ok, since they did manage to win more.
Ash's Infernape nods with respect.
By the way, Ash Ketchum's Overall Win Rate: 835 Battles: 486W; 313L; 36T; 60.5% Win Rate, above Kalos & Journeys and below Hoenn
@@Zactoshi some of them were useless anyway
I honestly think it makes total narrative sense for Sinnoh to be Ash's lowest win rate because it was the series most dedicated to challenging him and his training methods throughout its entire run. But the whole point is that Ash is so determined and creative that he always gets back up and pushes for wins no matter how many times he loses, and unlike Paul, refuses to compromise his Pokémon's feelings in order to achieve it. Ash won where it mattered, which is why the Sinnoh team resonates with the audience so much regardless of the statistics. Because they're full of personality and we see them continually working to grow rather than having the Ace of the region completely overshadow everything. Even if Infernape did carry the win rate and have the most story significance, he wasn't the only one we got to see. Which is why the overall team is so great.
Yes, very true. Numbers wise, it looks BAD, but it made for a good narrative.
Agreed
Yeah the Paul battles certainly didn't help just look at lake acuity adding 1 loss to 6/7 of them
"No matter how bad things gets,if we are United and fight together, everything iz possible".
Reminds me of what one of my old coaches told me: if your win rate is below 50%, you need to work harder and train yourself up. If your win rate is above 50%, then you aren’t challenging yourself. Go find better competition and compete with them until your win rate is 50% again. Once you are good enough at that level to be above 50%, go to the next level up.
The 60% for the Journeys Team is actually phenomenal when you think about it. I felt like in that series, Ash faced his toughest opponents in the big leagues. The fact that he got a 60% team win rate is nothing short of impressive in my opinion.
Yea
we also need to keep in mind that Lucario and Pikachu stoll a lot of fights from others too
I just liked how Journeys Team was akin to Kalos Team. Fully Evolved (minus Pikachu) and Diverse in Typing.
@@thatman666gonna be honest xy didn’t have that much team diversity we had 3 flying types two dragon types not very diverse if you ask me
Yeah.... I mean most of Ash's pokemon and his battling style revolves around unpredictability as well skirmishes around the energy which usually makes them atleast win 1 but looses the next.
If you don't count Mimey giving up against Mightyena, since he didn't faint, he's the only Pokémon Ash still has that has a 100% win rate.
I mean a forfeit is still a loss imo
@@landonsmith7057for me it’s kinda like oshawatt where he won’t fight even if he comes out of his poke ball
Some good that was
@@Notabasket The difference is that Mimey was already out on the field and finished a battle before he quit. I don't recall Oshawott to ever straight up refuse to battle when Ash wanted him to.
This is why biased stats are no good measure of how good a pokemon is. The sample size is too low
I don’t think Ash’s Sinnoh team having a low win rate has anything to do with his team being weak but more so the strength of his opponents. I mean he faced off against multiple Elite 4 members, lost to Paul multiple times, Palmer, gym leader losses, etc
Eh that just shows that plot was against Ash that series 😂
@@pn2294 cough cough Tobias 💀
@@hash2715 the cheating scum
Honestly, he didn’t lose to Paul always. At Lake Acuity, he was “destroyed.”
@@thatsoyash why is destroyed in air quotes?
The most likely reason why Sinnoh's team is the one with the lowest winrate is probably because the writers really wanted to make Ash lose a lot of battles. Which was something I noticed while watching DP. In most of the gyms, Ash would have to rematch them up to 2 or even 3 times.
Edit: I even predicted it to be the lowest, when Zac said "I couldn't believe this" thats when I had the gotch ya moment.
Not to mention all the Paul battles
The Sinnoh team having the lowest win rate made me realize just how much of a menace Paul was back in the day. Bro was really on that demon time the entire series with how he was violating Ash left and right. And it's not just Paul, but Sinnoh seemed to have a lot of strong trainers. Like wtf do they eat over there to make them mfs that tough?
I think the thing that really helps the Kanto team is that they’ve had the most opportunities to come back, and most of the time the writers aren’t gonna go out of their way to bring them back just to lose
Yeah everytime snorlax came back it always took down at least one opponent before being taken down itself. The kanto starters did great in the johto league overshadowing the pokemon ash caught in Johto
unless its tauros in battle frontier
Yeah that's true
Except with charizard against Brandon
@@eljordinio7647Charizard won against Articuno so it essentially equalizes anyway.
I'm pretty sure that the kanto team was carried a lot by the reappearances they made in the johto league and Battle frontier
Correct
It was also skewed by the one or two victories his Tauros, Mr. Mime, Primeape, and Kingler had since they had so few battles but a lot of wins, causing them to have a higher percentage in wins whereas the Pokemon with lower wins probably had more battles.
Especially Snorlax who always took down an opponent in Johto
That as well as the fact that Kanto's worst Pokemon barely battled at all. Like Muk has 2 battles, Lapras has 2 battles, Butterfree has 3 battles, etc. So Kanto's high performers get to come back and battle a TON while the low performers get barely any action at all and thus don't drag the winrate down too much. Compare that with regions like Sinnoh and Unova where mons like Buizel, Oshawott, and Torterra got many battles but lost a ton too while in some cases the high performers like Krookodile barely got any action at all.
And if I'm not mistaken, Charizard returned in the later parts of Black & White. And Charizard is just a really good Pokemon anyways, so... yeah.
Look at Pikachu asserting his dominance he takes two of the top three spots!
I'd say with Sinnoh, it's not that the team was bad, the threats they went up against were just more intense and required more development. Just saying, future and previous teams didn't have a Paul and Cynthia if you know what I mean. Hell in journeys when we first meet them, Volkner has a higher rank than the Unova champion did before losing to Ash.
I know. They had far more interesting characters than Paul.
@@pn2294 dude this has nothing to do about being "interesting" its about being a threat, you may think Paul is bland or whatever but it doesn't change the fact he was the rival that challenged Ash the most, Gary was more talking than fighting, they fought very little even more so considering he was a rival for two regions, Morrison, Alain and Hau showed up at the last minute, Trip didn't fight Ash that much and when he did it was more one on one battles or with few mons, Sawyer's whole point was about him constantly losing to Ash until he finally catched up, i think the one that that got the closest in challenging Ash as much as Paul did was Gladion
@@arthuralexander1449 Paul was a moving goalpost. If that counts as challenging then I don’t want to hear people complain about Cameron again
@@pn2294 are you serious? Cameron fought Ash like one or two times, tell me how the hell does that compare as a challenge with Paul beating the shit out of Ash from the begining of Sinnoh up until the very end? beating him so much that it made Ash question his methods on being a trainer, made him have doubt for a moment if being kind and caring with his pokemon was the right way to go, Cameron didn't do 1% of that, the fact you brought him up out of everyone really gives me the impression your acting more on your own personal disliking of Paul rather than putting your feelings for the character aside and look at it objectively, just like those people that love to trash Unfezant while also thinking Pideot is one of the best birds Ash had even though when you actually look at it objectively you can see that in reality Pigeot sucked just as much as Unfezant did
@@arthuralexander1449 It wasn’t drawn out to absurdity
Paul lasted way too long
There's a reason why Sinnoh is so down :-
After Turtwig evolved, he was put in a lot of tough battles, like Barry's dad who is a Frontier Brain
He had a lot of battles in Sinnoh and he can't win it all. So it is another reason.
The most important reason : All battles in Sinnoh were toooo tough like the one with Barry's dad and the one with TOBIAS, THE RANDOM HACKER AND CHEATER AND FCKIN MF
another reason: torterra just got shafted by the writers so they could focus on other pokemon's stories
@@pokelover1743 yeah that's also right
Don't forget Gliscor and Buizel. I love Gliscor, but it's winrate is not great. Buizel stated off strong, but it kinda fell off in the second half of Sinnoh.
@@warwatcher91 Even I desperately love everything about Sinnoh, and Gliscor and Buizel too, but I don't think Gliscor's winrate was so bad. Yeah he was a crybaby so yeah.....
@@warwatcher91 gliscor was so pathetic
I suppose Ash's Sinnoh team being so low makes sense, as the conflict of training ideals that season were really meant to challenge him, and by facing all those losses it caused Ash to question himself, only to then rise above in the end. Until Darkrai.
Talonflame was quite the double-edged sword for the Kalos team, he participated in nearly every single major battle Ash had in that season, (Probably one of if not the highest gym battle counts outside of starters) but he was also forced to be the first or second one out meaning all he could really do was either A. Lose immediately, or B. Knock one out, THEN lose. Noivern did jackshit for his team tho.
He used Talonflame like He used Swellow in Hoenn. Difference is Swellow was a boss and never went down unless taking one with it.
@@ladyselin35yeah swellow never went down without taking someone with it, making it easily ashes best and most reliable bird, especially since it fought so often
@@ladyselin35Eh that's a stretch. Swellow didn't get used until the latter half of Hoenn during Winona's gym battle. It lost in Ash's first battle against Brawly and then never got used.
Even in the Hoenn League, Ash doesn't use Swellow until the victory tournament where the matches are full battles. Sure, that's where Swellow picked up most of its wins (2 against Katie, 2 against Tyson, and Drawed against Morrison), but that doesn't account for much. It's a good thing it got more usage in the Battle Frontier against Tucker and Spencer.
Meanwhile the only battle that Talonflame didn't participate in (to the best of our knowledge since we don't know what teams Ash used in the first two rounds of the Kalos League) was Clemont's, which makes sense given his typing.
Granted, this doesn't take away from Swellow's overall prowess, but saying he used Talonflame like he used Swellow is pretty inaccurate given their usages.
Noivern kinda gets a pass. He was added late and didn't participate in gym battles
It kinda does make sense for the OG team to get first overall because some of them carried over into Johto as well. Therefore, more battles and more wins.
Talonflame's win rate may not be the best, but it battled in 7 gyms and was always used to pick up momentum for Ash.
Faaacts😭 Talonflame motivated me to train my own Badass one ❤😭😭
and talonflames evolution was the best ever, no other pokemon has ever evolved to save ash from the wrath of moltres, just saying
It's at least 50 percent which is passable
Unova above Sinnoh is interesting , btw Congrats to Alola team for making in top 3 . I mean it's my fav series , I hope people understand how epic this series was .
I'm actually not surprised. A lot of the Sinnoh teams winrates aren't great.
@@warwatcher91only Staraptor, Gible, Pikachu and Infernape had passable win rates
Im not sure to call it epic? It was mostly a kid friendly series, the league came very late so now the whole series was epic Im saying.
@@mattiasolsson1523 kid friendly apart from the many death references with stoutland and mallows mothers as well as the whole faba erasing lilies' mind thing. Like some of these episodes get very dark
Even with the inclusion of Mythical & Ultra Beast, it wouldn't justify me enough to use Alola Team because of its *HUGE GROUND WEAKNESS.*
Despite only having a 46% win rate, Sirfetch'd definitely had some incredible moments. And that does include like you said, almost defeating Cynthia's Garchomp. That moment alone made me tear up and salute when it fainted whilst still standing.
Personally I'd rank Sirfectch'd over Dragonite for his uncanny utility for removing hazards/terrain.
Sadly not enough to excuse him now that we know how bad he really is
@@thatman666 pretty sure Gengar could also do that if he used dazzling gleam on the whole field
NOBODY SAYS WHILST ANYMORE, IT'S WHILE!
@@thatman666 THERE SHOULD BE ONLY ONE C IN SIRFETCH'D!
I always guessed Ash's strongest team would be his Kanto. Most of them were probably strong rather than other teams carried by one pokemon. This team comprises of pikachu, zard, snorlax, bulbasaur four of Ash's strongest pokemon in one team along with kingler and squirtle which r strong too.
I mean Ash won battle frontier with his kanto team for nothing. His hoenn team were weak for it.
It wasn't anywhere close to his strongest team. These winrates do nothing to reflect strength.
@@zen1th636 First seasons battles were mostly won by plot armor and dumb luck anyways.
@@ladyselin35His Hoenn team wrecked ass in the battle frontier
@@_Koyomi_ By plot armor. This guy went to Battle Frontier with non evolved pokemons. Swellow had to carry. Grovyle,Corpish, Torkoal, swellow was normally too weak against buffed pokemons like that.
I think the problem comes from taking the overall win rates throughout the entire series as opposed to each region . If the stats were only up until the orange islands,then we'd see a different result.
Ash is a really great trainer. He can bring out the best in a weak Pokémon!
Torterra, Torkoal, Oshawott, Boldore, buizel, Pidgeot, and Noivern: Apparently he couldn't do that for us
Except Unfezant
@coreylee05 if they had more losses than wins they aren't good ENOUGH, and they certainly aren't strong with that kind of performance. Weak Pokemon exist and deserve the hate and disrespect they get
@@eljordinio7647 by that logic even Sirfetched is weak
@@soumyadeepmukherjee pretty much yes
I like that pikachu’s first lost and last win in journeys were against Leon’s charizard, seems so thematic
I can't believe Dracovish, who still knows water gun, is the second best of Ash's Journey captures. And my boy Sirfetch'd is at the bottom, uhh...what! I expected more from the non-ace duck who almost defeated Cynthia's Garchomp. Dude deserves more respect.
Sadly he wasn't good enough
@@eljordinio7647
Maybe he's statistically the worst, but he's still better-written than everyone else on that team (except Gengar).
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 Lucario was the best written team member AND the best performing one. Far as I'm concerned, if ur win rate is not at least 50 percent, ur not worth anything no matter what the context
Plus sirfetch'd didn't even get much of anything for almost 20 episodes after his capture and lost to the same opponent twice. That is embarrassing
@@eljordinio7647
Just because someone wins more doesn’t mean they’re better characters. Lucario did get the most focus, but most of that was because he was the ‘Mon that Ash was always meant to have, he had access to Mega Evolution, and he was the spiritual successor to Ash-Greninja. I’d be lying if I said that he didn’t actually grow, but the only real obstacles he had were Bea and Cynthia.
Sirfetch’d, on the other hand, was a similar character who loved to battle and wanted to get stronger. But, since he had to work harder at it than Lucario, his training episodes (which weren’t much fewer than Lucario’s) meant more to me. Ash was an underdog; even in Journeys, the world saw him as a dark horse, barely even recognizing him as a Champion until the Masters Tournament. And, Sirfetch’d was very much that, and the fact is that he contributed to Ash’s wins against Cynthia and Leon. It was Sirfetch’d who really put the hurt on Garchomp (which no one else was seen to have done), and she still almost beat Lucario at his best while she was at her worst. Lucario, on the other hand, didn’t even make it to Rillaboom (who served as the big gatekeeper before Charizard), while Sirfetch’d could at least tag-team it with Dracovish.
Even if Sirfetch’d wasn’t better-written than Lucario, it wouldn’t be due to him losing more than Lucario.
@@kamentrainerhorn2073 it also doesn't mean that underachievers should get any leniency or that their overall failures should be ignored
Sure sirfetch'd put in the work a lot for ash but it wasn't enough. That's like saying that underachievers should not have to work harder cos simply doing their best is good enough. With a win rate like that it's unacceptable. Least Dragonite, who also jobbed a lot and has the second lowest win rate, ended up with a passable one
The Alola team had no weakest links since everyone's win rate was passable, if not stellar. We didn't need them reverting back to making certain Pokemon lose a lot more and look bad. We had enough of that with trash like torterra, Noivern and Torkoal who are only known for their weakness
Alola at least being second makes me happy. It’s such an underrated series plus Ash seems the happiest in Alola.
I hope we see him living his best life in Alola in Pokémon Horizons… would be nice to see the Horizons crew visit Alola & see the regions first champion & world champion go about his daily business 😅
Same
you could make an argument it was his strongest team. tho nagi and melmetal carried hard
That's fair. Sun & Moon made me care about Ash's team more than any other series (including Diamond & Pearl... barely).
You know, the thing with these is it doesn't reflect the opponent the pokemon won and lost against. Like Dragonite took down some power houses, and fell to power houses on it's side.
Exactly. Context matters, for example he’s clowned Sceptile for his win rate multiple times on this channel but it’s hilarious to pretend he’s not one of the strongest mons Ash has. Sirfetch’d is another example of win rate not telling the full story, great mons can have bad win rates.
@@supertom5225 bad win rates aren't anything to praise
@@eljordinio7647congrats on missing the point completely. That's actually an accomplishment given how clear it was.
@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 so what? All I care about when it comes to win rates is whether they're 50 percent or above. If not, no underachievers are worth respecting no matter what feats or context they have
Wow, was not expecting Kanto to come in first place, like I was shocked but then remembering Pikachu, Charizard, and Snorlax made it a bit less shocking.
Kalos and especially Sinnoh being as low as they are was super surprising; guess we were prisoners of the moment with those teams.
You love to see Gengar finally do well in the series, and 54% is enough for me.
My boy Sceptile wrecking mythicals and legendaries with 55% winrate. Gigachad 🗿
Least it's decent
Bro the thumbnails just keep on hitting 🔥🔥🔥
Liam is the GOAT 🐐🔥
I really appreciate the work you put in with these statistics even if I tend to believe they don’t tell the whole story, it’s still fun to compare
I agree with this comment since I’m pretty sure he gives all pikachus a 70% win rate I think that was to make kanto beat alola
They're enough to see how good or bad certain Pokemon actually are
Gotta say, didn't expect the Kanto team to win, but sure am glad that it did. Talk about taking back a few years. Those were the days. Squirtle with the coolest Hydro Pump, Charizard, The Ace through 3 gens, and absurdly just that (whatever), Bulbasaur, the king of HR, and our boy Snorlax. And the end All be All on top of the cake... Pikachu himself. First gen plus orange league, probably the best times in Pokémon.
I must say it's very interesting to see the Win Rates of Ash's Pokemon individually and every team from their respective region! Not bad but very surprised to see how it ended up as!
I’m curious if the rankings are the same if you go by actual wins and losses Ash has had in each region rather than comparing individual mons. I ask cause when it comes to a mon basis, its easy for data to be skewed by the size of his full team and the mons he used in given battles (basically the pikachu problem). Sorta a which Ash Ketchum is the strongest rather than which team is the strongest.
Region stats by actual wins and losses . Also ties are considered 1/2 wins .
Reigon win lose draw win% Total
Kanto 89 47 4 65.00 140
Jhoto 43 38 2 53.01 83
Hoenn 83 52 10 60.68 145
Sinnoh 61 55 5 52.47 121
Unova 58 42 8 57.40 108
Kalos 56 36 3 60.52 95
Alola 38 16 1 70.00 55
Galar 54 30 4 63.63 88
All 482 316 37 59.94 835
@@AkashKumar-vn5zf yo, thanks for that, yeah, I thought it’d look a bit different from the mon-based rankings
"A lost is not counted if his opponent cheated." So I guess Tobias won't be factored in.
He kinda should be but whatever
Bringing in a legendary isn't against League rules, I imagine. Maybe Ash should've gotten gud. 🤷♀️
This isn't a serious comment
@@SuperDragon978 To be honest that doesnt seem fair at all if someone brings in a legendary.
7:36 it pains that position but it make sense considering that Ash fought (and lose) several times against Paul in that series
Part of why the teams that do have the W/L ratios they do is because of how battles are setup in those series.
Gen 1 Anime battles were a lot shorter and to the point, so you have more moments like Kingler sweeping an entire battle in the league and Ash not having a 6v6 battle at all. The average 6v6 means you're likely going to see 5 of Ash's mons faint to add tension to the battle, which is an extra 5 losses any time one happens.
Winning a battle 6-5 (having one mon left at the end of a 6v6) is roughly a 54% win rate. Winning a Battle 3-2 (having one mon left at the end of a 3v3) is a 60% win rate.
Do this enough times, and the ratios favor the series with shorter battles.
It's why the series with the most 6v6 battles (DP and XYZ) have some of the lowest ratios.
The inverse goes for the #2 Alola, which only had one 6v6 with Ash Vs. Kukui. Since most battles were brief spurts of action, they didn't make Ash lose 5 mons repeatedly for dramatic tension.
Shorter battles means less losses within those battles.
While I'm happy Kanto got 1st place, I should point out that the reason Ash's Kanto team took the win is likely because of how much they get brought back. Because they were Ash's first team, they're obviously going to have more time and opportunity to come back and snag a few more wins. Thanks, Nostalgia. Such cases include the Battle Frontier, the Sinnoh league, Charizard in Unova, and most of Jhoto. Yeah, Jhoto kinda got the short end of the stick since they had to share a lot of their screen time with the Kanto team. Nevertheless, congratulations, Kanto!
THE H IN JOHTO SHOULD BE AFTER THE FIRST O!
You know as endearing as I found a lot of Aim to Be a Master episodes to be, this vid really highlights how hard the writers dropped the ball with giving his old mons some action. It's bonkers that only Corphish got to have a proper battle in that series and it was a loss at that.
Beyond that, great vid. I gotta say the overall team rankings definitely caught me off guard a bit. I guess it really shows how much the narrative can affect overall team performance. Sinnoh had such brutal competition while Kanto mons got to come back many times and put on a show for instance.
Kanto team got a boost from getting a lot of returns in the Battle Frontier
I would've also liked to see a point score of some kind come into play, as it isn't exactly fair if one pokemon has won 3/4 battles with a 75% win rate, and another has one 60/100 battles, giving it a 60% win rate. I think giving 1 point for a win, none for a tie, and -1 for a loss could better indicate the ranking of the teams.
7:35 Well,it makes sense plot wise since Ash mostly loses to his Sinnoh rival for development…and of course,most of his pokémon there are just caught in that same gen. But I think win rates does not matter for Ash’s current titles since beginning battle’ results are counted too and we all start from newbies.
Reason why Sinnoh team is ranked so low :
1) Tough battles and opponents : Paul, Flint, Volkner , Barry's dad , Cynthia etc etc.
2) less battles in the sinnoh league : A lot of ash's old gen pokemons participated in the league .
3) foreshadowing the other pokemons to make space for Infernape. Still the other pokemons like Buizel, Staraptor and Gliscor are some of the most loved pokemons of ash.
4) a better story and development , probably why DP is considered one of the best Pokémon series.
BARRY'S FATHER HAS A NAME! IT'S PALMER! AND POKEMON IS NOT SUPPOSED TO END WITH AN S! REMOVE IT NOW!
@@Amelia4111 grow up
The Kanto Team is slightly unfair, because that's the only team where Ash actively used his Pokémon even after leaving the region he caught them in. The Kanto starters were heavily used way late into Johto and that affects the numbers of the Johto mons. Same goes for the Battle Frontier, Ash's use of particularly his Kanto Pokémon affected them numbers if his Hoenn team (though the Battle Frontier is a little more forgivable since he was just retraveling through Kanto again). So by default, the Kanto mons have higher numbers simply because he used them more than other Pokémon. If you counted only the battles fought in the Regions of the seasons the Pokémon were caught in (not counting Pikachu because he was everywhere and you gave him identical numbers so he didn't twist the total too much), then Kanto would be the lowest
But they fought in those battles fair and square.
u have to realize that yes the battled more, but they could have also lost more
He used them more because they were his strongest mons and he used them in the hardest matches like fighting against legendaries
Especially considering the kanto starters and Snorlax carried the johto league
@@cake-brawlstars2427 And that is why you cannot measure strenght by winrate. Opponent also matters.
Still mad they ended ashes journey with 6 filler episodes 😭😭 imagine they gave us like a crazy final movie or something
Something like oak telling ash about a past trainer who was as strong as him ( red ) but he vanished years ago then ash uses his strongest team heads to find red and then we get a epic ash vs red clash
@@lexidashu Red doesn't exist in the anime, since Ash is the anime counterpart of Red
@@theofficialliedetector1545 never said he existed in the anime read it’s a hypothetical situation relax bud
@@theofficialliedetector1545 bro just said what everyone knows I am fully aware ash is reds counterpart but again the whole idea is hypocritical why take it seriously
@@lexidashu Because I thought you were taking it seriously
My Pikachu Win Rate in Pokemon Fire Ash Game is a solid 100% coz i used it in every battle and it didn't even lost a single match from Kanto to Galar
It's honestly crazier though, its understandable that his journeys team has a not so great overall winrate because of the fact that they don't get much screentime and are also battling the best of the best
I think something that would be really interesting is how all these win/lose rates compare to the number of episodes per Region. Series with more episodes have more room for wins, but also more room for losses. So I wonder if longer series (the ones with more filler) have a tendency to inflate the win rate, loss rate, or try to balance it out.
The Alola team is only underrated because Poipole barely got any battle experience and Meltan showed up super late so really, Rowlet, Torracat, and Lycanroc got all the attention, including Pikachu of course.
I’m not surprised that the Sinnoh team did the worst overall. Paul really pushed Ash to his maximum limit.
That sound effect when Clemont's luxray got knockout jumpscared me. It was hilarious
😂
@@Zactoshi it was perfect 🤣
This is a small error, but I’m pretty sure Kingler’s win rate should be 83%, not 71%. Both you and that one chart counts Kingler’s battle against Pete’s arcanine as a lost, but during the battle against Pete, Ash recalled Kingler before he was declared as unable to battle. Bulbapedia also says that Kingler was recalled instead of defeated, if you want to double check there.
Yeah he was low on health so Ash called him back. But the animators made it look like a knockout.
Plus, it had the swirly eyes that usually shoes the pokemon is knocked out
Nice update of the rates for Ash didn't knew that his starter ace is very powerful, the positions of each team does make sense to me.
I think I know why the kanto team has the highest win rate.
It is that ash constantly uses them in post gen 1 battles
8:40 actually expected it lower because let's be honest Pikachu and Greninja carried the xy team
Nah totally Ash Kalos Pokémon is strong
I was thinking from few days why haven't you put this sequel😅
Was I alone or there were others?
5:04 Like you said in the previous win rate video, "Sceptile fans must be fuming right now"
Big Sad lol
Interesting stats but I think the Sinnoh and Johto teams were hurt by the other generations stealing their screen time in the League. Same with the Kalos league with only 2 full battles.
I would argue that most of the matches in the Journeys era were against heavy lifters.
In Kanto, it was his "beginner" era so there weren't as many hard matches as in Journeys. (I do remember Metapod v Metapod, greatest match of all time)
Something that needs to be said is that averages can sometimes be misleading, especially with something abstract as strength. There are dozens of factors that can contribute to a win or a loss including the strength of your opponent, your state of mind, and how strong your partner is at the time. So you cannot definitively say Ash's Kanto team is the strongest because things are in flux constantly.
Sounds like you've tried that sea cucumber. That, or you've gone to the Sento Kiryu School of Finding the Inner Strength to Defy All Odds.
sinnoh is due to many 6v6 battles, if it were more like the newer ones like 3v3s likely the win rate would be a tiny bit higher maybe because he has a quick sweep team
Such a good video. Good job Zach 😁😁👍
I think you should also factor in opponents, gym battles and rivals to contextualise the win rates.
I think Ash’s team got progressively better each series excluding Unova and Johto.
Unova because they tried rebooting Ash back into a novice.
Johto because Ash mainly relied on his Kanto Pokémon for tough battles.
Once a Pokemon has a bad win rate, context hardly matters
I appreciate the effort that you put in the research and the editing of this video.
Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much :)
well, definitely didn't expect kanto to be ash's best team in terms of win rate. though to be fair the competition ash was up against at the time pales in comparison to what he was up against in kalos, alola(with kukui, gladion, guzma, and gladion), and journeys, so that makes sense.
was pretty fun, though context / feats are still pretty important to consider, not just win rate alone.
It is interesting to think that his official win rate is so low when compared to his successes. Makes me feel even more strongly about the games having more challenging modes.
1st place suprised me. I think just because the 1st series wasn't as good as later series for various reasons (looking at you indigo league) that doesnt mean his pokemon were bad at battling for the most part! Awesome video bro
It’s nice to have the numbers even if they aren’t indicative of strength. A lot of Ash’s Pokémon with high win rates either didn’t battle much, or were fighting much weaker opponents. Losing to one of Leon’s Pokémon isn’t the same as losing to a random trainer’s or even a gym leader’s
It kind of makes me want to see the stats for, say, Pokemon League/Master 8 only.
Sinnoh team being last makes total sense considering Ash was continuously taking losses from paul and training his team. None of them were jobbers in that team except Torterra who had great potential before evolving. Even Gliscor redeemed itself in semi finals by taking out Paul's busted Drapion. Staraptor was the best bird in terms of raw power, buizel did pretty well in gym battles, Infernape was unstoppable after mastering blaze ability, Gible just needed more screentime to show how powerful it was.
Hah! I knew Lucario got the second highest win rate within the Journeys team!
If one doesn't count Pikachu then he technically got the highest. I thought he had 11 wins but still 13 is better
👏👏 ¿Tienes planeado hacer un análisis del rendimiento los Pokes de tu serie de Galar?
This is kinda flawed because if a Pokémon faints (Ex: Talonflame) after almost defeating an opponent, and then, Ash chooses another Pokémon (Ex: Noivern) and it defeats the opponent with only 1 move, almost the whole effort was made by the first Pokémon, the second Ash chose only had to deal with a 1HP Pokémon. Despite that, I consider this a valid video
Shocking ending, BUT BUT.. they did have the most screen time outta the others.
Kanto makes since. Pokemon he has had the longest. So they had the most training time and more fights. So I would also assume they where stronger with the mentality that they where at it longer.
This is such a great video idea!
Would have required so much work and efforts, well done mate.
Journeys contains the the strongest trainers from mid series to end so the 60% makes sense, and in Alola Ash was already a stellar trainer compared to the rest within the region.
I think you need to consider that the Sinnoh team had a *lot* more 6v6 battles going on. Poor Torterra got done so dirty from the moment it evolved though ;-;
The frustrating bit of the later seasons wound up being how one pokemon would usually get supercharged and overshadow the rest to a *stupid* degree in terms of both development and battles. Greninja *ruined* the Kalos season, and Lucario was way too over-pushed in Journeys, which makes them both feel heavily distorted in terms of how good they come across, and the rest of the team is just... there to lose so they can win.
Hey Zack
Do another review of Ash's Pokemon in Alola and the Journeys Team
Pikachu in tournaments/league ever since that loss to Cameron’s Lucario:
13W 2L 2T
{Wins against Slaking, Tyranitar, Metagross, TAPU KOKO, SILVALLY, Mega Metagross (Ace), Gastrodon, Cinderace and Leon’s Charizard (Ace)}
Win rate of 76%
2 trophies 🏆
2 Finals MVP (vs Alain and Leon)
Damn he burst
Pikachu never battle against Slaking
@@inamdaryasin He did vs Sawyer
@@samxrth7i Slaking was defeated by Talonflame, Pikachu beat Sawyer's Clawitzer and Aegislash
@@inamdaryasin Oh sorry my bad the rest are correct tho
Can’t wait until Horizons finish and soon we will probably get a statistic ratio for both Roy and Liko’s team
Haha... sure
First we got to fill up their teams and both are sitting on two Pokemon each.
So Unova team isn’t at lowest team of Ash when it comes to victory, lost and tie. Hmm that was new🤔
Honestly Ash got a lot of easy wins in the earlier stages of the anime (Kanto, Johto, etc) so I'm not surprised to see his Kanto's team so high. He (and his Pokemon) had to work much harder in the later seasons, and while he's always had to learn lessons throughout each eras, the lessons in the first seasons often felt shallow or like a simple spoke in his wheel - whereas, later on, it felt like Ash was properly challenged. The fights also got better in general, and the Pokemon were allowed to use stronger moves and more thought-out strategies in the later seasons - and that went both ways ; both his Pokemon and his challengers', resulting sometimes in more losses for him.
A unrealistic dream of mine is some sort of original series reboot where the first few seasons are brought up to today's standards. I think that would be fun to watch.
The funny part was I watched the old one last night wondering if there was going to be a new one, I found out soon enough 😂😂
I've seen some back and forth about how much stock to put into winrates and like most things, i think it is a bit of both. Context tells us how strong the Pokémon generally is while win rates tell us how reliable they are at these levels. Let's look at Sirfetched. He has shown based on feats that he can, when pushed, hang around champion level Pokémon. Though his winrate would suggest he's unreliable at these levels. He is more consistent at the high league- elite 4 level of trainers. Lucario, on the other hand, is an example of a Pokémon who is truly champion level due to consistency. Not only has he fought champion level Pokémon but, he consistently can win those fights. Lucario is both powerful and reliable. Sirfetched is strong but, unreliable at the top tier of Pokémon battles.
That's my perspective anyway.
And for his unreliability he needs to either seriously improve or get dumped
THERE SHOULD BE ONLY ONE E IN SIRFETCH'D!
Gliscor has a bad win rate but I don't think the win rate of a Pokemon determines how good or bad it is it's really strong overall
It's enough to determine what's decent, if not amazing in battle and what isn't
I wouldn't use gliscor if it had that kind of track record
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8:42 We don`t tolerate Talonflame slander over here lol
8:55 the journeys team is interesting he gengar and dragonite lost alot but they were clutch in the end
"It seem that sinnoh wasn't as good as we remembered'
A certain someone: *Pathethic*
Do u know where I can watch all the episodes of Pokémon journeys for free in Malaysia?
I'm not surprised at all with Ash's Kanto team being at the top.
The OG team will always be the best 😤👍
BW Ash win rate over DP Ash win rate is the perfect example of win rate doesn't show a pokemon, or a Pokemon trainer's skill
Let us tell what Pokémon of Ash has and which one of their favorite or least. Unova team is definitly not his strongest but the most personality of any team Ash got.
That's a matter of opinion
Damn, Sinnoh was lower than I thought. Shoutout to the OG Team though for paving the road for Ash's Power!
Based on all of the data, it seems like Ash's strongest team would compose of Pikachu, Lucario (plus mega evo duh), Snorlax, Charizard (if you discount the two refusals to fight it has higher than infernape and we already have a fighting type), Greninja (Let's be honest that win rate doesn't let on how busted Ash-Greninja was), and either Krookidile (based on win rate, but we already have Greninja as a dark type) or Gengar (based on quality of wins/losses and Gigantimax). The bench would include Sceptile, Infernape, Incineroar, and Melmetal (it's a mythical ffs).
That team in journeys would be a tough nut to crack. Mega Evolution, Z Moves, Gigantimax just like the original Journeys team, but replaces some of the weaker members with direct upgrades. (Charizard > Dragonite, Greninja > Dracovish, Snorlax>>>>>>>>>>>Sirfetched)
Hell, Ash could even find a way to bench Gengar and give the gigantimax to Snorlax instead. Imagine ASH'S SNORLAX with Gigantimax
Lets be real. Despite sceptiles Abysmal winrate he went toe to toe with his fair share of impressive pokemon
The realization that the sinnoh team has worse record than freaking Unova and Johto teams☠
Solid video. First one I've seen of this channel.
At 1st glance I was so shocked about Sinnoh. Then I remembered Paul, and it made perfect sense. Kanto also makes Perfect sense at the top, having the most experience.
As a huge Lucario stan, the thumbnail was terrifying.😂😂😂 Great vid Zac!
5:42 Dang, Riolu/Lucario lost to a lot of tentacles
Man... Sir Kamon does ALL the heavy lifting, but constantly has to lose for it. He took on Milotic *and* Garchomp, clearing the rocks, and almost winning against that beast. And putting up any fight against Leon's steroid overloaded Rillaboom is worth a win in my book. Kamon walked so Lucario could run.