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The Biggest HERESY In All Adventism!? Is Satan the Ultimate Sin Bearer?
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- In light of the recent objections made against SDAs, namely the understanding of the Scapegoat, we will examine what is truly meant when SDAs claim that Satan is the ultimate sin bearer. Does the Bible speak on this, lets search the scriptures to find out.
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Sins of righteous have been borne by Christ on the cross. Our death has passed over to Him. But the unrighteous who don’t believe in Christ, they shall bear the consequence of all their sins…
The fact remains that God Atone for the sins of the world (John.3.16), but not ALL the world welcomes such Atonement. Therefore, Satan, the originator of the 'mischief', will end up paying for causing people to commit mischief. Is like your 9 year old breaks your next door neighbors window. You, the Father Atone for his son's mistake but in the end, your son will pay for breaking the window.
here is a challenge for all you critics. In psalms 73 Asaph tells us that he is distressed by the prosperity of the wicked. Then, he tells us that he went into the sanctuary and saw their end. What did Asaph see? Remember, your answer must be limited to the sanctuary since this is where ASAPh saw the end of evil. Pay close attention to versus 17 18 and 19, especially verse 19. any answers that go out of the sanctuary to find the end of evil will be considered incorrect since it is in the sanctuary Asaph saw the end of evil. What say you dear critic?
AMEN brothers✝️🕊️ boggles my mind they have an argument against this.. let the truth prevail 🙏
Thanks ADL ❤️🥰
Rev 18:21-23And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all…for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
ADL logic makes sense
That verse proves that what you said is not true!
Because it is biblical, not ecumenical.
@@jeanclaude7018 true ❤️
@@JamieElison Jamie, care to expound upon your opinion with a biblical explanation? Just saying something is or isn't true without hard facts is mere hot air.
thank you for your work.
Crystal clear
Excellent explanation! 🙌💛🔥
We will proclaim the truth about this false doctrine until the SDA shows up to defend their faith!
Show up? Where would you like for us to show up?
@@AdventDefenseLeague The Perrys' channel! :)
@@AdventDefenseLeaguesounds great but you will never show up
@@AdventDefenseLeague I'd bet they won't show up to speak to ADL, just like James Baber hid away and ignored ADL's invitation. No one dares to challenge SDAs in Bible doctrine, because they know they will get battered with the truth.
@@jeanclaude7018I have and they won't debate me on on the column.( in the stream) they will not do it !they can't defend anything they believe!
They act like we're saying that satan is going to bear our sins, Because he's a good guy. Oh He's just being nice. What they fail to understand is that satan is going to be punished as well as the wicked.
Christ bore our sins, and for this reason we don't have to suffer that punishment anymore. What would be the purpose of Satan bearing sins again if:
1. Christ already took care of the sins of believers and 2. Unbelievers are gonna be punished for their own sins according to 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 and many other passages.
It doesn't follow logically or biblically that the SDA stance is true. EGW was wrong.
Except what you said is not even in the Bible so why did you create it? If the devil is doing your atonement your blaspheming the holy Spirit! You're attributing to the devil what Jesus Christ himself does at the cross!
he is the cause of world pain and darkness old serpent that twisted flying serpent or dragon in the book of Isaiah 25
@@oldtimereligion1stlady447 but you're responsible for your own sin.. the devil does not carry your sins !(that's why Jesus came )...to do just that. To set you free but you don't want that!. and you have said( no Jesus)!! you're not going to do it! you're going to let the devil save you!
Let me guess. Not one of you took time to watch the video, did you?
Hello ADL Team, can you cut more Short Videos from your Live Videos? THX
Yes, Please, sometimes the videos go for hours but these short points are some much more digestible.
So you want to have him shorten up the lies .so that you can start lying quicker?
@@JamieElison Actually, I want to support them in making the truth more accessible to people like yourself.
I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO GET ELCE ON HERE LIVE... ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT.... HE HAS BEEN A THORN IN THE ADVENTIST SIDE FOR MANY YEARS. HE NEEDS TO HAVE A LIVE DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS
He says he dusted off his feet from ADL years ago. His own words.
@@AdventDefenseLeague oh so you have talked with him previously?
And if he's done why is he still watching and commenting? Smh. He keeps saying Adventists can't biblically answer his questions but I personally have yet to see him online with any.
I've been in many one on one conversations with him on Facebook in the past. Answering everything he asked. Even to the point he began to get aggressive because I had a biblical answer for each of his remarks that he didn't like. But that was just text. I've never seen him speak to an Adventist live
He doesn't DARE, just like James Baber, Allen Parr, etc.These bags of hot air just run and hide when they have a wide open shot to directly debate any sda. They're quite chickenish. @@BibleBeliever1
@@BibleBeliever1He is grandstanding.. he won't even debate me .on any particular topic pertaining to prophecy and who Jesus is.. even on his own stream .right here. like we're doing right now ..he won't do it!
Amen guys.
18:35 And Jesus concluded, " That is how my Father in heaven will treat every one of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart. "
God is not out to loose anyone. His determination is just as strong Has Lucifer’s is to fool and destroy. Our greatest contention is our fallen nature. Which is tended to fool us. Thank God He has payed our price to redeem what was lied to. If you know Him. If you love Him stand firm on His sacrifice made to save us all. Please.
Amen Individual country, community National family etc🙏🔥🔥🔥🔥
Romans 7:14-25 This, then, is my condition, on my own I can serve God's law only with my mind, while my human nature serves the law of sin ❤
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The Correct way to put this is... Pay Attention to what I am about to say! "JESUS bore our PUNISHMENT for sin and Gave us LIFE FOR THOSE WHO REPENT" Romans 6:23, John 3:16, Acts 2:38-39. JESUS WILL NOT BEAR THE BLAME OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR SIN. Satan Bears the blame for SIN.
Mathew 13:27-28 - The servants witness that the Master who is Jesus sowed good things, He was not responsible for the tears or the wicked that appeared among the good thing He sowed, So when He the master answered the servant He makes it plain WHO IS RESPONSIBLE, He Says "An enemy has done this" - Who is the enemy of Christ? SATAN the adversary - Revelation 12:9.
The problem for the critics and accusers is that they cannot distinguish the difference between BEARING THE CONSEQUENCES FOR SINS, WHICH CHRIST DOES FOR US WHO REPENT AND TURN AWAY FROM SIN. BEARING THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SIN IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, WHICH IS WHAT SATAN WILL BEAR AS HE IS THE ONE WHO WEEKENS AND DECIEVES THE NATIONS WITH SIN. Humans who are not repentant will also bear their own wages of sin and responsibility for it as they have not cast on JESUS but chose to continue in SIN.
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Mathew 25: 31-33 - Jesus divides two classes of people, Sheep and Goat! Sheep on Right Hand Goat on Left
Verse 34 - Right-hand Group, Sheep enters the kingdom (These are those who followed the lamb and Lived in His righteousness)
Verse41 - Left-Hand Group, Goats enters the lake of fire prepared for SATAN and his Angels (These are those who opposed Christ and lived wickedly)
Verse 46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
So remember!
1. JESUS bears the punishment or results of SIN for the repentant and gives eternal life in return - 1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
2. JESUS DOES NOT BEAR the responsibility for SIN, Satan does as he is the enemy that has caused SIN. That is why the recompense is on his head as the scapegoat and all the other non-repentant human goats will also receive according to what their works have been. Revelation 20:12.
No one will be able to profess that Jesus has to bear the responsibility of SIN! Instead, they will bow to honor and Glory because he bore the consequences for those who chose righteousness. SIMPLE!
Without making a distinction of "bearing" as in receiving their just punishment vs. "bearing" as in being a redemptive force (removing the punishment/condemnation). The first is "bearing" in the sense of being an accomplice to the sin. The second is "bearing" as in a saving fashion.
So the flaw in the thinking is seen in an implied attribution to a single word, without context and without definition. In other words, it's just plain old poor exegesis.
As an Adventist, I believed that the sins were kept for the day of the atonement. So basically the blood would be just a way of transportation. Which would in the case of Jesus mean that his blood defiled the heavenly sanctuary. How can the blood of Jesus defile anything? He’s God!!! The Bible teaches that the sins were NEVER transported and kept. They were forgiven. Done. Gone! You will never find in the Bible that the blood just transported the sins. Blood isn’t a way of transportation. Blood aways cleanses. It was that way in the old covenant, and it is the same in the new. So that theory of sins being kept, that’s doesn’t exist in the Bible.
Psalm 7; 16 we can read it
The devil is responsible for wickedness but don't we have the will to resist🤷
Yes, but God blames the person who sinned and the person who tempted the other to sin. Genesis 3:14 proves this as both Satan and Eve were guilty of Eve’s sin.
@@deontemcken God curses the serpent in Gen 3:14. It does not say the serpent bears the sins of Eve. The serpent is cursed for its own sin. God also cursed Eve for her own sin and cursed Adam for his own sin. It doesn't say or prove that satan bore Eve's sin. Your adding stuff that's not there.
@@kirky3051 it's not through your lens we see the Bible, we have Jesus Christ who through the Holy Spirit leads us to understand better His word. Needless claims
@@justoker4275and you can't claim to know who the holy Spirit is ..because you can't have him ..you can't interpret scripture!
Kirky. You are NOT reading in Gen 3:14 stuff that IS there . " BECAUSE" ( THE REASON) why the snake was curse was it beguiled Eve . Jesus said the same in Matt 5:17-19 if we teach others to disobey God we will be called the least in Gods kingdom today and refused entry . Satan has a lot of " blood on his hands" because people are still.being deluded by him today that obedience to God is now no longer necessary for eternal life Crudens Concordance on the covenant states that it is between God and man for continued eternal life on condition of obedience . If there were no conditions we would be preaching universalism. The Bible is full of conditions for eternal life. Only the blood can save anyone but obedience is the conditions for Jesus to be able to grant us eternal.life through faith is His merits Phil 4:13. 13:30
Babylon chapter 18 is talking about a city/nation not about Satan. Just as I said previously you are taking Bible verses out of context to fit what u believe, Think about this YOU yourselves are causing others to fall into sin by constantly misrepresenting Bible verses, just as your president did way back in 2012, and has now caused so much division within the SDA Church. As a former 82 yo 3rd generation SDA, who have earnestly prayed for weeks asking the LORD to show me the truth oh his word AS HE WOULD HAVE US KNOW, I stand my ground the Trinity is false doctrine perpetuated into Christianity by the beast out of the sea.
“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints against the most High, AND THINK TO CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS. What laws did the CC change? The 1st, the 2nd, and the 4th all pertaining to worship. Paul warned us: For the time will come when they shall not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears: And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables (myths) 2 Corinthians 4:3-4
You may have prayed. but He never spoke to you .because everything you're saying is in (defiance of the word!) The word became flesh) that's Jesus Christ! You're defying what Jesus himself says, in the Bible!
Ezekiel 28:13 / Revelation 18:22,23 Continue presenting the word, there was a goat sacrificed! Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels however those who love sin and hold on to sin will also experience the wrath of God.
Ephesians 2:2 satan & children of disobedience
Taking scripture out of context plus taking away from the finished work of grace of Jesus!!!!!!
JamieElison sir. May I point out that sins don't"disappear" but are recorded in the books in heaven and will come up in remembrance before God Rev 20 Dan 7:910. Rev 18 :5,6. Thisbis what mafe the earthly sanctuary " dirty" and it needed cleansing.onxe a year. The confessed sins that were symbolically recorded in the sanctuary by the blood of the LORDS goat were removed by faith and placed on the head of the LIVE goat which did not shed its blood for anyone.. The scapegoat was part of the sanctuary service to get rid of the confessed sins of the congregation forever and not return to the camp. This is typical of what Jesusbwill do with our sins at His coming as Acts 3" 19-21points out . The destruction of sin and Satan is all part of Gods plan to recreate the earth and make all things new
I’m sorry, but I remember that’s exactly what I believed as an Adventist. But the Bible teaches that the sins were NEVER transported and kept. They were forgiven. Done. Gone! You will never find in the Bible that the blood just transported the sins. Blood isn’t a way of transportation. Blood aways cleanses. It was that way in the old covenant, and it is the same in the new. So that theory of sins being kept, that’s doesn’t exist in the Bible.
Kay Rush Rev ch 20-22 will.tell you where sins, Satan and sinners who cling to sin will.end up. Those who have been justified and sanctified by the blood will have their names recorded in the Lambs Book of Life. Satan will die WITH the sins of everyone ON HIS HEAD ( not IN his body as Christ) as did the scapegoat
SDA repent!!!!!!?
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It is blasphemy to say Satan bares the sins of humans. Satan hates humans and hates everything that loves God. Ezekiel is not saying that Satan takes the sin he is talking about the people that cause error are cursed. Please allow us to teach you the truth.
The Bible consistently teaches the wicked bears their own sins. Is Satan wicked?
The Bible also teaches a person who causes others to sin will be punished for their sins. Does Satan tempt others to sin?
Let's hear your answers.
@@AdventDefenseLeague yea this is blasphemy. If you are right that those who cause others to sin will bear the sins they caused, then that means free will is a lie. No one forces anyone to sin. It’s a personal choice. People can influence you to sin but at the end of the day you have made the decision to sin. If you’re a believer Christ bore your sins in His body. So many verses tell us that. And if you’re an unbeliever you bear your own sins. Satan has no part in this.
@@kirky3051 how do you explain ezekiel 44:12 “Because they ministered to them before their idols and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity, therefore I have raised My hand in an oath against them,” says the Lord God, “that they shall bear their iniquity.”
Ezekiel 44:12 NKJV
@deontemcken that verse says they shall bear their iniquity. Their own iniquity. Their sin in the matter. Verses 10-14 Talks about the Levites ministering to the people in the midst of idolatry, therefore promoting it, instead of rebuking the practices. Am I not commiting a sin as a Levite according to what God has asked of me?
In the same way Satan will pay for His sins. Even if every temptation (that leads to a sin) is considered a sin he will pay for his own (the temptation). Are there any verses that says Satan will pay for a sin that He hasn't committed?
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
If this is true then Satan suffers for each and every sin ever committed meaning it is redundant to punish anyone else. Its also makes Christ's suffering a mystery why did He suffer when he never caused anyone to sin?
When you cause someone to sin, you're to blame. The Originator of all Sin, in the same manner will pay for the sin he created, every single one of'em.
Yes there is redundancy of punishment :
Ezechiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand.
Christ death a mystery? Christ chose to save us by his death, while he could have let us die because of our sin. So His death is not the natural result of the law, it is His sovereign loving choice.
Why would He choose that? This is a mystery indeed: how can He love us that much.
Life after Adventism . If we are judged out of the books in heaven Rev 20 : 5-15 and God will remember our sins Rev 18: 5 what do you imagine is un these books????. On the D.O Atonement Lev 16 :15 The Lords goats blood WAS TRANSFERED into the sanctuary to be sprinkled on the mercy seat in the MHPlace . This is what the Bible teaches NOT just Adventism . The Lords goat died FOR the sins of the people ( the cross) in its body 1Pet 2: 24,25 .. The scapegoat will eventually die WITH the sins ON ITS HEAD ( not in it's body as the Lords goat) . The cleansing of the sanctuary is an illustration of what will happen to sin, Satan and the consequences of sin ( death etc) when Jesus comes and all sin will.be blotted out Acts 319-21.
Adventists love to take Bible verses out of context to prove they are right. To get the true meaning of a text you have to study several verses before and after the particular verse.
Yea yea... refute the verses :)
There would be no point in that.. you will never address the truth anyway! You're just want your 30 pieces of silver for the video!@@AdventDefenseLeague
Actually, that's projection. SDAs are well-known for insisting on Bible context and line upon line. The ecumenical world is famous for cherry picking and using single "proof texts " especially on false doctrines like Sunday, praying in tongues, and state of the dead.
Adventists love to study the whole Bible for their theology, much different from what Evangelicals do. 👍🏻
@@marcelldc really? why is it that Adventist still don't have the Jesus of the Bible instead of an 1844 Jesus? And don't have one prophecy to be truthful?
If Satan will bear our sins, then the so called ceremonial law isn’t fulfilled yet. That part isn’t fulfilled yet, so the law isn’t fulfilled. That’s basically what the SDA system is teaching.
@life.after.adventism Satan (Azazel) does not bear "our" sins. The sins of the people have been removed from them, and placed on the Lord's goat who died for them. Those sins therefore no longer belong to them. Saying he bears "our" sins is a misrepresentation of what SDAs believe.
@@AdventDefenseLeague “21 He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites-all their sins-and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the goat away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. 22 The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness.” Leviticus 16
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many Hebrews 9:28
@@AdventDefenseLeague The verse clearly says: it will carry on itself all THEIR sins!!!
The kind of a mental gymnastics that you do JUST to defend a woman that was hit in her head, INSTEAD of trusting Gods word!
@@life.after.adventism The Bible also says that sins are REMOVED by BLOOD:
[Rev 1:5 NKJV] 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us FROM OUR SINS in His own BLOOD.
[1Jo 1:7 NKJV] 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the BLOOD of Jesus Christ His Son CLEANSES us FROM ALL SIN.
So, obviously it would speak that way in Lev. 16 because those sins came FROM them, but they aren't in their possession anymore. They've been paid for and removed by the blood of the Lord's goat.
@@AdventDefenseLeague Amen!!! Sins are removed! There’s no investigative judgment!!! 🙏🏻🙌🏼 Thank you Jesus!!!!
I’m sorry but none of the verses you quoted say that Satan bears our sins. You are making leaps. But there are verses that clearly tell us that Jesus bore our sins. He bore our sins in Hs body, He became sin for us. Isaiah 53:6 1Peter 2:24. This is so wild and unbiblical to ascribe to Satan what the Lord has done. The verses you quoted consistently said the wicked who cause others to sin bear their own sins and their sins are on their own heads. Please don’t hold so firmly to a worldview that you’re willing to blaspheme. Anyone bearing the sins of others must be perfect and blameless. This why the scapegoat had to be spotless. This is a picture of Jesus.
It seems you're presupposing that Satan bears sins to save sinners like Jesus does. That's not what we teach. The sins placed upon Azazel have ALREADY been atoned for by the blood of the Lord's goat. By the time the part of the Azazel ritual in the service began, the atonement came to an end (see Lev. 16:20). Azazel is merely bearing the guilt for sins ALREADY ATONED FOR, and therefore, he is not bearing sins in a redemptive sense. Those verses you've pointed to speak of Jesus bearing sins in a REDEMPTIVE sense. But that already took place and ended with the blood of the Lord's goat, for "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins."
Can you furnish a verse, at least one verse, that says Jesus would bear sins twice, once to atone, and then again afterwards?
In short, study the sanctuary service.
@@AdventDefenseLeague👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 let’s go!!!
@@AdventDefenseLeague Never said that Christ bears our sin twice. He suffered for our sins once for all time.
Levitucus 16:5 says the high priest takes "two goats for a sin offering." Its one offering that typifies Christ shedding His blood for the remission of our sin (The Lord's goat) and expiation (scapegoat). Christ did both of these at the cross. The goats symbolized the duality of His work.
Then Lev 16:15-16 says that after the Lord's goat which was the sin offering for the people was killed, its blood was used to make atonement for the Holy Place and the Tabernacle, not atonement for the people but for the places. After this the atonement for the people was done on the scapegoat. It's one offering per vs 5 that shows the duality of Christ's work on the cross. Leviticus 16:10 tells us that the scapegoat was the one for an atonement and I believe the bible is correct.
Yes the verses I cited initially speak to Christ bearing our sin in a redemptive sense. Is there another way that sin is borne according to the Bible? Nope.
@@AdventDefenseLeagueshe's not pre supposing anything. It's (you) that don't listen to The Bible! and who Jesus is !!!and what he does! and so you make the devil do what Jesus does! wait till you're a judgment day! and then you're going to first time realize that you do not know who Jesus is !and he does not know who you are!
I had to take a second look, he said where satan does not bear our sins, he said perhaps yours, but not mine....
Yeah even in pagan cultures like Satanism or maybe it Luciferianism they understand Satan And represent him as the Goat. Like that popular artwork of the Baphomet who is supposed to be Satan and has a face horns like a goat and male and female body representing ancient sex worship. Most Christian will understand even in subliminal messages in music videos and Free masonic artistry that show goats as representation of Satan YET when it’s us saying it’s deemed as heretical YET they understand for centuries Satan was always depicted as a Goat. 🤦🏽♀️ contradiction much? Like you being know how many conspiracy videos I watched where this is always pointed out by non Adventist Christians Satan being the goat in these representations
Does Jesus bear the sins of the righteous and Satan bears the sins of the wicked?
Satan does not bear anyone’s sins Jesus bore our sins according to Isaiah 53:6, 1 Peter 2:24. They are twisting the Bible
The scriptures they quoted are clear
At the end of time Satan will carry that burden and thrown in a bottomless pit
@@distinctivediyer524 Please believe the gospel. Christ bore your sins, He became sin for you. He was a propitiation, He died in your place. His work is complete and if you accept His sacrifice you are saved and have eternal life. There is no probabtion, no investigative Judgement. Please study John, Galatians, and Romans to better understand what Jesus did for us.
@@bekisto82give me the verse in the Bible ..that says the sins are placed on Satan! be sure it's in the Bible!
@@kirky3051 satan doesn’t bear anyone sins? Does he bear his own sins? Will he ever get justice for causing this mess that we are living in today which I might add brought Jesus our savior to the Cross to redeem us?
Jesus bared the results of r sin up on his self on the cross. Took the punishment for us. In other scriptures, say he bore or sins or he took or are sin, well at the end. When all this is said and done, he will place our sins up on that goat, which represents satan the. Sinner of all. Jesus puts the sins of his people back upon him, the sinner of sin Which is Satan, and he will be cast into the lake of fire, and he will eventually burn up. and be no more.......
Not true. Christ bears the sins of believers and the wicked bear their own sins. If Jesus already bore our sins why would he need to put them on Satan?
Pay attention to the Bible
so, according to your understanding, does Satan ever receive justice for introducing sin in heaven and then bringing it to earth?
Satan is the scapegoat led out into the wilderness. He ultimately bears the guilt of all mankind. Of course the sinner is responsible for his/her own choices and will either receive eternal life or eternal death, but Satan will bear the ultimate penalty for causing people to sin against God.
Too much dunce people 😊claim to be pastors Levetecus 16 s😊peak about 2 goats one day of atonement 😊lots was cost on the one that lot fell on is called the Lord goat so who's goat was the other?
The final sin bear is Jesus Christ ,on the cross !you're saying that's the devil!.. the first Goat does not bear any sin! So if the sins are (forgiven by Jesus Christ)! They are removed blotted out and remembered no more like Isaiah 43:25 says. By God himself..( what sins do you want to place on the devil)? for( your Jesus). For the atonement of Leviticus 16: 10 ..(at the end of time)??? it happens all on the same day! Like Leviticus says!
Is Deonte Mcken trying to imply that the pronoun ‘their’ in the phrase “their iniquity” refers to the pronoun ‘them’ in “to them before” and to the phrase “the house of Israel”. Does he tell us that God in Eze.44:12 says that the Levites (v. 10) who “caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity” will bear the iniquity of the house of Israel? He then makes an analogy, saying that “If you cause someone to fall into sin you will bear their iniquity”. Is it so? Does the pronoun ‘their’ really refer to the phrase “the house of Israel”? If we will follow the Mcken’s logic the same Levites in the verse 13 will bear the shame of the house of Israel: “but they shall bear their shame”, and the abominations of the house of Israel: “and their abominations which they have committed”. Is it sound exegesis? No, it is not. In reality, the pronoun ‘their’ in v. 12 refers to the preceding pronoun ‘they’ in the phrase “they shall bear”. It refers to the Levites themselves. The Hebrew Grammar of the verse 12 confirms it. First, God says: עֲלֵיהֶ֗ם_יָדִ֜י_נָשָׂ֨אתִי ’nasati yaday alehem’ “I have lifted My hand upon them”. Clearly, ‘them’ here refers to the Levites, not to Israelites. Then, God says about this Levites: עֲוֺנָֽם_וְנָשְׂא֖וּ ’wenasu awonam’ “and they will bear their iniquity”. The Hebrew pronominal suffix ‘-am’ can have reflexive meaning: “their own’. Such understanding of this suuffix ‘-am’ in ‘awonam’ in v.12 is presented in the Russian Synodal Version: “и они понесут наказание за вину СВОЮ” (“and they will bear punishment for THEIR OWN guilt”). The same in the v. 13: “they shall bear THEIR OWN shame, and THEIR OWN abominations which they have committed”. The same situation in the Vulgate: the pronoun ‘suus’ is used there to render the Hebrew pronominal suffix. This pronoun is a reflexive possessive pronoun: their own. The Levites will bear their own iniquity, namely, their own sin of causing the house of Israel to fall into iniquity, not the sin of the Israelites themselves. So, Eze.44:12 does not teach that “if you cause someone to fall into sin you will bear their iniquity”. That’s why it can not be used as an argument for the doctrine of the scapegoat. If we will use such unsound exegesis and, therefore, such silly arguments, our critics like Myles Ketelsen will have another good reason to laugh at us, even if they themselves sometimes do unsound exegesis like Dr. Phillip Kayser did in his book ‘Sunday as a First-Day Sabbath’ with the Greek phrase μίαν σαββάτων found in Mt.28:1. I understand that exciment, the feeling of joy in finding a supposed proof for the idea that the Satan will bear the sins of the saints. But, in reality, there is no reason for rejoicing.
Read the context of the passage:
10- ““And the LEVITES who went far from Me, when Israel went astray, who strayed away from Me after their idols, they shall bear their iniquity.
11 - Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, as gatekeepers of the house and ministers of the house; they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister to them.
Because they ministered to them before their idols and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity, therefore I have raised My hand in an oath against them,” says the Lord God, “that they shall bear their iniquity.”
Ezekiel 44:10-12 NKJV
The entire context of the passage is God holding the Levites accountable for the people going astray. The “they” being spoken about are the Levites who are the main focus of the passage.
@@deontemcken Thank you for your reply. It seems to me that you yourself don’t understand the context. That’s why let’s analyze. God dealt with the sin of Israel in vv. 6-9. Then in v. 10 He proceeds to the sin of some Levites. Verse 10 begins with the Hebrew phrase ‘ki-im’. It can mean ‘but’. The Septuagint picks up this meaning: “ἀλλ’ ἢ” (all’ e). Lancelot Charles Lee Brenton in his English translation of the Septuagint renders it as “but as for [the Levites]”. The Vulgate renders it as ‘sed’ - but. This perfectly fits into the context. In v. 9 God says that “No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel”. Then He adds exception for the unfaithful and faithful Levites (vv. 10-31), beginning with the unfaithful ones. They will be ministers in His sanctuary though more like servants. Now, let’s analyze pronounes. The word Israel in Hebrew is Singular, but the verb תָּע֣וּ (taau; they went astray) is Plural and refers to the Levites. So, it is some Levites who went astray when Israel went astray. God deals with them in vv.10-14. But in vv. 15-31 He deals with the Levites who didn’t go astray when Israel went astray. That’s why in v. 10 the phrase “which went astray away from me after their idols” speaks about those unfaithful Levites and the pronoun ‘their’ refers to Levites themselves, not to the Israelites. “Their idoles’ are the idols of the unfaithful Levites. And these unfaithful Levites shall bear their OWN iniquity, not the iniquity of the Israel. Here is used the same Hebrew phrase as in v. 12 (’wenasu awonam’ - “and they will bear their iniquity”). So, that how this phrase used in v. 10 gives us that how it should be understood in v.12. They will bear their own iniquity. They themselves worshiped idols and will receive punishment for it. God first mentioned in v. 10 that the Levites themselves worshiped their own idols and He is holding them accountable for this their sin. Only then, in v. 12, He adds the sin of leading Israel into iniquity. So, contrary to you opinion (“The entire context of the passage is God holding the Levites accountable for the people going astray.”), God is holding the Levites accountable primarily for that that they themselves went astray when Israel ALREADY went astray. And later they in their turn led Israel into sin. Reciprocal... But the sons of Zadok didn’t go astray when Israel ALREADY went astray. So, your attempt to prove the doctrine of the Devil as the scapegoat is not based on real exegesis. You just ignore Hebrew Grammar.
All the scriptures you are quoting has NOTHING to do with the topic
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