Nope. Your ears lose their timbre resolution for sounds overhead and behind. It’s all about the front LCR matching, the others are strictly governed by placement and dynamics: are they properly placed relative to the MLP and can they go as loud as your LCR/Sub? Timbre is completely irrelevant. Remember that mixing engineers route ALL dialogue through the front LCR, and only environmental effects through surrounds for immersion. Timbre matched rain drops from above are not noticeable. Timbre matched creaking floors? Nope. Complete waste of money when el cheapo Elac surrounds will sound indistinguishable from surrounds costing 10x more if you’re not listening at THX reference levels (99% of HT consumers)
@@fomoontech8217 Thank you for your insight. What would you recommend as a quality Dolby atmos speakers that I am going to mount on the wall or ceiling?
I'm using a combination of my previous first 5.1 setup and (Polk 10" sub, 4x satellites for surround) and Klipsch RPii-series LCR - RP600Miis and RP-504Cii - and RP-series heights - 4x RP500SAs - and 12" sub. The subs are stacked on top of each other. Eventually I'd like to get matching subs and replace the surrounds. but I'm restricted in terms of physical space and financial ability.
Oh no Shane I have been pronouncing that word wrong for over two decades. At least I have always went with same brand and same product line for over twenty years. I agree and do think it makes a huge difference in the overall blending of surround movement in your sound field. Thanks for a great and informative video. I will take cheaper speakers that are same product line rather than non-timbre matched high end speakers anyday. Obviously high end timbre matched is the ideal.
Thanks for the video. Great advice. I've got the frontage of the "acoustic energy 309 as my towers and the 300 as the center, they do the bookshelf but not the surround or Atmos speakers so I might have to sell them and start again.
I totally understand what your saying, I have Definitely technology BP9080x tower speakers and Definitely technology SR 9080 surround speakers, I also have the Definitely technology Cs9080 Center Speaker, But the Center Speaker is alittle boome no matter how I calibrate it, Watching action movies it sounds great but watching say a drama the voice is alittle muddy, I was thinking of trying Focal Chora center speaker since they have one of the best center speakers for voice clarity on the market for a decent price, Do you think the Focal Center will work with my other speakers?
I have Paradigm Reference studio 100 V5 as my L&R and B&W as my Center and surround speakers and my ears couldn't detect any differences in timbre. They all sound good to my ears. Or maybe because I am deaf 🤔.
I have 7 units of Q Acoustics 3020 for my bed channels and 4 units of Q Acoustics 3010 for my height channels...and for that, I totally agree to what Shane explained in this video... The movement is seamless and of same sound quality....
My System is 6.1 but only the front left and right and rear left and right match each other. The rear left and right are from a sony HT-RT3 soundbar (because they are small sattelites which I needed), Front left and right speakers are Sony floor standing speakers , the rear center is from a Logitech X540 PC speaker system and the front center is a Tannoy. So its all over the place LMAO. If I could buy a full set that match with small rears (smaller than bookshelf) then I would buy it. The reason for the missmatch is that my living room is only 12' long by 11' wide and theres a corner window (two windows in an L shape) in the back left so I had to put the rear speakers up high , but I will be changing the Sony floor standing speakers for Tannoys that match the center channel.
There are some higher end materials in the premiere line like a different tweeter and woofer. The horn is different as well. It does sound different from the reference line last time I heard them. And you’ll be fine mixing subs as long as you set crossovers properly.
This is my setup all speakers klipsch , how get more immersive sound? Home theater 7.2.2 AVR Marantz 7012 Bluray 4k Panasonic DP ub820 Front klipsch RF-42II Klipsch Center RP 504C Subwoofer klipsch R-110SW Subwoofer SVS PB 1000 Klipsch Surround and surround back RB-41 II Klipsch Dolby Atmos Rp 140SA Emotiva BasX A-700 (only 5 channels used, center, front left, front right , Dolby Atmos left and right ) living Room size 13 x 31 (403 sq feet complete) (used front TV is 13 x 12 sq feet)
Great video Shane I'm upgrading from pioneer andrew jones line to the emotiva airmotiv line also about to build a addition on to the house and make a full home theater I seen the tour of your room and I love it its the perfect size can you tell me what the room measurements are thanks
@@therealshanelee yeah I heard about that but $1746 out the door for the t2 c2 e2 and b1 thats a full 7.0 system for that price I dont think I can wait
Great video, Shane! I have a pair of B&W 704 S2s paired with an SVS sub right now. I'm thinking about upgrading to a 5.1.4 setup. In doing so, I'm prepared to get the B&W 700 series center channel speaker, but I'd really prefer saving some money on the left/right surrounds and 4 ceiling speakers. Any surround/ceiling speakers you'd recommend to accommodate this approach?
Hi, Spare Change! Thanks for the great videos. Just have a question about surround speakers. I read that the ideal speaker height is the tweeter should be ear-level. What are your thoughts? Thanks.
Great video! I need some advice. I have Klipsch Reference Home Theater Pack 5.1, basically the orange satellite speakers. I want to buy some in ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos. What in-ceiling speakers do you recommend to match my Klipsch satellite speakers?
I use the Pioneer Elite SP-EC73 for center and all the elites for sourround sound. Got them at a really good deal in december. I am not happy with the center as it uses a passive woofer. I was thinking of buying the elac unifi center. Would this make the sound messed up even though its still andrew jones made?
DeRitz if I remember correctly, Disney’s Tron Legacy has some good panning dialogue in the arena scenes. I could be mistaken. Or at least dialogue sent to all channels at once, which is sort of the point. It will still sound tonally the same across them all.
Another good vid shane quick question how do you hang those arendal monitors on your back wall and ceiling trying to build a system right now and i need to figure this out so if i dont have to buy on wall versions i can get the bookshelf and hang it how your are links to anything would be great.thanks
@@therealshanelee cool so it's there wall mount i thought because you had the MK on there before that you might have had the same mount yeah that ceiling mount vid would be awesome can't wait i'm looking at some RBH sv831R speakers right now so well see.
if i was to build a surround system i would get 4 bookshelf speakers of same type, it enough with 4 speakers for me, but adding a center channel if same type would be easy since they are small enough to fit near screen and it is same orientation. cant beat same speakers for timbre matching. i think having 2 driver speakers is best for this since the tweeter is close to the screen if you dont have it behind. MTM get a bit tall for that use. i would bet that ARENDAL SOUND 1723 BOOKSHELF S THX would do just nicely. the subwoofer setup would be something to think about here, can't just plug in the subwoofer to LFE channel because then the smaller speakers would not get the benefit from subwoofer all the time but only on LFE content.(as far as i know how receivers work)
Here’s a question that is somewhat related but related to power amps. What’s your opinion on whether or not there is a noticieable impact when using a certain brand & make of amplifier to power your FL-C-FR and another brand & make for the surrounds? Have you been in such a configuration before, and if so, what were your observations? I’m asking because I planned on first upgrading my front stage amp (to cover music and movies) and keeping my current 5-channel amp (of different brand and lower power specs) for surrounds until I can afford to purchase the one to match the front, but I’m scared that the sound signature will be “disjointed” when going from speaker to speaker. (Kind of like what you explained in this video). 🤔 Thoughts?
You may notice depending how much more powerful your new amp will be compared to the old one. It’ll also depend on your listening levels and how resolving your speakers are. Of course how well your hearing is will be important too.
I have 2 Klipsch R-26F and an R-25C. Would this smaller center channel be considered a timbre match against the towers? I've been noticing lately that my center could use an upgrade, it definitely sounds weaker than the towers.
Those are from the same line. the r25c is just a weak speaker. I would recommend upgrading to the r-250c. I used to have r28f's with a r250c and it was just fine even though they aren't from the same line.
@@therealshanelee I agree with Shane. Many speakers brands share the internal components across much of their product line. More control of price and quality from their manufacturer the more the speaker brand purchases.
@@seranne I would have to say that your money could be better spent in other areas of your theater then in trying to use the reference five all the way around I don't really see any reason the R11 as surround and height channels wouldn't be a nice match for your reference five LCR
@@seranne to be perfectly honest I am curious if you are being real or are you just dreaming because just by using the R5 for left center right you looking at about 60,000 American dollars. It could be slightly less if they let you buy them as individual speakers rather than two matched pairs. I don't believe they usually let you do that I assume you are going to be using these behind a acoustically transparent screen because you cannot use the speaker horizontally. What projector do you use or will you be purchasing and what will be your screen I assume you're going to get a screen from Seymour screen excellence in your particular area of the world
@@therealshanelee great point and of course they won't. But that's a very stark contrast and wasn't quite what I was trying to express. My mistake. In your example of the KEF speakers, you said to stay within the Q series if your mains are from the Q series already. In this, I don't quite agree - you can go with the R series for the LCRs and save some money for the surrounds by going for the Q series, the tonal differences between the Q and R series especially for surrounds aren't as stark as electrostats to horns.
In commercial theaters, there is no “center channel” speaker. They are all the same. My question is, is it better to have 3 identical speakers for LCR?
In commercial theaters they can have several center channel speakers. So yes they do indeed have a center channel. And yes if you can accommodate three identical speakers across the front that would be the ideal setup.
@@therealshanelee Yes three of the same speakers would be ideal just remember not all speakers are built to be used horizontally and vertically. Most are not and most people dont have room beneath their display for a vertical center channel. My dream one day is for a Seymour AT screen with LCR directly behind the screen like a true cinema. I can dream LOL.
LCR should match. Surrounds don't need to especially if you use audessey. They are for random effects only. Spending all that money on surrounds just makes you a sheep.
Not exactly true that your surrounds don't need to match and honestly if you are talkin about sheep and you're using audyssey to set up your system you're wasting about 75% of what your receiver can do by using audyssey just to let you know. If you don't believe me hire a professional to calibrate your audio in your room and it will sound 200% better and they won't be using audyssey. Audyssey is the biggest scam running out there
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Nope. Your ears lose their timbre resolution for sounds overhead and behind. It’s all about the front LCR matching, the others are strictly governed by placement and dynamics: are they properly placed relative to the MLP and can they go as loud as your LCR/Sub? Timbre is completely irrelevant. Remember that mixing engineers route ALL dialogue through the front LCR, and only environmental effects through surrounds for immersion. Timbre matched rain drops from above are not noticeable. Timbre matched creaking floors? Nope. Complete waste of money when el cheapo Elac surrounds will sound indistinguishable from surrounds costing 10x more if you’re not listening at THX reference levels (99% of HT consumers)
@@fomoontech8217 Thank you for your insight. What would you recommend as a quality Dolby atmos speakers that I am going to mount on the wall or ceiling?
@@drj7328 I would use SVS prime Elevations. I have them mounted on my ceiling in a 7.2.6 at 70hz crossover.
I'm using a combination of my previous first 5.1 setup and (Polk 10" sub, 4x satellites for surround) and Klipsch RPii-series LCR - RP600Miis and RP-504Cii - and RP-series heights - 4x RP500SAs - and 12" sub. The subs are stacked on top of each other. Eventually I'd like to get matching subs and replace the surrounds. but I'm restricted in terms of physical space and financial ability.
Been watching your for a couple years now still highly informative and straight to the point
I have the KEF Q Series in a 5.1.4 set up and they are wonderful Speakers 😍
Oh no Shane I have been pronouncing that word wrong for over two decades. At least I have always went with same brand and same product line for over twenty years. I agree and do think it makes a huge difference in the overall blending of surround movement in your sound field. Thanks for a great and informative video. I will take cheaper speakers that are same product line rather than non-timbre matched high end speakers anyday. Obviously high end timbre matched is the ideal.
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Thanks for the video. Great advice. I've got the frontage of the "acoustic energy 309 as my towers and the 300 as the center, they do the bookshelf but not the surround or Atmos speakers so I might have to sell them and start again.
Most underrated home theatre RUclipsr out there 🔥🔥
I totally understand what your saying, I have Definitely technology BP9080x tower speakers and Definitely technology SR 9080 surround speakers, I also have the Definitely technology Cs9080 Center Speaker, But the Center Speaker is alittle boome no matter how I calibrate it, Watching action movies it sounds great but watching say a drama the voice is alittle muddy, I was thinking of trying Focal Chora center speaker since they have one of the best center speakers for voice clarity on the market for a decent price, Do you think the Focal Center will work with my other speakers?
I have Paradigm Reference studio 100 V5 as my L&R and B&W as my Center and surround speakers and my ears couldn't detect any differences in timbre.
They all sound good to my ears.
Or maybe because I am deaf 🤔.
Very well said! Thankyou Shane.
I have 7 units of Q Acoustics 3020 for my bed channels and 4 units of Q Acoustics 3010 for my height channels...and for that, I totally agree to what Shane explained in this video...
The movement is seamless and of same sound quality....
I've actually got a review of those speakers coming soon.
My System is 6.1 but only the front left and right and rear left and right match each other. The rear left and right are from a sony HT-RT3 soundbar (because they are small sattelites which I needed), Front left and right speakers are Sony floor standing speakers , the rear center is from a Logitech X540 PC speaker system and the front center is a Tannoy. So its all over the place LMAO. If I could buy a full set that match with small rears (smaller than bookshelf) then I would buy it.
The reason for the missmatch is that my living room is only 12' long by 11' wide and theres a corner window (two windows in an L shape) in the back left so I had to put the rear speakers up high , but I will be changing the Sony floor standing speakers for Tannoys that match the center channel.
Nice video!
I must say I prefer DTS X over Dolby Atmos.
StrikerXL Been down wit dts since 1993!
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Maxwell Nylon a lot of people are always taking about Dolby Atmos, but If you listen too DTS in general it sound more fleshed out . 😊
Plus having all the same speaker brand and lineup looks better lol.
Shane Please do a review on Sonys ubp-800m2 4k blu ray player
Just buy a Panasonic 820 and call it a day.
To confirm, does this apply to Klipsch Reference vs Reference Premier. Also, what about subs, like pairing SVS with Klipsch? Good video!
There are some higher end materials in the premiere line like a different tweeter and woofer. The horn is different as well. It does sound different from the reference line last time I heard them. And you’ll be fine mixing subs as long as you set crossovers properly.
This is my setup all speakers klipsch , how get more immersive sound?
Home theater 7.2.2
AVR Marantz 7012
Bluray 4k Panasonic DP ub820
Front klipsch RF-42II
Klipsch Center RP 504C
Subwoofer klipsch R-110SW
Subwoofer SVS PB 1000
Klipsch Surround and surround back RB-41 II
Klipsch Dolby Atmos Rp 140SA
Emotiva BasX A-700 (only 5 channels used, center, front left, front right , Dolby Atmos left and right )
living Room size 13 x 31 (403 sq feet complete) (used front TV is 13 x 12 sq feet)
Great video Shane I'm upgrading from pioneer andrew jones line to the emotiva airmotiv line also about to build a addition on to the house and make a full home theater I seen the tour of your room and I love it its the perfect size can you tell me what the room measurements are thanks
The airmotivs are getting a refresh so you may want to wait for those.
@@therealshanelee yeah I heard about that but $1746 out the door for the t2 c2 e2 and b1 thats a full 7.0 system for that price I dont think I can wait
Great video, Shane!
I have a pair of B&W 704 S2s paired with an SVS sub right now. I'm thinking about upgrading to a 5.1.4 setup. In doing so, I'm prepared to get the B&W 700 series center channel speaker, but I'd really prefer saving some money on the left/right surrounds and 4 ceiling speakers. Any surround/ceiling speakers you'd recommend to accommodate this approach?
Hi, Spare Change! Thanks for the great videos. Just have a question about surround speakers. I read that the ideal speaker height is the tweeter should be ear-level. What are your thoughts? Thanks.
Mine are ear level.
Great video! I need some advice. I have Klipsch Reference Home Theater Pack 5.1, basically the orange satellite speakers. I want to buy some in ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos. What in-ceiling speakers do you recommend to match my Klipsch satellite speakers?
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I use the Pioneer Elite SP-EC73 for center and all the elites for sourround sound. Got them at a really good deal in december. I am not happy with the center as it uses a passive woofer. I was thinking of buying the elac unifi center. Would this make the sound messed up even though its still andrew jones made?
Thanks for the video full of good information, do you have an example of a good example of a movie with dialog changing to all channels?
DeRitz if I remember correctly, Disney’s Tron Legacy has some good panning dialogue in the arena scenes. I could be mistaken. Or at least dialogue sent to all channels at once, which is sort of the point. It will still sound tonally the same across them all.
Thanks
so purchase them all at once or just try them out one at a time... that's the advise?
How good are your face expressions when demonstrating what mismatched speakers sound like ha ha
Another good vid shane quick question how do you hang those arendal monitors on your back wall and ceiling trying to build a system right now and i need to figure this out so if i dont have to buy on wall versions i can get the bookshelf and hang it how your are links to anything would be great.thanks
They make wall brackets for them. I’m not sure the cost but you can email them for extras. I’ll have a video up soon on how to mount to the ceiling.
@@therealshanelee cool so it's there wall mount i thought because you had the MK on there before that you might have had the same mount yeah that ceiling mount vid would be awesome can't wait i'm looking at some RBH sv831R speakers right now so well see.
if i was to build a surround system i would get 4 bookshelf speakers of same type, it enough with 4 speakers for me, but adding a center channel if same type would be easy since they are small enough to fit near screen and it is same orientation. cant beat same speakers for timbre matching.
i think having 2 driver speakers is best for this since the tweeter is close to the screen if you dont have it behind. MTM get a bit tall for that use. i would bet that ARENDAL SOUND 1723 BOOKSHELF S THX would do just nicely.
the subwoofer setup would be something to think about here, can't just plug in the subwoofer to LFE channel because then the smaller speakers would not get the benefit from subwoofer all the time but only on LFE content.(as far as i know how receivers work)
Here’s a question that is somewhat related but related to power amps.
What’s your opinion on whether or not there is a noticieable impact when using a certain brand & make of amplifier to power your FL-C-FR and another brand & make for the surrounds?
Have you been in such a configuration before, and if so, what were your observations?
I’m asking because I planned on first upgrading my front stage amp (to cover music and movies) and keeping my current 5-channel amp (of different brand and lower power specs) for surrounds until I can afford to purchase the one to match the front, but I’m scared that the sound signature will be “disjointed” when going from speaker to speaker. (Kind of like what you explained in this video). 🤔
Thoughts?
You may notice depending how much more powerful your new amp will be compared to the old one. It’ll also depend on your listening levels and how resolving your speakers are. Of course how well your hearing is will be important too.
I have 2 Klipsch R-26F and an R-25C. Would this smaller center channel be considered a timbre match against the towers? I've been noticing lately that my center could use an upgrade, it definitely sounds weaker than the towers.
Those are from the same line. the r25c is just a weak speaker. I would recommend upgrading to the r-250c. I used to have r28f's with a r250c and it was just fine even though they aren't from the same line.
Absolutely
would pairing the reference 5 for front stage and for the suround and height channels with the r-line be such a bad idea?
They share a lot of the same tech so they should sound very similar.
@@therealshanelee I agree with Shane. Many speakers brands share the internal components across much of their product line. More control of price and quality from their manufacturer the more the speaker brand purchases.
Thank you for your answer. So between r11 and reference 5 it might not justify the price bump of 9000 euro
@@seranne I would have to say that your money could be better spent in other areas of your theater then in trying to use the reference five all the way around I don't really see any reason the R11 as surround and height channels wouldn't be a nice match for your reference five LCR
@@seranne to be perfectly honest I am curious if you are being real or are you just dreaming because just by using the R5 for left center right you looking at about 60,000 American dollars. It could be slightly less if they let you buy them as individual speakers rather than two matched pairs. I don't believe they usually let you do that I assume you are going to be using these behind a acoustically transparent screen because you cannot use the speaker horizontally. What projector do you use or will you be purchasing and what will be your screen I assume you're going to get a screen from Seymour screen excellence in your particular area of the world
I have to becuase my mom but i am having a sound bar as a center speaker.
ohh damn...and here I thought it meant get the same type of wood casing....shyt!
I agree for the main LCR to timbre match, but the surrounds? Uhm... it's not mandatory.
Nothing's mandatory but if you have some electrostats up front and a pair of Klipsch around back you honestly think they'll match sonically?
@@therealshanelee great point and of course they won't. But that's a very stark contrast and wasn't quite what I was trying to express. My mistake.
In your example of the KEF speakers, you said to stay within the Q series if your mains are from the Q series already. In this, I don't quite agree - you can go with the R series for the LCRs and save some money for the surrounds by going for the Q series, the tonal differences between the Q and R series especially for surrounds aren't as stark as electrostats to horns.
If your within the same family of speakers then yes you should be alright. Mixing and matching of different brands is something I wouldn't do.
I think my ears need to be timbre matched
I dont care if it should or should not. I think I have some sort of OCD, I´d go insane if they did not match :p
lol i totally agree!
In commercial theaters, there is no “center channel” speaker. They are all the same. My question is, is it better to have 3 identical speakers for LCR?
In commercial theaters they can have several center channel speakers. So yes they do indeed have a center channel. And yes if you can accommodate three identical speakers across the front that would be the ideal setup.
@@therealshanelee Yes three of the same speakers would be ideal just remember not all speakers are built to be used horizontally and vertically. Most are not and most people dont have room beneath their display for a vertical center channel. My dream one day is for a Seymour AT screen with LCR directly behind the screen like a true cinema. I can dream LOL.
LCR should match. Surrounds don't need to especially if you use audessey. They are for random effects only. Spending all that money on surrounds just makes you a sheep.
Not exactly true that your surrounds don't need to match and honestly if you are talkin about sheep and you're using audyssey to set up your system you're wasting about 75% of what your receiver can do by using audyssey just to let you know. If you don't believe me hire a professional to calibrate your audio in your room and it will sound 200% better and they won't be using audyssey. Audyssey is the biggest scam running out there