Britain's Triumph: The Surrender of the German High Seas Fleet
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It turned out that those sunken ships were a real blessing for modern science.
Because of nuclear weapons testing, steel produced today is slightly radioactive, which causes problems when you want to produce very sensitive measuring equipment.
However, there's a giant pile of pre-nuke steel (so-called "low-background steel") on the bottom of that Scottish bay. Large parts of the Imperial German navy have been dismantled on the ocean floor to get its steel.
That is amazing! Could you give me somewhere I can read more about it?
@@leonardofranzinribeiro4220 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
Supposedly some was used to build voyager
Shit this is interesting, thank you for the basic info and thank you Alexander for the Wikipedia article. Never knew this.
Yes, it is correct and thanks for reminding me as I have completely forgotten about this..
“If I cant have my ships, NOBODY CAN!” - Admiral Reuter
...ANY of his british colleagues would have done the same in this situation...!
More like Admiral Neuter
The famous yandere line
and now like US and China v:
Bravo
You never really consider the events immediately after the treaties that end wars, so it's interesting to see how things unfold after something as large as WW1.
The Arrogance of the Allies considering taking the ships and the pride of Germany came together in a badly timed event. The Allies were going to take them anyway either the 20th or later on.
Free Form Jazz yeah man! It’s really interesting I agree :-)
Free Form Jazz yup WW2 happened because of ww1
@MusicMadMaurice I know and the German people were desperate for a strong leader who could bring them out of the hell hole that Versailles made.
The great war channel did the way and the aftermath. Indi started a second channel; world war two, doing the same. Week by week as it unfolded 100 years ago
My grandfather, an18 year-old sailor, was at Scapa Flow to witness the arrival of the High Seas Fleet. I've got a photograph of the fleet while still afloat.
May I see?
mind sharing it?
My curiosity is immeasurable and my potential to see it is ruined
@@lorenzooliveira1157 As it is mine.
You let us down man...
"We won't surrender, we were never bested in battle"
"You can have a battle if you like. Look, this is exactly how many ships you'll be facing off against"
Well the german navy actually wanted that final battle....the sailors mutinied after they got those orders
@@noobster4779
Just to be clear. They mutinied after orders to sail out and fight the RN (end of October 1918)....... those orders?
That time had passed. The Battle of Jutland was where the battle should have been. But the Germans turned away. The Germans had already given the British a black eye. Should have used that to continue the fight.
😁😁😁
@@donaldgrant9067 Black eye in an unsuccesful mission, they wanted to get out but were forced back, mission failure means lost, no matter the loss of ships. Argentina lost only one major ship in the Falklands war and were forced to stay in harbour, the UK lost much more, does that mean Argentina won by sinking more ships.No.
This is top class Youtubing. Well done. 8:45 Fremantle not telling the Germans that the deadline had been extended and then taking his ships on exercise so that the Germans had easy opportunity to scuttle their boats was, of course, entirely coincidental! The German navy retained some dignity and the Brits solved a thorny problem about how the High Seas Fleet should be dealt with. The apotheosis of 'win win' I'd say. 10:40 "The French were incandescent". Hoorah!
and yet they murdered 9 sailors
@@germanqr You just murdered a thread.
@@Alan_Mac It was self defense, I swear!
@@germanqr Yeah because historically the Germans have hardly murdered anyone.
Exactly. A lot of backroom politics went on to cause this event. It's so obvious its not even funny.
One thing you can never deny the Royal Navy after all these years...They have the most badass names for their ships :D
Undoubtedly correct
Damn straight!
Thunderer! Conqueror! Revenge!
And who can forget the imposing and mighty Flower Class Corvette: HMS Pink!
Wait...
Birkenhead is my favourite.
I concur the Indefatigable has the best name!
cant argue with that
I thought the rest of the ships escaped to an unknown section in space to form the First Ord....
Whoops, wrong history...
It would be a better story for the first order then the one we got.
Wait... I forgot we got nothing.
Didn't they escape to America to become the founders of freemasonry?
I would pay to see that
But some of them didn't make during Battle of Jakku
well it would make more sense though
I have a theory that the British Government knew the Germans would scuttle their fleet and ordered the British Admiral to go on the 3 day training operation giving the Germans time to prepare to sink their ships. This would stop the Italians and French from being on par with the British Navy. Do you think the British Gov is behind this or not?
@Joel Schembri The US Navy was also in the process of transitioning from coal to oil, which offered several advantages that amounted to better power projection in vast distances the pacific. I don't think the US Navy would have even wanted a bunch of coal powered battleships, which would have only served to give congress an excuse to cut funding for the new battleships they actually wanted.
@@costakeith9048 but they transitioned from coal fired boilers to oil fired boilers and not to diesel engines, which is not such a big advantage. There were some European coal-fired dreadnoughts with similar or even higher range as the latest American Colorado class at a comparable armor. They were just not interested because theire economy was able to build easily many more ships. In contrast to this big parts of the french economy got destroyed during the war, the British had too much state dept because of the war and the Italians had not yet the industrial capabilities to build them cost effective. Moreover the impact of the US at the peace conference was smaller than britain, France or Italy and the main war goal of them was mostly bringing democracy and abolish monarchy in central Europe and not a total demilitarisation
I guess that has some merit. I mean think about what the British did to the Fench navy in WW2: sunk the fleet in their anchoring port lest Germany or Italy get their hands on some pretty battleships and threaten the British in the Middle Sea
Dont think it was that deep of a conspiracy, but I would say the admiralty and especially fremantel was purposefully neglectful to tell Reuters about the knows and made no attempts to ever really stop a potential scuttling (for example the 3 day exercise wasn't done to get the germans to scuttle the fleet, but was instead allowed because the admiralty had no intentions or care to prevent a scuttling)
@Athrun82 they did that because the French commander left them with no other choice, he couldn't see reason through the blindness that came over him due to his pride. His orders from the French government permitted him to let his ships be interred and disarmed in the United States but he got salty that the only British officer who spoke French well enough to give him the terms was a mere captain so he rejected the more than reasonable terms offered by the British because they were not presented to him by a full fleet admiral even though the captain was essentially just an interpreter.
Something else to note about the sinking of the German High Seas fleet...during the Great Depression, that area did not suffer nearly as bad as many others in the United Kingdom due to the fact that so much work was continuing on the recovery of the sunken German ships, there was a steady work load for locals to count on almost up until World War 2 began.
I never actually thought of this a lot
What
@@frostyalaska6371 I already knew about the arms race but so did a lot of people, but its normally overshadowed, altho being one of the primary reasons why Britain went to war with Germany
We should have sold the ships to the swiss :P
Then re buy them in world war 2. Sneaky
Sweden?
@@gintautassickus6390 No the Swiss. The joke is that they dont have a coast.
@@Lord_Lambert I was trying to make another joke because Sweden would have no use for the fleet because Sweden is neutral.
@@Lord_Lambert ironically Switzerland has one of the largest merchant navies in the world
I have always heard of the scuttling of the German empire’s high seas fleet but I haven’t learned about it but this event in history is very interesting to me because I haven’t seen any video about the high seas fleet and I have always wanted to learn more about it and how the Orkney islands of Scotland played a part in ww1
I read a very interesting book on the salvage of a large number of the ships by Ernest Cox in the 1930s
4:00 He who has the guns, makes the rules.
The pen might be mightier than the sword, but the one with the sword decides who has the pen.
"The pen might be mightier than the sword, but the one with the sword decides who has the pen." I've never heard that one before, but it is so absolutely true. Hope you don't mind if i borrow it.
“Whoever said the pen is mightier than the sword obviously never encountered automatic weapons.”
― Douglas MacArthur
@@runi5413 well,he was not entirely wrong,but diplomacy is advised
@@runi5413 Heheh, machine gun go BRRRRRRRRRRR
@@runi5413 said the guy who was kicked out of office by the stroke of a pen
Damn, Reuter did something truly brave. With his action he restored honor.
Proud of him 🇩🇪
I mean, yes he did the right thing, but face the facts. He was only able to do so because the British let him. Do you honestly believe the excuse that the British just happened to be out on exercises that day? Come on, get real.
@@micfail2 Yes, and?
It depends on your concept of honour. Scuttling is an acknowledgement of defeat even if it is dressed up as honour.
I’d call having a floating navy and wining a world war honour, perhaps it’s just a preference
The British handed him a pistol and then looked away.
People think of battleships and awesome naval battles and the first thing that comes to most people's mind are WW2 battles and events, but they overlook the events of WW1, a conflict in which the battleship was still the absolute king of the sea. It's somehow both a relief and a shame to think that we will never see the likes of these massive fleets again.
During ww1 battleships were monsters during ww2 they got replaced by carriers and became obsolete by introduction of carriers from end of ww1 onwards even to this day grand fleet in november of 1918 was the largest fleet in terms of naval power ever put to sea since we are not counting things like aircraft carriers even us in ww2 did not have that large fleet of cruisers battleships and destroyers they had only more subs but thats it of course having fleet this size came at heavy cost you need a hell of a lot of money to maintain fleet that size and after ww1 when britain was drained from money it was just matter of time when their navy would see downfall like many other countries they simply did not need that number of ships because it was peace time and everyone basically scrapped most of their ships after ww1 because nobody had economy back then to maintain fleet of that size
I'm not so sure about that. Aircraft Carriers are the current dominant ship type, but once laser weaponry becomes practical, battleships might see a resurgence. Why? Because no aircraft can dodge a laser. You'd want heavy armor to withstand laser damage.
Of course, we probably won't see something like that for at least half a century.
@@darkdill Same for Coil- and Railguns (note: I prefer coilguns, no rails that wear out!), they also need a lot of power, so yeah they might return, especially with the amound of active (ECM) and passive countermeasures these days that can protect such a ship (and the amound of damage they can soak up - I mean the likes of Yamato took a lot of hits to sink! Bomb hits and torpedos! Both often have larger warheads than shells!)
@@darkdill Aircrafts don't need to dodge lazer since anti-ship can be launched far outside visual range & over the horizon. Missles can follow the Earth curvature while lazer can only go straightline.
@@nhancao4790 anti ship missiles can be shot at by laser weaponry just like aircraft would, though the tech is still way too immature for that kind of use, it may never even get to the point of practicality regardless so it's all speculation
it's a bit ironic thing that later during WW2 when Germany occupied Denmark, my danish forefathers did the same with scuttling most of the Danish fleet to prevent it falling into the hands of the germans. At that time the idea of having to fly anything else than the national flag on the danish navy was also seen as a disgrace. The idea was that military ship was almost like a floating landmass of its parent nation and god forbid to fly any other flag!
and during Napoleon, the Brits shelled Kopenhagen to steal the danish fleet.
This is so sad. Alexa play Wir lagen vor madagaskar
more like Wir Lagen vor Scapa Flow
It would be interesting if you did a video on the golden age of piracy... there’s not a lot of good videos about it from what I’ve seen. Love your content, and great video!
My great grandfather, with the U.S. Navy, was at this event on the USS Florida and gave an account in the local newspaper, which I recently came into possession of. He gave credit to the Royal Navy for their impressive fleet and said that on heading to the location the men on his ship were eager for a fight. He mentions the Zeppelins present at the surrender and later creating a "graveyard for the Heinies" off the coast of Norway. He went on to fight in WWII in the Pacific, was a Chief Petty Officer, had an anchor tattoo on his forearm and I knew him as a child in the 80s.
Being a Californian of the United States of America, it was quite hilarious to me when the graphic came up showing the fleets amassed for the journey to Scapa Flow and seeing amongst the numerous red British ships and grey German ships, the five blue USA ships just kind of "there." 😆
tbh i think that was the best action to take. Its like saying "Ill decide how i will die". The Control over there ships was one of the last things Germany was proud of and so it was the best action for them to destroy them, in order to keep there honer.
Lol except it was not under their control and it was not their choice. they were only able to scuttle those ships because the British let them to avoid them falling into the hands of the French or Italians.
@@micfail2 You keep pasting this in every thread, as if people don't already know.
@@LordVader1094 yeah, because correcting the same incorrect narrative two or three times while using different phrasing every time is "pasting in every thread" lol
@@micfail2 It was definitly their choice. they assumed the armistice talks would end prematurely and logically hostilities would reassume. Becuase they didnt want to fight a last stand in the middle of the british base they preparred to scuttle the moment they assumed to their knowledge the armistice would be over soon. They were perfectly in their rights to do so and would have done so even if the british battleships were still in the harbour. You simply cant stop a fleet of this size from scutteling with a few meager ships. The germans would have simply sabotaged their own ships so they cant be safed after succteling was commensed.
The british fucked this one up by not giving the germans the newspapers on time, the fact that the battleships left the harbour just mae it easier and "safer" for the germans to scuttle but they would have done it anyway.
It was very much their choice. They could have simply not scuttled the fleet. The standing order of not letting ships be captured didnt apply anymore anyway because the organization that issued this order didnt exist anymore and also that order was issued for war time which was over.
You can argue all day long about the british wanting this to happen, it doesnt matter in the slightet. The germans made the choice and carried it out without beeing forced to it by the british. Point in case.
@@micfail2 Says the one in the wrong lol
Those two lines of Battleships is just insane. Only thing more impressive would be the number of Fleet Carriers (not to mention the escort carriers) the USN had after WWII.
I’d personally say they are even as it’s undoubtedle the WW2 US Navy was the peak of carrier fleets but no one can deny that the WW1 British Grand Fleet was the absolute peak of battle fleets and I personally am more biased towards floating fortresses with enormous guns over. floating airfields
@@MCLegend13 I would definitely say that these two battle lines looked far more impressive and intimidating. I'd love for someone to find out how many guns would be in a broad side from each line and what the weight of fire would be!
"At that moment on that night, the Royal Navy had become the most powerful fleet in the world by a terrifying margin." That makes me proud.
Why?
What I wouldn't give to be in a balloon hovering above that awesome sight 3:04
That would be a sight
It would be a sight, except that most ships at the time used coal for fuel, so you wouldn't be able to see much from a balloon other than a thick black smog
@@nhancao4790
So thats just a big aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov
I live quite close to there and I think seeing that amount of ships sitting there would be amazing to watch
No wonder every German was pissed
'l never touched a drop, (hic)'.
@@ASMR.GentleMan France lost 30% of its young adult population, not to mention the destruction caused by the germans in all of the occupied territories. So do not talk about the "greedy french", it was only justice.
@@nicolas.p331 Yes because the French would have done so different if the Germans would have just stayed inside their territory and waited for Russia and their Ally France to attack fighting a two front war on their own territory. France knew that the Germans couldnt afford to wait. It was do or die. A dilemma France was oh so happy to exploit.
@@possumGFX Well it was Germany who declared war, not France. France even ordered its troop to stay 10 km away from the border not to provoke the germans.
Beside we saw what kind of peace treaty the germans had in stock for Russia, they have no room to bitch about the "unfair conditions".
@@nicolas.p331 So how fair were Frances conditions to Morocco or in Indochina? Stop buying the narrative of France as a peaceloving nation. France was a bloodlusty, murderous colonial enslaver and oppressor-state and so was belgium.
Historigraph's videos have a level of quality few history channels even come close to. The production is simple, yet that is a strength, not a weakness. It allows the viewer to understand complex events and it compliments his narration extremely well. This video but especially his Jutland video are great examples of this.
I just wanted to point that out and leave a comment to appease the Algorithm Gods. Every day he uploads a video is a good day!
"The Greatest Gathering of Naval Firepower."
*[slaps ballistic submarine]*
THIS BABY CAN SINK SO MANY CITYS
*[slaps global warming]*
THIS BABY CAN SINK SO MANY ISLANDS
@@onewhosaysgoose4831 Hows your hand?
*[Slaps HMS Hood]*
THIS BABY CAN GO KABOOM
@@billylauwda9178 *[Slaps navies that have fought against the British navy]
THIS BABY CAN GO KABOOM
@@fot6771 *[slaps britain]*
This country knows only how to oppress others for their own gains and then invents rules to limit naval power when they can no longer compete
33 battleships
12 battlecruisers
34 light cruisers
And 120 destroyers
Good, God. If your British you can’t help but feel a since of pride here. I wonder what the Germans were thinking
Makes me shed a tear 😢
It was our way of saying “don’t try and be smart. We will kill you if you try”
And not one battleship was kept as a museum ship for the public to see...
Shame, Anger, Fury. They weren’t defeated in battle, yet treated like they had lost. Also, imagine if Germany won, forced the biggest part of the Grand Fleet to be transferred to Wilhelmshafen, while escorted by the High Seas fleet. Adding to that the „stabbing, shooting and almost lynching of someone already down“ that was the treaty of Versailles, the brits did good work in making it a „War to end all Wars“
As a German, I think they felt like me today, that our two nations, connected through many families and our quite similar culture, should have never gone to war against each other. Both our nations only lost in both world wars. We lost about half of our land and population, and you lost your colonial empire and naval dominance to the uprising USA.
The Royal Navy still has a fleet tonnage higher than nearly all of Europe combined and 4th overall in the world over 100 years after its high water mark.
Your formation of the fleet that escorted the Germans into internment is missing the Isle of Man steamer "SS King Orry" - as it acted as the ship the Germans communicated with, the HSF technically surrendered to a passenger ferry
So the germans didnt surrender to the royal navy but the british gouvernmeant represented through a civilian ship. Makes sense.
YES. I frickin love Historigraph videos! It's been too long since the last one. 😜😘
I knew of the scuttling of course, having read up about Jutland. Never read of the background to it before though. Great video, thanks!
Fun fact the high sea fleet sank, but the tax on sparkling wine the German government introduced to pay for the ships is still in force....
I'm not crying, you are !!!
Today the Battleship Texas is the only dreadnaught still in existence in the World and it’s cool to know she was there at the surrender rep representing her state and country
Best or nothing! "This last act is true to the best traditions of the German navy."
Ah yes, sinking their own ships.
Quite a tradition. Not a very smart one when it comes to battle, but eh.
the German Navy at that point did'nt really have a long history or extensive use in operations prior to WW1
I love the quality of this channel since the very first video I accidentally watched. I am now a fan of naval history of XX cent.
"We came to surrender our fleet..... aaaaand its gone!"
So glad to see you back!! Know it mustve been frustrating with the move and everything
USS Texas seen a lot of history. I really wish there was more photos of both fleet steaming to Port. That must have just been amazing to see.
I have my grandfather's photo of the surrender. He served at Jutland as a 16 year old boy seaman.
Operation Deadlight was the name of the WWII operation where the Allies scuttled the remaining German U-boats. Was this name also used in World War 1?
Yeah for the subs. The HSF was Op ZZ
Claude Choules witnessed this aboard HMS Revenge. He passed away in May 2011, the last WW1 veteran to see active service.
4:56 We had 14 dreadnoughts operational with an additional 5 under construction (Tennessee, California, New Mexico, Mississippi, and Idaho).
This video is sadly underapreciated
This channel is extraordinary.
Thanks :)
Holy shit so many ships at once!
It hurt the eyes... So much hard work... Not even had the chance to fight back
the British truly did have a terrifying presence on the oceans
@@SirZanZa nah mate. The Brits knew the only only fleet which can be a threat to royal Navy was German high seas fleet and the quality and accuracy of Germans were better than that of RN. Giving these ships is bad for RN
@@danishkfd not in the slightest bit true, Germany had a handful of good ships, the UK had hundreds. Germany was great at submarine warfare and appalling at surface fleet engagements and was completely owned in both world wars
Poster looks great, just ordered the larger one, keep the videos coming!!
Beatty just wanted to act tough and superior because he got bamboozled at Jutland.
I have to say, I'd have done exactly Reuter did. You want my ships? Then haul them out of the water. I won't make your job easy.
The British & Americans were delighted at the German action. Neither wanted France or Italy getting hold of any of the newer German ships.
You should of sold the ships to north korea
Nah they are to advanced for u guys
North Korea did not exist in 1919, so that would have been difficult.
Should have*
Yeah wtf Germany
A bit off topic, but the often stated "naval arms race" being a cause for WW1 is a misconception. Historians pin their flag on the date "1906", saying that here is where that "history" started.
Actually, the naval arms race started in 1871, with an unsuccessful attempted blockade of northern German ports during the Franco-Prussian War by the French navy.
The "cause" was therefore the intention of German leaders to protect German citizens from the threat of blockade. Blockading an enemy, was one of the favorite means of economic warfare at the time. It therefore "started" with a German-French naval arms race, and expanded to a German - French/Russian arms race after France and Russia formed an alliance (Entente Cordial).
It was the British policy for the continent called "Balance of Power" which escalated tensions. By default, the policy practically dictated that the continent's most powerful state/alliance would be "the enemy in war". This was determined by British politicians, in London, and nobody else can be blamed for this attitude, but British policy makers.
German leaders therefore countered that, on the foundation of facts, which meant that "by default" (until the policy of Balance of Power changed) they were "the enemy" in the minds of British leaders
When GB joined Russia and France, creating the Tripple Entente, this "naval arms race" was already in full swing. Obviously, German leaders then had to protect German ports from a potential blockade of THREE navies. British, Russian, and French.
In other words, the German naval re-armament was an "effect" of previous actions (causality). Not a "cause" but an "effect" of previous events. The German leaders reacted to a potential threat (blockade).
A confusion of "cause and effect", by simply pinning a "starting date" randomly on a timeline. "History" is being "sold" to us the wrong way, and it is easy to confuse people.
Also, study the design parameters of the German ships built up to WW1. Note that they were close range, coast defence vessels without any *global reach.*
(Google the difference between a "Blue Water Navy" and "Coast Defence i.e. "Brown--" or "Green Water Navies")
The threat to the RN and the British Empire was the typical fear mongering by arms manufacturers, vying for funds for their particular industry.
Admittedly the empire was going to lose power eventually, it was much larger than Britain's comparative industrial power was at that time, if the Germans hadn't crippled our economy it would've been the yanks or even maybe the Japanese (if you give the Japanese the luck that the Germans have when they were moving in on Paris in 1940)
...considering there was no such country called Germany/Deutschland before 1871 it makes perfect sense.
@@jimihendrix991 London did not declare a preventive war against Berlin, either before or after 1870, because a united and strong Germany (new after 1871) suited the lordships just fine.
It "balanced out" their biggest rivals/enemies, which was Russia and France.
I am so glad your back!
sinking of a perfectly good fleet of battleships makes me very sad...
Imagine if the french would have gotten them theyd have been much stronger in ww2.
Superb video, excellent research! Thank you 👏👏
It would be so interesting to know what happened to the Austro Hungarian navy when the war ended
It was so inconsequential everyone just sort of.. forgot about it.
There's probably a derelict Austro-Hungarian Cruiser out there with all the crew having died of old age. Wondering why they hadn't received any orders for a good 6 decades...
Arthur Fisher do you know where it is
Most of it was given to Italy and France, who scrapped the battleships (they already had more than enough and could not afford to keep more given their troubled postwar financial situation) and kept some light cruisers and destroyers in service (they were all scrapped before World War II as they had become obsolete). Several pre-dreadnoughts and armoured cruisers were also given to the UK, who scrapped them immediately. Some torpedo boats, monitors, and auxiliary ships were left to Yugoslavia, Austria-Hungary's successor state on the Adriatic coast, with some of them serving into World War II (where they ended falling into Italian hands, later into German hands, and the few survivors served postwar Communist Yugoslavia).
Arthur Fisher interesting but wouldn’t it be cool to see what happened to the ottoman navy because I know that the germans sent some of their ships into ottoman service
What wasn't sunk by Italy was given to the entente
11:11 "True to the best traditions of the German navy"
That tradition?
Sinking
Serving the country even during the chaos of defeat and in the most humbling conditions for a once powerful fleet, and risking their own lives by hardening the British with such bold action, while they might well go to safe internment and when the enemies of fatherland capture the spoils.
@@Melnek1 You mean by performing a dishonorable action?
@@user-sc9oy1kz8g High Seas Fleet ships were not captured in battle, the fleet was surrendered by Berlin mandate, from the point of view of officers and sailors, taking this action was bold and honorable.
@@Melnek1 Sinking vessels while in captivity? How was it bold they didnt even get punished?
@@user-sc9oy1kz8g You speak as if the operation had not been risky, German sailors died when they did not need to, but chose to pay their duty to the country, depriving their enemies of spoils. If you are unable to see how honorable these sailors were for serving fatherland even in defeat under threat of being hanged, I have nothing more to say to you.
You can buy a couple of the sunken ships on eBay for ~£100k, so that's something.
Love your channel, glad you're back.
“Vanity of vanities, all is vanity”
a crime out of all porposions, 70 million dead in 1945- whos to blame?
@@harryeisermann2784 this was world War one moron
@@Modest-op2vv the more things change, the more they stay the same
@@jacksonthesyndicalist2771 yes u f... dummy, WW1 is the source of WW2 - you f...wit, ignorend shit
I've dived these wrecks, and although big they're not that good to dive as they all turned turtle and the interesting bits are in the mud.
3:30 this essentially says "alright if you make even a single wrong maneuver we're taking you down". To put this into context their escort had 199 ships with likely hundreds more left to reinforce if somehow the German fleet managed to escape, the German fleet on the other hand had only 70 which is 2.84x less and with absolutely no chance of reinforcement
The British guns were actually kept with shells ready to be loaded, and the position/range of their assigned target constantly tracked
There does seem to have been at least some worry that the Germans would do something
@@historigraph but imagine the memes if they actually did
''It's over Reuter, I have the high ground!"
"You underestimate my power!"
"Don't try it."
*High Seas Fleet suddenly mans battle stations*
*proceeds to get pounded into oblivion by torpedoes and shells*
I'd heard it was bad, but i really had no idea til now. Thanks for for that
One of your best videos in my opinion
Thank you so much :)
It’s such a shame that such great ships and grand engineering was scuttled and lost forever
Somarik Green Yeah, I forgot about Britain’s love for scrapping ships
Not lost. Through herculanean salvage efforts most were raised for scrap just before WW2
Question, if the Royal Navy wanted the fleet destroyed anyhow and were expecting to need to resume hostilities in a matter of days wouldnt the Germans sinking thier own fleets be beneficial? So why even try to prevent it?
Stops other allied nations claiming them without the British doing anything and saved the royal navy time, lives and ammunition if hostilities resumed?
Because if the rest of the allies, especially France and Italy found out that Britain had just let them do it then they would protest
You're assuming the commanders on the ground knew this matter of high policy, I don't imagine the Admiralty was advertising the fact they didn't trust their allies with these ships. They had given orders to protect the ships and that's what was being carried out.
what a sight this must have been. this huge fleet
I didn't know the Battleship Texas took part in this, and now I am even prouder of my states Battleship
Thank you!
@historigraph you have come along way since getting convinced to make yt videos by count cristo. Great work!
Honestly I deserve royalties.
Only when I get mine for giving you the idea to beat endsieg!
Deal. That video isn't monetized pay up.
Damn gonna have to go back and watch both ur endsiegs again now
@@Throwaway-gn4tu Haha enjoy!
I want to see the Scuttling at Toulon.
Nice idea :)
I would love to have both of these different sized posters, but I`m not sure what I`m doing wrong. It was hard finding them by the link
Heart of Oak intensifies.
New Objective: Rebuild the High Seas Fleet.
Britain: Haha we will do everything in our hands to demean the germans and wave our Naval Prowess in their and everyone's faces
Von Reuter: I cannot stand to bear such dishonor, the fleet shall be sunk by my hand
Britain: REEEEEEEEE VON REUTER YOU VIOLATED COMMON HONOR AND TRADITION BY NOT ALLOWING US TO HUMILATE AND DISHONOR YOU
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It's the british, never expect them to act fair
You shouldn’t be shocked, there’s no such thing as honorable british
Amazing as always
The fleet that escorted the high seas fleet was our way of saying “try anything and we will send you to kingdom come.”
Pretty much. That escort was also meant to be the naval version of a firing squad if the German ships tried anything funny.
2022: fuck around and find out!
1918: commence tomfoolery and discover the consequences!
German fleet: *sinks*
Britain: Oh no! Anyway…
so they lined their ships up similar how nelson did at Trafalgar to escort the german fleet
As always fantastic history video
You always think that the German fleet during the First World War was quite respectable... Which it was... But then you compare it to just the British Grand Fleet and then you finally see why Germany never tried to challenge British naval supremacy again after Jutland.
Yes also considering the adventures of German far eastern fleet thier story gives me chills
I've lived in Stromness for 3 years and its always funny looking out on Scapa every morning, realising the entire German fleet sank there 100 years ago. (its pronounced as if you were saying scahpa not scarper, cool vid)
*Sad Der Mächtigste König im Luftrevier*
Those posters are really cool, would love to see you make more!
Oh no there's a rogue apostrophe on your wallchart. It's is incorrect, being the shortened form of 'it is' or 'it has'. Anything else - including the possessive - you need 'its' without any apostrophe. Yay someone had to be that guy :P
Am aware, will be fixing later today when I return to my desk
WHAT a superb, electrifying historical presentation.
Talk about a real “fuck you” moment from the German Navy.
They could've been museums😢😢
Don't get me started on the criminal lack of museum ships in the UK!
Ikr!!
@@historigraph Bruh, i'm from France... We don't even know what a museum ship is...
I always thought that the scuttling was done under the British orders, but this video show the truth .
"price in Europe" --> pounds
W a t
I’m UK based so easier for me to handle
@@historigraph I think the Surprised Pikachu face is questioning UK being in Europe.
@@recklessroges of course it is in europe. Ever looked at a map?
I mean the british pound was the foreign reserve for almost all country
@@kel000001 you might want to catch up with the events that have unfolded since 1910
Jutland may have been a tactical victory (akin to a defeat being called a victory, usually by the defeated party) as it helped to keep the Imperial out of the Atlantic but it was a 'victory' that the UK could not afford to repeat: 110+k tons total ship losses (v 62+k for Germany) and 6+k killed (v 2.5+k). The UK fleet was also hamstrung though as almost all their battleships were stuck in the North Sea watching the Imperial fleet stuck in the North Sea. Had a second engagement occurred with the same disastrous results for the 'victorious' UK, the allies would have been seriously hampered on the path to triumph.
That's what's called a pyrrhic victory.
Jutland resulted in more German ships put out of action for longer- it strengthened the RNs naval superiority over the North Sea.
Do you know how many Grand Fleet battleships were actually damaged? Two, HMS Colossus by two heavy calibre hits, and HMS Marlborough by a torpedo.
So the British were happy and the Germans were happy (to an extent) only the French and Italians were upset
This is very sad to watch. I wish Kaiser would come back. My country needs you
Yes we need a Kaiser
US navy : * names ship after city's and heroes *
Royal navy * names ship Illustrious, Victorious, Indominable, Formidable, Warspite, Duke of York, Iron Duke, Prince of Wales, Courageous etc.*
Note : I know some of them are named after heroes and cities, but most of them are named like this.
Don’t forget Dreadnought and Indefatigable!
RN ship names absolutely the best imho
Yeah, the name dreadnought inspired a whole new class of ships. Like your vids btw!
New Justice when your navy is so big you run out of names for ships
The insistence of the Allies, especially the British, that the Germans give up their fleet was one of the points that stuck in the craw of the Germans. It was one of the reasons Germany began to re-arm itself in the 1930's. If that maniac Hitler had not jumped the gun before the German Navy was ready, we might all be speaking German now. As it was, they nearly strangled Europe with a shadow of a fleet at their disposal.
No, they didn't. The U-boat offensive came nowhere near as close to cutting Britain's supply lines in WW2 as it had in 1917. Moreover, German resources were not limitless. Expansion of the navy would need to have been at the expense of the army & Luftwaffe.
The so-called Plan Z was, from start to finish, a mirage.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 Apparently, you had trouble understanding the phrase "before the German navy was ready".
@@garygemmell3488 Not at all. I was simply, evidently, unsuccessfully, trying to explain the reality of the situation. The reconstituted German navy was never intended to challenge the Royal Navy, as German shipbuilding capacity was nowhere near that of Britain.
From Weimar times, the belief had been that any future war in which Germany might become involved would be with Poland, or Poland & France. Thus, Weimar build commissioned commerce raiders, the Deutschlands, intended to intercept French troop convoys. The French responded with the Strasbourgs. The Germans then produced the Scharnhorsts, the French began building the Richelieus, and the Germans the Bismarcks.
In short, it was a naval race between two medium/small naval powers. There was no expectation until 1938 at the earliest that the tiny German navy would ever be asked to challenge the Royal Navy. Raeder was always aware that this was a task totally beyond it.
The German navy in 1939 was as ready as it was ever likely to be. It was, however, totally outmatched, and had been placed in an impossible position.
You should read about the largely forgotten Franco-German naval race, as it is fascinating subject.
I love some Die Internationale to go with my history of the scuttle of the high seas fleet.
Yeah, the switch in music was absolutely perfect. 10/10 choice.
5:52 I love that you played the internationale, as if the mutiny would take the form of a communist revolution. I mean, they do say a warship is it's own isolated society
Funny that the French wanted the German ships, yet in 1940 didn't want to let the British take control of their ships to continue fighting the Germans....so the British sank them in instead.
yes again faulted on there WORDs and killed thousands of French sailors, not in battle. just as anchored in Oran. hypocrites as usual, Churchil a war criminal
I mean at the end of the day france didn't surrender or landless to give British the authority
@@harryeisermann2784 yes
I dont remember Great Britain defeating the french in WW2?
It was a foreign nation that was previously your ally showing up at YOUR PORT and demanding YOUR SAILOR to BREAK THEIR OUTHS to your nation and threaten the just agreed peace treaty with the germans. The french didnt owe the british anything and they slaughtered them.
@@noobster4779 "foreign nation that was previously your ally showing" , you mean Vichy France that was barely considered a Nation as it was literally at the beck and call of Germany.
The UK didn't change sides, France did. As has been discussed many a time, it was the French who had multiple options of keeping that fleet intact, decided to ignore it. The UK gave the French a choice, a choice I doubt the Nazi's would off given in similar circumstances
Now, with the benefit of hindsight, this was a terrible way of dealing with the defeated German Fleet.
Bloody Beatty, showing off even at the end of the war?.
Wolfen443 would’ve made a pretty awesome sight
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