When the British almost sank their own ships - The Battle of Heligoland Bight

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  • Опубликовано: 26 дек 2024

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  • @korben600
    @korben600 3 года назад +512

    The British Empire: No, we cannot identify our own ships. Luckily we have enough ships to overcome that failing.

    • @Septimus_ii
      @Septimus_ii 3 года назад +22

      But the more ships you make, the more friendly fire targets you're providing

    • @jacobrudder7582
      @jacobrudder7582 3 года назад +18

      @@Septimus_ii and so the vicious cycle continues

    • @andrewstackpool4911
      @andrewstackpool4911 3 года назад +4

      Stupid comment; as I have said poor C3 including from the Admiralty over primitive systems inclusing navigational and as shown a poor tactical environment. Tell me. What would you have done.

    • @connoroneill9406
      @connoroneill9406 2 года назад

      @@andrewstackpool4911 are you stupid?

    • @JackDevight
      @JackDevight 2 года назад +8

      @@andrewstackpool4911 use intelligible grammar for one

  • @MrMedievalLord
    @MrMedievalLord 3 года назад +517

    This just goes to show: Sometimes goodenough is just not good enough.

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 3 года назад +24

      Name was changed to itsmeitsme

    • @ericdickison7995
      @ericdickison7995 3 года назад +31

      He redeemed himself at Jutland, his scouting was second to none

    • @nikitaostrovsky8416
      @nikitaostrovsky8416 3 года назад +4

      What a counter-prophecy

    • @boyteebah3794
      @boyteebah3794 3 года назад +4

      from what i heard, goodenough studied to become a clown but was recruited by the RN

    • @warhistory1895
      @warhistory1895 3 года назад +1

      Hey, my joke.

  • @jdotoz
    @jdotoz 2 года назад +67

    Gentlemen, as you know, the objective of this mission is to attack heavy cruisers. I'd like to express my personal gratitude to the Grand Fleet for providing some in the event that the enemy doesn't cooperate.

  • @decentish8546
    @decentish8546 3 года назад +370

    You know things are bad when Beaty is the most competent one present.

    • @jannestiemes4328
      @jannestiemes4328 3 года назад +23

      I thought it went Goodenough
      Padoemtsss

    • @rob5944
      @rob5944 3 года назад +28

      The real criticism lies with the staff officers surely, misdirection and woeful communication, plus a certain degree of arrogance.

    • @pickeljarsforhillary102
      @pickeljarsforhillary102 3 года назад +13

      Captain Mightaswell was present as well as he cousin (twice removed) Surewhynot.

    • @omnipotence8826
      @omnipotence8826 3 года назад

      Beatty*

    • @hmsrenown7801
      @hmsrenown7801 3 года назад +7

      @@omnipotence8826 Fam, you know its him. This isnt grammar school.

  • @keegs1996
    @keegs1996 3 года назад +295

    The Royal Navy's days since last cock up counter has reset to 0

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  3 года назад +155

      'Days since our last nonsense - 0'

    • @Admiral_Jezza
      @Admiral_Jezza 3 года назад +21

      K-Class Submarine Moment

    • @Noah_Levy
      @Noah_Levy 3 года назад +13

      A bit of a happy comedy, compared to Frederik Knudsen's video on the "Battle" of May Island last month. Quality, but utterly maddening.

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 3 года назад +3

      They are now on par with the British Army.

    • @riograndedosulball248
      @riograndedosulball248 3 года назад

      @@Noah_Levy I got unbelievably anxious with that video.
      It's the text example of "but wait, there's more!"

  • @wildewaffle9790
    @wildewaffle9790 3 года назад +653

    “Tyrwhitt ordered 20 destroyers to begin torpedo runs on the light cruiser.”
    World of Warships players: 😳😳😳😳

  • @Hoddevik92
    @Hoddevik92 3 года назад +81

    In Norway we have a expression saying: go to helgoland. It means that you wish someone to go to a remote nasty place and its sounds simular to go to hell in norwegian so its nicer way to tell someone to go to hell.

  • @historigraph
    @historigraph  3 года назад +159

    Today's video has been a great change of pace from the Malaya series, so I hope you enjoyed it. The Malayan campaign will return and conclude later in the summer- so stay tuned!
    If you like my content, please consider supporting on patreon, it makes a world of difference to me: www.patreon.com/historigraph
    Notes and corrections for the video:
    - I misidentified the battlecruiser New Zealand as Australia

    • @joelmontgomery4837
      @joelmontgomery4837 3 года назад +3

      Can we get a short video on the 2nd battle of heligoland bight. As there isnt much content on it.

    • @GeneralThargor
      @GeneralThargor 3 года назад

      confuses Australia with NZ, but they are pretty much the same anyway!

  • @danielorr8070
    @danielorr8070 3 года назад +263

    Hmm, it seems that our ships have trouble communicating with each other, and officers lower down do not speak unless spoken to. I sure hope this doesn't bite us in the ass in a future engagement.

    • @sfs2040
      @sfs2040 3 года назад +16

      Beaty was asked several times by Jellico to give info on the High Seas Fleet but didn't. Otherwise this is hella accurate. 😂

    • @dr.vikyll7466
      @dr.vikyll7466 3 года назад +11

      And they never fixed this! Even in North Africa during WW2 they lost Cyraneica and the Egyptian desert to the DEK and Italians because of this.

    • @andrewstackpool4911
      @andrewstackpool4911 3 года назад +1

      You will find that C4 and the input of officers has changed significantly since then though your comments for then are pretty correct. Ships these days tend to involve input from all levels and training programs are far more sophisticated involving simulators ashore and exercises at sea.

    • @lolasdm6959
      @lolasdm6959 2 года назад +1

      Why have you not informed you were underfire?
      I do not speak unless spoken to.

    • @andrewstackpool4911
      @andrewstackpool4911 Год назад

      @Críostóir Ashtin Negative C3. Command, control, communications.
      Jellucoe had sound command but scattered control (Beatty very dubious) and appalling communications at all levels, including Admiralty. The combination apart generally from Goodenough, failed to give Jellicoe the intelligence he needed.

  • @hmsrenown7801
    @hmsrenown7801 3 года назад +501

    I haven't watched this video yet, but I'm assuming the general thing is that the British are incompetent, and are saved due to the germans thinking that they are playing 4th dimension chess

    • @artanarchist
      @artanarchist 3 года назад +81

      on point

    • @Ronald98
      @Ronald98 3 года назад +38

      spot on mate...

    • @obiwankenobi4252
      @obiwankenobi4252 3 года назад +31

      Yeah, pretty much

    • @DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis
      @DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis 3 года назад +43

      There's a distinct difference between "incompetent" and "almost laughably useless", especially this early in the war I believe it is fair to say that Royal Naval high-ups were steaming smugly towards the latter territory.

    • @PHDarren
      @PHDarren 3 года назад +3

      Add fog for fun.

  • @LordInter
    @LordInter 3 года назад +129

    Germany; "deploy all the cruisers"
    British Empire; "deploy part of that one Squadron, that little one over there"
    this is in reference to the general numbers not so much this one battle

  • @Robert399
    @Robert399 3 года назад +204

    "For the next hour or so, there was a lull in the battle, as the British had run out of friendly ships to attack."
    Edit: Wow the British were lucky. I kept waiting for a British submarine to torpedo one of their battlecruisers.

  • @Alejandro_One_and_Only
    @Alejandro_One_and_Only 3 года назад +51

    keys: i see two cruisers
    goodenough: ok im gonna go help you with my four cruisers
    keys: oh my god now there are six cruisers
    goodenough: damn ill get every ship i have there
    keys: *screaming intensifies*

    • @andrewstackpool4911
      @andrewstackpool4911 3 года назад

      You slander a very professional and competent officer. But I guess Socialist sums it

    • @Luke.Skywodka
      @Luke.Skywodka Год назад +1

      Best comment!

  • @saturnv2419
    @saturnv2419 3 года назад +45

    You know your communication is terrible when Beaty is the one that know the most.

  • @cogidubnus1953
    @cogidubnus1953 3 года назад +32

    You might have imagined Beatty learning from this the paramount importance of close communication between all units, and particularly between forward units and their parent fleets...well, you might have imagined...

  • @sam74mumm
    @sam74mumm 3 года назад +26

    The battle was on edge when Goodenough was ordered to hunt down himself. Luckily he couldn´t find himself xp

  • @untruelie2640
    @untruelie2640 3 года назад +116

    Fun Fact: The Heligoland Bight is called "Deutsche Bucht" (German Bight) in German. However, the german name of this battle is "Seegefecht bei Helgoland" (Sea-Skirmish near Heligoland).

    • @recklessroges
      @recklessroges 3 года назад +5

      The area is also called "German Bite" in the English shipping forecast. www.fatbadgers.co.uk/britain/shipping.htm

    • @Septimus_ii
      @Septimus_ii 3 года назад +2

      The British called it a battle, the Germans called it a Gefecht :D

    • @paprizio1073
      @paprizio1073 Год назад +1

      @@Septimus_ii I'm sure the same can be said about the Indian Ocean raid, or how the Japanese saw it, a "battle" of Ceylon.

  • @benlaskowski357
    @benlaskowski357 3 года назад +83

    The German BCs Seydlitz, Von der Tann, Derfflinger and Moltke were stuck in the Jade Estuary due to low tide during the battle. Had they been able to sail the fight would have been dramatic.

    • @untruelie2640
      @untruelie2640 3 года назад +22

      Yeah, Hipper made the mistake to assume that the whole bight was clear because there was no fog in Wilhelmshaven. When he learned that the opposite was true, the tide was already too low.

    • @benlaskowski357
      @benlaskowski357 3 года назад +1

      @@untruelie2640 😳 Didn't know that!!

    • @andrewstackpool4911
      @andrewstackpool4911 3 года назад +2

      It would have been a precursor to Jutland but I suggest Beatty would have taken the field.

  • @Dylan-lw1xc
    @Dylan-lw1xc 3 года назад +123

    The toughest enemy the Royal Navy faces is often themselves and there own officers.

    • @gaffalstudios3617
      @gaffalstudios3617 3 года назад +13

      thats true for the entire brittish military for ww1 and 2

    • @youraveragescotsman7119
      @youraveragescotsman7119 3 года назад +5

      @@gaffalstudios3617
      It was better in WWII, since I'm pretty sure most Officers had the shit kicked out of them for being dumb.

    • @DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis
      @DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis 3 года назад +2

      Isn't that the same with most militaries? The US, French, German and Italians can't at all claim to be without useless or reckless officers and high ups.

    • @Dylan-lw1xc
      @Dylan-lw1xc 3 года назад

      @@DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis I would say they did have some bad apples by for the most part showed higher competency then Britain in most cases, other than Italy maybe.

    • @gaffalstudios3617
      @gaffalstudios3617 3 года назад +1

      @@DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis In many cases true but in generall it is bafeling how many examples of brittish officers being incompitent there is. Of course every military have some incompititent ones but since the brittish aswell as the french often recruted officers based on social class and not skill (atleast during ww1), you can see the catastrofic effect, with exaples like the battle of the somme where overconfident officers led thier units strait into machinegun traps and as a result the incredidable casualties of the battle.

  • @sfs2040
    @sfs2040 3 года назад +12

    "Yeah that's ok, we don't need the help of the most powerful battleship fleet in history for this. That's ok."

  • @jamiengo2343
    @jamiengo2343 3 года назад +111

    We didn’t exactly have officers the like of Nelson and Collingwood did we.

    • @boobah5643
      @boobah5643 3 года назад +23

      No, you had Beatty. And while he didn't manage to make _this_ battle a disaster, the undeserved reputation he earned here would haunt the Royal Navy for the rest of his career.

    • @PaulfromChicago
      @PaulfromChicago 3 года назад +25

      Jellicoe basically did the impossible at Jutland. However, Churchill had saddled him with Beatty, which made pretty much everything worse.

    • @Banginyermamsince93
      @Banginyermamsince93 3 года назад +12

      When WW1 began our officers spent the last 15 years cleaning and painting their ships

    • @grlt23
      @grlt23 3 года назад +7

      no, but they were Goodenough ;)

    • @jimmymullen3016
      @jimmymullen3016 3 года назад +1

      @@boobah5643 Although with all the action taking place at under 5,000yds and the battlecruiser squadron being so effective here you can kind of see why he placed such importance on rate of fire over accuracy.

  • @notsopointlessblogs9420
    @notsopointlessblogs9420 3 года назад +20

    Imagine being informed about who is in your op? Why would you need that, just shoot at everyone

  • @Warmaster_24
    @Warmaster_24 3 года назад +21

    In all honesty who else loves the artwork that’s put on the thumbnails of each video.

  • @thommunistmanifesto
    @thommunistmanifesto Год назад +1

    I just bought "The great war at sea, naval atlas" and was very confused as to what was going on, made me smile to see that same exact page im looking at on your end screen. Great video, cheers.

  • @xxnightdriverxx9576
    @xxnightdriverxx9576 3 года назад +12

    You are really pumping the videos out at enormous speed now that you are doing this full time. Thank you Historigraph. Your videos are really awesome!

  • @johnlavery3433
    @johnlavery3433 3 года назад +46

    Beaty intensifies

  • @kingofburgundy6323
    @kingofburgundy6323 3 года назад +8

    A topic that I find interesting is the fall of Saigon. And how US personnel and 5,000 south Vietnamese civilians were evacuated while the NVA were fighting in the city itself.

  • @sinnerdegarah1952
    @sinnerdegarah1952 3 года назад +4

    I must have said “thank god” every other minute when friendly fire was avoided or you said survivors were picked up. A extraordinarily lucky and sadly bleak story. Thank you for covering it!

  • @roberthara1603
    @roberthara1603 3 года назад +3

    "The battle's result was Goodenough"
    - British Admiralty (Probably)

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 3 года назад +34

    In other words, another normal day in southern England.

  • @iainmalcolm9583
    @iainmalcolm9583 3 года назад +1

    Great video. Animation & narration spot on.

  • @B61Mod12
    @B61Mod12 3 года назад +2

    That was wholesome, thank you Historiograph and fallen sailors.

  • @thepuncakian2024
    @thepuncakian2024 2 месяца назад

    8:23 This is literally that scene from SpongeBob where SpongeBob is a hall monitor and Patrick is yelling at him over walkie talkie

  • @Dylan-lw1xc
    @Dylan-lw1xc 3 года назад +11

    Have you ever considered do a video with the channel, operations room?

    • @willek1335
      @willek1335 3 года назад +5

      How about they cover a battle together. Each channel provide a point of view from either side of the conflict, but is limited by fog of war. That wound be cool.

    • @Dylan-lw1xc
      @Dylan-lw1xc 3 года назад +2

      @@willek1335 yes like montemayors videos from Japanese POV

  • @dracorex426
    @dracorex426 Год назад +1

    Commodore fucking Goodenough. What a name.

  • @distinctjackal9016
    @distinctjackal9016 2 года назад +1

    Looks like the British forgot to turn friendly fire off

  • @EdungeonLOL
    @EdungeonLOL 3 года назад

    I thought I heard you before and then searched and you were a paradox caster on some streams. Nice to see another work from you man. Good video.

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  3 года назад

      Thanks. Yeah I was the HOI4 community manager until a couple of weeks ago

  • @Dog.soldier1950
    @Dog.soldier1950 3 года назад +10

    Fleet Communication skills suitable for Trafalgar for the 20th century, not so much

  • @redtob2119
    @redtob2119 3 года назад

    you deserve so many more views you’re one of my favourite channels

  • @victoriacyunczyk
    @victoriacyunczyk 3 года назад +7

    The actions of HMS Lurcher show that heroic acts are not only committed in battle, but after as well.

  • @Alex_Guy1011
    @Alex_Guy1011 3 года назад +28

    The largest navy in the world, and couldn't even identify their own ships properly. They would probably hold fire on German ships instead of engaging them too, but i don't blame them. It was World War 1, the weather was poor, the optics weren't as advanced back then, and the crews themselves weren't as experienced. There were also communication problems between the officers and enlisted men.

    • @bensnowden2540
      @bensnowden2540 3 года назад +1

      “But sir! When we have this many ships it’s difficult to know which are ours!” -admiralty probably

    • @DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis
      @DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis 3 года назад +2

      Modern weaponry and battle weapon technology let down by Napoleonic era limitations and training. Thank God we had Jackie Fisher in charge of the admiralty for a few years before the start of the war.

    • @JTA1961
      @JTA1961 3 года назад

      Upstairs / Downstairs & all that.

    • @looinrims
      @looinrims 3 года назад

      There’s no excuse for involved units to not be given the full plan and belligerents of an operation they’re supposed to conduct

  • @QurikyBark32919
    @QurikyBark32919 2 года назад +1

    The last name ‘goodenough’ is the most British thing I’ve ever seen.

  • @regidelthegeneralthatzappe4469
    @regidelthegeneralthatzappe4469 3 года назад +1

    Amazing content as always.

  • @miguelmontenegro3520
    @miguelmontenegro3520 3 года назад +7

    How are your commanding skills?
    You know? They're Goodenough

  • @Will_CH1
    @Will_CH1 3 года назад +3

    "Respectfully submitt that i may be supported. Am hard pressed."

  • @--Dani
    @--Dani 3 года назад +1

    Excellent content as always 👍

  • @keiranallcott1515
    @keiranallcott1515 3 года назад +6

    I think you’ll find that hmas Australia was actually operating in the pacific at that time, HMS New Zealand did participate in the battle

    • @andrewstackpool4911
      @andrewstackpool4911 3 года назад

      No, Australia was with the bc fleet. She missed Jutland as she was in drydock.

    • @keiranallcott1515
      @keiranallcott1515 3 года назад +1

      @@andrewstackpool4911 you are aware that this is about the battle of heligoland bite .?, not the battle of Jutland , hmas Australian was in dry dock at the time of Jutland as she had a collision with New Zealand

    • @keiranallcott1515
      @keiranallcott1515 3 года назад +1

      And hmas Australian was operating at the beginning of 1914 in the pacific , mainly off Rabaul and the Solomons after the occupation of German New Guinea and in response to the German pacific fleet escaping from Tsingtao to Germany

    • @keiranallcott1515
      @keiranallcott1515 3 года назад

      And she didn’t arrive in England until December 1914

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory 3 года назад +1

    Great video. Really enjoyed it

  • @lordofvapor9476
    @lordofvapor9476 3 года назад +1

    I just found your channel today and you upload how great

  • @month32
    @month32 2 года назад +1

    Repeat after me kids!
    "Light Cruisers are made of Citadels!"

  • @mafiousbj
    @mafiousbj 3 года назад +2

    I wonder how many jokes Commodore Goodenough had throughout his career...I bet even his wife mocked him with a name like that ^^

  • @neilwilson5785
    @neilwilson5785 3 года назад +5

    A naval world without radar or efficient air recce. what a nightmare. The radios were not great either.

    • @centurymemes1208
      @centurymemes1208 10 месяцев назад

      i love it. its all about luck and intelligence. radar made things boring af

  • @geordiedog1749
    @geordiedog1749 3 года назад +1

    Great video. Keep it up!!

  • @Tuning3434
    @Tuning3434 2 года назад +3

    Pretty sure it was HMS New Zealand instead of HMAS Australia: the latter was stationed in the South East in the latter half of 1914 (to Spee's chagrin), while HMS New Zealand together with HMS Lion was host to a Tsar party in June 1914 in the Baltic.
    Nevertheless, great video. I was just reading up on this action in 'Castles of Steel' by Massie last night and was interested to get a bit of a visual overview. Unfortunately records of positions where spotty due to mist and the fact all units where forced to depend on depend on '3 days worth of dead reckoning'.

  • @johne7100
    @johne7100 Год назад

    Poor and negligent communication seems to have been a hallmark of British operations: witness the scuttling of the German High Seas Fleet when Fremantle didn't bother telling the German commander that the deadline for handing over his ships, preferring to go for a cruise instead.

  • @rob5944
    @rob5944 3 года назад +1

    One battle in which Beatty gave a good a account of himself it seems.

  • @rob5944
    @rob5944 3 года назад +2

    Beatty did rather well I think, this is in contrast to his perceived performance at Jutland. Perhaps the above account illustrates how much the fog of war can affect events and that we should not judge anything or anyone too harshly (particularly when analysing matters that happened long ago). What is clear however is the splendid performance of the British battle cruisers when they are used in the way in which their design intended.

  • @jere9maz
    @jere9maz 3 года назад

    been looking forward all week!

  • @angusdeadman6425
    @angusdeadman6425 3 года назад

    Another amazing video! Keep it up

  • @williaml.
    @williaml. 3 года назад

    Amazing vid as always !

  • @ELCADAROSA
    @ELCADAROSA 3 года назад +22

    What happened to the subs? It was established they weren’t in contact with the surface fleet, and therefore would not have received the “Retire” order, so ... 🤔

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  3 года назад +36

      They'll have had certain times to stay on station until before returning to base

    • @ELCADAROSA
      @ELCADAROSA 3 года назад +4

      @@historigraph, thank you for the explanation.

  • @stevenjelinek5716
    @stevenjelinek5716 4 месяца назад

    The amount of times in your videos I’ve heard you say “amazingly, the British didn’t communicate this to _____” is uncanny.

  • @momchilandonov
    @momchilandonov 2 года назад

    12:12 funny pronunciation of Koln :D. It's more like Kyoln.

  • @davidwolfberg8453
    @davidwolfberg8453 3 года назад +1

    9:11 Task failed successfully

  • @zetectic7968
    @zetectic7968 3 года назад

    Very interesting & highlights the lack of co-ordination. Bristish submarines,mostly just observing.
    Btw Tyrwhitt has a silent W.

  • @bloodrave9578
    @bloodrave9578 3 года назад +14

    You'd think the Royal Navy would fix the shortfall in communication exposed here by Jutland nearly 2 years later.
    They didn't, what's it with Beatty and fiascos?

    • @untruelie2640
      @untruelie2640 3 года назад +4

      The crazy thing is that Beatty wasn't really the incompetent one here. Shocking, I know.

    • @EdMcF1
      @EdMcF1 3 года назад

      It took the Admiralty over 50 years (IIRC longer) to get the benefits of lime juice.

    • @user-sc9oy1kz8g
      @user-sc9oy1kz8g 3 года назад

      @@EdMcF1 To be fair they didnt have the scientific knowledge we have today and it was less thsn obvious. The lemon juice didnt keep its anti scurvy juice forever and on top of that sailors would still get scurvy after a certain point. They were also misled because seal meat also stopped scurvy so all they saw was sailors not drinking lemon yet still not getting scurvy on the long Arctic voyages. Easy to be confused.

  • @20mmGamer
    @20mmGamer 3 года назад

    Kia ora. Ngā mihi, thanks for the video. One thing, I'm pretty sure one of the Battle Cruisers was HMS New Zealand, not the Australia. Cheers, Nick.

  • @Mika-ph6ku
    @Mika-ph6ku Год назад +1

    Commodore Goodenough huh...

  • @teuntjerk1008
    @teuntjerk1008 3 года назад +8

    Collab with Mark felton?

    • @skoniramont
      @skoniramont 3 года назад +8

      and Drachinifel and Operations Room

  • @Hollows1997
    @Hollows1997 3 года назад

    A textbook definition of the phrase cake and arse party.

  • @boireally8042
    @boireally8042 3 года назад +1

    Good vid I really like the world war 1 content

  • @thewingedporpoise
    @thewingedporpoise 3 года назад +1

    Commodore William Goodenough??? why hasn't a ship been named after him

  • @KiljiArslan
    @KiljiArslan 8 месяцев назад

    Have you thought of creating a playlist for WW1?

  • @MatsLM
    @MatsLM 3 года назад +1

    I wasn’t expecting miscommunication from the British.

    • @untruelie2640
      @untruelie2640 3 года назад +1

      Come again, old chap?

    • @MatsLM
      @MatsLM 3 года назад +1

      @@untruelie2640 I was expecting some communication but not that much with the British, since they’ve had 100 - 200 + years of Naval Dominance, it’s kind of embarrassing in a way.

    • @untruelie2640
      @untruelie2640 3 года назад +1

      @@MatsLM That was a joke. Miscommunication - "Come again" - Do you get it?

    • @MatsLM
      @MatsLM 3 года назад +1

      @@untruelie2640 OOHHHH I get it

    • @untruelie2640
      @untruelie2640 3 года назад +2

      @@MatsLM "Sorry Humphrey, I can't hear your radio transmission over the sound of our magnificent navy ruling the seas."

  • @lonelychameleon3595
    @lonelychameleon3595 3 года назад +1

    Goodenough wasn’t a great commander, but he was good enough

  • @davidlees2963
    @davidlees2963 3 года назад

    HMAS Australia was in the Pacific at this time looking for the German Far Eastern squadron (which ended up being sunk at the Battle of the Falklands). HMS New Zealand was in Force K.

  • @sode07
    @sode07 3 года назад +1

    Diffrent music POG

  • @Korporaal1
    @Korporaal1 2 дня назад

    The title says 'When the British almost sank their own ships...' But apparently some light cruisers were chasing themselves! And didn't know it!
    Dashing initiative and flair the Royal Navy had; but command and control were sorely missing.

  • @Matakshaman
    @Matakshaman 3 года назад +1

    Could you please cover the 1676 Battle of Öland? :D

  • @brianspendelow840
    @brianspendelow840 3 года назад +3

    The battlecruiser HMAS Australia was not present at this battle. You're thinking of her sister ship HMS New Zealand who definitely was.

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  3 года назад +3

      Weird. It looks like you are right - not one but two of the sources I used appear to have written the wrong ship

    • @NM-wd7kx
      @NM-wd7kx 3 года назад +1

      @@historigraph is she an 'Australia class' ship perhaps?

    • @Dave_Sisson
      @Dave_Sisson 3 года назад +1

      I was wondering how HMAS Australia could be in the North Sea so quickly after its presence in its home country scared the German East Asia Squadron to try and get home via Cape Horn rather than the quicker route to the south west. Shortly after that they won the Battle of Coronel off the coast of Chile and then lost the Battle of the Falklands. So I suspect the battlecruiser at Heligoland might have been HMS New Zealand.

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  3 года назад +2

      @@Dave_Sisson Yeah it emphatically was New Zealand. I've checked now and for some reason I have written Australia in my notes, and I can't work out why

    • @rickkennett3192
      @rickkennett3192 3 года назад +1

      @@historigraph Australia ... New Zealand. Not to worry. All those colonials look alike.

  • @mikeotero9838
    @mikeotero9838 2 года назад

    Thanks!

  • @Marinealver
    @Marinealver 3 года назад

    Funny thing is I don't remember this in The Great War Series.
    I am going to have to look it up.

  • @Cloud7050
    @Cloud7050 3 года назад

    8:13 I thought Keyes didn't know of the Battlecruisers up north either? How did he know to turn noth into their safe cover?

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  3 года назад +1

      There were two battlecruiser who he did know would be there, but was unaware of the additional ships Beatty had brought

    • @Cloud7050
      @Cloud7050 3 года назад

      ​@@historigraph Ah thanks, I see. I got the impression that he was still entirely unaware of the backup coming from the north, unlike the others who found out earlier.

  • @izab3ru
    @izab3ru 3 года назад +2

    We do a little miscommunication.

  • @catholicmilitantUSA
    @catholicmilitantUSA Год назад

    Hi Historiograph love your videos! Listen are you sure HMAS Australia was in the North Sea? Wiki says she was in the Pacific. Maybe you made a mistake?

  • @grugbug4313
    @grugbug4313 3 года назад +1

    Solid!
    Top KEK!

  • @erikjohansson4275
    @erikjohansson4275 3 года назад +1

    I want more about the war against japan during ww2.

  • @ScreechingPossum
    @ScreechingPossum 3 года назад +1

    All of these years, and the assumption shows from the History Channel had us believe was the Jutland was the *only* duel between the British and German fleets in the North Sea
    These videos are *MUCH* appreciated

  • @Speedster___
    @Speedster___ 3 года назад

    Would you consider doing more pacific USS IJN battles such as Samar etc and the Bismarck as I can’t find anything with your details. Half of them don’t even mention Suffolk and Norfolk.
    But Battle off Samar is my clear 1st choice

  • @murataubakir8437
    @murataubakir8437 3 года назад

    It'd be cool if you covered the eastern front more😀✌ great video btw

    • @historigraph
      @historigraph  3 года назад

      Planning some eastern front content in the autumn

  • @dad2827
    @dad2827 3 года назад

    They are just testing their Friendly fire

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ 3 года назад

    Great stuff!

  • @toplobster740
    @toplobster740 3 года назад +4

    The last time I was this early there was no British navy.

  • @NeoZondix
    @NeoZondix 3 года назад +1

    This is gonna be epic

  • @beachboy0505
    @beachboy0505 3 года назад

    Great video 📹

  • @OceanHedgehog
    @OceanHedgehog 3 года назад +83

    British communication and intelligence during WWI was atrocious.

    • @Marinealver
      @Marinealver 3 года назад +8

      I say chap, why are we not having Tea and Biscuits in Berlin by now? You need to whip up those lazy lads and get them moving. I got medals to give out, most of them to myself. 🐴🦁🦁🦁🦁🦁

    • @Th0ughtf0rce
      @Th0ughtf0rce 3 года назад +1

      Imagine if Jutland were a match in World of Warships. The chat would have been a glorious trainwreck.

    • @riograndedosulball248
      @riograndedosulball248 3 года назад +2

      @@Th0ughtf0rce "what do you mean the Germans turned around? They cannot possibly engage so fast..."

    • @Th0ughtf0rce
      @Th0ughtf0rce 3 года назад +1

      @@riograndedosulball248
      SMS VON DER TANN =>/ HMS INDEFATIGABLE
      Hipper: rekt :)
      Beatty: f u
      SMS DERFFLINGER =>/ HMS QUEEN MARY
      Hipper: LOL. Nub
      Beatty: cheater
      Beatty: “Need backup!”
      Evan-Thomas: “Affirmative!”
      Jellicoe: “Affirmative!”
      Jellicoe: where?
      Beatty: “Need backup!”
      Jellicoe: where?
      Beatty: “Need backup!”
      Beatty: “Need backup!”
      Beatty: “Need backup!”
      Jellicoe: bruh…
      Evan-Thomas: how dafuq you got to this tier?!

    • @s.31.l50
      @s.31.l50 3 года назад +7

      Communication was indeed bad, but intelligence was frankly brilliant. Read up on room 40 🙂

  • @philipeanthonybattung3860
    @philipeanthonybattung3860 3 года назад

    Does anyone know what the music was in the beginning. I have been searching for it for a year.

  • @richardcharay7788
    @richardcharay7788 3 года назад

    Enjoyed!

  • @ricksturdevant2901
    @ricksturdevant2901 2 года назад

    Great story 👏 👌 👍

  • @coffeeandchill2788
    @coffeeandchill2788 3 года назад

    that mf really was named "good enough"