Giroux was always overshadowed by Crosby and Ovi in that area but hes been 1 of the best players most of his career him being overshadowed will hurt his chances he should definitely get in imo but with no personal accodolades its definitely easier to argue he wont get it
@@tegridy27 And how many HoF's were never top 10 players? Captain America is a shoe in for the US Hockey HoF and borderline leaning towards Hockey HoF... His production has been amazing for nearly 20 years.
IMO, if Brad is in the HOF, then so should Phil. Brad's peak is slightly better with a high PPG and a better all round player, but from 2010-2016 Phil was a top 10-15 player while Brad was barely cracking 60 points. Phil's prime (2012-2016) was also during a lower scoring era compared to Brad's (2017-2021) and with the cups as well, I believe Phil should be in.
You could argue that pavelski has still been in his prime. He’s winding down a bit this year but his #1 and #4 highest scoring seasons were both in Dallas and he was on a tare in the COVID shortened season and represented the stars at the all star game that year.
I say all these people are in except for Letang, Hellebuyck and Pietrangelo. Don't have the hardware or necessarily the stats or longevity. Matthews, Makar, Bobrovsky, Draisaitl and Perry are first ballot HOF'ERS. Pavelski, Marchand, Josi, Kessel, Giroux and Backstrom will get in as well but not first ballot maybe 4-5 years after retirement instead. I always think if the Bruins were to have won game 7 in 2019 for the cup then it would obviously be 2 cups for marchand but also I feel like he would''ve been the conn smythe winner too if game 7 and the cup went to them instead of the Blues
You forget that international achievements are MASSIVE for getting into the Hall of Fame, so yesh Oerry has a cup, Hart and Richard but he also has 2 olympic golds, a world cup and world championship gold. International serial winner, hes a Hall of Famer.
How about John Carlson does he have a chance? Will probably finish with over 800 points, won the cup as the clear number 1 D of his team, came very close to a Norris at least once, and was a top 5/10 dman for many years consistently.
Not mentioning national hockey for these players doesn’t make sense as I always was under the impression that counts towards the hockey hall of fame (not the nhl Hal or fame). Giroux, Pavelski and Backstrom all have decorated national hockey careers as well as their NHL success.
@@father042duh, that’s what he’s saying is that he is basically already done so there was no point in putting him in a video about people if they were “theoretically” to retire now
Coming from a caps fan I respect your pov on backstrom but ovi would be nowhere close to where he is today without backstrom feeding passes. Backstrom has all those assists cause they went to ovi. If ovi gets in so does backstrom. I might be exaggerating a bit but yk what I mean
exactly man i mean i hate it how when people say crosby makes other players better (which is very true) they fail to mention that ovi doesn't that too. It shows how ignorant some people really are. Ovi and his leadership is exactly why kuznetsov, backstrom, wilson, carlson, Green, etc became stars@@Kcman1827
Panarin might be tough because he came over so late but as long as he can get to 1,050-1,100 points he should be good, Fox another 3-4 top 5 defenseman seasons and then yes and Igor needs a 2nd Vezina or go north of 350 wins to make it.
You aren’t even making comments about them playing internationally or in World Juniors, which is also a factor to be in the Hockey Hall of Fame, NOT NHL HALL OF FAME..
Giroux will finish his career with 1200 points hes right now second in faceoff% among active players hes number 77 in all time points will be in top 60 is better than kopitar letang bäckström or malking hes best teamate was voracek malking had crosby 100% hall of famer
@@mcj44 Giroux has more points than bäckström and better point per game than kopitar While having the worst team mates out of the 3 Giroux is hall of famer so is kopitar bäckström is not
I get your point, I think he can easily make it. But bringing Malkin into this is just wrong. Malkin had the most points on two of the three cup wins of the penguins and a hart, an art ross and a Conn Smythe (could've been two). No comparison. I'd put him above Backstrom though.
@@nightrain9288 malkin played with crosby and overall much better team than giroux also have you seen girouxs career face of% better than any other active future hall of famer
Toews is my least favorite player currently not retired in the nhl. Met him more than once in manitoba and he was an ass each time. Very snobby. So I hope he never makes its.
@@Spilia4kinda hard to argue with a Calder, could win the Norris this year or at least a finalist so that’s 3 finalists, plus a Norris, conn smythe and a cup. I get the whole he hasn’t played long enough thing, but pretty sure there are Dmen in the hall with less hardware.
Burns, Letang, Kopitar, Quick not getting in. You’re overestimating the amount of people that will go in the hall. It’s not like the NBA, only the absolute best of the best get in. Locks right now are Crosby Ovi Malkin Kuch mcdavid. Makar and Matthews if they continue this trajectory.
Letang and Quick I could see not getting in but Burns with a Norris and 871 points as well as Kopitar 2x Cup 2x Selke and 1,194 points is easily getting in
I agree giroux is a no now, but he will get in. Giroux also should have won the hart instead of Hall, giroux carried Philly was second in scoring and he didn’t even get a top 3 finish. If Philly was a a better team and had more than just giroux and voracek he would have had way more points. Philly held him back and his legacy pays for it. Marchand was also not better than Giroux, Marchand just had a better supporting cast
@@pipoj5 I agree I just think he suffers from not having as good of a supporting cast as those players, giroux was the Philadelphia flyers where as those other players were surrounded by very good teams
Ahhhhh I still think Hall was the right call, he outscored 2nd on his team by 41 and he played 6 less games than Hischier. That Flyers team had FAR more talent and only finished with 1 more point than the Devils.
@@MikeBartner that’s true, however a big reason why the flyers finished with just one more point was goaltending. Schneider was still good, not his best but he was still good and people forget that Kincaid had a very good season while phillys goaltending was so inconsistent all year and then it costed them big time in the playoffs. I think that was the year they had 8 different goalies. Giroux at age 30 with bad goaltending, sus defense and no offensive depth put up 102 points only behind Mcdavid for league lead. It’s just crazy to me that he wasn’t even a finalist
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Giroux was always overshadowed by Crosby and Ovi in that area but hes been 1 of the best players most of his career him being overshadowed will hurt his chances he should definitely get in imo but with no personal accodolades its definitely easier to argue he wont get it
I think Pavelski's play in the playoffs really push him justtt over the top to be in the hall personally
Hall of really good. Dude was never a top 10 player in the league 😂
If the Stars win a cup with him agreed
@@tegridy27 And how many HoF's were never top 10 players?
Captain America is a shoe in for the US Hockey HoF and borderline leaning towards Hockey HoF... His production has been amazing for nearly 20 years.
@@heathclark318 “Shoe in” 😂😂😂
IMO, if Brad is in the HOF, then so should Phil. Brad's peak is slightly better with a high PPG and a better all round player, but from 2010-2016 Phil was a top 10-15 player while Brad was barely cracking 60 points. Phil's prime (2012-2016) was also during a lower scoring era compared to Brad's (2017-2021) and with the cups as well, I believe Phil should be in.
Ik you factor prime heavily, but Phil's prime is pretty close to Brad's and factoring in the overall career too, Phil is HOF if Brad is
You could argue that pavelski has still been in his prime. He’s winding down a bit this year but his #1 and #4 highest scoring seasons were both in Dallas and he was on a tare in the COVID shortened season and represented the stars at the all star game that year.
Ik he’s not currently playing but what do you think of Eric staals case for the hof?
do you factor in international play at all?
Not too much honestly, slight additives.
@@MikeBartnerit’s the hockey hall of fame not the nhl hall of fame
@@MikeBartnerlove you but that’s a bad take. National hockey has always mattered for the hockey hall of fame.😅
Mr Bartner, please save the stach and maybe, maybe... shave it off when the playoff is finished.
I say all these people are in except for Letang, Hellebuyck and Pietrangelo. Don't have the hardware or necessarily the stats or longevity. Matthews, Makar, Bobrovsky, Draisaitl and Perry are first ballot HOF'ERS. Pavelski, Marchand, Josi, Kessel, Giroux and Backstrom will get in as well but not first ballot maybe 4-5 years after retirement instead. I always think if the Bruins were to have won game 7 in 2019 for the cup then it would obviously be 2 cups for marchand but also I feel like he would''ve been the conn smythe winner too if game 7 and the cup went to them instead of the Blues
You forget that international achievements are MASSIVE for getting into the Hall of Fame, so yesh Oerry has a cup, Hart and Richard but he also has 2 olympic golds, a world cup and world championship gold. International serial winner, hes a Hall of Famer.
How about John Carlson does he have a chance? Will probably finish with over 800 points, won the cup as the clear number 1 D of his team, came very close to a Norris at least once, and was a top 5/10 dman for many years consistently.
Even has that legendary gold medal winning goal for USA
Was about to mention that OT snipe against Canada at the WJC..
What are your thoughts on John Tavares’ hall of fame candidacy currently?
Kessel has cup rings wtf are you talking about no to mention his iron man steak
What do you think about Pastrnak?
Right now no, in 2-3 years yes.
Do you think Quinn Hughes and Petey eventually make it?
3 cups and the iron man streak only drinking Pepsi and eating hotdogs is almost enough to get him in the HOF.
Not mentioning national hockey for these players doesn’t make sense as I always was under the impression that counts towards the hockey hall of fame (not the nhl Hal or fame). Giroux, Pavelski and Backstrom all have decorated national hockey careers as well as their NHL success.
What about Price ?
Yes, just didn't do him because he's inactive right now on LTIR
@@MikeBartner He will almost definitely never play again
@@father042duh, that’s what he’s saying is that he is basically already done so there was no point in putting him in a video about people if they were “theoretically” to retire now
Coming from a caps fan I respect your pov on backstrom but ovi would be nowhere close to where he is today without backstrom feeding passes. Backstrom has all those assists cause they went to ovi. If ovi gets in so does backstrom. I might be exaggerating a bit but yk what I mean
but also backstrom wouldn't be where he is without ovi right? Both Ovi and backstrom make players around them better in their own ways
@@ethanparker7900 basically yeah
exactly man i mean i hate it how when people say crosby makes other players better (which is very true) they fail to mention that ovi doesn't that too. It shows how ignorant some people really are. Ovi and his leadership is exactly why kuznetsov, backstrom, wilson, carlson, Green, etc became stars@@Kcman1827
If Marchand is a hall of famer they should let in Pat Verbeek first
What do you think about Panarin, Fox and Igor?
Panarin might be tough because he came over so late but as long as he can get to 1,050-1,100 points he should be good, Fox another 3-4 top 5 defenseman seasons and then yes and Igor needs a 2nd Vezina or go north of 350 wins to make it.
Pastrňák?
You aren’t even making comments about them playing internationally or in World Juniors, which is also a factor to be in the Hockey Hall of Fame, NOT NHL HALL OF FAME..
International play should play a major factor, it's just small additives considering some guys are born in countries that don't have a shot to win it.
@@MikeBartner ahh yes okay
Do you think John Tavares is a HOF?
What about Eric Staal
Giroux will finish his career with 1200 points hes right now second in faceoff% among active players hes number 77 in all time points will be in top 60 is better than kopitar letang bäckström or malking hes best teamate was voracek malking had crosby 100% hall of famer
Kopitar - two selkes, two cups, two byngs, messier, 1k points
Backstrom - 1k points, cup
Letang - 3 cups, Norris finalist
Malkin - 1.3k points, 3 cups, 2 Ross, Calder, conn, hart, Lindsay
😂😂😂😂😂
@@mcj44 Giroux has more points than bäckström and better point per game than kopitar While having the worst team mates out of the 3 Giroux is hall of famer so is kopitar bäckström is not
@@pipoj5 If giroux gets in, backstrom does too. They value cups.
I get your point, I think he can easily make it. But bringing Malkin into this is just wrong. Malkin had the most points on two of the three cup wins of the penguins and a hart, an art ross and a Conn Smythe (could've been two). No comparison. I'd put him above Backstrom though.
@@nightrain9288 malkin played with crosby and overall much better team than giroux also have you seen girouxs career face of% better than any other active future hall of famer
Feel like Toews was a big one you missed
Didn't do him because he's not on a team right now, obviously he's LOCK.
Toews is my least favorite player currently not retired in the nhl. Met him more than once in manitoba and he was an ass each time. Very snobby. So I hope he never makes its.
personal behavior has nothing to do with his talent and chances of getting in@@Serenessl1994
What about Auston Matthews
Watch the video!
IMO, Makar is already a Hall of Famer. After this season, hes a lock
Yep just an insane prime
Bro he’s only played 299 games, calm down.
Like I want to agree with you but the guys been in the league for 5 years let's relax a bit lol
@@Spilia4kinda hard to argue with a Calder, could win the Norris this year or at least a finalist so that’s 3 finalists, plus a Norris, conn smythe and a cup. I get the whole he hasn’t played long enough thing, but pretty sure there are Dmen in the hall with less hardware.
Burns, Letang, Kopitar, Quick not getting in. You’re overestimating the amount of people that will go in the hall. It’s not like the NBA, only the absolute best of the best get in. Locks right now are Crosby Ovi Malkin Kuch mcdavid. Makar and Matthews if they continue this trajectory.
Letang and Quick I could see not getting in but Burns with a Norris and 871 points as well as Kopitar 2x Cup 2x Selke and 1,194 points is easily getting in
@@MikeBartner Fair enough man guess we’ll just have to wait and see eh. Love the videos on here and tiktok keep it up.
Quick will definitely get in the hall for his insane 2012 run and for being the best US born goalie of all time
Pietrangelo not a HHOF Letang Is. Neither have a Norris. Petro could win another cup 🧐
Letang 120 more points in only 57 more games tho...
I agree giroux is a no now, but he will get in. Giroux also should have won the hart instead of Hall, giroux carried Philly was second in scoring and he didn’t even get a top 3 finish. If Philly was a a better team and had more than just giroux and voracek he would have had way more points. Philly held him back and his legacy pays for it. Marchand was also not better than Giroux, Marchand just had a better supporting cast
Giroux is 100% hall of famer he is better than kopitar and bäckström
@@pipoj5 I agree I just think he suffers from not having as good of a supporting cast as those players, giroux was the Philadelphia flyers where as those other players were surrounded by very good teams
Ahhhhh I still think Hall was the right call, he outscored 2nd on his team by 41 and he played 6 less games than Hischier. That Flyers team had FAR more talent and only finished with 1 more point than the Devils.
@@MikeBartner that’s true, however a big reason why the flyers finished with just one more point was goaltending. Schneider was still good, not his best but he was still good and people forget that Kincaid had a very good season while phillys goaltending was so inconsistent all year and then it costed them big time in the playoffs. I think that was the year they had 8 different goalies. Giroux at age 30 with bad goaltending, sus defense and no offensive depth put up 102 points only behind Mcdavid for league lead. It’s just crazy to me that he wasn’t even a finalist
Letang Hall of Famer🤣