I own the lower trim Ariya and love it. Range was the biggest concern when shopping for an EV. I get 485 mile range on a full charge in the summer and 311 in the winter.
Those are incredible numbers! Good call on the lower trim package. Do you drive highway or back roads for that kind of mileage? -20 weather or milder temps?
@@livewirereview I was shocked by the numbers too! I live in upstate NY so winters can be harsh. I mainly drive city and highway. Its in Eco all the time, e-Pedal step on and I drive in B mode for the regen braking (tip from another RUclipsr).
That's excellent! We took the short range in the winter rated for 350km and only got 295km. It's a great car, we're a little surprised to have 2 in stock right now at our Nissan store.
Excellent reasoning! I always look at how fast a car can charge when on the road. Check out our latest IONIQ 6 review, it charges in 18 min and goes almost 600km!
??? can someone confirm that the IONIQ 5 can't charge at 11KW on Level 2 charging here in the United States, I'm hearing that it's only possible for those who have 3-Phase power supply in your home's electrical panel, which most homes can't handle without a major upgrade, costing upwards of 4,000 in many cases:
@flolou8496 Yes, the Ioniq 5 can charge at 11kw in US and Canada. It's in European countries where they receive 3 phase power to their homes. They only use 3 phase power in commercial and industrial places here.
@@livewirereview That's what I thought, but this recent review of a 2023 KIA NERO, here in the USA said, his level 2 charging chord would not charge at 11KW and he said he was told it was because he did not have 3 Phase Power, which sounds hard to believe, otherwise it would be heard of more from the KIA-Hyandai ecosystem, I would think,
@flolou8496 A Kia Niro charges at 7.2kw anyway. It's not the same charger. The Ioniq 5 has a larger capacity charger, BUT they've been having issues with these, and the software update throttles back power when there is high heat detected.
@@livewirereview I'm not sure where you live, but I don't live in a cold climate compared to the East Coast, however I am forced to charge outdoors at night in temps from December 15th to Feb 15th where it's in the mid 40's on average from 10PM to 6AM. Anyway I bring this up because the 2023 model added the ''heat pump'' as standard, and was wondering if that could have in any way a benefit when charging/while parked overnight on Level 2 charging, (as I understand the answer would be NO because it's primary or maybe only use is for faster Level 3 DC charging efficiency, but just thought I'de ask anyway) P.S. I have no garage, just a driveway, that's very common still in the SouthWest.
@@flolou8496 No change for that scenario. The heat pump is for interior climate while driving. The battery has a heater inside that only comes on when needed and charging on a level 2 EVSE.
That's crazy yet cool that all 3 have notably different battery sizes, YET, very similar ranges in the winter. Can you explain the different cooling / heating systems and how they work, basically?
Yes of course! The Ioniq 5 will draw any small amount of heat created by using a/c in reverse to transfer and amplify the heat to a useable level in the cabin. Because it draws from the liquid cooling system around the battery, inverters, charger, motors, etc... it has a lot of small sources of heat. The Ariya uses a more basic heat pump that draws from an air to air condenser (evaporator in this case for heating) and is limited in how much heat can be drawn from cold air flowing over it. Therefore it is limited to around -10 in most cases with the resistive heater making up for when the heat pump is lacking in output. The Mach-E has none of these and strictly uses a high powered element like a hair dryer in your home to create heat. This uses a lot of energy.
So mileage is equal in very cold weather, but no mention of mileage in spring summer fall weather. I’d assume the higher battery capacity would offer advantages here in the bulk of the weather we experience, all other things being equal, ie tire sizes , AWD , etc.
Ariya for sure! I have one myself. 5th Nissan in the family now and this is just breathtaking built. Why its in stock? Cause it’s goddam $$$ lol But the range is the best for E-SUV , comparative to Model Y.
Design wise yeah, but the hyundai ioniq 5 will win just by a hair because the ioniq small frunk is better than nothing but the main thing that beats the Ariya is the charging speed, 10-80% in 18 min is the greatest thing ever
I appreciate your observations and preferences. The Mustang has s-l-o-w DCFC, but I do like its BlueCruise. The Ariya does not have one-pedal driving all the way down to a complete stop. Since we do not have kids at home anymore, my wife and I would thus opt for the Ioniq 5, but in the Limited edition with AWD. Sooner or later, Hyundai will figure out how to adapt to NACS, I have no doubt.
I would also choose the Hyundai and I believe the engineers are working on adapting to the Tesla network as we speak. Once all the automakers join this network then every EV will be able to get across the country with ease. We recently took a trip to PEI, (ruclips.net/video/ugSK5Jr_Weg/видео.html) and it was very easy with the Tesla network as a backup when going through the Eastern provinces. I also agree with your one pedal observation. I found the one pedal driving in these vehicles hard to get used to despite the fact that I use it everyday in the model 3. I find that the accelerator pedal is "loose", not the best word but it describes why it feels awkward. Especially in the Mach E. The Tesla products have a stiff pedal which makes it easier to rest your foot in one place and have better control over deceleration rate. I look forward to hearing when you finally receive your Ioniq 5! Thanks for the comments. :-)
Ariya in one pedal driving does not come to a complete stop for a reason. There have been issues with break pedals sticking ( all vehicles)because of not being used with the traditional one pedal driving. Nissan now forces you to press on the break for the complete stop preventing the pedal stick issue. I think this is genius.
I own the lower trim Ariya and love it. Range was the biggest concern when shopping for an EV. I get 485 mile range on a full charge in the summer and 311 in the winter.
Those are incredible numbers! Good call on the lower trim package. Do you drive highway or back roads for that kind of mileage? -20 weather or milder temps?
@@livewirereview I was shocked by the numbers too! I live in upstate NY so winters can be harsh. I mainly drive city and highway. Its in Eco all the time, e-Pedal step on and I drive in B mode for the regen braking (tip from another RUclipsr).
That's excellent! We took the short range in the winter rated for 350km and only got 295km. It's a great car, we're a little surprised to have 2 in stock right now at our Nissan store.
@@livewirereview Yep. My local Nissan dealership has two in stock as well. No one seems to want them.
you mean 485 km? 485 mile is like 900km range lol
You should run a cold weather convoy style range test for these vehicles
One day we will! The Ioniqs never stay here long enough. They sell within 15 minutes sometimes.
Add in the base version of the Cadillac Lyriq and things get even more interesting.
We will try to get our hands on one. Great idea!
I have the Ioniq and for me the charging speed was the main factor because I live in rent and I don't have a home charger
Excellent reasoning! I always look at how fast a car can charge when on the road. Check out our latest IONIQ 6 review, it charges in 18 min and goes almost 600km!
Are you concerned at all with repeated fasting charging and long term battery health? Not a concern I suppose if you lease
Nissan Ariya has version w dual motor AWD same performance and most features as Platinum here for $7000 less 😊
That's definitely the one to buy! The Engage was already loaded to begin with.
??? can someone confirm that the IONIQ 5 can't charge at 11KW on Level 2 charging here in the United States, I'm hearing that it's only possible
for those who have 3-Phase power supply in your home's electrical panel, which most homes can't handle without a major upgrade, costing upwards of
4,000 in many cases:
@flolou8496 Yes, the Ioniq 5 can charge at 11kw in US and Canada. It's in European countries where they receive 3 phase power to their homes. They only use 3 phase power in commercial and industrial places here.
@@livewirereview That's what I thought, but this recent review of a 2023 KIA NERO, here in the USA said, his level 2 charging chord would not charge at 11KW and he said he was told it was because he did not have 3 Phase Power, which sounds hard to believe, otherwise it would be heard of more from the KIA-Hyandai ecosystem, I would think,
@flolou8496 A Kia Niro charges at 7.2kw anyway. It's not the same charger. The Ioniq 5 has a larger capacity charger, BUT they've been having issues with these, and the software update throttles back power when there is high heat detected.
@@livewirereview I'm not sure where you live, but I don't live in a cold climate compared to the East Coast, however I am forced to charge outdoors at night in temps from December 15th to Feb 15th where it's in the mid 40's on average from 10PM to 6AM. Anyway I bring this up because the 2023 model added the ''heat pump'' as standard, and was wondering if that could have in any way a benefit when charging/while parked overnight on Level 2 charging, (as I understand the answer would be NO because it's primary or maybe only use is for faster Level 3 DC charging efficiency, but just thought I'de ask anyway) P.S. I have no garage, just a driveway, that's very common still in the SouthWest.
@@flolou8496 No change for that scenario. The heat pump is for interior climate while driving. The battery has a heater inside that only comes on when needed and charging on a level 2 EVSE.
That's crazy yet cool that all 3 have notably different battery sizes, YET, very similar ranges in the winter. Can you explain the different cooling / heating systems and how they work, basically?
Yes of course! The Ioniq 5 will draw any small amount of heat created by using a/c in reverse to transfer and amplify the heat to a useable level in the cabin. Because it draws from the liquid cooling system around the battery, inverters, charger, motors, etc... it has a lot of small sources of heat.
The Ariya uses a more basic heat pump that draws from an air to air condenser (evaporator in this case for heating) and is limited in how much heat can be drawn from cold air flowing over it. Therefore it is limited to around -10 in most cases with the resistive heater making up for when the heat pump is lacking in output.
The Mach-E has none of these and strictly uses a high powered element like a hair dryer in your home to create heat. This uses a lot of energy.
So mileage is equal in very cold weather, but no mention of mileage in spring summer fall weather. I’d assume the higher battery capacity would offer advantages here in the bulk of the weather we experience, all other things being equal, ie tire sizes , AWD , etc.
Ariya: Kinda boring?
Offended. 😂
It's a great CUV! Very quiet with a luxurious feel.
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Matt agrees with you! Great build quality.
Easy choice 😁 Nissan #Ariya 😎👌and with #e4ORCE 🏆👌
And yet we have 2 in stock at our Nissan store.. I agree, great car!
Ariya for sure! I have one myself. 5th Nissan in the family now and this is just breathtaking built. Why its in stock? Cause it’s goddam $$$ lol But the range is the best for E-SUV , comparative to Model Y.
Design wise yeah, but the hyundai ioniq 5 will win just by a hair because the ioniq small frunk is better than nothing but the main thing that beats the Ariya is the charging speed, 10-80% in 18 min is the greatest thing ever
You lean to the Mustang. Move the seats and get more space!!! That would be the case for all cars.
@@BioniqBob some seats move different than others. Which one is your pick?
@@livewirereview Have a 2025 IONIQ 5 AWD on order. Stepping up from a 2017 IONIQ
@BioniqBob nice! You'll get a rear wiper with a 2025!
I appreciate your observations and preferences. The Mustang has s-l-o-w DCFC, but I do like its BlueCruise. The Ariya does not have one-pedal driving all the way down to a complete stop. Since we do not have kids at home anymore, my wife and I would thus opt for the Ioniq 5, but in the Limited edition with AWD. Sooner or later, Hyundai will figure out how to adapt to NACS, I have no doubt.
I would also choose the Hyundai and I believe the engineers are working on adapting to the Tesla network as we speak. Once all the automakers join this network then every EV will be able to get across the country with ease. We recently took a trip to PEI, (ruclips.net/video/ugSK5Jr_Weg/видео.html) and it was very easy with the Tesla network as a backup when going through the Eastern provinces.
I also agree with your one pedal observation. I found the one pedal driving in these vehicles hard to get used to despite the fact that I use it everyday in the model 3. I find that the accelerator pedal is "loose", not the best word but it describes why it feels awkward. Especially in the Mach E. The Tesla products have a stiff pedal which makes it easier to rest your foot in one place and have better control over deceleration rate.
I look forward to hearing when you finally receive your Ioniq 5! Thanks for the comments. :-)
Ariya in one pedal driving does not come to a complete stop for a reason. There have been issues with break pedals sticking ( all vehicles)because of not being used with the traditional one pedal driving. Nissan now forces you to press on the break for the complete stop preventing the pedal stick issue. I think this is genius.
The Mach E looks the best IMO
It drives very nicely, too. Very planted without wheelspin.
Neeeeeesan
@@musicksol lol 😆
Tesla Connector is just a North American thing.
That is correct. Everywhere else uses a type 2 connector, so implementing superchargers in the rest of the world is easy.
@@livewirereview Type 2 is AC, has nothing to do with HPC- or Superchargers. Tesla Superchargers outside Northamerica use CSS2.
@madmikesch2453 Sorry, yes. Type 2 and CCS2 everywhere else.