Just binged all 4 parts - what an emotional roller coaster! No glam, very honest, insightful and engaging. I love how you embraced the human side of this craft - beyond the magic of storytelling and film, there is grit, constant f*ckups, and powers beyond any individual contributor that can rock a project of any scale. Honestly this series has been quite reassuring - to embrace chaos and keep pushing it. Love your channel and personality mate!
Words cannot express how thankful I am for the algorithm introducing me to you. We are truly privileged to have you open the hood and show us what’s in there and the non-glamorous side of doing our chosen profession. I know what it’s like to have that pain in your chest when something goes sideways, and hope that it subsides overtime. I really appreciate you!
Exactly this same comment, tenfold! It was like a riveting documentary that I couldn’t hit pause on and had to finish watching all in one sitting, even the credits
What a series. It sucks that you had to go through a job like this - but my god, we got a great episodic series out of it to watch! Talk about making something out of a bad a situation. No bitterness, no throwing blame, just a really well told story with such a twist at the end! Thank you for making it (I'm sure over evenings and weekends between other jobs) not easy.
The twists write themselves... I think making this series was probably my favourite part of the whole series tbh. Reflecting on something with some distance from it is for sure cathartic.
No doubt. I'm blown away at the effort put into this 4 part series. Too many takeaways to articulate here, but what a treasure of information to consider.
Wow, didn't see this coming. Fantastic that you made this series. I hope the YT algorithm rewards you richly for the work you did on that project, and then on sharing it with us.
Wow, an honest, humble, insightful analysis of what an ACTUAL documentary shoot looks like…incredibly refreshing. And motivating. Phenomenal work! Subscribed.
This has been one of my favourite RUclips series ever! Honestly, I don't do anywhere near this scope in terms of projects, but the same behaviours from clients, the stresses and problems arising are all there in smaller ways, but they are the same problems fundamentally. Kudos to you for the way you handled it all, despite the difficulties, they were lucky to have you guys. A real shame the way it ended but, some good learnings there for sure. One thought I had was regarding the change of direction - Assuming this was mentioned in a legal contract of some sort? Basically a clause saying that all stakeholders must be named before anything begins, anyone not on that list gets no say once that contract is signed, I know, idealistic maybe, but what are you supposed to do otherwise? Great series, look forward to more vids like this in the future.
This contract clause is definitely a great idea moving forward if and when I work on a job of this nature again in the future! Glad you enjoyed it. The learnings are always valuable for sure, and at least we all got paid!
If pre-production and production had them changing their minds so much post-production could likely have been worse. Thanks so much for sharing your story. I've learned so much from your channel
Scott, you're a legend. To say that my jaw is on the floor is an understatement... What a gut-wrenching result to an anxiety riddled production. I'm not sure how I would have handled it, but I doubt it would have been with the same level of grace you showed. Thanks for bringing us along on that WHIRLWIND of a journey. P.s. glad to see my comment made it in the video 👀
An amazing series and incredibly revealing and honest. Clients are clients and we all have to deal with the crunchy and the smooth. What you all have as a team is the knowledge that you did the very best you could, produced great work and held to your principals. Congratulations. It is a shame that your vision will never see the light of day, but you got paid.... no comfort I know, but not always the way. Great content and although my projects are a fraction of the scale of the ones you share with us, it is a comfort to know that the problems and interpersonal issues are the same regardless of the size of the of the gig. Thanks - It's not just me.....
I never would have thought that this project would end like it did. I was really hoping to get to watch the finished version somewhere. Although I loved being able to see the whole process even if it didn't end how you would it expect it. I think it goes to show why you should value the journey more than the destination.
Thank you for sharing Scott!! It’s so refreshing to hear the highs and lows from this series. When the s**t hits the fan with clients, imposter syndrome really kicks in for me. Thank you ☺️
Oh mannn... What an ending to a truely brilliant and insightful mini series. I don't work on projects this size, but there are definitely overlaps. The standout overlaps this time, were 1) the ironic rush and delayed schedule into non-existent replies, 2) the feeling of wasted pre-production due to changes and 3) the client departure into shelving. There is nothing more frustrating than having gone through all the pressure, stress, changes and of course work..... Only to not make it to the finishing post... With nothing to show. And with that, just like your video took an amazing arc.... A couple of things crossed my mind. 1) perhaps *this* series is the thing that is to show. You've made (more than) good on what a 3 part corporate mini series probably wouldn't ever achieve. You haven't crafted a corporate story, you've absolutely smashed an industry inside "doco", with passion, oversight and authenticity.... And respect to those involved. 2) your reflection on being human and job wastage is the real story arc. I always try to consider the human side when these thing happen, but wastage.... That's a thing. And when you create something like this, I don't think you've wasted the opportunity at all. Thank you again for you time, passion and effort (and overcoming PTSD 😉) to create this. Honestly, you smashed it, and .... Well, words. Thanks ❤
Can't thank you enough for sharing your experience of this project with us all, Scott! It's reassuring to see you encounter the same challenges we continually face, and to know it still happens on jobs of this scale. I hope you can look back on it positively and take the learnings forward.
This is out of our hands... happens all the time. Theres no need to get too emotionaly attached to any specific project. Keep up with the good job and spirit 😊
Sad to hear it didn't work, I was looking forward to see the result... but in a way what a relief 😅 As you said, at the end we are people with personal circumstances trying to do our best in a messed up world. In my personal experience, I try to take those crazy moments as opportunities to learn for the future 🙃 Thank you for sharing this series!
Well well well I was not expecting that but also at the same time I’m really not surprised. Such a shame as I could definitely see your passion for this project then BAM canned! Thank you so much for sharing this with us! So much to learn and so much insight into the weird and wonderful world of film. Was so excited to see the finished episodes :(
Really appreciate you putting the time and effort into creating this mini-series of a mini-series. It gives incredible insight and perspective to us who are aiming for a similar career. Glad you have a good therapist and crew to work through these things with too. People forget hope pivotal that can be. Hope the best for you as this year finishes out and thanks again for the time, care, and wisdom you give us viewers.
This was fantastic insight. Please please make more of these videos Scott, as a producer in corporate/commercial in the UK seeing how other people in this sector work is really valuable for evaluating my own practice. Also that zoom in at the end to your eyes made me spit out my coffee thanks|!!!Q!!!
I think you did a great job, both on the job and with this video series. You are truly masterful at what you do. I think the part that you might’ve gotten wrong was getting as invested emotionally as you did and this video series was a reminder for me to get passionate about the work but to not get too invested on what the client does with it. Because at the end of the day when the client pays for the service and the final video, it’s theirs to do whatever they want with it, that includes throwing it in the trash. thanks again for bringing us along with you.
A very valid point Mike, but when I’m not as invested emotionally the work will very rarely be anything better than distinctly average at best. It’s a delicate balance to strike for sure
Really love your videos. Very insightful, transparent and perhaps most importantly entertaining through your (obvious) skill of storytelling! I'm a commercial photographer (and sometimes filmmaker) who is really getting into documentaries (and AI content), but i've been working with agencies and brands for almost 2 decades so everything is quite relatable. Looking forward to your future videos.
I've seen maybe 4 or 5 of your videos now and they are always amazing.. Really inspiring content no matter the topic. The feeling of waiting for a response and constantly getting rescheduled and iffy responses sucks but it's good you got through it. It was definitely more being unlucky than anything, anyway thanks for the video!
On the plus side, you made a great series on the whole mess. Really good stuff Scott. I was so worried they were going to stiff you on the final payment. Good to see that although the internal management and review structure was totally broken, at least they honored the financial side. Wow. I though I'd had some crappy client interactions over the years, but nothing quite like this, thankfully. The shots you've shared from the shoot days look great BTW, shame it didn't see the light of day as a finished project. All the best for your next big project mate.
This open my eyes to so much of the filmmaking process with larger projects. Kinda just getting back into the game on a local business level, so this ultimately was very insightful!
Worked for ad agencies for 15 years. The amount of money I saw being dropped on abandoned projects is insane by clients. Any kind of business their in. Glad you got paid, man! They also never know what they want, no matter the size or business.
Damn! I commented that I can’t wait to see the final result before. And now this?! Well for what it is worth I really enjoined to watch this series and the material you have shown looks truly great! You must have a great camera.😉 You teach me a lot about something I already work with. Thanks for sharing!
You come across as such a genuine person and I respect your dedication and willingness to pickup so many extra roles to make whatever you work on a success. Hope you're doing good bud!
Sometimes it feels like to sustain ourselves through this industry, we have to find a way to attach when in the process of creation and detach in the process of feedback, approvals, and client a**hollery. Easier said than done though, and really appreciate you for being so generous about your experience. You could have been crabby and ranty but you took a higher road, and created something for viewers like us of so much insight out of a difficult and heartbreaking experience. Thank you ❤
Scott, you are my rolemodel. Great storytelling. A miniseries to rewatch a few times. So much education. And a calm and very down to earth reaction. Thanks a lot!
This was a great series. Knowing your work and judging by the selects alone, I know the project would have been awesome and heartfelt. This is one of the most insightful channels on YT 🙌🏽
I really think you got unlucky, I think you went above and beyond with the work you put in. I also think you're right about the client, you never know what people are going through. I know its heart breaking because of the heart and sole everyone poured in to the project, but ultimately you got paid for what you did, and you gained experience from the whole project, weather the experience is positive or negative, its still experience. With the best will and preparation things go wrong, clearly this was out of your control. You have dust yourself off and carry on mate, you also used your experience to teach other people through RUclips, at the end of the day it might be your passion but ultimately its a Business and business is not easy, if it was everyone would be doing it. keep cracking on lad your smashing it!
A great end to this 4 parter. Its interesting to see how others take a cancelled shoot / failed release. Back in 2019 I had a short series of commercials for cinema all dropped to the client on the day they changed it from live actors to cartoon characters. Gutted no one got to see what we had produced / storyboarded / shot / edited but still got paid for. Great to see you you came to Oxfordshire! Good luck with the next "big one" Scott.
Hey Scott, thanks so much for creating youtube videos. I’ve been watching for some time now. Your witty humor, narrative voice, informative animation, and fast paced editing are addictive. This series was incredible. You’ve made a beautiful documentary(this series) out of a crushed documentary. Though the world is large, I hope we may one day work together. (I’m a DP in NYC). If nothing else, thanks for sharing your life, your work, and doing so with such honesty. All the best.
Creatively a kick in the guts as one is always seeking to see through such emotional projects purely for closure. Sadly you can't control clients, so focus on the control you do have - which is extracting the many positives of this project. The team building and sheer experience of handling this project is invaluable. Most usually can't buy this because rarely would you drop this kinda personal cash to try something like this. So yeah. No red carpet, no premiere to show friends and perhaps not any showreel stuff, but money in the bank and some incredible learnings. Great series!
It’s rough and tough to not get emotionally involved in the work . Corporate film making isn’t like commercials, docs or drama different rules and sensibilities apply. To them it’s just business. I’ve shot countless things that have never made the light of day, one job I was told mid shoot it was never going to come out. Bit on a positive corporates usually have good catering
wow! I wish I could give you a hug! I'm sorry the project got canned! I think it was just bad luck because of the corporate person leaving for personal reasons. No way to anticipate that... If any future clients wonders if they should hire you, this is a incredible testament to your skill, hard work, and passion!!! Well done brother 👏
Loved this series so much. Highly recommend learning how to do Multicam clips in premiere though. Cannot stress how many headaches it's saved me and time it's saved once you know how to do it properly. Sync Maps to are life changing. Just throwing this out as an editor! Love your work, Scott!
Great series, mate! Wonderful to see the emotional roller-coaster it truly is to create in a commercial environment. This is the side that most people don't see and understand. We'll done!
I honestly think this was a case of bad luck with the client, I can't think of anything I would do differently? Also, bit of a side note, but the zoom at the end of your videos always gets me, so thank you for that!
Great series Scott, thanks for your transparency as well, sorry it didn't make it to completion. But your point about it being "just a job" at the end of the day is so true. Sometimes no matter how frustrating the client experience may be, at the end of day, as you've said, they are just people, who probably don't love their job as much as we do. But great series mate, it's great to hear your insights!
This has been a fantastic and informative journey! Never stop caring about your work, part of our success in the industry is down to ones ability to manage clients. It's such a fascinating area of discussion, as 'they' at the end of the day pay for our work, and on many levels, we're a service. On a personal note, never stop trying to better yourself as a creative, yet also be mindful of your own mental health, that is important. Success in ones career, in my opinion needs to be balanced with your ability to live your life! Keep working hard and keep on providing your fantastic content to the many people I know who benefit from it.
Thanks for your insight and honesty. Working through a similar project atm. 1,5 years of work with unpredictable clients. Deadline end of the year. Learned a lot from this YT-series, hoping for a happier end though ;) Truly, thanks for these vids.
Wooooeee, this series was one of the most insightful, if not the only, videos that delve into the granular aspect of a long-term production/agency/corp work process. I would not feel bad at all that the project came apart at the end. The most crucial aspect of all this is... you got paid. It would truly suck if you worked this long on a project only for the company to go bankrupt while you were on a net-90 "payment plan." You also got to learn and experience a whole bunch of new things. I'm still astonished at how you managed to create a great narrative about an unfulfilled narrative. lol. Thank you for the series!
Oh man! What a blow. You are a sterling fella and I can understand it must be very hard to unlink yourself from delivering such a huge project. You did get paid tho, and in business that’s got to be number one. Imagine if you hadn’t. Clients money at some levels is completely impersonal, even if the efforts you went to were epic. The interview clips you showed looked A1 and you must know had it been delivered you would have smashed it. I’m a UK based video producer, so I get where you are coming from. Anyhoots, thanks for sharing your insight and don’t let this get to you. Best, Adam
I actually feel quite deflated from this - it's too real! At least we got this fantastic series from you, and your storytelling chops are on fire dude.
just seeing the last episode, client management matters. knowing when to say no, when to say you need to make a committed decision, and in the end if you have a well written contract when you can fire your bad client. if. you were well paid, thats not the worst thing. it was certainly a learning experience. there are clients I say no to these days because of experiences like this.
I don't think ye did much wrong to be honest man. I think ye were just unlucky. I can only imagine the feeling in your gut when you got the news. Did you approach the client after to see if it was ok to use the footage for showreel etc or Detail probably own the footage so you can use away ? You had the second ep almost there, would you look at finishing it as a showpiece? or happy just to hang the hat up on this one and be grateful for the experince? Great series man well done!
Shame the pretty never got released into the wild, however with the change in direction requested by the client maybe it’s a blessing in disguise. Nothing worse than having a well-planned concept get ripped to shreds before it’s even hit post production. The AI voice filling in the gaps is definitely a tricky one to manage to keep ethics on the right side. In the past we had someone imitate the talent’s voice to fill in a key phrase (thanking the client by name) as it was impossible for us to record with the talent again. It’s not as if we had 5 client reps in the room (including the VP!) when we recorded and all were happy at the time..!
I think you’re probably right Tom on the blessing in disguise. Still not sure where I sit with the AI voice use. But to be honest I think I would have been fine with it having retrospectively got their permission before the doc went live, I think in the context of the few instances I used in the rough cut, the “and then we…”, “this is why” I fail to see most having a issue with it, but from an outraged reaction I’ve seen in these comments already I think I’ll most likely use my own voice as a place holder next time and get permission BEFORE doing it.
wow, this was a rollercoaster! as i am now about to work on my first documentary not financed by me, i am super scared of what could happen 6 months from now :(
Same thing happened to me on one of my first really big jobs. A project was first much appreciated and then suddenly canned. Changes to the corporate identity. By a person who had assured me it would fit in perfectly with the new direction (I had checked in, when I heard there would be changes). I completely get it, things evolve and change in large organizations. But it still frustrates me, how easy it would have been to comply with the new ci with a small reshoot and some extra edits. That was 14 years ago. Man I really should be over this 😂
WTF! Scott this was an epic series. Nothing is ever a waste of time, you would have learnt s#!t loads from this job and (including asking the clients if they're a douchebag 😆) Thanks so much sharing 👍
I noticed the lighting on your talking head becoming more and more moody over the series. I had a feeling by the end that it was a less than desirable ending but I didn’t see them dropping it completely. Thanks for sharing the rawness of it all, and thank you for always keeping it very very real.
I wish that was intentional... 😆 I was just rushing to get the last episode filmed one night and forgot to set a lot of things the way I normally would and couldn't be arsed to re-record it. But we can pretend I did it intentionally... because I like the thought that I did. You're welcome :)
Please, STOP making these videos! I have to work, but as soon as I see the notification about a new update from you, I immediately stop everything just to watch it. You are killing my productivity! Great content as always. Cheers
What payment structure did you work out with the client? That would have been terrible to loose out on money, but these things happen and you can’t really get too down about it. Sometimes things just aren’t in your control.
man that sucks! I'm so sorry it got cancelled, but I really hope that the memories are enough to make up for all the hard work! Can u post the docu on ur YT ch? I mean since their not using it. But I've never worked in the industry so I'm not sure how the legal stuff works, but just a thought.
I don’t want to look at the doc again to be honest. But I did find it all very interesting. If I could find funding from a broadcaster I’d def be up for making a longer form full series on the topics, but I’d want to start from scratch.
Very concerned about the AI voice mimicking. I share your ethical concerns and the documentarian in me does not like the idea of shaping something that didn't happen. I will absolutely be avoiding that in the future, but completely understand why you would use a service like that here. This isn't a documentary which alleviates those ethical concerns in my opinion. Super thought provoking idea, so thanks for introducing that!
Damn, this is very unfortunate and I’m sure a total punch in the gut after all the effort you guys put into the project. Thanks for sharing and being so open! Being nosey here, but How did you guys bill for that? Since you still got paid something. Was that part of the initial deposit, or was that payment after the shelving of the project and you billed for time and expenses that had already occurred up until that point?
Wow, really interesting. I thought you handled the moving goalposts and business hierarchy well. Once you had been awarded the project, did you have any limitation on the number of revisions or changes to brief? Difficult to do, I assisted my daughter in her videography business and we learnt the hard way... 2nd revision and thereafter now chargeable.
Unfortunately not, nothing was that clearly defined, but even with the knowledge now for the next one, I'm not sure I can picture a client like that agreeing to the terms until they were 100% with everything.
Once the AI has sampled their voice surely the machine has got it? that’s highly unethical from a certain point of view. Although overall what a deep project video 😢😂😮😅 so many emotions!
All the emotions! On AI: From what i understood it’s only in my account that it was saved to use and I’ve since deleted the clones I used. It never got to me needing to get permissions because it never made it that far as you’ve seen, but from two of the reactions I’ve seen in these comments already if I was to do it again incase I got a similar reaction from the contributors I think I’d use my own voice as a temp fix and then when it got the final delivery approach the contributors about the concept before doing it.
@@ScottPetersFilms thanks for the in depth answer. Defo great tech solution, I guess whilst laws and technology is in flux we are all navigating uncharted oceans 👍
🙏 I expected a few responses like this, and whilst I hear you and knowing that people might think in this way would choose to dub it with my own voice before getting permission on sign off if I was ever to do this again, I don’t think it was so wildly bad (IMO of course). If the series had been published without their permission for sure that wouldn’t have been on, even if it was only joining and structural words, but for this purpose I granted no permissions to the use of the voice other than on my own private account whilst I trialled it which I’ve since removed. No one other than a handful of clients and the team at Detail and myself heard or saw these edits. I think in this context of use I see it the same as when you slice an “and” from elsewhere in the interview, it just sounded more convincing trying it this way.
@@ScottPetersFilms Thanks for the reply. I don't hugely disagree with this particular justification. But I disagree with submitting samples of their voice to that service without having their permission to do so. Do you know the TOS of that service well enough to know that your contributor's voices aren't used as training data? Do you know for certain that their samples won't be used in any way other than your specific project? If you knew that this was the case, then why not reach out to your contributors before submitting their voice samples? With these AI companies stealing so much data, I think it's best to take the moral high ground here and choose to be more honourable. Your contributors have trusted you with that audio and you have a responsibility to protect it. I acknowledge what you're saying about slicing words in interviews. Believe me I've done that plenty myself. Though I work mostly cutting films and TV shows, where this kind of practice would be a huuuugely terrible thing to do. Can you imagine if I trained an AI on the voice of one of the actor's voices in a show I'm editing, without their permission? Surely this would be a breach of contract. I would love to be able to have an AI version of an actor's voice read the ADR lines I write in the edit, and then have the actor record the lines properly in ADR later. Though I wouldn't dream of doing this without it being an agreed upon part of our workflow before the edit started. I think it's only fair that we treat regular people contributing to our documentary work with that same level of respect, especially as they don't have an agent and a standardised contract protecting them.
@@alex_fountain not by me Alex... never deleted a RUclips comment in my life, even the nasty ones and it's not in the flagged as spam folder either. Intrigued to hear, please share!
Firstly, did you know the TOS of the service you used so well, that you could 100% guarantee that the voice samples you submitted would not be used for anything other than generating the soundbites for your film? If not, that's your first problem right there. Submitting their voices without their consent in that case would be especially terrible. Second, the fact that it was without permission in the first place is just kind of wild to me. I work as an editor cutting narrative TV and film (and the occasional doc). And in my work, I'd love to be able to add in lines from a character in post, and then have the actor perform those lines in ADR, to give a more authentic and honest performance than any AI could. That's the dream. But the issue is, I can't train an AI on the voice of a very well known actor, or indeed any actor. This would surely be a breach of contract for me to do. I wouldn't ever do this without the permission of the actor and their agent, for legal AND moral reasons. So I guess I'm wondering if you think it's ok to do this with the voices of people who are contributing to your film, without their permission, simply because they don't have an ironclad contract, and an agent protecting them? In my mind, the fact that their voice lacks such protection means that the burden to use their voice and likeness respectfully and ethically falls solely on you as the filmmaker. I don't think you're entirely wrong to compare this to editing speech in interviews. I do that all the time in interviews. But I also think you crossed an ethical line, and that shouldn't be brushed away so easily.
Welcome to “real life”. I’ve survived till know, almost 30 years after I started. Never trust a client, be inflexible in terms of post pone a job. “I will do it when I will have the time” … it’s only business as usual.
@@ScottPetersFilms I never give up, even when we have “small problems” as the one you described on the series. What matter is all the other ones we make happy and make as happy. That why I became more inflexible with this clients. They will to still the happiness I have making films.
Nightmare client - I wonder if they have seen this? Anyway the saving grace is you were paid, to be honest. There’s not much you can do about another company’s internal politics messing up your project except take a stand, but you have to be prepared to walk away from the project, which is difficult when you need to pay the rent.
Gutted it didn’t make it to the finished product. Have loved this series and your insight is so helpful. If you get time, I’d love to see more content like this! Hope everything is okay after the blood, sweat and tears of this job - good to be honest about how the stress can build up. Must admit, I did chuckle at the NCP car park pic at the end… legend Scott.
I was looking forward to seeing the result somewhere, when you said the meetings got cancelled, I started getting worried, then it was canned. I'm a little heartbroken 💔you got me invested in this hahaha. At least you got paid in full though, kinda a godsend that you didn't have to finish it. I've had it happen before, weeks of shooting, then something at the client's company goes awry, we still got paid and only did half the work. #Winning Looking forward to your next videos, Scott!
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Just binged all 4 parts - what an emotional roller coaster! No glam, very honest, insightful and engaging. I love how you embraced the human side of this craft - beyond the magic of storytelling and film, there is grit, constant f*ckups, and powers beyond any individual contributor that can rock a project of any scale. Honestly this series has been quite reassuring - to embrace chaos and keep pushing it. Love your channel and personality mate!
Thanks so much!! Appreciate the kind words 🙏
Words cannot express how thankful I am for the algorithm introducing me to you. We are truly privileged to have you open the hood and show us what’s in there and the non-glamorous side of doing our chosen profession. I know what it’s like to have that pain in your chest when something goes sideways, and hope that it subsides overtime. I really appreciate you!
You're so welcome :)
Exactly this same comment, tenfold!
It was like a riveting documentary that I couldn’t hit pause on and had to finish watching all in one sitting, even the credits
What a series. It sucks that you had to go through a job like this - but my god, we got a great episodic series out of it to watch! Talk about making something out of a bad a situation. No bitterness, no throwing blame, just a really well told story with such a twist at the end! Thank you for making it (I'm sure over evenings and weekends between other jobs) not easy.
The twists write themselves... I think making this series was probably my favourite part of the whole series tbh. Reflecting on something with some distance from it is for sure cathartic.
No doubt. I'm blown away at the effort put into this 4 part series. Too many takeaways to articulate here, but what a treasure of information to consider.
Wow, didn't see this coming. Fantastic that you made this series. I hope the YT algorithm rewards you richly for the work you did on that project, and then on sharing it with us.
Wow, an honest, humble, insightful analysis of what an ACTUAL documentary shoot looks like…incredibly refreshing. And motivating. Phenomenal work! Subscribed.
This is the epitome of making lemonade out of lemons. Really awesome to watch you do this at a scale I hope to be at one day.
Thanks Christian! Keep making and I’m sure you will!
This has been one of my favourite RUclips series ever! Honestly, I don't do anywhere near this scope in terms of projects, but the same behaviours from clients, the stresses and problems arising are all there in smaller ways, but they are the same problems fundamentally. Kudos to you for the way you handled it all, despite the difficulties, they were lucky to have you guys. A real shame the way it ended but, some good learnings there for sure. One thought I had was regarding the change of direction - Assuming this was mentioned in a legal contract of some sort? Basically a clause saying that all stakeholders must be named before anything begins, anyone not on that list gets no say once that contract is signed, I know, idealistic maybe, but what are you supposed to do otherwise? Great series, look forward to more vids like this in the future.
This contract clause is definitely a great idea moving forward if and when I work on a job of this nature again in the future! Glad you enjoyed it. The learnings are always valuable for sure, and at least we all got paid!
If pre-production and production had them changing their minds so much post-production could likely have been worse. Thanks so much for sharing your story. I've learned so much from your channel
My pleasure
Scott, you're a legend. To say that my jaw is on the floor is an understatement... What a gut-wrenching result to an anxiety riddled production. I'm not sure how I would have handled it, but I doubt it would have been with the same level of grace you showed. Thanks for bringing us along on that WHIRLWIND of a journey.
P.s. glad to see my comment made it in the video 👀
You’re most welcome 🙏
dude you are a creative and brave beast. thank you for sharing all of this so openly!
You’re most welcome 🙏
An amazing series and incredibly revealing and honest. Clients are clients and we all have to deal with the crunchy and the smooth. What you all have as a team is the knowledge that you did the very best you could, produced great work and held to your principals. Congratulations. It is a shame that your vision will never see the light of day, but you got paid.... no comfort I know, but not always the way. Great content and although my projects are a fraction of the scale of the ones you share with us, it is a comfort to know that the problems and interpersonal issues are the same regardless of the size of the of the gig. Thanks - It's not just me.....
I never would have thought that this project would end like it did. I was really hoping to get to watch the finished version somewhere. Although I loved being able to see the whole process even if it didn't end how you would it expect it. I think it goes to show why you should value the journey more than the destination.
Lot of moments to value on this journey for sure :)
Scott, you are truly a gem. I so hope you continue to make content and feel the gratitude many of us share in learning from you.
Means a lot to hear that, thank you 🙏
Thank you for sharing Scott!! It’s so refreshing to hear the highs and lows from this series. When the s**t hits the fan with clients, imposter syndrome really kicks in for me. Thank you ☺️
You’re most welcome Harrison!
Top tier insight in this series!
Oh mannn... What an ending to a truely brilliant and insightful mini series.
I don't work on projects this size, but there are definitely overlaps.
The standout overlaps this time, were 1) the ironic rush and delayed schedule into non-existent replies, 2) the feeling of wasted pre-production due to changes and 3) the client departure into shelving.
There is nothing more frustrating than having gone through all the pressure, stress, changes and of course work..... Only to not make it to the finishing post... With nothing to show.
And with that, just like your video took an amazing arc.... A couple of things crossed my mind.
1) perhaps *this* series is the thing that is to show. You've made (more than) good on what a 3 part corporate mini series probably wouldn't ever achieve. You haven't crafted a corporate story, you've absolutely smashed an industry inside "doco", with passion, oversight and authenticity.... And respect to those involved.
2) your reflection on being human and job wastage is the real story arc. I always try to consider the human side when these thing happen, but wastage.... That's a thing.
And when you create something like this, I don't think you've wasted the opportunity at all.
Thank you again for you time, passion and effort (and overcoming PTSD 😉) to create this. Honestly, you smashed it, and .... Well, words.
Thanks ❤
Thanks Bruce. Really kind of you to take the time to write and say!
scott - you are the man. much love
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your videos are underrated. love them. great job
I appreciate that! Thanks 🙏
Can't thank you enough for sharing your experience of this project with us all, Scott! It's reassuring to see you encounter the same challenges we continually face, and to know it still happens on jobs of this scale. I hope you can look back on it positively and take the learnings forward.
The lessons only ever make me better on the next one :)
This is out of our hands... happens all the time.
Theres no need to get too emotionaly attached to any specific project.
Keep up with the good job and spirit 😊
What a plot a twist at the end of this saga...this entire serie is fire - so easy to relate to!
What a great series! Thanks for sharing man.
You’re most welcome 🙏🙏
Sad to hear it didn't work, I was looking forward to see the result... but in a way what a relief 😅 As you said, at the end we are people with personal circumstances trying to do our best in a messed up world. In my personal experience, I try to take those crazy moments as opportunities to learn for the future 🙃 Thank you for sharing this series!
You’re most welcome!
Well well well I was not expecting that but also at the same time I’m really not surprised. Such a shame as I could definitely see your passion for this project then BAM canned!
Thank you so much for sharing this with us! So much to learn and so much insight into the weird and wonderful world of film. Was so excited to see the finished episodes :(
You and me both! Glad you found it all useful though :)
Really appreciate you putting the time and effort into creating this mini-series of a mini-series. It gives incredible insight and perspective to us who are aiming for a similar career. Glad you have a good therapist and crew to work through these things with too. People forget hope pivotal that can be. Hope the best for you as this year finishes out and thanks again for the time, care, and wisdom you give us viewers.
You’re most welcome! 😊
This was fantastic insight. Please please make more of these videos Scott, as a producer in corporate/commercial in the UK seeing how other people in this sector work is really valuable for evaluating my own practice. Also that zoom in at the end to your eyes made me spit out my coffee thanks|!!!Q!!!
I enjoyed this series. Thanks for sharing.
You’re most welcome
The subject of this series has been immensely interesting, but it's your storytelling that really makes it great! Thanks for sharing Scott
Thanks Sebastian, you’re most welcome 🤗
I think you did a great job, both on the job and with this video series. You are truly masterful at what you do. I think the part that you might’ve gotten wrong was getting as invested emotionally as you did and this video series was a reminder for me to get passionate about the work but to not get too invested on what the client does with it. Because at the end of the day when the client pays for the service and the final video, it’s theirs to do whatever they want with it, that includes throwing it in the trash. thanks again for bringing us along with you.
A very valid point Mike, but when I’m not as invested emotionally the work will very rarely be anything better than distinctly average at best. It’s a delicate balance to strike for sure
Just sending a hug, absolutely gutted
Appreciated
Really love your videos. Very insightful, transparent and perhaps most importantly entertaining through your (obvious) skill of storytelling! I'm a commercial photographer (and sometimes filmmaker) who is really getting into documentaries (and AI content), but i've been working with agencies and brands for almost 2 decades so everything is quite relatable. Looking forward to your future videos.
I've seen maybe 4 or 5 of your videos now and they are always amazing.. Really inspiring content no matter the topic. The feeling of waiting for a response and constantly getting rescheduled and iffy responses sucks but it's good you got through it. It was definitely more being unlucky than anything, anyway thanks for the video!
Very kind of you to say, thanks mate
On the plus side, you made a great series on the whole mess. Really good stuff Scott. I was so worried they were going to stiff you on the final payment. Good to see that although the internal management and review structure was totally broken, at least they honored the financial side. Wow. I though I'd had some crappy client interactions over the years, but nothing quite like this, thankfully. The shots you've shared from the shoot days look great BTW, shame it didn't see the light of day as a finished project. All the best for your next big project mate.
Thanks Robert 🙏
This open my eyes to so much of the filmmaking process with larger projects. Kinda just getting back into the game on a local business level, so this ultimately was very insightful!
Worked for ad agencies for 15 years. The amount of money I saw being dropped on abandoned projects is insane by clients. Any kind of business their in. Glad you got paid, man! They also never know what they want, no matter the size or business.
It’s a mad world
Damn! I commented that I can’t wait to see the final result before. And now this?! Well for what it is worth I really enjoined to watch this series and the material you have shown looks truly great! You must have a great camera.😉 You teach me a lot about something I already work with. Thanks for sharing!
Sorry to disappoint David, but I’m glad you were able to learn something! 🙏
You come across as such a genuine person and I respect your dedication and willingness to pickup so many extra roles to make whatever you work on a success. Hope you're doing good bud!
🙏 thanks Quinten - I’m doing good thanks mate
Sometimes it feels like to sustain ourselves through this industry, we have to find a way to attach when in the process of creation and detach in the process of feedback, approvals, and client a**hollery. Easier said than done though, and really appreciate you for being so generous about your experience. You could have been crabby and ranty but you took a higher road, and created something for viewers like us of so much insight out of a difficult and heartbreaking experience. Thank you ❤
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Scott, you are my rolemodel. Great storytelling. A miniseries to rewatch a few times. So much education. And a calm and very down to earth reaction. Thanks a lot!
Very kind of you to say! Glad you enjoyed it :)
This was a great series. Knowing your work and judging by the selects alone, I know the project would have been awesome and heartfelt. This is one of the most insightful channels on YT 🙌🏽
Thanks Justin, I think it could have been a good’un! On to the next :)
I really think you got unlucky, I think you went above and beyond with the work you put in. I also think you're right about the client, you never know what people are going through. I know its heart breaking because of the heart and sole everyone poured in to the project, but ultimately you got paid for what you did, and you gained experience from the whole project, weather the experience is positive or negative, its still experience. With the best will and preparation things go wrong, clearly this was out of your control. You have dust yourself off and carry on mate, you also used your experience to teach other people through RUclips, at the end of the day it might be your passion but ultimately its a Business and business is not easy, if it was everyone would be doing it. keep cracking on lad your smashing it!
Thanks mate, appreciate it 🙏
A great end to this 4 parter. Its interesting to see how others take a cancelled shoot / failed release. Back in 2019 I had a short series of commercials for cinema all dropped to the client on the day they changed it from live actors to cartoon characters. Gutted no one got to see what we had produced / storyboarded / shot / edited but still got paid for. Great to see you you came to Oxfordshire! Good luck with the next "big one" Scott.
Hey Scott, thanks so much for creating youtube videos. I’ve been watching for some time now. Your witty humor, narrative voice, informative animation, and fast paced editing are addictive.
This series was incredible. You’ve made a beautiful documentary(this series) out of a crushed documentary.
Though the world is large, I hope we may one day work together. (I’m a DP in NYC).
If nothing else, thanks for sharing your life, your work, and doing so with such honesty.
All the best.
Thanks Seth, I appreciate the kind words! One day perhaps I’ll get to do some work in NYC, a boy can dream 😊
This is pure madness. Respect to you and your crew. F*** clients.
Creatively a kick in the guts as one is always seeking to see through such emotional projects purely for closure. Sadly you can't control clients, so focus on the control you do have - which is extracting the many positives of this project. The team building and sheer experience of handling this project is invaluable. Most usually can't buy this because rarely would you drop this kinda personal cash to try something like this. So yeah. No red carpet, no premiere to show friends and perhaps not any showreel stuff, but money in the bank and some incredible learnings. Great series!
So many learnings Alex!
It’s rough and tough to not get emotionally involved in the work . Corporate film making isn’t like commercials, docs or drama different rules and sensibilities apply. To them it’s just business. I’ve shot countless things that have never made the light of day, one job I was told mid shoot it was never going to come out. Bit on a positive corporates usually have good catering
We ate VERY well in the States 😊
wow! I wish I could give you a hug! I'm sorry the project got canned! I think it was just bad luck because of the corporate person leaving for personal reasons. No way to anticipate that...
If any future clients wonders if they should hire you, this is a incredible testament to your skill, hard work, and passion!!!
Well done brother 👏
Loved this series so much. Highly recommend learning how to do Multicam clips in premiere though. Cannot stress how many headaches it's saved me and time it's saved once you know how to do it properly. Sync Maps to are life changing. Just throwing this out as an editor! Love your work, Scott!
Noted! Thanks Mark
Great series, mate! Wonderful to see the emotional roller-coaster it truly is to create in a commercial environment. This is the side that most people don't see and understand. We'll done!
Thanks mate 🙏🙏
I honestly think this was a case of bad luck with the client, I can't think of anything I would do differently? Also, bit of a side note, but the zoom at the end of your videos always gets me, so thank you for that!
You’re most welcome George
great content, thank you for this
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Top tier content
Great series Scott, thanks for your transparency as well, sorry it didn't make it to completion. But your point about it being "just a job" at the end of the day is so true. Sometimes no matter how frustrating the client experience may be, at the end of day, as you've said, they are just people, who probably don't love their job as much as we do. But great series mate, it's great to hear your insights!
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This has been a fantastic and informative journey! Never stop caring about your work, part of our success in the industry is down to ones ability to manage clients. It's such a fascinating area of discussion, as 'they' at the end of the day pay for our work, and on many levels, we're a service. On a personal note, never stop trying to better yourself as a creative, yet also be mindful of your own mental health, that is important. Success in ones career, in my opinion needs to be balanced with your ability to live your life! Keep working hard and keep on providing your fantastic content to the many people I know who benefit from it.
Thanks Adam! I fully agree on success vs balance, just often easier said than done 🥹
Thanks for your insight and honesty.
Working through a similar project atm. 1,5 years of work with unpredictable clients. Deadline end of the year.
Learned a lot from this YT-series, hoping for a happier end though ;)
Truly, thanks for these vids.
Fingers crossed for your happy ending 🤞
this has been a wild ride, i hope you will find another project that will give you recognition you deserve. thank you for sharing 🤲
I hope so too! 🙏🙏
Wooooeee, this series was one of the most insightful, if not the only, videos that delve into the granular aspect of a long-term production/agency/corp work process. I would not feel bad at all that the project came apart at the end. The most crucial aspect of all this is... you got paid. It would truly suck if you worked this long on a project only for the company to go bankrupt while you were on a net-90 "payment plan." You also got to learn and experience a whole bunch of new things. I'm still astonished at how you managed to create a great narrative about an unfulfilled narrative. lol. Thank you for the series!
You're most welcome, glad you enjoyed it :)
Oh man! What a blow. You are a sterling fella and I can understand it must be very hard to unlink yourself from delivering such a huge project. You did get paid tho, and in business that’s got to be number one. Imagine if you hadn’t. Clients money at some levels is completely impersonal, even if the efforts you went to were epic. The interview clips you showed looked A1 and you must know had it been delivered you would have smashed it. I’m a UK based video producer, so I get where you are coming from. Anyhoots, thanks for sharing your insight and don’t let this get to you. Best, Adam
You’re most welcome Adam
Love this series and breakdown! Thank you for sharing.
You are so welcome Sam!
Been waiting for this one to be released 👀
I actually feel quite deflated from this - it's too real! At least we got this fantastic series from you, and your storytelling chops are on fire dude.
Sorry Laurence :( glad you enjoyed the series though!
This was an eye opening and fantastic mini series.
Thanks Stephen
just seeing the last episode, client management matters. knowing when to say no, when to say you need to make a committed decision, and in the end if you have a well written contract when you can fire your bad client. if. you were well paid, thats not the worst thing. it was certainly a learning experience. there are clients I say no to these days because of experiences like this.
Was not expecting that ending! 😮
You and me both
what an incredible series
Glad you enjoyed it Max 🙏🙏
Dangit! I was just about to sit down with my coffee and edit.
But, priorities. So this.
Good man!
your videos are so inspiring and have encouraged my own filmmaking career, thanks for the great content
Makes me very happy to hear that, thanks Patrick!
Fantastic series. Suppose all you can do is pick up the camera and keep going. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome Freddie!
thanks for sharing this - even if it didn't have the ending you wanted - so insightful
You're very welcome!
Wow. Just wow.
Wow. What a twist!
For you and me both 🙁
So good. I'm sad. Like at the end of an amazing Netflix series. I don't know what to do now.
Watch it again whilst you wait for the next series? 😅
I don't think ye did much wrong to be honest man. I think ye were just unlucky. I can only imagine the feeling in your gut when you got the news. Did you approach the client after to see if it was ok to use the footage for showreel etc or Detail probably own the footage so you can use away ? You had the second ep almost there, would you look at finishing it as a showpiece? or happy just to hang the hat up on this one and be grateful for the experince? Great series man well done!
I’m over it now / it’s the clients footage at the end of the day, but I’m keen to maybe revisit it one day in a different capacity :)
Shame the pretty never got released into the wild, however with the change in direction requested by the client maybe it’s a blessing in disguise. Nothing worse than having a well-planned concept get ripped to shreds before it’s even hit post production.
The AI voice filling in the gaps is definitely a tricky one to manage to keep ethics on the right side. In the past we had someone imitate the talent’s voice to fill in a key phrase (thanking the client by name) as it was impossible for us to record with the talent again. It’s not as if we had 5 client reps in the room (including the VP!) when we recorded and all were happy at the time..!
I think you’re probably right Tom on the blessing in disguise.
Still not sure where I sit with the AI voice use. But to be honest I think I would have been fine with it having retrospectively got their permission before the doc went live, I think in the context of the few instances I used in the rough cut, the “and then we…”, “this is why” I fail to see most having a issue with it, but from an outraged reaction I’ve seen in these comments already I think I’ll most likely use my own voice as a place holder next time and get permission BEFORE doing it.
Holy fucking shit. Disappointing but somewhat expected conclusion to all of this. Thank you for sharing your experience in such great detail!!
wow, this was a rollercoaster! as i am now about to work on my first documentary not financed by me, i am super scared of what could happen 6 months from now :(
Same thing happened to me on one of my first really big jobs. A project was first much appreciated and then suddenly canned. Changes to the corporate identity. By a person who had assured me it would fit in perfectly with the new direction (I had checked in, when I heard there would be changes). I completely get it, things evolve and change in large organizations. But it still frustrates me, how easy it would have been to comply with the new ci with a small reshoot and some extra edits. That was 14 years ago. Man I really should be over this 😂
Maybe you need some therapy consults on this too!! 😂🙏❤️
WTF! Scott this was an epic series. Nothing is ever a waste of time, you would have learnt s#!t loads from this job and (including asking the clients if they're a douchebag 😆) Thanks so much sharing 👍
I noticed the lighting on your talking head becoming more and more moody over the series. I had a feeling by the end that it was a less than desirable ending but I didn’t see them dropping it completely. Thanks for sharing the rawness of it all, and thank you for always keeping it very very real.
I wish that was intentional... 😆 I was just rushing to get the last episode filmed one night and forgot to set a lot of things the way I normally would and couldn't be arsed to re-record it. But we can pretend I did it intentionally... because I like the thought that I did. You're welcome :)
This sounds like the department I work for currently. They have not a clue…ever.
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Please, STOP making these videos! I have to work, but as soon as I see the notification about a new update from you, I immediately stop everything just to watch it. You are killing my productivity! Great content as always. Cheers
You’re most welcome Douglas! Might be a little longer to the next video depending on my schedule over the next couple weeks so you’ve got some time 😊
Well, I expected everything, but the plot twist just shocked me.
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What payment structure did you work out with the client? That would have been terrible to loose out on money, but these things happen and you can’t really get too down about it. Sometimes things just aren’t in your control.
It was in advance in quarters I believe. I just invoiced Detail at the end of each block.
man that sucks! I'm so sorry it got cancelled, but I really hope that the memories are enough to make up for all the hard work! Can u post the docu on ur YT ch? I mean since their not using it. But I've never worked in the industry so I'm not sure how the legal stuff works, but just a thought.
Afraid not, I can’t share any more than I have. But I might revisit the subject on my own terms in the future :)
Can you not release the doc without the client ? Like ask them to give it to you ?
Hats to you for this series. Big up
I don’t want to look at the doc again to be honest. But I did find it all very interesting. If I could find funding from a broadcaster I’d def be up for making a longer form full series on the topics, but I’d want to start from scratch.
Very concerned about the AI voice mimicking. I share your ethical concerns and the documentarian in me does not like the idea of shaping something that didn't happen.
I will absolutely be avoiding that in the future, but completely understand why you would use a service like that here.
This isn't a documentary which alleviates those ethical concerns in my opinion. Super thought provoking idea, so thanks for introducing that!
Much more to discuss and explore here for sure!
Damn, this is very unfortunate and I’m sure a total punch in the gut after all the effort you guys put into the project. Thanks for sharing and being so open!
Being nosey here, but How did you guys bill for that? Since you still got paid something. Was that part of the initial deposit, or was that payment after the shelving of the project and you billed for time and expenses that had already occurred up until that point?
thank you so much for showing us the reality.
i would love to see your opinion on AI and the way you are using this tool.
It’s in the works :)
Wow, really interesting. I thought you handled the moving goalposts and business hierarchy well. Once you had been awarded the project, did you have any limitation on the number of revisions or changes to brief? Difficult to do, I assisted my daughter in her videography business and we learnt the hard way... 2nd revision and thereafter now chargeable.
Unfortunately not, nothing was that clearly defined, but even with the knowledge now for the next one, I'm not sure I can picture a client like that agreeing to the terms until they were 100% with everything.
wish we could watch the first draft of the project, it'd be ashamed not to see the light of day
It’s a crying shame Jan, but I’m afraid I can’t share any more than I already have :(
This is heartbreaking… all that great work shelved smh. But at least I’m happy you got paid.
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Once the AI has sampled their voice surely the machine has got it? that’s highly unethical from a certain point of view. Although overall what a deep project video 😢😂😮😅 so many emotions!
All the emotions!
On AI: From what i understood it’s only in my account that it was saved to use and I’ve since deleted the clones I used.
It never got to me needing to get permissions because it never made it that far as you’ve seen, but from two of the reactions I’ve seen in these comments already if I was to do it again incase I got a similar reaction from the contributors I think I’d use my own voice as a temp fix and then when it got the final delivery approach the contributors about the concept before doing it.
@@ScottPetersFilms thanks for the in depth answer. Defo great tech solution, I guess whilst laws and technology is in flux we are all navigating uncharted oceans 👍
That's absolutely wildly immoral that you submitted their voices to Eleven labs without permission. I'm honestly shocked that you'd think this was OK.
🙏 I expected a few responses like this, and whilst I hear you and knowing that people might think in this way would choose to dub it with my own voice before getting permission on sign off if I was ever to do this again, I don’t think it was so wildly bad (IMO of course). If the series had been published without their permission for sure that wouldn’t have been on, even if it was only joining and structural words, but for this purpose I granted no permissions to the use of the voice other than on my own private account whilst I trialled it which I’ve since removed. No one other than a handful of clients and the team at Detail and myself heard or saw these edits. I think in this context of use I see it the same as when you slice an “and” from elsewhere in the interview, it just sounded more convincing trying it this way.
@@ScottPetersFilms Thanks for the reply. I don't hugely disagree with this particular justification. But I disagree with submitting samples of their voice to that service without having their permission to do so. Do you know the TOS of that service well enough to know that your contributor's voices aren't used as training data? Do you know for certain that their samples won't be used in any way other than your specific project? If you knew that this was the case, then why not reach out to your contributors before submitting their voice samples? With these AI companies stealing so much data, I think it's best to take the moral high ground here and choose to be more honourable. Your contributors have trusted you with that audio and you have a responsibility to protect it.
I acknowledge what you're saying about slicing words in interviews. Believe me I've done that plenty myself. Though I work mostly cutting films and TV shows, where this kind of practice would be a huuuugely terrible thing to do. Can you imagine if I trained an AI on the voice of one of the actor's voices in a show I'm editing, without their permission? Surely this would be a breach of contract. I would love to be able to have an AI version of an actor's voice read the ADR lines I write in the edit, and then have the actor record the lines properly in ADR later. Though I wouldn't dream of doing this without it being an agreed upon part of our workflow before the edit started. I think it's only fair that we treat regular people contributing to our documentary work with that same level of respect, especially as they don't have an agent and a standardised contract protecting them.
@@ScottPetersFilms I wrote a lengthy reply to your comment here, and it seems to have disappeared. Curious
@@alex_fountain not by me Alex... never deleted a RUclips comment in my life, even the nasty ones and it's not in the flagged as spam folder either. Intrigued to hear, please share!
Firstly, did you know the TOS of the service you used so well, that you could 100% guarantee that the voice samples you submitted would not be used for anything other than generating the soundbites for your film? If not, that's your first problem right there. Submitting their voices without their consent in that case would be especially terrible.
Second, the fact that it was without permission in the first place is just kind of wild to me. I work as an editor cutting narrative TV and film (and the occasional doc). And in my work, I'd love to be able to add in lines from a character in post, and then have the actor perform those lines in ADR, to give a more authentic and honest performance than any AI could. That's the dream. But the issue is, I can't train an AI on the voice of a very well known actor, or indeed any actor. This would surely be a breach of contract for me to do. I wouldn't ever do this without the permission of the actor and their agent, for legal AND moral reasons.
So I guess I'm wondering if you think it's ok to do this with the voices of people who are contributing to your film, without their permission, simply because they don't have an ironclad contract, and an agent protecting them? In my mind, the fact that their voice lacks such protection means that the burden to use their voice and likeness respectfully and ethically falls solely on you as the filmmaker.
I don't think you're entirely wrong to compare this to editing speech in interviews. I do that all the time in interviews. But I also think you crossed an ethical line, and that shouldn't be brushed away so easily.
Welcome to “real life”. I’ve survived till know, almost 30 years after I started. Never trust a client, be inflexible in terms of post pone a job. “I will do it when I will have the time” … it’s only business as usual.
I prefer living with the dream job it began as 💭
@@ScottPetersFilms I never give up, even when we have “small problems” as the one you described on the series. What matter is all the other ones we make happy and make as happy. That why I became more inflexible with this clients. They will to still the happiness I have making films.
@Scott Peters pretty sure the main guy at the company lost his job because of this project !
bro, this is idk how to feel
You and me both David 🥹
Damn, thats sucks, I’m just sorry dude
It can always be worse 🙃
Nightmare client - I wonder if they have seen this? Anyway the saving grace is you were paid, to be honest. There’s not much you can do about another company’s internal politics messing up your project except take a stand, but you have to be prepared to walk away from the project, which is difficult when you need to pay the rent.
Gutted it didn’t make it to the finished product. Have loved this series and your insight is so helpful. If you get time, I’d love to see more content like this!
Hope everything is okay after the blood, sweat and tears of this job - good to be honest about how the stress can build up. Must admit, I did chuckle at the NCP car park pic at the end… legend Scott.
Thanks Tom. There WAS a lot to share on this one, but I will see how much detail I can go into on the next one for sure 👍
I'm going to therapy after this series...
I was looking forward to seeing the result somewhere, when you said the meetings got cancelled, I started getting worried, then it was canned. I'm a little heartbroken 💔you got me invested in this hahaha.
At least you got paid in full though, kinda a godsend that you didn't have to finish it. I've had it happen before, weeks of shooting, then something at the client's company goes awry, we still got paid and only did half the work. #Winning
Looking forward to your next videos, Scott!
I was hoping you’d go on the same emotional journey I went on… so job done :)