WHY DID ROCK STOP BEING FUN?? (MGK was right!)
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- MGK was right: rock stopped being fun! In this video I talk about exactly what happened:
* The 90s, when grunge bands like Nirvana and Alice In Chains showed up and Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg took over rap
* How 90s movies like Pulp Fiction, Natural Born Killers and The Matrix played a role
* The 2000s, when artists like Buckcherry, The Strokes, The White Stripes, Fall Out Boy and Paramore kept fun alive in rock
* The 2010s, when EDM DJs like Skrillex, Steve Aoki and Zedd became the new rockstars
* MGK's rant about "comfortable shoes" in an interview, and why Rubi Rose is a lot more interesting than djent
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0:00 Intro
4:36 The 90s (Nirvana & Dr Dre)
7:16 The 2000s
10:31 2013 - when rock stopped being fun
15:36 MGK and comfortable shoes 
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yo bro when them shirts coming in Pink yo?
Nah i didn’t forget anything, my videos aren’t intended to be lists of bands, you know?
We all try to forget Incubus.
Yo where can I get that shirt you're wearing fam?
@@ThePunkRockMBA you seriously need to do one video where you mention EVERY band that is an example of x. The entire video grinds to a halt, and you just name bands for 20 mins.
Caption on screen the whole time: you people made me do this.
Not only does rock need to be fun again, it also needs to become more rebellious and controversial again.
That’s true in a way, However 90% of GenZ’s need fun stuffs..
In the world of entertainment R&R is the closest thing to reality...In today*s digital world oeople choose "blue pills" over " red pills"..I miss those days where musicians are brutally frank and raw..
it can't be forced though
The only 2 controversial figures in rock today (and I say this with extreme sadness) are Ted Nugent and Trapt.
YES. The rebellion is gone.
I think part of rock’s decline is the elitist and unwelcoming attitude of fans.
STG!!
exactly
Anthony Fantano lol
The punk and metal scenes are rife with gatekeepers and elitists its bull. Shit...punk fans even call John Lyndon a fake punk even though he defined what punks were and was born in the roots of it all, smh. Punks about doing it for yourself and staying true and being honest to you and what your believe yet so many are called fakes for having literally their own views
Zendaya appeared on Tik Tok wearing a Metallica shirt and some people called her out as probably not even knowing any of their songs. The knee jerk reaction was crazy. Especially when it turns out she can actually play several Metallica songs on guitar.
"Can you imagine Axl Rose getting butthurt over these comments?" Yes. I can absolute see that lol
I'm a huge Gn'R fan, and even I thought this, absolutely- have you seen anything about Axl? He's often, the worst
You think Axle cares? If you were a GNR fan you wouldn't assume things about Rose. He was the best frontman in rock since Jim Morrison.
@@daveshank1921 I’m a massive Slash and GNR fan. But sometimes you gotta dish out the tough love 😂 he’s gotten way better since the mid 2000’s tho
That may be a poor example. Axl Rose gets butthurt over everything. I could see him throwing a chair through a window if his toaster burnt his toast.
Key Difference: Axl Rose knows how to be a marketable frontman and entertain people. He was the MGK of his time. A total douchebag that constantly beefed with others (Spin magazine anyone?) but was so incredibly entertaining that he was able to build a massive fanbase despite the antics. He wore the crazy, uncomfortable shoes MGK was advocating for. Not the McDonald's Employee New Balances rock bands wear today.
Internet Killed The Rockstar.
Severely underrated comment
Computer quantized shit music, and ofc the streaming platform
@@lordbalthosadinferni4384 Yup
Love that reference
Mod Sun's album & song
“Unless you want to call Maroon 5 or Imagine Dragons rock...”
I, in fact, do not.
The kid who did this critique sounds like a tween, like he's got some growing up to do. Most people from this generation would rather listen to the authentic music from years ago than the crap they shove down our throats now.
@@richardcoates4751 Who, Finn McKenty?
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We finished putting Imagine Dragons show away and we're walking past them and they showed our crew no attention . What a bunch of asshats
They could of said thanks guys .
Lol imagine those bands being rock music.
Or called coldplay rock
Wow. I never thought about rock losing it’s hype due to lack of fun. I couldn’t agree more. Awesome video man!
Hey anabolic aliens! big fan. Keep the good work!
holy shit man, you're here! Love your channel man!
I think he's off here - it's not 'fun', it's exciting, it's depth. The Beatles were fun, then they got dark when they were most vital. The Rolling Stones were dark. There was nothing really 'fun' about The Doors, Pink Floyd, Zep, Hendrix, or really most any band from the 60s that was relevant. GnR became huge because they were a scary counterpoint to all the 'fun' throwaway strip bands. There was nothing fun about the Seattle bands. Even Sublime, being such a party band, had a really dark undercurrent to them. The Strokes were the last true rock band, tapping us back into something great when everything had gone nu-metal... they were certainly exciting and not fun, but they fizzled out. The only 'fun' rock band that had any real cultural impact is Van Halen because they were so freakin' amazing. MGK seems like a cool dude, but his attempt at rock is lame and boring... it's like even more watered down Blink, which is quite the accomplishment.
wow i used to watch your videos in like fifth grade this is weird
@@brandall101 People don't want to listen to Greta Van Fleet though and that's what this video is railing against. We've been hung up on this idea that Dad Rock (Rock version of 90's Boom Bap like Nas) is the only true version of the genre when there's a lot more fun artists to listen to. I'd much rather listen to GNR, Metallica, Blink, early Linkin Park, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Temple of the Dog, Queen, and Pearl Jam than some boring, depressing crap like the Eagles or Zeppelin (great bands but I wouldn't put them on at a party).
Grunge was the start of not being fun, everything went dark and depressing. It never really fully recovered. But there is a lot of fun rock out there. You just got to dig a little harder to find it
I think that is why Ska and Skate Punk stood out at that time. It was funner, those bands where having festivals.
These aren't exactly fun times so grunge has been in my playlist a lot more again.
@@brfts2001 True!
Melvins are punk and they have some fun songs.
@@brfts2001 because your so negative suck it up and crush the bad energy brotha
MGK and Post Malone have both showed us in the past year that they have tremendous passion and skill for punk rock music, but they both made their fortunes making the music that was popular. Now that they have money in the bank and a name for themselves, maybe they will help contribute to the rock revival.
If Post Malone release a punk, rock, or grunge album, there will definitely be a change in the music industry..
@@dylankn8129 Or it will kill his career
Sell outs.....
@@jdeez69 hey with a big name and money they can introduce people to punk rock and can have more control of their albums than small rock bands trying to work with a small label that can’t do much. Selling out and securing your income while making a name for yourself before making none mainstream music is a good idea.
Posers.
Finn says "people like fun" so many times, it's almost like he's trying to tell us something. Idk though
He really knows his audience, and how much they (we) suffer in live
Repetition legitimizes lmao
I hate fun I just Wana stand with my arms crossed
I know it’s weird idk what he’s on about
Repetition legitimizes
I blame U2 and that time they forced us all to have their album on itunes
Bro I fucking remember that 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hahahahaa for real. That’s the only U2 album I own, and the only reason I have it was that it was forced upon me. Lll
Lol, that was weird
I remember checking my iPhone and seeing a U2 album somehow, when I never even listen to them.
hahaha good one !!!!!!!!!!!!
It's crazy growing up in a music scene and then one day you look around and everything is completely different. One day metalcore and post-hardcore is cool and the next everyone loves screamy rap music. I feel like I completely missed the transition.
Rap and Country will continue to always suck for me.
I grew up in the pop punk emo and scene years, so yeah man it truly is weird seeing everything change into plain what the fuck is this type of style 😂
Rock is still fun - what has happened is that the industry has changed how music is delivered. With music now being streamed, listeners can choose to listen to specific songs instead of whole albums. Artists are more likely to release singles on a steady flow so they can remain relevant in the social media space. Rock doesn’t focus on Instagram posts. Also - a key element of rock is the underground roots with the bars and pubs that harvest new bands coming through, a lot of these have closed down and also the record company’s that sign them. It is easier now to stay at homemix a track on my laptop and release online, than finding a group of dedicated likeminded musicians in my local area to practice together and developing original content overtime. Most of the successful bands in the 90s were playing for 5+ years before they had success. It’s all about the now and relevant for the follows and the ‘likes’. The generation of instant success.
Wisdom
I will simplify it: Rockstars stopped being people you would look up to. They stopped being the pinnacle of the cool guy. Long story short: Rockstars stopped being rockstars
They're all stoic, wannabe professional businessmen.
It's no longer about jumping around n partying.
Rockstars were never people to look up to they were Rockstars f'ing willing & wanting groupies and doing lots of drugs.
@@GaughanGirl77 well... I understand what you're saying, but Rockstars do put a lot of work and commitment in their art, and they are people that believe in themselves. Drugs were a pretty negative aspect, but they were nonetheless very successful and popular people in general
@@Originalexbrou my point is that being popular says nothing about whether or not you should be looked up to.
@@Originalexbrou also the perception of drugs being 100% bad is pretty outdated imo... what type of drug? What side effects? How often? Is this a natural plant or a pharmaceutical concoction? Etc?
I unironically love Metro Station's Shake Shake it. What a fun song
me too haha
oh yeah its a banger and its some nostalgia too
lmao are you betwen 27 and 30 years old? if that's the case, makes sense.
it was when pop punk was invading alot of things, and ther were a few "pop" songs with punk influences, but leaned hard on the pop"
Face Down by Red Jumpsuit Apparatus was big around that time if i can remember correctly and that had screaming, radio version did not lmao
Fun if don't like rock or metal
@@stiefjac5082 yes I am
I agree, it's that fun factor, but also that energy in general. You can talk serious stuff and be dark while still brining the energy that generates similar feelings that fun does
"Because you are WAY to cool to enjoy anything" This guy gets it 😂
Difference between making art and making entertainment. In entertainment you go after people, in art people go after you.
Actually, i can imagine 80s Axl Rose feuding with MGK tbh.
Totally, he's not a great example
I can imagine 80s Axl Rose feuding with most people tbh
WELL... THANKS TO THE LAME ASS MGK, IM GOIN HOME *throws mic on the ground. *crazy feedback noises
@@lestatsebastian666 HAHA nailed it
@@burningrivers0616 and then would have “MGK sucks” t shirt on a year later while getting sued by MGK for trying to kick his ass right after a huge random rant about MGK on stage, just cuz Axl got tired of singing. LOOL I went a lil far there didn’t I?
As a rock star who never got famous I think there is something to be said for both having a fun band as well as a serious band. I liked both!
Man I miss Van Halen... Party music and incredible musicianship in one package!
yes me too, emo grunge is THE WORST genre of all time
I actually feel like the Japanese figured it out before the west Rock over there is lit as fuck
J-Rock is technical as fuck yet fun as hell. J-rock always evergreen
Hehe and they took it to America again OOR
They did I've been listening to some j-rock over the week and they figured it out perfectly.
right? babymetal is a great band
I mean I've seen FLCL enough times to know that pretty much every Pillows song is catchy as hell.
Roses are red, violet's are blue
When I listen to rock music.
My neighbours do too.
BAhahaaa!!!!!!!
I like how the rock timeline just eventually turned into a bunch of bands that I’ve never heard of.
Thank you thats definitely what happened..that and once i got into a FB msgr bitch fest bc i didnt wanna let these dudes "SCHOOL" me on the many genres of metal or rock all bc i said "wow......dillinger escape plan didnt sound like this on calculating infinity" and that statement did me in. Ive listened to music all of my life and most of it around the same style but at the drive in was a diamond i found on a nasty Lake Hamilton beach here where i live and they were just atdi. No one else like them period. (Aside from the mars volta and sparta) and then im told my fav band for over a decade (aside from pantera and acid bath durr) is EMO. Maybe i just catergorize the shit that enters my brain where i see fit bc they werent like taking back sunday or further seems forever, deathcab, s.d.r.e. (so yeah i put those bands in the right pocket) anyway.. idc what genre im listening to so long as it makes me feel that feeling yeah.
Holy shit, the “military wife demographic”, I’ve never actually linked them to that but it’s totally true! Every single one of them is like that!
Indeed
If there's categories for listeners, idk which one i fall under. I shouldn't have even made that comment. All I got out of this is somewhere in the r&b & hip hop community: I listen to 👈 when I clean. Me: 🤔 word? I just half ass'ed listened to a rock documentary thing, to half ass clean. I think I mainly stick to the oldies for that. Lol @ ppls music selection for wedding receptions and what not tho
Rock will be fun again when Tom Delonge wants it to be fun again
nobody asked Tom to find the aliens, he's doin it for us.
Agreee!!
@@AlexStanilla Those aliens that abduct cows must be gamblers.
They're always raising the steaks.
@@chasemarkmckenzie622 I, goddamnit that’s good.
Bahaha
"rock these days feels more like hanging in a a reddit thread than going to a party"👌🏾
Shots fired at r/metalcore lol
I can smell the redditors approaching.
That's why you gotta avoid anything that isn't r/_____jerk
Seriously, after this pandemic and the madhouse that was the late 2010s, we *NEED* good time songs!
I’d happily welcome back fun rock. We need more of it. But these days I’ve grown to appreciate some downtime as well. Was at a get together with some friends awhile back, I hadn’t been out for awhile and it was loud at first, but then someone came in and we got chatting about Deftones and he put some of it on and the room got more chill. I like the fun, but in moderation. I can appreciate music that sets a mood just as well as I can appreciate something a little more uplifting and exciting and playful. I’ve been pretty deaf to this passed decade though, sadly. I’ve been too busy discovering older songs I hadn’t heard before and just being a shut in for most of my 20s. Maybe I should make the 2020s my 20s, now that I’m in my mid 30s, lol.
“At this point in my life I would rather lick the stage sweat off of Kid Rocks back than go to some EDM Festival”. I can’t wait for your book hahahahaha
yeah... I am not really sure about that.
wow TWL notice this vid
Haters
Jesus Christ dude. That’s a fucking statement!
Come on. He would like it.
(sorry Finn xD)
The rock's easy, but the roll is another thing...
Keith Richards
MGK was always a fun rapper too, so him entering the rock scene was a natural transition for him.
But yeah, music in general has been pretty moody for a while; it seems like the turning point was Lorde's "Royals" in 2013; all of the grandiose poppy songs that song was calling out started to fade away, and everyone started chasing that sound, including rock. And it did noooooot benefit that scene at all.
So just like how we had to import BTS to get pop to cheer itself up, personally I've been heading overseas to J-Rock to find bands that are ready to throw down.
Can't believe I'm not subscribed to this channel yet, good stuff!
Great video. Thought this for years but you laid it out so clearly. Maybe one day we'll see rock played at parties again.
Damn this took me by surprise! Keep up the good work and rock on!
Whoa, never thought I'd see you here. But I guess I'm not surprised cause you guys rock!!
I agree
@The Ink Tank One day soon hopefully
Money and Another Brick in The Wall Part 2 by Pink Floyd is a pretty fun classic rock song to listen and dance to despite the lyrics being political. Rolling stones had pretty fun and funky danceable songs too in their sticky fingers and exiles on main street album. I like to call it classic party rock music lol
MGK's new music makes me feel like my old middle school self and I'm living for it. lmao
Lol foreal, it’s like that type of music was his actual calling.
@@datguy9408 well think about it what if that was his plan all along build a audience from rap and hip hop since that’s what was big when he started and still is and then switch to pop punk sure some of the fans will leave the fan base but the majority of people will stay and then you can also gain new fans from the pop punk side. it’s kinda a win win for both party’s
Dude. I'm 47 and listen to Tickets to My Downfall daily. My 18 year old daughter gave it to me for Christmas. I'm not a fan of his rap but as a fan of pop punk I think this cd is fire. Personally I like fun music and am not ashamed to say it.
@@chrisglazener3613 same his pop punk is more up my alley
i swear i feel the same
This is outstanding man. You’re totally right and idky I never thought of it before lol. I’m 40 on 8/29 so the mid 90s was my coming of age years and that shit was epic, literally nothing has compared to that time since…I didn’t even notice rock became dark and so did my own creativity. That’s fuckin scary imo. Thanks for your take here man for real. I’m a new sub and look forward to hearing more from you.
*EDIT* I just checked when Alexisonfire first broke outside the local scene here because somehow I have them saved in the 90s section of my brain and I’m stunned it was 2003 lol. Maybe I’m just a bitter elderly who labels everything as shit unless I think it was 90s lmao. This video was therapy it seems
Your channel introduces me to so much cool music :)
Rock then: "society is fucked but let's have fun anyway!"
Rock now: "society is fucked and I'm gonna cry about it non-stop while doing nothing to make anything better!"
@W 9797 Literally nobody says that, stfu
@W 9797 what even?
This world need a new Vandals band featuring people doing jackass stuff in their music videos lol
@@hleb4908 Sam Phillips' biography proves this unequivocally. Ike Turner and Chuck Berry started rock and roll, white people have just been ripping it off for the past 65 years.
@@tombstonejones9581 Nobody is denying that rock has it's roots in music that was created by black artists you absolute imbeciles, just because some of you think that some genres of music should be exclusive to a certaint race doesn't meant that white people making rock music is "stealing" or "ripping off"
I used to be so pretentious thinking "popular music bad my music good" then i got over myself and enjoyed some charts music and life is a lot more enjoyable.
What chart music?
Lol this was my exact thought process. Eventually, everyone will get over themselves all thats left to do is wait.
Me too. I was a huge music snob until I got into my 20s and realized that sometimes popular music isn’t all that bad.
I’ve been there too.
@Michael Sprague See, I’m a musician (I’ve been playing guitar and bass for 12 years) and my thought process was different. When I was 16, I found punk rock and ska music and loved it and still do. It was really frustrating for me to have this music I thought was cool and amazing be ignored by the mainstream. I liked it. I wanted everyone else to like it too. And I started resenting top 40 radio music for that reason.
Great video, it reminds me of the band 12 Foot Ninja who seems to be having fun with their music, which is so rare these days.
Dude. This is something I've been thinking A LOT about lately. This was a great watch, thank you!
I actually can imagine axl rose getting offended over someone making fun of his shoes. Hes kicked peoples asses over less.
@matt rardin yep. got them banned from playing in St. Louis, which is in my home state.
@@realsgtstupid I heard st louis was a big ass state.
@@michaelj4256 learn your geography or learn to read properly lmfao
@@realsgtstupid lmao i was trolling you and trolled myself by not reading it.
@@michaelj4256 😂it happens
I bet a new “grunge” scene is coming. It feels like the 80’s with all of the feel good music.
I mean the new MGK album Tickets To My Downfall kinda gave pop punk more recognition so maybe
not grunge, something new, maybe with elements of it though
Thats the problem with rock music. We should do new shit instead of trying to be a new Nirvana or metallica
There does seem to be a rippling in the energy lately. Maybe something will bubble up!
Rock will come back when it evolves into something dirtier edgier darker and more extreme given the dark times were living in just my two cents
Ya know, I'd been trying to put my finger on exactly what's been up with the absence of rock music in the mainstream for a while now, and you hit the nail right on the head. It's not fun anymore. When I think about my favorite rock music from when I was coming up (so mostly late 90s and 00s bands), almost all of it was somewhat (if not very) danceable. Even the harder stuff made me wanna jump around the room. And even a lot of the really sad or serious tunes were often very melodic and even waltzy. Like if I really surrender myself to the music, I'll find myself swaying along. A lot of newer rock music doesn't do that for me. Sure it'll get some light headbangin from me, and seems to still make people want to mosh (I've never been one for moshing being a very petite woman who's just personally not a fan of getting crushed by dudes 2-3x my weight lol). But it often leaves me feeling more angry and energetically uptight than happy. Hell, even musically GOOD bands that were mostly just for dumb fun like RHCP get made fun of in today's culture like having a little funk and silliness in rock music is a bad thing...as if only metal and metalcore still count as real rock.
Also the rock music videos used to be SO entertaining to watch, and were the reason I got excited to wake up early in the morning so I could watch MTV and Vh1 before school. It seems like it's only the pop and hip hop artists nowadays that seem to care about making music videos that are actually fun and entertaining enough to have that viral power to reach across the algorithms to people who wouldn't otherwise go looking for them.
Anyway, that's just my 2 cents as someone who has very eclectic taste in music across any genre (though "alternative" would probably be the umbrella term I'd use to describe the music culture I came up in as a teen), and is also weirdly interested in pop culture trends, even those I don't necessarily participate in, just because I see it as a form of modern art history...what's popular often mirrors what's important to the youth of a given generation. So I suppose we could say that the kids these days simply don't currently share the values of rock culture 🤷🏽♀️ I mean, is it just a coincidence that with the rise of social media came the fall of rock in the mainstream, and the rise of a genre with a culture that largely includes braggadocio and beef (think Instagram, Twitter and TikTok culture) 🤔
Now I'm just rambling, but thanks for an insightful video that gave me some food for thought.
This totally makes sense. My favorite music is Rap, pop, electronic music from late2000s-early2010s. That was when all of those genres we about Partying and having a good time
This was a brilliant rundown my brother. Really enjoyed hearing your take on all this 🤘
Social media has ruined the good times. Everyone is trapped in their own insecure and mean-spirited bubbles to let loose and party.
i agreeeee its so true !!!
well said
You're not wrong, but this started before social media & even the internet was a thing.
Yes exactly!!
Im offended by that comment... Im canceling you on my twitter and all my fans are going to cancel you as well.... JeRk!11
Would honestly love to hear moar on your distain for EDM. I'm 29, & Bands like Attack Attack & early Asking Alexandria paved the roadway to electronic music for a lot of us because there are so many similarities between the two genres (build/drop song arrangement, production techniques, & so on). Feels like the 'fun' element of rock was syphoned in to Electronic music around 2012-13. We noticed that was happening & followed the thing we loved - fun. Which lead to EDM for many of us.
We need a new Smells like Teen Spirit
Impossible
It's probably out there in one of the thousands of pieces of media forced on and scrolled past, by everyone, every day.
Dave grohl said that about billie eilish cause it was edgy and new but she's just doing normie pop now
I must've missed something. I thought rock was for the misunderstood. The troubled. So, I think the hip hop community is kind of like that too. Just from a different culture. The only more lighthearted hip hop things is the typical club music. Mainstream radio. And I guess maybe joke ish bands, like blink, sum, fob, bowling for soup. Or maybe thats just me. Remixed "rock, rock" is the only party vibe I can think of. So, dubby ish. Maybe Adidas by korn. Or drug related songs, or I guess, imma pretty much act just stupid right now type ish. Idk 🤔🤷♀️, songs are just songs. I've seen ppl get hype to down w/ the sickness type vibes and thats the furthest from feel good ish. Edit: I somehow managed to skip out entirely on nu metal...I know he mentioned it and thats mainly what I stick to. But I really almost forgot. Enter limp bizkit heh
Never really liked mgk as a rapper but as a punk rocker he is legit.
Yup
fakest dude out there
@@e.lsabbath3258 just like every single rockstar on earth
It's like he finally found his musical home.
Same but I feel like he did it cause he got own
Im down for the “make rock fun again” movement
Count me in!
Let's do it!
@Zachary Kariotis we'll try to make is as fun as we can without compromising the quality!
Hell yeah!
YES
lets not forget that even if part of music is entertainmnent, it is not the goal of music, as an art, music is its own goal, which is why every so often, real artists will blow off the charts out of nowhere even if they're not fun
You know what's fun? Your channel. Keep it up, man.
It's funny, cause hip-hop's problem was the exact opposite. They were so concerned with crossing over that the genre arguably stopped being hip-hop. To be fair the tighter restrictions on sampling didn't help either.
now this would make for an interesting video
@@asciicatface indeed
@@asciicatface it would make a great companion piece video imo. The problem with hip-hop in the 2000's was a combination of censorship by media outlets, and greed on the part of the hip-hop industry. By the mid 00's almost all mainstream rap music was club anthems. And it never recovered imo.
@@Tishauna7 Soundcloud rap, especially the aggressive varieties like punk rap and trap metal, tend to flip the club friendly vibe on its head by craving mosh pits and underground shows in (of all places) Eastern Europe, but it's definitely not mainstream yet. Eventually, there will be a rap equivalent to Linkin Park that popularizes screaming to the masses.
Tighter restrictions on sampling is a good thing considering sampling without permission is just theft.
Finn, all I'm hearing is that you're looking for the return of CHUMBAWUMBA.
Aren't we all, friend?
Chumbawumba actually started as (and returned to being) an obscure anarcho-punk collective. Check out Todd in the Shadows' 'One Hit Wonderland' video about Tubthumping to hear all about it
Finn's just out here pissing the night away.
A well done breakdown, Finn. Pretty much hits the nail on the head.
Thank you for the vid! It’s the reason I look for music in new places, and styles. Heck, Jerry Reed singing about the man who invented coin (vending) machines. Yeah it’s old, yeah it’s country, gut it’s a fun song. I’m not much for rap, but miss Will Smith, and DJ Jazzy Jeff rapping about summertime. Now it is who does the best covers for me. Give me a sad clown, and a jukebox, if you get the references.
I just miss Grundge. Alice In Chains, Nirvana, Pearl Jam. When people really bumped that shit.
HA! HA! HA! All the bands that took the fuck out Rock music. Not AIC...they were glam at one point and were all about having a good time.
Pearl Jam’s the radio friendly band that’s okay, Nirvanas the poppy one that’s sad but you don’t realize it until later, soundgardens got the singer you focus on the whole time for whatever reason. (Few good riffs) stone temple pilots makes you want to smoke a cigarette and do karaoke has a vintage feel to it. and Alice In Chains were the “heavy” ones.
I miss grunge more.
I used to street race to Audioslave and Nazareth in high school, I still blare the HELL out of old rage and soundgarden when I go to the store
Alice in Chains ftw 🤘🤘🤘🤘
311 is basically the taco bell of music. Everybody likes to pretend that they're above it, but we all know that you can't go wrong with a crunch wrap supreme, especially when psychoactive substances are involved.
Taco bell makes me shit my brains out after.
311 is fucking badass
I always thought they were a Chalupa
As someone from Omaha. Fuck 311
311 is cool, Taco Bell is trash. I understand your analogy but it's false.
Hahaha good comparison and marketing approach analysis!!
Happy to see / read you’re a 311 fan.
I can imagine Axl Rose getting offended over anything, including a joke about his shoes.
because you know him very well and he knows you, huh?
axl rose would beat someone over a joke like that, bet.
Axl could give a fuck less he is a millionaire done you fucks are not 😂
Finn "from a marketing standpoint" McKennty
This
So punk
@@an_38kitkashyap That's incredibly reductionist and simplistic. Sure, if you want to talk in large platitudes, you can make whatever broad generalization you want. That doesn't change that the content of the video is flawed because it's all based off of a shitty leading question, AKA the title of the video.
Finn always gives me Paul Ryan-stupidly-saying-"my favorite band is Rage Against the Machine" vibes due to his insistence that the only way music can be "good" is if it is profitable to media companies. That's the only consistent metric he seems to keep across his entire video catalog, from what I can tell.
I could be wrong, but he always seems to pick a position and then try to cherry pick data to support the original statement as opposed to asking a question and then stating what he learned.
@@davidmceldowney6827 Cherry picking is exactly right.
He argues the 90s were darker than the 80s and uses the example of Pulp Fiction (which I wouldn't exactly describe as dark). Well that same year Forrest Gump was also released. It was massive at the box office, won Best Picture and is about as light as movies come.
It's worth noting the cultural phenomenon that is Friends debuted on TV in '94 (remember the Rachel haircut?) and dominated for the rest of the decade (alongside Seinfeld for a few years) and the early noughties, a show that's as cheesy as anything the 80s produced.
He uses Back to the Future to illustrate how light the 80s are compared to the 90s, but if you were put Pulp Fiction next to Platoon which came out the year after BTTF his argument continues to fall apart. Platoon was undoubtedly a dark film, a smash hit with audiences and unlike BTTF won Best Picture.
By cherry picking you could just as easily make the argument the 80s were darker than the 90s.
@@vampirewilde also Terminator, Blade Runner, The Shining, Scarface. All of them goofy, lighthearted, fun films from the 80s, right?
Hey Finn. You mention "Military Wives" a lot in your vids. We call them "Dependas" or "Dependapotomous" as in "Dependents of a military husband or wife." JIC you ever wanna use it in your vids. Love your stuff man!
You absolutely spot on with this. Great video.
Just an exemplary video all the way around. I had to slowly accept the idea that I was approaching music in a way more serious way than the vast majority of people, who are after having fun. The good news is that both sides of music consumers have something to teach each other. Absolutely LOVED this one, Finn!
My music tastes colliding! Great video yesterday, dude.
Did not expect to see Grady in the comments but I’m here for it.
Can we get a Finn and Grady Collaboration one day?
Thanks man, much appreciated!
I have never liked what the general population does as well as most people on here . Who cares if rock is popular .
I didn’t care when I was listening to sonic youth in the early 90s and I don’t care now
I think this is why Matt Cutshell is gaining traction. His emo’s not dead movement is connecting with us thirty somethings that remember when rock music was fun.
Agree it's fun how he pokes fun at the genre but pay homage to it at the same time!
Matt rocks
omg! Thank You! I've never heard of him so I looked him up as soon as I read your comment.
I WAS LAUGHING SO LOUD AT 4AM!
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Amazing video man. Can’t help but you notice you left out all the indie bands of the 2010s silver sun pickups, Matt and Kim, black keys, lumineers, tame impala, Mumford, cage the elephant, arcade fire, monsters and men etc. I’m 32 grew up on grunge/90s pop rock then moved on to pop punk/emo as the years went on and thought the 2010s indie scene was all of a lot of our natural progression rock wise. Overall I think you hit everything pretty well on the head keep up the great content.
Great stuff finn. Nobody has commented in a couple of years. I'm usually late to the party. Hope this helps your algorithms. I care 😁
Remember back in the days where Every Single movie featuring characters between the age of 16-30 had lots of rock songs on their OST for party scenes, chase scenes or fight scenes?
Yup, those days are gone and that says a lot about the state of the genre in the present :(
Yet, Boom by P. O. D is still the best party music ever
Hot take: music is no longer counter cultural, memes are the counter culture now.
soo true. I accept this explanation
damn, nailed it.
Nah, memes are mainstream culture. besides the surrealist memes, they're part of our daily lives.
incelcore is counter culture
That's why meme "rock bands" like Death Grips and 100 gecs are the closest thing we've had to rock stars in rock in 10 years
Been so bothered by this question for so long. Rick Beato also did a video on the same topic. I think yours hit the nail right on the head. As a hardcore rock fan, I'm still drawn most to the classic rock of the 60s and 70s. As different as the sounds may have been, I still consider the 5 main decades of rock music to be rather homogenised. And somehow I feel rock did lose the plot. The advent of genres like Mathrock seem like a breath of fresh air. Hopefully they'll help put us back on the map!
The problem is because things are so censored right now we have all forgotten how to laugh and have fun, including at ourselves.
yeah...it's called cancel culture and it got out of hand. I'm so sick and tired of it😒
@@nicholaschaney4002 Yea but artists dont realize that its only the minorities that cancel them. If they really started making music like they used to then their old fans, including new ones would love it. But unfortunately they're too scared to say or do anything about it, its like they'd get murdered if they get canceled :\
@@nicholaschaney4002 everything I don’t like it cancel culture and the more I don’t like something the more cancel culture it is
Everybody who says they hate cancel culture supports it when it’s something they believe in. Basically everybody is a hypocrite and we are all fucked, including myself. You made a true statement
@@kidkool27 This thread is hilarious. Cancel Culture is the reason Rock is dead now LOL
I think the massive gatekeeping really didn't help either. I enjoy so much of the music you spoke about (and did growing up) but I don't obsess over names, artists, what guitar they used on that one set they had in Denver, CO in 2009 and so people get on me sometimes about not "really liking the music". That stuff has never made sense to me. I don't even know the name of the last movie I saw or enjoyed and I can still tell you I enjoyed it!
If someone is wearing a band shirt, they don't have to list off their top 20 fav songs and name the full legal names of all the band members to wear it. FFS
Yeah I feel you, in 2000 when I was 14 I went to small (200pl) Sick of it all gig in Liverpool (UK). Me and my mate went straight from school, so I decided to wear my Fear Factory (favourite band) t-shirt under my school uniform. The whole day at school people were saying you're gonna get beat up, you're gonne get shanked. But at the gig all the Old crust punks were so nice to me and we all got up on stage and sang along. No gatekeeping there. Good times. I hate being old.
YUUUUUP
Yeah that is the worst thing that can ever happening in music
Gatekeeping is obsessing over names and artists NOT over what guitar they had. I'm a musician and I am legitimately interested in what drumsets, guitars, and amps they all had. For crying out loud, I had to look some of this stuff up for my music class. Don't confuse talent and gatekeeping. When he mentioned guitar nerding, he meant nerds like me are what's left of the scene because rock isn't mainstream anymore. So no, people like me didn't kill it. People stopped going after fun in rock and just started gatekeeping genres and artists to seem edgy. Nerds like me only go after the musical aspect
@@simonriley7049 I think being accepted for liking what you like and not having to explain yourself is what this is all about tbh. Love geeking out about gear! Having passion for your own interests is awesome. Judging others for not having the same depth of understanding and deeming them a “fake fan” for not having that knowledge contributes to gatekeeping. It sounds like you don’t gatekeep around this-thank you. But I think some people do, and it sucks.
Where’s Andrew WK in the conversation. He is literally the party guy.
That dude is a wanker. He played before a band I wanted to see at a festival a few years ago and he got booed off stage for not being able to even play any instruments because he was so wasted. People were throwing shit at him and he was throwing shit back. I was surprised he didn't try and fight everyone.
@@ThisIsDeth Sounds like a party guy rock start to me? A lot of artists have those moments. I think MGK is the biggest try hard 'wanker' around, and there are plenty of stories about him to back that up. Regardless I agree with his comments about rock not being fun anymore. The only difference between muscians like Andrew WK and MGK, is that the latter has a significantly bigger mainstream platform
Busy dating with Kat Dennings
when you said "Guess what year it was" early on in the video.... 2013 is the first number that popped into my head 😂
Maybe rock is following the historical trajectory of jazz in it's relationship to popular music.
Ruby rose in her underwear or some guy crying in the bathtub 😭
That's a tough one...
Both.
This is what dual monitors where created for 😁
Finn's Mom Yodeling In The Bathtub
If i wanted to watch porn I'd search up pornhub...ruby rose isn't that interesting.
All of the “rock and roll needs to be fun again” can be traced back to the explosion of Beatlemania. The four from Liverpool’s craft and presence attended to the emotional needs of hormonal baby boomers who grew in what was a war-razed continent/baby boomers who saw a young President of the United States of America whom they sort of identified get shot in the head on live television.
I feel that around 2023-2025 when the pandemic is receding catchy 2000s style pop rock will take the world by storm again.
By the way, YOU CAN write fun sounding songs about sad and dark subject matter if you know how to.
A big example would be "Semi-charmed life" by Third Eye Blind.
Shit, the Beautiful People was a fun song. Once Manson stopped having fun, his music started to suck.
I would argue that the main reason rock songs became boring is because the only bands creating rock songs in 2013 were guys who hadn't been teenagers since 1998 and the only things they had going on in their lives to sing about were divorce and raising kids alone. No new, young bands picked up the torch for Blink 182, Sum 41, Green Day, All Time Low, and Paramore because those new singers chose to become rappers or DJs instead. Consequently, there was no one to sing about teen angst and love anymore.
I know this is way to late to be involved in this conversation but something that I thought really jived with the whole theme of this video, especially the part about fun music videos is that Polyphia is fusing trap and hip hop with rock and prog metal and using fun videos (like look but don't touch) and just are funny in interviews and the guys (especially Tim) get current fashion. Now I know this math rock stuff isn't musically party music but I definitely think that bringing that fun aspect to their performances and stuff makes them more palatable to a wider audience.
What I'll never understand is why rock fans got MAD when MGK went on his rant about comfy shoes and rockstars. I think there are a lot of rock fans are secretly hoping that rock stays out of the mainstream because they want to keep this "I'm not like other girls" mentality. It's cringy as hell and it makes you wonder if a lot of rock fans actually like the genre or if they SAY they like it because it makes them seem "different."
Thank you for putting my thoughts in to text. Nerds ruined rock. Rock was best when the musicians were anarchists, and now they’re a hoard of angry redditors who need to shower more.
@@brendanjames2687 dude for REAL!
I would say it is more an addiction than wanting to be different. A great, tasty riff and a well crafted solo is not being outshined by thoughts of "ooh, this is different, and I am so cool". Most people who appreciate that, are being completely consumed by the music and really in a different place, just like a good high. Keeping rock out of mainstream is keeping it fresh and not part of a machine. Most non rock listeners can actually find the music too dark, and poo poo at the sound of cymbals and electric guitars. The non listeners are the prudes, trying to play a psychological trick by basically saying it's not what they want, it's not like welcome to the jungle and sweet child o mine (great songs), well some rock and metal will become very popular, but people can't handle loud music these days unless all the dBs are in the bass and sub bass region, which makes their butts jiggle. A lot of people don't even wanna listen to old rock and metal, so that argument fails that it's the musician's fault or the fans' fault entirely. Most people don't have the taste for it
@@nubinshred what the hell is keeping it fresh thing?
and people do listen to loud music, that's what EDM is for, and not all rock or metal is loud anyway.
really pretentious gatekeepers are the biggest problem with rock and metal nowadays
@@Notyourbis EDM is very very bass oriented, which aligns pretty well with what I wrote above. Also, I do like electronic music, so it was not a diss really. There are pretentious gatekeepers sure, but they are kind of a small % if you ask me, and everyone thinks they’re douchey and self absorbed. I honestly feel most casual listeners (people who are not obsessed with music and never were yet consume it frequently, to set a vibe) don’t have the taste for modern rock/metal. Imo music today shouldn’t try to copy the 80s music metaculture as that would be unoriginal and mostly a parody. I’m sorry if someone acted as a gatekeeper to you, screw that attitude. Keeping it fresh means, it is not beholden to follow a pattern, again the originality argument. Intra genre there are a lot of unintentional influencing of musical styles anyway, but I’m glad whatever musicians are putting out, it’s more of an expression of what they want rather than a record label telling them to make things more upbeat, when it’s not the band’s vibe
in the wise words of Adam Neely, "Repetition legitimizes" - but honestly you didn't NEED to repeat that "people like fun" because honestly that's EXACTLY the point. Fantastic outlook on the state of rock as usual. I didn't get into rock as a teen to vent my frustrations with a system of conformity. At least not on the surface. I got into it because it was loud, rambunctious, creative, and dammit, it was fun. I miss that side of rock music.
Repetition legitimizes
Excellent video PunkRock! This is why I sub to your channel.
I think you are pretty spot on, Here in Australia we have a bunch of pretty successful local rock bands and i think what makes them stand out is that they are fun.
(Skeggs, Violent Soho, Dune Rats, The Chats and more.)
"If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.”
― Emma Goldman.
That's so true. Rebellious music still need to be fun to hit home!
I was always super stubborn about the whole “rock is dead thing” because I didn’t want the music I love to be swept under the rug or something like that. But honestly watching your videos over the last year or so has educated me a lot on what music is popular and why. It’s also made me expand my music taste a lot! I love the classic stuff, but I am also really excited to see what the future has to offer. The things that MGK, Yungblud, and Mod Sun are doing right now are super dope, and I love seeing them bring punk and that rock and roll attitude back into the mainstream.
who would have thought that underground rappers will save punk rock one day ^_^
@@her0ju4na yeah they are far from underground rap. Both Yung Blood and MGK are multi Million dollar artists. And wouldn't say that they are saving it, but at least trying to plug the hole in the ship. All that needs to happen now are more artists trying to help the out
@@dwightbvg i wasnt really thinking of mgk and yung blood, they are just the tip of the iceberg. rappers like lil peep started this trend and they came pretty much out of nowhere.
Yes dude. Just put my thoughts into words for me
They are the only ones that are bringing something new to rock, that it's not generic. I think that someday post malone will make a rock album too.
I’m sitting in my corner listening to poison and buckcherry. Loved this video
Great video. I’m wondering what your thoughts are on Weezer and their place in rock history, as they are the first band I think of as “fun rock”. They seem to be in my sound background for decades, and yet hardly ever get mentioned when talking rock canon.
Thanks.
Coming from the UK where grime and pop music is usually what comes on the radio, i've found interestingly one band that is played at every party I've been to: The Arctic Monkeys. The culture shift they caused over here was immense and can still be felt years later as most people aged 16 to 30 will tell you. Not only did they make super catchy tunes that you can dance to but their lyrical content is incredibly relatable for teens coming of age. Whether you like rap or pop or edm most younger people in the UK will get down to 'I Bet You Look Good On The Dancefloor'. Unfortunately AM spawned thousands of copycat indie/rock bands that have saturated the genre so it's hard to find good new rock for a lot of people.
I would argue that their sound is reminiscent of 60's rock. I feel like everything is recycled, and young people now are like hippies. There's nothing wrong with that (I mean no disrespect), but it shows how the pendulum swings between energies.
@@paulmcgrath6118 i do distinctly remember their song knock a door run, which has a pretty hendrix feel imo. Its one of my favorites of their earlier stuff. One of the things i enjoy about arctic monkeys is every album has a unique sound too, they kept experimenting with every album.
The arms folded dude in the crowd trying to figure out what pick ups the guitarists is using comment had me rolling.
This video was amazing. I absolutely agree❤
MGK: "They wear comfortable shoes"
August Burns red: "Hold my flip-flops"
tri-state area camo pants cut into way above the legs shorts and extra small black zipup hoodie with american eagle flipflops-core checking in
Dont forget Parkway Drive
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@@andrebennett1596 painfully accurate lol
And of course, ABR aren’t about to get butthurt over MGK making a joke about shoes. Those guys know how to take the music seriously without taking themselves too seriously.
"...Some generic rock guy crying in the bathtub?"
Fuckin' killed me, hahaha
Great video! I am watching it one year later! I agree Rock needs to be fun again!
I do agree very much with this. Me being a metal head I still want to have fun while listening to music. I do think that MGK is going to revolutionize rock and hopefully open everyone else’s minds to something new. I love old metal and rock band’s myself but times change so why can’t music change? I’m excited for the new revolution and see where it goes in the future.
Need some "girls, girls, girls" type stuff. Dumb, fun, catchy stuff
May I introduce you to Steel Panther? If your tastes are a little more thrashed, perhaps Municipal Waste?
If your adventures require plate armor, maybe some Dragonforce?
If that's not enough, hopefully we get a new Tenacious D album sometime soon.
@@SpacemanXC you bet me to it steel panther great.
Alestrom
@Luke We live in an age where bands like Vulfpeck can sell out Madison Square Garden by virtue of their online presence. (if you havn't seen this i highly recommend, its here on youtube just search Vulfpeck)
Maybe its time we start viewing popularity differently. And maybe its up to us to be more active in finding things we like and supporting them.
If you want rock to be back in the mainstream. Forget bands, it will be solo artists
King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard are probably way too "out there" to have any mainstream appeal, but they are the epitome of fun rock music
THERE IS NO PLANET....B
OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEEEEE
I love quarters so much but music like that will never be mainstream forsure
They’re still popular, but yeah not many people who dont listen to their kind of music listen to them
Microtonal pop punk wave when
Fuzz, Meatbodies, etc. I'd really enjoy hearing more bands like these that take that fuzzy stoner/psych sound and put a little pep it its step. Like, music doesn't have to be "pop" to be fun. I imagine high energy, get the crowd moving, get the band moving, put a smile on everyone's faces.
It's funny because a lot of these rockers are doing that whole acoustic folk metal or whatever it is, genre. Bands like Devil makes three are getting huge recognition because you can actually sing along, dance, get drunk to or whatever.. Hopefully we make circle back around soon. Great video man, subbed
That shirt reminds me of count your blessings