you missed something important they all had great first albums that where great like rats and roaches which is a good album, Disturbeds the sickness they all had good and/or great debuts and road the wave of success from that
Nah. I haven't heard the term "butt rock" before. However I've referred to this genre as "bro-metal" for years. I just picture a bunch of frat boys hanging out, chugging beers wishing they had girls around while listening to this stuff playing xbox
Without bands like Breaking Benjamin, Staind, Three Days Grace, Linkin Park, and Evanescence, I wouldn’t be the rock and metal fan that I am today. Not all of those bands hold up for me now, but I still have a lot of appreciation for them.
Same! I Only Listened To Butt Rock & Mainstream Pop For Over 80% Of My Life, Until 2020 When I Discovered Electronic Music & My Music Taste Was Turned Upside Down. Breaking Benjamin Was My Favorite Band For Almost 4 Years Until 2020 When Melodic Bass (Seven Lions, Illenium), DNB (Pendulum, Metrik), & Progressive/Festival House (Martin Garrix, Alan Walker) Ruled My Year End Lists. Do I Still Listen To Shinedown & Breaking Benjamin On A Regular Basis? Hell No! Occasionally? Yeah, Every Few Months I’ll Listen To Them. Despite My Music Taste Moving In A Different Direction, I’ll Always Be Grateful For What Butt Rock Did For Me.
@@namibianheaddress6989 I first noticed this with Breaking Benjamin. They are always on the radio, and have huge streaming numbers but honestly this is the first music commentator i've heard mention them. i appreciate it.
I wonder how much hate for "gateway bands"/butt rock from music nerds is motivated by retrospective self-cringe? I used to talk so much shit about Evanescence, HIM, MCR, and all the other bands that first got me into rock and metal, but I wasn't even really thinking about the music - I just had this weird idea that they were something I was supposed to grow out of, like unironically blasting 'Bring me to Life' would be the music taste equivalent of showing up to my Real Adult Job (TM) in a black tutu and knee-high Jack Skellington socks. Free time and nostalgia during quarantine finally brought me back to those bands, and I realized that (A) they are still great, and (B) enjoying them is way less immature than trying to pretend I don't to seem "cool".
@@staceysaurusrex2630 there’s definitely some bands in there that haven’t aged as well (Staind especially doesn’t do it for me as much as they used to), but there’s a lot that I still think are great. I think it just comes down to this: like what you like, and who cares what other people say.
It's a shame that's it's being labeled as butt rock. Sure it's not super complicated, but it's catchy and fun and tons of people love it. I don't understand why we can't just let people like the music they like without being elitist about it.
My issue is when people just bounce around a corporate-crafted popular-radio bubble, not exploring, just sticking with the safe popular simple-minded regurgitations of music.
@@watamatafoyu And? Some people are happy with listening to radio music, oh no! just let them be? Some people feel comfortable around it and have no reason to explore maybe because music as a whole isn't that important to them. I don't even like butt rock (and most rock as a whole besides metal) and always try to explore new genres, but if people don't do that, that's none of my business is it?
@@watamatafoyu Corporate crafted popular radio? Seriously bro this isn't 2005. People have infinite choice thanks to spotify etc. It's popular for a reason.
When I was deployed Seether came.out to the middle of the bumfuck 115 degrees at night desert to play for a bunch of us dirty ass soldiers and marines. I greatly enjoyed the show and love that they did a free show they didn't have to do.
Same here Metallica stopped doing thrash metal in the 90's and started making butt rock load is my new favorite Metallica album because production is great compared to ride the lightning which is also one of my favorite Metallica albums
I was born in 1981 and growing up I was a huge Metallica fan..... I mean Huuuuuuge. I had a different Metallica shirt for everyday of the week. The first album I ever bought when I was seven or eight was.... And Justice For All. But I will say I was not disappointed with Load at all. It was amazing great great album. Reload was ok as well . I actually saw that tour. But I will say I did not like St. Anger at all. And to be honest I never listen to the full album.
Skillet played at my Christian camp when I was twelve. They were really chill people and I got their autograph. I'm 35 now and was amazed to hear them on the radio about ten years ago. 😂 I still love them.
I've seen Skillet a dozen times between Sonshine Fest in Wilmar MN where they regularly headlined and the now defunct Christian nightclub Club 3 Degrees. They have the most incredible pyrotechnics I've seen and they are second only to Switchfoot as my favorite live act.
Hey, relatable comment. A couple years ago it was Skillet, Shinedown, Three Days, all those bands. Over the past few months I've actually really gotten into metalcore. Erra and Thornhill are like my top picks now.
Bands like 3DG, BB, Disturbed, and Skillet were the reason why I listen to bands like Behemoth, Cradle of Filth, and Gojira today. They will always have a special place in my heart.
Honestly, I’d like to point out how diverse the fan base for these butt rocks bands really is. Sure you have the working class blue collar army dad listeners, but you also have the suburban middle class kids, the anime community, etc who listen to this stuff. I feel like the genre has also served as an entryway into other genres of rock and metal for many people.
I always considered this to be the current form of popular rock music like alternative in the 90s. If rock was pop music today like it was in the 60s - 90s, Butt Rock would be today's version of Bruce Springsteen or Everclear.
True that. My entry into metal was Disturbed, and I still love their older stuff. People generally need to ease into bands like Cannibal Corpse, Rings of Saturn, Cattle Decapitation, and Slaughter to Prevail, and the Butt Rock bands like Disturbed and Three Days Grace definitely do the job.
@@76Minuteman 100%. I've thought about this progression many times. I was listening to Skillet, Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin, etc. when I was 12-14, and then I heard Demon Hunter, which I think bridged the gap to music with screaming. From there I got into Abandon All Ships and The Devil Wears Prada, which opened the floodgates to the Warped Tour scene. By the end of highschool I was looking for something heavier and a year out of highschool I was listening to everything from hardcore to doom metal. But none of that would have happened if I'd never heard The Last Night by Skillet. 😂
I really love how you always throw compliments in with your criticisms of these bands. Nobody else does that. These bands aren't writing masterpieces but can you imagine the world without them? While I don't listen to these bands, these songs are tied to so many great memories. Great video, subbed!
idk. I never heard of "butt rock." Honestly most of the bands he named are like alt rock bands. IDK why he mentioned Hoobastank and some other band I never listened to.
@@ozzygilliam9194 They're call butt rock because they've been playing on every "nothing but rock" rural radio station for the last 20 years. Yes alot of them have different classifications, but they're grouped together because of this. And it's been driving me crazy for 20 years. You look at the rock stations between the 70s-90s and they were constantly evolving with new fresh bands. Now we just listen to the same old songs a thousand times, with some new singles sprinkled in from these same butt rock bands. At work, I've been reduced to listening to the pop classics stations with Fleetwood Mac, MJ, Tears for Fears, ect. because at least its not something I've heard a million times. Even been listening to the classic country stations for something new to me.
One summer my friends and I had camped by a lake in eastern Oregon when our neighbors stopped by from the next campsite. They were straight up trucker hat-wearing torn jean good ol' boys who were loudly listening to Nickelback and Saliva at their camp. My friends and I were into thrash and doom metal, so I put on some of the bluesier groovier doom metal I had and they really dug it. They were nice dudes and I would actually prefer their company over a lot of smug elitist metalheads that I've come across over the years.
I love metal (and most other genres) and metal heads can be the most lovely and positive people, BUT man!!! some really love to smell think own farts and think only what they are listen to is good. Just look at hard core Tool fans, some of those are effing annoying (Tool is one of my favortie bands, i just try to avoid beign one of "them")
I listen to the heaviest of heavy music and I still love "Butt Rock." Say what you wanna say about the genre but Shinedown, Three Days Grace and Breaking Benjamin put on one hell of a show
@@slevingarganera8375 Funny, i've always considered 12 Stones with such bands as 3 Doors Down, Nickelback, Theory of a Deadman as pure classic butt rock, and they were not mentioned in the video. It's just a joke tag anyway so people claim any commercially successful rock bands they don't like much as butt rock without attention to sound.
@robert will Their needs to be a style that combines the cloud rap style of Bones, Asap Rocky, Dylan Ross, Earl Sweatshirt, Isiah Rashad, Corbin aka Spooky Black aka Lil Spook, Lil Peep, Swan Lingo, Velvetears, and Kid Cudi with the Alternative metal/rock structure of Breaking Benjamin, Chevelle, Three Days Grace, Avenged Sevenfold, Three Doors Down, Cold, Seether with the aggressiveness of The Used, and the heaviness of Lamb Of God. While also throwing in a little bit of NF and Mogli The Iceberg.
Yeah. Cardi B will win a Grammy after previously being a stripper and backpackers (hiphop version of the metal fan that shits on anything not "real metal") will write a million think pieces about how rap is dead. Elitists are everywhere.
Rewatching this video for the third time, and I think every rock and metal fan on the internet needs to watch this. It's such a great, refreshing perspective that's grounded in real, hard data that you present here that really, really challenges, in a very salient way, the prevailing narrative about rock and metal that exists online.
All my friends who are into a lot of butt-rock bands have a few things in common: 1. They aren't into any scene and aren't trying to musically fit in with anybody. 2. They primarily listen to music in their cars. 3. They like the balance of distorted guitars and melodic choruses. 4. They do not engage in social media often. 5. They all like EDM, too.
I knew mad guys in Colorado that mainly listened to EDM and Three Days Grace hahaha. I remember rolling around Denver in my buddy's F150 listening to I am Machine
As elitist as metalheads can be, I don't know a single rock listener who was introduced to whatever they're into, through something other than radio rock. It's a stepping stone for most of us. And we tend to forget this, which is why so many people look down at bands like BabyMetal, when they should be celebrating how many people they've turned on to metal.
I had an online exchange with a guy who was turning out to be an elitist metalhead who of course thought only metal is the valid and worthy genre. When I brought in the argument that taste is subjective he stopped replying. Can't say I'm mad about it.
@@KamalianCiranoush seems about right, its why I stay out of the comment section on metal videos. Elitism and people arguing about what subgenre it is...
I went to high school with Brent Smith, the singer from Shinedown. We were in the same friends group. Now I don't really like the band, but I'm proud of my old buddy. He use to come over to my house and we would jam out. Now he's a legit rock star, and that's all he ever wanted to be. I think it's awesome someone from the sh!thole that is south Knoxville actually made it in the music biz!
Shinedown played at a festival I was at a couple years back. I thought it was hilarious how most of their fans were these super conservative, hyper masculine dudes but the singer's stage moves were so stereotypically feminine. Strutting around the stage with his hands on his hips, that weird crouch thing with one hand on the microphone and one in the air, clapping his hands in the air while dancing, etc. No offense to him, everyone gets in their zone onstage, but I just thought it was funny how his stage moves contrasted with the overall image of the band and their fans.
My favorite band, I am a 54 year old grandma that leans hard left on most things I just found it funny that I'd never heard the Butt Rock thing before and feel so called out LOL I see them every chance I get and attend a 4 day festival every year because if they don't play I see other bands I DO love as well. Fortunately for me they are playing Louder than Life this year and I have VIP tix! So I am super hyped.
Skillet and Breaking Benjamin were my life for several years. Even if I don't like all of their more recent albums (mainly targeted at Skillet), I will always love that they helped me transition into the metal head I am now. Solid video!
Couldn't have said it better. I hate this... "osmosis", where every modern band, no matter where it starts from, ends up becoming butt rock (or even pop). So we end up with a huge butt rock scene, and leftovers of their original scenes (be it metal, nu metal, metalcore, etc). If we wanted to listen to butt rock, we'd go to it in the first place and listen to the pros, right? Not have our favorite band (d)"evolve" into it. And then the bands get all surprised when fans start hating on them, because they feel cheated. It sucks...
They've gotten better since ben came back from throat surgery a few years ago. Dont get me wrong when I heard So Cold 15 years ago I became a fan but for some reason their newer releases have knocked it out of the park each time. Ember is fucking amazing. Red cold river still gives me chills when that chorus kicks in
They're one of my favorite bands. They've never made a bad album (well the debut is just okay..) and I can't say that about many other bands that might file under butt rock.
It didn’t help despite other singles and even new songs, the station would play the same single from 3 years ago. They do it for bigger bands like Metallica. They still play Enter Sandman more than any other song. From what I’ve heard personally, pop and country stations are even worse. They will play new stuff but play it so much in a single day it’s old by Tuesday
There actually was a period of time where skillet was pretty different than what they normally did. Collide and comatose (in Terms of sound and writing style) were their heaviest albums and that was their experimental phase. Years prior they had a grunge/industrial metal style with heavy keyboard/electronics going on. Super different from the in your face grittiness with collide. With collide and comatose they completely dropped the whole electronic thing and went full on nu metal/alternative rock. After that they just started combining both sounds into each album to please the oldschool fans and the people that like the heavier stuff. Its honestly a genius move. Which explains why they are still going after being around since 96
@@ActionNerdGo yes! I commented on someone else’s post about this but my dad was their sound guy for years while we lived outside of Memphis. As an adult, I was shocked to hear them on Octane. Lol
Breaking Benjamin do not get anywhere near the love they deserve from the alt/nu/butt metalcore scene. Their unmoshable headbanger breakdowns and tempos seriously shaped the entirety of the 2010s metalcore scene, especially the post-djent nümetalcore stuff. BB were already doing shit like that in 2004. It's clear someone in that band (probably at least one of their guitarists) knows their shit about the alt/metal scene, cause they were doing 'djent" style riffs when it was still in the tech/prog metal scene in the mid 00s, not to mention they already are basically mainstream accessible Helmet. Really good band. I loved growing up on these butt rock bands alongside the mainstreamo bands, made for a fun adolescence. Couldn't be more stoked that buttrockcore seems to be what the next stage is gonna be for hardcore scene. What with bands like Absence of Mine and Fleshwater taking from that kind of thing, although from the 90s (AIC & Deftones) I feel like it's only a matter of time before they start sounding like Crossfade and Three Days Grace. Also, no one talks about the crossover between mainstreamo and butt rock, how they both kinda influenced each other to some degree, or had similar influences, like how 3DG cite Sunny Day Real Estate as an influence. Bands like 10 Years or 32 Leaves from my state were super underrated and definitely had elements of that emo post hardcore sound in there. On the other side of the coin, seems obvious how bands like Thrice, 18V, Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, and whoever else took from butt rock to make more accessible songs. Anyway cool video as always!
real ones know that they got into heavier shit thanks to breaking ben. they had some honestly crushing riffs back then. even diary of jane has near djent level chugging.
Yeah exactly. I can understand maybe bands like Shinedown or Papa Roach being "butt rock" but Breaking Benjamin really isn't of this kind imo. They're a lot more alt-metal oriented with even a few hints of prog here and there.
I think Three Days Grace is pretty similar to Breaking Benjamin in that regard (at least their old stuff). I would agree that these bands and some other's influenced a lot of the metalcore bands that have had the staying power to be around today and to still be decently popular. For instance, the newest Motionless in White album(which I loved) has songs that are heavily inspired by these bands and even one that sounds incredibly similar to a heavier Breaking Benjamin song. I also 100% got into metalcore and heavier bands in general because of these bands.
@@nu-metalfan2654 whoa, you're telling me post-grunge was influenced by grunge?! No way!! Next you're gonna tell me all the early 2000s emo/post hardcore bands were also influenced by grunge...
Nu-metal is butt rock. All this Limp Bizkit, Korn (maybe besides their debiut, self-titled, 1996 album), Linkin park (but had some good rock tracks though) , Papa Roach, Disturbed, etc. Why? Because rock, by definition, is supposed to be against real problems, social, political, psychical, emotional etc. Nu-metal isn't against anything. It is artificial rebelion with heavy, disturbed guitar, with songwriters searching for new material more watching their good-looking body, tatoos, hair-cut and shining reflection in mirror then observing people's behavior , reading books, newspapers, etc.
Andrzej Nowak Yeah, there are some nu metal bands that go along with the butt rock notion (I mean, there were even some that were in this video). However, there are a lot, if not tons, of bands from the nu metal genre that are more than just simple butt rock.
A while ago i found a nu metal spotify list and wanted to give it a try and see how many of these songs i remember. God damn, it was painful listening to. They were all so bad, but i did realize that Disturbed was relatively decent, maybe that's why they are still successful 20 years later.
I've been a huge fan of Breaking Benjamin since their first album. Seeing it in context it does sort of make sense that they would be in this fold, especially considering their work after 'Phobia.' I like MBA's take on it though. Go write one of their albums if its so easy and watch the money pour in.
@@JohnDoe-gy5dr - I knew of Butt-rock as a term used to describe 80's hair metal bands. His explanation of of describing "butt-rock" as more modern-ish bands makes a good deal of sense.
Same, they're my favorite band in fact. And knowing that they're considered "butt rock" will never change that, and it shouldn't for you either. MBA really put it well in this video. Just because it's butt rock, doesn't mean it can't still be meaningful to you or effortless objectively
I figured out a good reason that a lot of this stuff was also embraced by the “emo”/“goth”/“scene” kids. It’s all about the angst in the lyrics. There’s not a whole lot of disconnect between The Used and Papa Roach.
Yup. When I grew up with both butt rock and pop-punk/emo/core music, there was a LOT of overlap in the fans, and many of the bands themselves drew from common influences. It's telling how many of those "nostalgia compilations for emo kids" videos often feature the likes of Three Days Grace, Evanescence, Papa Roach, Breaking Benjamin, Linkin Park, etc along with Fall Out Boy, Green Day, Blink-182, Yellowcard, Paramore, My Chemical Romance, Taking Back Sunday, Panic! At the Disco, etc.
My dad has gone to four Breaking Benjamin concerts over the years. I went to the last one with him (our last concert for 2019 and before our 2020 concert hopes were dashed). He said that the band has become more and more comfortable and humble over the years and feel less commercial than their first concert he went to. Also my dad leapt over two rows of seats to touch the lead singer’s shirt when he went into the crowd. He was more happy about that than he probably should’ve been.
It seems like those who coined the term "butt rock" are those whose music taste got stuck in 1994 and think that everything that came after is pure, unadulterated trash. Yeah! Some of these bands are bad and corny, but I think some of them are quite good.
No I don’t, and I thought some of these bands are good and most of this music is played by talented individuals, and there was plenty of butt rock in the 70’s and 80’s. That being said, I’ve heard this stuff so much, I feel that I would happy not hearing it again
@@jacobkoppel4820 as are you and your love for inbred 90’s music. Can’t really dig less talented versions of KC, and other originals that were obviously in severe mental distress as their early deaths demonstrate. I think Chevelle has to be the most blatant copy cat, the younger white bread version of the original. Unfortunately as radio was consolidated into a few monopolies the playlist got more repetitive, even classic rock stations Suffered. And the whole anti solo movement was the dumbest overlap of politics in music I’ve ever witnessed, and so we were robbed of solos by probably the greatest overall metal talent of Pantera’s guitarist, sll cause The guitarist for sound garden met a guitarist that at least pretended to be a mercenary and like to solo a lot? But maybe the music was a reflection of two of the lamest administrations in a s hundred years. Yeah I guess it was all about bad choices like which bands the labels pushed. The Obama years sucked, but I’m not convinced that McCain wouldn’t have lead us into more Middle East wars, and Romney was nearly identical Obama
I never realized Breaking Benjamin, TDG, Seether, Disturbed, or Papa Roach counted as Butt rock bands. Learn something new everyday. Also, about more typical butt rock bands (I guess), like Nickelback, they have great instrumentation and the song structure is awesome. They just happen to include some of the worst lyrics you will ever hear.
@@elijahcademartori9854 Oh, absolutely. Seether and TDG do as well. I was talking about Nickelback, or other bands like TOAD or Buckcherry which are the obvious choices for butt rock.
@@wolfinsheepsclothing842 by TOAD, do you mean Theory of a Deadman? I honestly enjoy a lot of their stuff musically (except for whatever it is they've been up to with their recent stuff,) but yeah, their lyrical content is pretty bland and it makes them hard to really listen to on a consistent basis. I don't think that their music is bad, but it gets very repetitive if you're more into the lyrical side of things. That's a band that I really haven't heard many people mention aside from Medicate. Never really hear anyone talk about their older stuff.
Bands like Nickelback who are also buttrock include Theory of a Deadman, Creed and Buckcherry. So feel free to die inside whenever you hear Bad Girlfriend and Crazy Bitch.
@@shreknskrubgaming7248 welp... TOAD is the NICKLEBACK OF CANADA so... It makes seens🤣🤣 And BTW their early albums are good for me but their latest PoP'ish album is like🤮
The reason there's a disconnect between music influencers and what the fans want is exactly what you said. Classism. It's really common thing to write off entire groups of people in red states as uneducated yokels.
@sfairraid 13 in 2020, Cali GDP is #1 by a mile, and makes almost double what Texas produces. NY is at #3 above florida at #4 in gdp, so it's not 'just' Red States carrying our country.
There's definitely something to this with regard to this, but to chalk it up to simply just "classism" is to completely ignore the actual material conditions that make up class. The average worker in West Virginia who listens to Shinedown probably has more common class interest with the average barista in NYC listening to Neutral Milk Hotel than they do with say, the guy who owns the local lumberyard.
"Crawling in the Dark", "Out of Control", and "Same Direction" by Hoobastank hold up incredibly well, 20 years later. Now I gotta go revisit all these guys
Holy shit, Skillet is still around? They played at our church in the 90s and we (my dad and l )drove them around southern California to the rest of their shows.
Yeah, and they're huge. Although they sound nothing like their albums, and John Cooper is the only guy you'd recognize, they've gone through a lot of line-ups.
@@daleonov Yeah, they changed out their drummer back in I think 2008 for Jen Ledger (truly one of the best investments/moves the band ever made, she is a great drummer and side project is good aswell), and they got a new lead guitarist back in 2012, but their current lineup has been solid for nearly a decade now. If you get a chance to see them live, do it! I saw their last show before quarantine shut everything down and I nearly broke my neck from headbanging so hard!
@@animal1439 Skillet puts on some of the best produced and best sounding live shows I've seen. I will always buy tickets when they are near town and they are always affordable unless they are part of a festival or opening for another "bigger" band. They've crossed over in popularity between Christian and non-Christian fans and keep it commercial, and they do it well. I rarely skip tracks on their albums and their older stuff is still just as listenable today as it was a decade ago. That says something... same with Breaking Benjamin. My biggest concert regret is not making the drive to see Skillet and BB together on their tour.
@@Failtasmagoria Everything Skillet has put out after and including Collide has been really solid. I think they hit Gold for three records in a row with Collide, Comatose, and Awake, but I am still finding things to like in their newer releases as well. Reach, Save Me, and Victorious of the new record slap really hard and are definitely worth your time!
@@animal1439 I saw them with old guitarist, but I think they already had Jen on drums. And seen them with current lineup once (or twice) as well! But not a fan of recent albums, so missed their latest couple tours.
6:35 "Because, guess what? Nobody cares how hard your song is to play. They just want something they can sing along to." Such great advice. I have to remind myself of this every time I'm writing for my pop punk band. Don't overcomplicate it. You're not in a tech/prog deathcore band. Keep it simple and catchy.
@@christianwarner3360 That's true. I still hold Breaking Benjamin in pretty high regard because of that. I've never heard someone do minor electronic stuff with unique guitar work that seamlessly. It's just really good. I wish a lot of metalcore bands today would consider what they did.
critics hate it? elitists hate it? Then I'm probably gonna fucking loving it! I don't care if its hard rock, thrash metal, punk, pop, motown, classical, whatever. just give me the music. I will not be defined by a genre label, nor will I let someone ELSE dictate what MY feelings about something should be. I will not let someone else demean me because I like something they don't. They can take that bullying bullshit elsewhere. In January, I saw Evanescence, in August, i'm going to see Imagine Dragons, and tomorrow night i'm going to see Breaking Benjamin, with Seether, Lacey Sturm, and Starset. My first show was Aerosmith, the group I've seen live most is NSYNC. If the music makes me feel good, then thats all that matters to me. Whether its the same ole thats been around for decades, or brand new artists, then count me in. and yes lol, i'm 40 something, and damn right I will pay to get what I want (even getting VIP packages at shows). I invest in what makes me happy. Fuck what anyone else thinks.
The issue is rock and metal is a community that hates itself. People tear each other apart over which band is better, what genre x band is and frown on success. If a band makes it to the radio they are sell-outs. I've grown to really dislike the mentality that rock and metal heads have.
The whole idea that 'mainstream success = selling out' is insane. Isn't every band trying to sell enough records and tickets to quit their day jobs and make music for a living? If 'not selling out' means 'working a deadbeat job and eating top ramen while losing money on every record and tour' I'll pick selling out any day of the week, thanks.
shanknolan Exactly. I mean Travis Scott signs a deal with McDonalds and everyone supports it but you know damn well if literally any rock or metal artist did that people would hate it. It’s stupid.
Don’t get the fans started on the Nightwish singers, Metallica albums, old vs new metal/rock, etc. Also I’ve heard fans get mad because their band played in front a bigger crowd than a club show and say they sold out
While I get your point about the fans, they are also often the type of people who are all "pop music bad" and think rap "isn't real music," which is pretty toxic itself, and its own form of pretention. Think of those really cringey metal memes about Justin Beiber from 10 years ago, and then imagine the people who still post them in 2020.
Just go to any paparoach, disturbed etc. video from back then with 300 dislikes and youll likely find a comment like "300 Justin Beiber fans disliked this video". Damn those were so annoying hahah.
it does make sense in a few, select, situations. country music is one of them. the problem there isnt so much making music people like, it's making THAT music and calling it country. turn on a country station and if it isnt an oldies station, chances are the music is barely country. 9/11 made patriotism very popular. at the time, country had a monopoly on patriotic music. more people started listening, gaining the attention of new money hungry execs. those execs brought their own producers. those producers knew then, and still know jack shit about country. they know pop. some know hip hop. as a result, you get colt ford and taylor swift... those 2 sum up the problem with country in a nutshell.
@@dippst Switch Colt Ford with Luke Bryan. Colt definitely has a following but not nearly as much as Luke, or Blake Shelton and Jason Aldean. To make a college football analogy, those three are like Bama, Ohio State and Clemson in the FBS, they're the top dogs. Colt Ford is like North Dakota State in the FCS, a big dog held in high regard but isn't quite at the same level as the main players. TLDR he's 1B, not 1A
@@timhefty504 see, those 3 have at least had legit country songs. blake's first album had 2 instant classics. now he's trying to pretend he's half the age he really is. luke and jason are just following the $$.
As if Luke Bryan wasn't already bad then enter Florida Georgia Line. Literally a pandering pop group. Idk what's worse. Pop/bro country or pop. Probably the country.
Love the inclusion of Halestorm. That’s gotta be one of the friendliest fan communities I’ve ever been a part of, and the band themselves are all such kindhearted people. Seen em live three times (so far) and there are people from all walks of life, age groups, whatever at their shows. There are a lot of places where I don’t “belong”, and a Halestorm show is a place where everyone belongs. Everyone is welcome. It’s refreshing.
I agree with the inclusion when talking about the fan base, for sure. I've never really thought of their sound as being similar to the other bands mentioned here though.
Halestorm does fit in the sense that the music is full of hooks and very accessible. Of course if you have a voice like Lzzy Hale’s, you don’t need much more.
The part about being inclusive is so damn real. When I was younger and getting into "real" metal, so many wrote me off as a fake fan because I loved Slipknot, Korn, and Papa Roach at the time. If someone wants to listen to a style of music you like: don't be a douche. Also, I have no problem admitting I enjoy a lot of these bands; whether it's cool or not. I'm 35, I don't have time to care if what I listen to is considered "cool" or not.
I went to a very small punk/metal show when I was in high school, probably 20-30 people in attendance, if that. Small enough that we were standing right next to the band (Alexisonfire) as they were setting up. My friend and I were talking about maybe getting tickets to Ozzfest that summer, and their guitarist chimed into the conversation to make fun of us for that. Definitely put a sour taste in my mouth for that band moving forward.
I remember being maybe 19 and being afraid to admit I liked Linkin Park because it definitely wasn't acceptable for a hardcore girl to like nu metal. It wasn't until I saw Hatebreed (one of three times that week) play a show the night before their Ozzfest show and admit they had hung out with Linkin Park the night before that I felt I could even admit my love for them. I hate to think that I might have been that judgey person at some point who looked down on others. Shinedown is also one of my favorite bands and as a middle aged woman at this point, I don't care who sees my t-shirt these days.
Gatekeeping is just exhausting. My dad (who I just wanna say is a really great guy outside of being a music snob) was a punk rocker in the late 70's/early 80's, and has always found everything I like a little too polished for his taste. His take is that "*real art isn't supposed to be pretty, its supposed to be raw, its supposed to challenge you and make you feel something". We've learned to agree to disagree.
@@handoverthemoon Shinedown have some really amazing songs and Brent's voice is just... 'Asking for it' is my favourite song by them, that chorus is just so mighty.
I know the feel. I've got a pretty good amount of "scene cred" for how long I've been part of it, and I still get shit on for enjoying Gojira and Lamb of God.
You can find some people using the “ post-grunge “ therm out there to describe butt rock bands, but there is the “ alternative metal “ therm too, to describe bands like Breaking Benjamin, Cult To Follow etc.
As a metal kid, Breaking Benjamin is one of the few radio rock bands I can enjoy. They have some cool parts and I think Ben has a great voice. Its hard for me to think of them as butt rock IMO.
That's Avenged Sevenfold for me. I grew up on them, basically my first introduction to music verging on metal. I still think City of Evil and Nightmare are great, but they definitely fit this category now.
My problem with them was when my wife and I saw them live. While we like the band it felt like we wasted $75 lol. It's like they were just going through the motions, there was no energy.
@@Vini-zv3lr yes! Every now and then, when I’m tired of two steps and breakdowns, I’ll go on a butt rock binge and Breaking Benjamin always comes back into rotation
@@doomusrlc to be fair, they play a lot of shows. Benjamin Burnley also has some chronic health conditions. He had to start letting other members sing more. He also plays less guitar than before, at least the show I went to.
Some 90’s and 00’s rock bands stood the test of time for me and some didn’t, but I’ve got nothing but mad respect for anyone still doing their thing 20-30+ years in.
Haha... Classic. Friend of mine back in High School grabbed the mic used by Principal for lunch announcements and did that part of the song.. loud as hell... and he was actually not too bad at it.. Later that day he got called into the office.. and he said the Principal said to him... all serious like. “Well, Robert... I have reports that today during lunch you used the microphone that’s there for lunch announcements and made a very loud - “Oooo-a-a-a-aahh” sound...” We still laugh about it to this day...
"Alternative music... started making music for other bands instead of the fans." Truth. Same thing happened to jazz when guys like Coltrane and Davis started playing hard bop and then modal jazz. You couldn't sing along, dance to it, or really even get the full sound out of your car's dinky McCarthy-era speakers. It was music for musicians to listen to -- with scotch in-hand -- while seated in a chill lounge or by the record player at home. The saxophone died while the guitar, rock, and r&b took over. History repeats itself repeats history.
Talent =/= sales Sales =/= talent I’m a mainstream rock radio DJ. There’s a lot of crap that gets played. But there’s also some talented musicians in there too. Rock radio does what we do (good or bad) for all the reasons you mentioned. It gets ratings and breeds loyalty among the listeners. Two things that advertisers (the financial engine of any form of media) love.
I love butt rock, just straight up my favorite go to music. Its comfort music to me and i literally never get sick of it. Idgaf if its good music or bad music or "critically acclaimed", its good to my ears n thats all i care abt.
Is it really genius, when you have record labels paying a lot of money to keep your song in rotation on their radio station? Then, after the one millionth time hearing the song you program the audience to think " it must be good because they keep playing it".
I enjoy Butt Rock (Shinedown, 3 days Grace, Seether, 5 Five Finger Death Punch , Bring me the Horizon, Asking Alexandria, Seether, A7X , etc.) It's some of my favorite stuff right now and yes I also listen to Octane on Sirius xm to listen to current stuff and newer upcoming bands , its a great way to find new bands. Thanks for sharing Finn.
Yeah a couple of these bands felt a little out of place compared to the rest of the group. Breaking Ben and Sevenfold were two of the big ones. I can see where the relation comes from, they both have songs with massive radio appeal, but both of these bands are in another place musically.
I would argue that a lot of these bands write deep music, they just aren't as well known or they aren't interpreted as deep because the song is catchy. Dear Agony by Breaking Benjamin hits me deep in the feels every time. One of my favorite Papa Roach songs is about admitting that you need help and they have a lot of songs addressing substance abuse. Shinedown wrote an entire frickin album about getting help with mental illness. Halestorm (not mentioned by name but shown in the video) has songs about being queer. I think that a lot of fans of these bands find the music relatable and that's why they still listen
Seether! You guys forgot Seether! Shaun Morgan is an excellent lyricist. Very good with words and most of their songs aren't generic sounding at all. Songs like No Jesus Christ. Also very instrumentally driven too. Their early stuff was especially high quality IMO.
Dude is also calling nu metal, which is this genre of music, butt rock. Wtf! Dude should give an actual listen to these songs before douching all over the place!
Rediscovered my love for Breaking Benjamin a few weeks ago. Makes me think back to the mid 2000s playing Halo with friends, classic RUclips vids...man...now if you don't mind I'm gonna go listen to Breath for the next hour.
I’ve seen a couple “Butt Rock” bands live. They put on a hell of a show. The crowd loves what’s going on and it’s an amazing feeling when you and a whole stadium are singing the same song with the band.
Main reason I love going to their shows. Shinedown, Papa Roach, Breaking Benjamin, etc always put on good shows and there is just an overall good vibe at the show.
pnjsmom26 I’ve seen Shinedown open for KISS in 2013 in a stadium. Seen My Darkest Days open for Three Days Grace right before Adam left the band and MDD broke up. Then saw Fozzy and Three Days Grace a few years ago at a Casino. Such a great time!
You know who loves the show and sings along? Justin Beiber fans. This is the whole point of live shows, it's not some unique fact to butt rock. It doesn't matter what kind of music you're talking about, the crowd is full of people who want to be there. I'd rather hear from someone who saw a live show without already knowing the words to all the songs. All you prove is that people who already like something will still like it live.
@@simpleanswer8954 Wow, I bet you're fun at parties. You just had to be THAT GUY, eh? How about this. Voodoofest 2004. I'd heard of Shinedown but couldn't name a single song. They were first on that day and I caught part of their set standing in line to get in (asshole security not understanding how Canadian cigarette packages work held me up, but I digress). I rocked out to the rest of their set because those boys BROUGHT IT. Brent's voice was incredible back then. I mean, it still is but he sounds different now. I made a point to look into them after that day, and I've been a fan since, and have enjoyed their musical growth. Alter Bridge made a fan of me that day, too. I knew one song and didn't know any words beyond "Will they open their eyes...". Cowboy Mouth and Kid Rock sucked, and Velvet Revolver (who I'd traveled all the way from Canada to New Orleans to see) was just ok. A good show is a good show, whether or not you know the band or the words. I've been to 3 concerts where I knew the chorus of 1 song but had a great time the whole night. I've been to shows where I knew all the words and was bored shitless because the band was phoning it in. It's got NOTHING to do with how familiar one is with the music. Is it fun? Are your fellow audience members cool? Is the band there to give you a show or pick up a paycheck? THAT dictates whether you're going to have a good time. Knowing the songs can be an added bonus, sure, but not at all necessary.
@@Mystress1980 I wasn't asking for someone's life story. I said "I'd rather hear..." It was a statement of general preference, not a request for more input. I could beat it anyway. You're still talking about a fan of a type of music liking the same type of music from a new band. You're already dressed like everyone else in the crowd. Show me some poor kid that showed up at a Slayer concert when they didn't even like metal before that. That's the opinion that really means something when you're talking live performance. Show me someone who had their musical taste affected. Not just someone who got introduced to a new band. I didn't like Slipknot until I saw them at Ozzfest, but I didn't consider that to be a stretch. I was already there to see a bunch of metal.
The metal community needs to respect these bands because they are what’s drawing people to the genre and the gateway to all the “good” stuff everyone seems to like but nobody listens to.
Yet, none of these bands are of the metal genre…. With the exception of Drowning Pool, which were nü metal. Aka, the armpit of the metal community. And Disturbed’s first album “The Sickness” was arguably nü metal.
@@MetallicaKing48 that’s exactly why the heavy music community is the most hated on, toxic cesspool, labels on labels. Since you seem like a well versed rock music enthusiast, what genre do the Deftones fall into ? That shouldn’t be too hard, they’re fairly popular and my favorite band btw.
@@semird615 lol I’m 32 my guy. You don’t think that I don’t know? They started off as nü metal, but grew overtime as both experimental and alternative metal/ rock. I would give them more credit though for being one of the best bands out of the nü metal scene along with KoRn and SlipKnot. Coal Chamber (while underground and underrated) was arguably really good too.
@@MetallicaKing48 see that's what I'm talking about, they're not just Nu Metal but still get compared to bands that didn't stray too far from their roots. All this labeling and division is the exact reason why the Rock community is looked at as stuck up snobs and hard to het into. I'm somewhere in between a fan and casual listener but if someone told you they're a metalhead and listen to Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Godsmack and Kid Rock you'd most likely cringe and dismiss them and their oppinion on what's good heavy music. I may play that one Tool song from time to time, idc for their discography even though I know it's some deep shit but, I'm not that deep into it. it's the sound for me, Bizkit, Kid Rock and Linkin park went Diamond for a reason, people just want some heavy riffage and breakdowns that they can wild out to. I've never listened to a Dream Theatre song in my life, nondisrespect but there's just not appealing to me.
@@semird615 I did like Three Dollar Bill and the Chocalate Starfish & Hotdog Flavored Water albums by Limp. But had mixed feeling with Significant Other and I didn’t care at all for Results May Vary.
Idk dude... some of these "butt rock" bands use some darn good instrumentation and innovation. I'm talking about avenged sevenfold. Synyster Gates is one of the best guitarists of our time. Also, Breaking Benjamin is pretty innovative as well and their intros are amazing.
I listen to harley davidson rock which is a subgenre of butt rock like load by metallica songs like the outlaw torn and ain't my b***h definitely sound like something you hear while riding a Harley Davidson Electra Glide
Syn is extremely overrated. He's really stepped up his playing on The Stage, but a LOT of his solos are rooted in the same few arpeggios and metalcore cliches. I mostly credit BB for getting me into downtuning but tbh their guitar playing itself is like a less technical Mark Tremonti
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you missed something important they all had great first albums that where great like rats and roaches which is a good album, Disturbeds the sickness they all had good and/or great debuts and road the wave of success from that
We call it 'coc * rock." Im assuming that's the same thing...if u didn't see my other cimment.lol. good job. As usual.
Will watch it ALL Later. Thnx, Dude.
My ears feel raped when listening to Death Grips.
Power metal is sooooo close to this. Absolutely massive in Europe in this decade but fails to hit in the US. Why?
My local rock station has a tag that goes "The BEST in new Rock!" then will play a Godsmack song from 20 years ago.
I mean its new compared to say baroque or opera
@@ThePunkRockMBA But what about Gregorian chant!
Butt rock is the modern replacement for Classic Rock. And even that statement isn't completely true, because Classic rock is still around too.
It’s better than mine. They’ll say “new rock!” Then play 21 pilots
YESSSSSSSSS
Virgin writers: “nooo that’s not real music”
Chad butt rock fans: “I need another beer godsmack is about to go on”
butt rock is more of a neckbeard thing honestly lmao.
"let the bodies hit the floor" yeah....
@@DuckMaster5k what? need another beer? drowning pool is about to be on
I saw Godsmack for the first time with Korn a few years ago. They put on a good show. A lot of crowd interaction.
@@DuckMaster5k Neckbeards are the that we all attack in the mosh pits.
Am i the only person who has just now heard of the term "butt rock" for the first time in 2020?
Nope I'm googling this term now too
you must be really young
@@muhammadsyafiq1004 mid 20's, i live under a rock though
No, I've just now learnt about it from Finn
Nah. I haven't heard the term "butt rock" before. However I've referred to this genre as "bro-metal" for years. I just picture a bunch of frat boys hanging out, chugging beers wishing they had girls around while listening to this stuff playing xbox
You've really helped me get out of my "metal" elitist phase and really engage with new and exciting styles of music.
going back and checking out music you ignored as a teen because this is the way you looked at it, is fun. cky slaps.
Have you ever listened to Earth, Wind, and Fire?
Same
So butt rock is new and exciting? Dude, go back to the way you were...I liked you better when you smoked😂
Without bands like Breaking Benjamin, Staind, Three Days Grace, Linkin Park, and Evanescence, I wouldn’t be the rock and metal fan that I am today. Not all of those bands hold up for me now, but I still have a lot of appreciation for them.
Same! I Only Listened To Butt Rock & Mainstream Pop For Over 80% Of My Life, Until 2020 When I Discovered Electronic Music & My Music Taste Was Turned Upside Down. Breaking Benjamin Was My Favorite Band For Almost 4 Years Until 2020 When Melodic Bass (Seven Lions, Illenium), DNB (Pendulum, Metrik), & Progressive/Festival House (Martin Garrix, Alan Walker) Ruled My Year End Lists. Do I Still Listen To Shinedown & Breaking Benjamin On A Regular Basis? Hell No! Occasionally? Yeah, Every Few Months I’ll Listen To Them. Despite My Music Taste Moving In A Different Direction, I’ll Always Be Grateful For What Butt Rock Did For Me.
@@namibianheaddress6989 I first noticed this with Breaking Benjamin. They are always on the radio, and have huge streaming numbers but honestly this is the first music commentator i've heard mention them. i appreciate it.
They're all really shitty bands.
I wonder how much hate for "gateway bands"/butt rock from music nerds is motivated by retrospective self-cringe? I used to talk so much shit about Evanescence, HIM, MCR, and all the other bands that first got me into rock and metal, but I wasn't even really thinking about the music - I just had this weird idea that they were something I was supposed to grow out of, like unironically blasting 'Bring me to Life' would be the music taste equivalent of showing up to my Real Adult Job (TM) in a black tutu and knee-high Jack Skellington socks. Free time and nostalgia during quarantine finally brought me back to those bands, and I realized that (A) they are still great, and (B) enjoying them is way less immature than trying to pretend I don't to seem "cool".
@@staceysaurusrex2630 there’s definitely some bands in there that haven’t aged as well (Staind especially doesn’t do it for me as much as they used to), but there’s a lot that I still think are great. I think it just comes down to this: like what you like, and who cares what other people say.
Butt rock fans are pretty chill until they get a chance to whine about Justin Bieber like it’s still 2008.
Lol
lo yea i was about to say there are plenty of elitist people in buttock, usually taking the classic boomer takes on modern popular music
Yeah they do hate teeny boppers lol
Fucking nailed it lol.
everyone who listens to butt rock is stuck in 2008
I bet Trapt vocalist is pissed his band and his million pandora listeners weren’t mentioned lol
Hahaha
That’s Mr. Trapt to you, sir!
His million Headstrong listeners
That's "Mr. Trapt" to you.
Mr. Trapt is somewhere getting his twitter fingers ready 🤣🤣🤣
It's a shame that's it's being labeled as butt rock. Sure it's not super complicated, but it's catchy and fun and tons of people love it.
I don't understand why we can't just let people like the music they like without being elitist about it.
My issue is when people just bounce around a corporate-crafted popular-radio bubble, not exploring, just sticking with the safe popular simple-minded regurgitations of music.
@@watamatafoyu And? Some people are happy with listening to radio music, oh no! just let them be?
Some people feel comfortable around it and have no reason to explore maybe because music as a whole isn't that important to them.
I don't even like butt rock (and most rock as a whole besides metal) and always try to explore new genres, but if people don't do that, that's none of my business is it?
I'm not sure about that, they have a handful of great singles, and the rest is just "ok we got your money".
@@watamatafoyu Corporate crafted popular radio? Seriously bro this isn't 2005. People have infinite choice thanks to spotify etc. It's popular for a reason.
@@watamatafoyu If you think your issue is that you're worried about what kind of music others listen too, then you have some REAL, deep issauws
Butt rock - nu metal’s, accessible uncle.
Omg 😂😂😂
This is the best comment I’ve seen in a while. So true!
And everybody loves him
YES
The accuracy...
When I was deployed Seether came.out to the middle of the bumfuck 115 degrees at night desert to play for a bunch of us dirty ass soldiers and marines. I greatly enjoyed the show and love that they did a free show they didn't have to do.
Seether are an amazing live band as well 💪 thankyou for your service
Seether was one of my favorite shows to see!
Oh they got paid
@@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs if you believe this was anything other than a "im a soldier, praise me", I applaud you
Thank you Soldier! I was listening to some Seether today...
Turns out most of my favorite bands are buttrock. Damn I lost my hipster cred
Same here Metallica stopped doing thrash metal in the 90's and started making butt rock load is my new favorite Metallica album because production is great compared to ride the lightning which is also one of my favorite Metallica albums
I was born in 1981 and growing up I was a huge Metallica fan..... I mean Huuuuuuge. I had a different Metallica shirt for everyday of the week. The first album I ever bought when I was seven or eight was.... And Justice For All. But I will say I was not disappointed with Load at all. It was amazing great great album. Reload was ok as well . I actually saw that tour. But I will say I did not like St. Anger at all. And to be honest I never listen to the full album.
@@ShootYourRadio yeah I still prefer Load and Reload over st.anger i prefer the first 5 Metallica albums over Load and Reload
@@GothdaddyEG for me there masterpiece was And Justice For All.
Oh noez.
Skillet played at my Christian camp when I was twelve. They were really chill people and I got their autograph. I'm 35 now and was amazed to hear them on the radio about ten years ago. 😂 I still love them.
How did they get invited to a Christian Camp?
@@kittykittybangbang9367 Skillet is a christian rock band. So that's why ;)
@@goodial Yeah this was before I knew that Skillet is a Christian rock band
I've seen Skillet a dozen times between Sonshine Fest in Wilmar MN where they regularly headlined and the now defunct Christian nightclub Club 3 Degrees. They have the most incredible pyrotechnics I've seen and they are second only to Switchfoot as my favorite live act.
@@rogerhuggettjr.7675 they're such a great, underrated group.
These butt rock bands were my gateway to listening to modern metal-core
I think this makes sense especially because a lot of post-2016 metalcore is very butt-rock adjacent (Finn refers to this as "Butt-core")
For real, I listened to Nickelback as a kid in the mid to late 2000s and now I'm into brutal stuff like Jesus Piece lol
Hey, relatable comment. A couple years ago it was Skillet, Shinedown, Three Days, all those bands. Over the past few months I've actually really gotten into metalcore. Erra and Thornhill are like my top picks now.
Mines as well
Yuppers!
Bands like 3DG, BB, Disturbed, and Skillet were the reason why I listen to bands like Behemoth, Cradle of Filth, and Gojira today. They will always have a special place in my heart.
Oof. Breaking Benjamin is the one band that I hate calling butt rock, probably because I still love listening to them🤣🤣.
It's mostly 3DG for me. At one point I've only listened to their whole discography over and over (even before Human came out and when it did... wow).
Slender Vendetta Human was solid, but The Mountain or whatever they’re new record is called is cringe
@@toyotaecw I can roll with someof the songs but One X is still probably my fav of theirs.
Same!
Honestly, I’d like to point out how diverse the fan base for these butt rocks bands really is. Sure you have the working class blue collar army dad listeners, but you also have the suburban middle class kids, the anime community, etc who listen to this stuff. I feel like the genre has also served as an entryway into other genres of rock and metal for many people.
I always considered this to be the current form of popular rock music like alternative in the 90s. If rock was pop music today like it was in the 60s - 90s, Butt Rock would be today's version of Bruce Springsteen or Everclear.
True that. My entry into metal was Disturbed, and I still love their older stuff. People generally need to ease into bands like Cannibal Corpse, Rings of Saturn, Cattle Decapitation, and Slaughter to Prevail, and the Butt Rock bands like Disturbed and Three Days Grace definitely do the job.
@@76Minuteman 100%. I've thought about this progression many times. I was listening to Skillet, Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin, etc. when I was 12-14, and then I heard Demon Hunter, which I think bridged the gap to music with screaming. From there I got into Abandon All Ships and The Devil Wears Prada, which opened the floodgates to the Warped Tour scene. By the end of highschool I was looking for something heavier and a year out of highschool I was listening to everything from hardcore to doom metal. But none of that would have happened if I'd never heard The Last Night by Skillet. 😂
Agreed
Main stream rock in the 2000s was my introduction to rock. Then I listen to metal core, and then more heavier stuff.
I really love how you always throw compliments in with your criticisms of these bands. Nobody else does that. These bands aren't writing masterpieces but can you imagine the world without them? While I don't listen to these bands, these songs are tied to so many great memories. Great video, subbed!
It would be a colder, much crueler world.
"What is butt rock?" proceeds to name the only bands I ever hear
idk. I never heard of "butt rock." Honestly most of the bands he named are like alt rock bands. IDK why he mentioned Hoobastank and some other band I never listened to.
Honestly same, I was all like 👁️👄👁️
@@rizzofohshizzle380 ikr most of these are at the very least nu-metal and some are alt.
@@ozzygilliam9194 They're call butt rock because they've been playing on every "nothing but rock" rural radio station for the last 20 years. Yes alot of them have different classifications, but they're grouped together because of this. And it's been driving me crazy for 20 years. You look at the rock stations between the 70s-90s and they were constantly evolving with new fresh bands. Now we just listen to the same old songs a thousand times, with some new singles sprinkled in from these same butt rock bands. At work, I've been reduced to listening to the pop classics stations with Fleetwood Mac, MJ, Tears for Fears, ect. because at least its not something I've heard a million times. Even been listening to the classic country stations for something new to me.
Yikes
"Disturbed had OOWAHAHAHAH" That was great😂
@Kurapika Giovanna I was going to bring up nu-metal as well.
Even disturbed said they were not nu metal
As a massive Black Metal fan I much prefer talking about music with "casual" metal fans they don't see their music taste as a challenge
Rev.Erebus Sulphur the fucking comment of the year. 👏👏👏
I'm a big black metal fan as well, and I've been listening to Shinedown recently because the singer has a great voice.
One summer my friends and I had camped by a lake in eastern Oregon when our neighbors stopped by from the next campsite. They were straight up trucker hat-wearing torn jean good ol' boys who were loudly listening to Nickelback and Saliva at their camp. My friends and I were into thrash and doom metal, so I put on some of the bluesier groovier doom metal I had and they really dug it. They were nice dudes and I would actually prefer their company over a lot of smug elitist metalheads that I've come across over the years.
True story!
I love metal (and most other genres) and metal heads can be the most lovely and positive people, BUT man!!! some really love to smell think own farts and think only what they are listen to is good.
Just look at hard core Tool fans, some of those are effing annoying (Tool is one of my favortie bands, i just try to avoid beign one of "them")
I listen to the heaviest of heavy music and I still love "Butt Rock." Say what you wanna say about the genre but Shinedown, Three Days Grace and Breaking Benjamin put on one hell of a show
Shinedown has put on some of the best live shows I've ever been to.
Shinedown stole the show when I saw them in billings.
I saw Shinedown in 2007. It was a great show!
Agreed
This sums up how I feel pretty well lol
Super thrilled that 2000s rock is getting a critical reevaluation.
Dude, you’re a legend! 😭 Love your content
Why are you following all the RUclipsrs I follow? You really are the content creator for the people
I love your content!
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Killswitch engaged, shadows fall, unearth. Yeah same here. Oh you said rock
So, isn't 'butt rock' really post-grunge?
That's what I've always known these bands to be, so I'll continue to refer to them as post grunge, butt-rock is fuckin weird lmao
They are, but I’ve heard “butt rock” from other people, I thought that person made it up.... wonder where it came from...
The ones that are post-grunge but aren’t lumped in the butt rock label that I can think of are Audioslave and 12 Stones.
@@slevingarganera8375 I would say Foo Fighters as well
@@slevingarganera8375 Funny, i've always considered 12 Stones with such bands as 3 Doors Down, Nickelback, Theory of a Deadman as pure classic butt rock, and they were not mentioned in the video. It's just a joke tag anyway so people claim any commercially successful rock bands they don't like much as butt rock without attention to sound.
Dang dude, Tom Morello's son is spittin straight FACTS
“Sound of Madness” by Shinedown goes HARD
Disturbed had “ohwhahahahaha”.
Don’t forget “OCH OCH”
😂😂😂
still one of the catchiest vocal hooks of all time. it just is.
The PacMan song. Oooh waka waka.
I swear that “Och Och” sounds like he has a Pube hair stuck in his throat.
Buttrock: The official music of 2008 AMVs and trick shot videos
Definitely!
Naruto Animal I have Become AMV.avi
You just sucker punched me back to middle school, and I sincerely thank you for that
@@allieg.5143 You're welcome
This literally how I started listening to skillet when I was a kid.
Dude that statement about the radio is so true. Rock radio is stuck in 90s/2000s with a few new bands the get in through the cracks.
@robert will Their needs to be a style that combines the cloud rap style of Bones, Asap Rocky, Dylan Ross, Earl Sweatshirt, Isiah Rashad, Corbin aka Spooky Black aka Lil Spook, Lil Peep, Swan Lingo, Velvetears, and Kid Cudi with the Alternative metal/rock structure of Breaking Benjamin, Chevelle, Three Days Grace, Avenged Sevenfold, Three Doors Down, Cold, Seether with the aggressiveness of The Used, and the heaviness of Lamb Of God. While also throwing in a little bit of NF and Mogli The Iceberg.
Because popular rock these days is even shittier
Buttcore is now taking over (basically every metalcore band that try to combine 2000's buttrock with some breakdown and fry screams)
Lol yup 90s + butt rock + 21 pilots/imagine dragons
Naruto Uzumaki dude spot on. And I hear bad wolves zombie cover all the time too lol.
Im not going to be embarrassed for how much i still love Breaking Benjamin. They still hold up to this day. Lol.
Absolutely, bro. Name one bad track on Phobia. There's none.
Couldn’t agree more, I saw them last month with catch your breath and they were great :)
@@frozendilemma Damn straight!
I’ll literally listen to you talk about anything tbh. Your breakdowns are always so engaging and well thought out!
Amen sister!
🙏🏼
Agree 100%!
Same. Even if I don't agree all the time, his insight is always welcome and well thought out.
...Did somebody mention breakdowns?
Finn, everyone knows that “Popular = Not Cool”, across all arts that’s a constant.
Touche
Yup
Hate the argument “bUt iTs pOpUlAr” yeah mcdonalds is also popular but my local diner tastes a lot better
Yeah. Cardi B will win a Grammy after previously being a stripper and backpackers (hiphop version of the metal fan that shits on anything not "real metal") will write a million think pieces about how rap is dead. Elitists are everywhere.
True, and the conundrum of that is, its popular to like what's not popular...so youre still trying to be popular.
These can also be considered WWE early 2010s ppv music
Best comment
And now it's Imagine Dragons. Lol
Accurate.
Lmao oh god. They pumped out so much Saliva and Limp Bizkit. I miss those days
@@undertakerfan46 that was more 2000's
Rewatching this video for the third time, and I think every rock and metal fan on the internet needs to watch this. It's such a great, refreshing perspective that's grounded in real, hard data that you present here that really, really challenges, in a very salient way, the prevailing narrative about rock and metal that exists online.
To quote Neil Diamond:
"I always thought it was more diplomatic to play for the audience instead of the critics"
"Sweeeeet Caroline...POW POW POW!!!"
All my friends who are into a lot of butt-rock bands have a few things in common:
1. They aren't into any scene and aren't trying to musically fit in with anybody.
2. They primarily listen to music in their cars.
3. They like the balance of distorted guitars and melodic choruses.
4. They do not engage in social media often.
5. They all like EDM, too.
Wow, you smashed that nail head
Perfect description
I knew mad guys in Colorado that mainly listened to EDM and Three Days Grace hahaha. I remember rolling around Denver in my buddy's F150 listening to I am Machine
🤣🤣🤣
exactly the people its meant for. the people that dont really like music other than to fill the empty space
As elitist as metalheads can be, I don't know a single rock listener who was introduced to whatever they're into, through something other than radio rock.
It's a stepping stone for most of us. And we tend to forget this, which is why so many people look down at bands like BabyMetal, when they should be celebrating how many people they've turned on to metal.
I had an online exchange with a guy who was turning out to be an elitist metalhead who of course thought only metal is the valid and worthy genre. When I brought in the argument that taste is subjective he stopped replying. Can't say I'm mad about it.
@@KamalianCiranoush seems about right, its why I stay out of the comment section on metal videos. Elitism and people arguing about what subgenre it is...
@@NotKimiRaikkonen I never realized how bad it was until I saw a RUclips comment fight between the band and some guy about what genre the song was.
@@switchtheflip9422 happens all the time
I am not a huge fan of Metallica but they are without a doubt 100x better than these dog shit bands.
I went to high school with Brent Smith, the singer from Shinedown. We were in the same friends group. Now I don't really like the band, but I'm proud of my old buddy. He use to come over to my house and we would jam out. Now he's a legit rock star, and that's all he ever wanted to be. I think it's awesome someone from the sh!thole that is south Knoxville actually made it in the music biz!
Shinedown played at a festival I was at a couple years back. I thought it was hilarious how most of their fans were these super conservative, hyper masculine dudes but the singer's stage moves were so stereotypically feminine. Strutting around the stage with his hands on his hips, that weird crouch thing with one hand on the microphone and one in the air, clapping his hands in the air while dancing, etc. No offense to him, everyone gets in their zone onstage, but I just thought it was funny how his stage moves contrasted with the overall image of the band and their fans.
@@SirAlexOfTheGuitar I love the band but I didn't know that was the fanbase
@@theirishpotato6588 maybe I was making generalizations, but there were quite a few people like that there, a lot of "metal mulisha" types lol
@@SirAlexOfTheGuitar ah. That's unfortunate.
My favorite band, I am a 54 year old grandma that leans hard left on most things I just found it funny that I'd never heard the Butt Rock thing before and feel so called out LOL I see them every chance I get and attend a 4 day festival every year because if they don't play I see other bands I DO love as well. Fortunately for me they are playing Louder than Life this year and I have VIP tix! So I am super hyped.
Everyone trashes this style until it’s time to talk about Chevelle... 🤔
Awesome underrated group.
EYYYYYY CHEVELLE
Love Chevelle. Lol
Chevelle kicks ass
How dare you
'Will pay $150 on tickets, $15 on beer, and $40 on a shirt.'
*blushes*
I'm glad I live in Europe lol
You'll need more than one beer, won't you?😀
I'm disappointed that you didn't introduce your channel as "Butt Rock MBA"
Lmaooo
Skillet and Breaking Benjamin were my life for several years. Even if I don't like all of their more recent albums (mainly targeted at Skillet), I will always love that they helped me transition into the metal head I am now.
Solid video!
Absolutely. Breaking Benjamin, Three Days Grace and then Linkin Park got me into metal.
"Let the bodies hit the floor" The ultimate boss if there was ever a butt rock video game.
You misspelled “it’s been awhile”
@@porkfriedrice1530 I would agree with you lol
Omg it's called Halo....I think 2 and the boss level was a Breaking Benjamin song....I'll wait why you try and prove me wrong
I was lucky enough to see them live and they killed it r.i.p the lead singer
My very first nu metal song, which got me into searching for more music :p
So long as there are Midwest Blue Collar Dads and "Angsty" Christian Teens exist, so shall it be that Butt Rock retains it's immortality.
Hey man, those Angsty Christian Teen years were an important part of my life. 😄
@@naterou5 Hahaha, same, dude! I was so hard as an angsty christian teen, listening to 5FDP, ya know!
I will not bow to your lies, man
Butt-rock is pretty great.
What's not great, is when your favourite Metalcore band starts playing it.
dude you're so right. metal bands try it and fail every time.
Couldn't have said it better. I hate this... "osmosis", where every modern band, no matter where it starts from, ends up becoming butt rock (or even pop).
So we end up with a huge butt rock scene, and leftovers of their original scenes (be it metal, nu metal, metalcore, etc).
If we wanted to listen to butt rock, we'd go to it in the first place and listen to the pros, right? Not have our favorite band (d)"evolve" into it.
And then the bands get all surprised when fans start hating on them, because they feel cheated. It sucks...
Our next record is going to show a more mature side of our music.
2000s butt rock is just better than 2010s butt rock. production, songwriting, videos. Everything
@@njsteere Stop it. You're giving me flashbacks.
This man just called my entire playlist "Butt Rock" but he's somehow not really wrong
Breaking Benjamin is still my shit.
They've gotten better since ben came back from throat surgery a few years ago. Dont get me wrong when I heard So Cold 15 years ago I became a fan but for some reason their newer releases have knocked it out of the park each time. Ember is fucking amazing. Red cold river still gives me chills when that chorus kicks in
@@MrJWylde Totally agreed
The Diarrhea Chain still slaps
Same with 3DG and Hinder.
They're one of my favorite bands. They've never made a bad album (well the debut is just okay..) and I can't say that about many other bands that might file under butt rock.
I don’t think butt rock music is bad. Just most of it is so overplayed on the radio, you just get sick of hearing it.
So true
I agree and I only tend to like one or two of the "butt rock bands" songs. I can't listen to a whole album
Agreed.
It didn’t help despite other singles and even new songs, the station would play the same single from 3 years ago. They do it for bigger bands like Metallica. They still play Enter Sandman more than any other song. From what I’ve heard personally, pop and country stations are even worse. They will play new stuff but play it so much in a single day it’s old by Tuesday
That’s why Pandora and Spotify exist.
When I was 13 I left my best friends bar mitzvah early to see Disturbed..
If you know about the lead singer the irony is quite funny and I think he'd be thrilled. 😂
Elliot W cause he Nazi
@@dead_yami dude..... Opposite. 🙃 Itd be kinda like missing out on a communion baptism etc to go see Skillet. That kinda irony.
I don't think David Draiman is a Nazi...
Elliot W so then he think he more important than god
There actually was a period of time where skillet was pretty different than what they normally did. Collide and comatose (in Terms of sound and writing style) were their heaviest albums and that was their experimental phase. Years prior they had a grunge/industrial metal style with heavy keyboard/electronics going on. Super different from the in your face grittiness with collide. With collide and comatose they completely dropped the whole electronic thing and went full on nu metal/alternative rock. After that they just started combining both sounds into each album to please the oldschool fans and the people that like the heavier stuff. Its honestly a genius move. Which explains why they are still going after being around since 96
they also managed the whole "Christian band" to "Christians in a mainstream band" crossover, which ain't easy
@@ActionNerdGo yes! I commented on someone else’s post about this but my dad was their sound guy for years while we lived outside of Memphis. As an adult, I was shocked to hear them on Octane. Lol
The etymology of “butt rock” blows my mind
Breaking Benjamin do not get anywhere near the love they deserve from the alt/nu/butt metalcore scene. Their unmoshable headbanger breakdowns and tempos seriously shaped the entirety of the 2010s metalcore scene, especially the post-djent nümetalcore stuff. BB were already doing shit like that in 2004. It's clear someone in that band (probably at least one of their guitarists) knows their shit about the alt/metal scene, cause they were doing 'djent" style riffs when it was still in the tech/prog metal scene in the mid 00s, not to mention they already are basically mainstream accessible Helmet. Really good band.
I loved growing up on these butt rock bands alongside the mainstreamo bands, made for a fun adolescence. Couldn't be more stoked that buttrockcore seems to be what the next stage is gonna be for hardcore scene. What with bands like Absence of Mine and Fleshwater taking from that kind of thing, although from the 90s (AIC & Deftones) I feel like it's only a matter of time before they start sounding like Crossfade and Three Days Grace.
Also, no one talks about the crossover between mainstreamo and butt rock, how they both kinda influenced each other to some degree, or had similar influences, like how 3DG cite Sunny Day Real Estate as an influence. Bands like 10 Years or 32 Leaves from my state were super underrated and definitely had elements of that emo post hardcore sound in there. On the other side of the coin, seems obvious how bands like Thrice, 18V, Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, and whoever else took from butt rock to make more accessible songs.
Anyway cool video as always!
real ones know that they got into heavier shit thanks to breaking ben. they had some honestly crushing riffs back then. even diary of jane has near djent level chugging.
Yeah exactly. I can understand maybe bands like Shinedown or Papa Roach being "butt rock" but Breaking Benjamin really isn't of this kind imo. They're a lot more alt-metal oriented with even a few hints of prog here and there.
I think Three Days Grace is pretty similar to Breaking Benjamin in that regard (at least their old stuff). I would agree that these bands and some other's influenced a lot of the metalcore bands that have had the staying power to be around today and to still be decently popular. For instance, the newest Motionless in White album(which I loved) has songs that are heavily inspired by these bands and even one that sounds incredibly similar to a heavier Breaking Benjamin song.
I also 100% got into metalcore and heavier bands in general because of these bands.
@kakashi66132. 10 Years and 32 Leaves sound nothing like that Emo/Post Hardcore shit, 10 Years and 32 Leaves were influenced by Tool and Grunge.
@@nu-metalfan2654 whoa, you're telling me post-grunge was influenced by grunge?! No way!! Next you're gonna tell me all the early 2000s emo/post hardcore bands were also influenced by grunge...
Butt rock is like polished / softened Nu-metal
That’s what I think, as well.
Nu-metal is butt rock. All this Limp Bizkit, Korn (maybe besides their debiut, self-titled, 1996 album), Linkin park (but had some good rock tracks though) , Papa Roach, Disturbed, etc. Why? Because rock, by definition, is supposed to be against real problems, social, political, psychical, emotional etc. Nu-metal isn't against anything. It is artificial rebelion with heavy, disturbed guitar, with songwriters searching for new material more watching their good-looking body, tatoos, hair-cut and shining reflection in mirror then observing people's behavior , reading books, newspapers, etc.
agree add in a tinge of some 80s Hair band styling as well.
Andrzej Nowak Yeah, there are some nu metal bands that go along with the butt rock notion (I mean, there were even some that were in this video). However, there are a lot, if not tons, of bands from the nu metal genre that are more than just simple butt rock.
A while ago i found a nu metal spotify list and wanted to give it a try and see how many of these songs i remember. God damn, it was painful listening to. They were all so bad, but i did realize that Disturbed was relatively decent, maybe that's why they are still successful 20 years later.
Shinedown is literally impossible to hate on. Based solely on their message and the amazing humans that they are.
Some internet fools hate Shinedown I don't know why, maybe because of bandwagon.
@@azaabazha Shinedown rocks! See them LIVE.
I agree. They're too pure for this world lol
Bro I almost fell asleep at a shinedown show. It sucked.
Agreed
I never knew Breaking Benjamin was "butt-rock", but they're one of my favorite bands where I like nearly all their albums.
I've been a huge fan of Breaking Benjamin since their first album. Seeing it in context it does sort of make sense that they would be in this fold, especially considering their work after 'Phobia.' I like MBA's take on it though. Go write one of their albums if its so easy and watch the money pour in.
@@JohnDoe-gy5dr - I knew of Butt-rock as a term used to describe 80's hair metal bands. His explanation of of describing "butt-rock" as more modern-ish bands makes a good deal of sense.
Same, they're my favorite band in fact. And knowing that they're considered "butt rock" will never change that, and it shouldn't for you either. MBA really put it well in this video. Just because it's butt rock, doesn't mean it can't still be meaningful to you or effortless objectively
Same. I guess it's most bands that were played on the radio.
They aren't butt rock. Winger is butt rock lol.
Everyone likes some Butt Rock, whether they want to admit it or not.
Nah
@@redrum427 ooooooo u lyin
We all started at butt rock
Skillets collide album is actually really good.
Thrash or be Thrashed.Death to false metal!
I figured out a good reason that a lot of this stuff was also embraced by the “emo”/“goth”/“scene” kids. It’s all about the angst in the lyrics. There’s not a whole lot of disconnect between The Used and Papa Roach.
Yup. When I grew up with both butt rock and pop-punk/emo/core music, there was a LOT of overlap in the fans, and many of the bands themselves drew from common influences. It's telling how many of those "nostalgia compilations for emo kids" videos often feature the likes of Three Days Grace, Evanescence, Papa Roach, Breaking Benjamin, Linkin Park, etc along with Fall Out Boy, Green Day, Blink-182, Yellowcard, Paramore, My Chemical Romance, Taking Back Sunday, Panic! At the Disco, etc.
My dad has gone to four Breaking Benjamin concerts over the years. I went to the last one with him (our last concert for 2019 and before our 2020 concert hopes were dashed). He said that the band has become more and more comfortable and humble over the years and feel less commercial than their first concert he went to.
Also my dad leapt over two rows of seats to touch the lead singer’s shirt when he went into the crowd. He was more happy about that than he probably should’ve been.
“I was a butt-rock fan from Missouri” should be a shirt.
Lolz I know! 105.7 the point!! Or 93.xxx
Lol I'm dying because I know the dude that books for Queen City productions in Springfield, Mo.
there is a facebook group called "shirts marketed to extremely specific demographics," that shirt exist there already
As someone from Missouri, I agree!!! XD
Would be a band name too. Someone please do it. :D
I love how succinct your tangents are. Like the red state rock concerts at the state fair with the Marine pull up contest lol
It seems like those who coined the term "butt rock" are those whose music taste got stuck in 1994 and think that everything that came after is pure, unadulterated trash. Yeah! Some of these bands are bad and corny, but I think some of them are quite good.
Its just another example of rock elitism
Yeah. I feel some shots were taken at Braking Benjamin that aren't fair.
No I don’t, and I thought some of these bands are good and most of this music is played by talented individuals, and there was plenty of butt rock in the 70’s and 80’s. That being said, I’ve heard this stuff so much, I feel that I would happy not hearing it again
You're entitled to your wrong opinion.
@@jacobkoppel4820 as are you and your love for inbred 90’s music. Can’t really dig less talented versions of KC, and other originals that were obviously in severe mental distress as their early deaths demonstrate. I think Chevelle has to be the most blatant copy cat, the younger white bread version of the original. Unfortunately as radio was consolidated into a few monopolies the playlist got more repetitive, even classic rock stations Suffered. And the whole anti solo movement was the dumbest overlap of politics in music I’ve ever witnessed, and so we were robbed of solos by probably the greatest overall metal talent of Pantera’s guitarist, sll cause The guitarist for sound garden met a guitarist that at least pretended to be a mercenary and like to solo a lot? But maybe the music was a reflection of two of the lamest administrations in a s hundred years. Yeah I guess it was all about bad choices like which bands the labels pushed. The Obama years sucked, but I’m not convinced that McCain wouldn’t have lead us into more Middle East wars, and Romney was nearly identical Obama
Shinedown is the best Butt Rock band. That guy is a great frontman.
crawling in the dark still slaps
it's always funny to me that hoobastank was ska originally
winnars I was today old when I found out about this.
@Dustin Hudson under the name hoobustank (album: They Sure Don't Make Basketball Shorts Like They Used To)
Easily my favorite song by them
I never realized Breaking Benjamin, TDG, Seether, Disturbed, or Papa Roach counted as Butt rock bands. Learn something new everyday.
Also, about more typical butt rock bands (I guess), like Nickelback, they have great instrumentation and the song structure is awesome. They just happen to include some of the worst lyrics you will ever hear.
I think BB and Disturbed have great lyrics.
@@elijahcademartori9854 Oh, absolutely. Seether and TDG do as well. I was talking about Nickelback, or other bands like TOAD or Buckcherry which are the obvious choices for butt rock.
@@wolfinsheepsclothing842 by TOAD, do you mean Theory of a Deadman? I honestly enjoy a lot of their stuff musically (except for whatever it is they've been up to with their recent stuff,) but yeah, their lyrical content is pretty bland and it makes them hard to really listen to on a consistent basis. I don't think that their music is bad, but it gets very repetitive if you're more into the lyrical side of things. That's a band that I really haven't heard many people mention aside from Medicate. Never really hear anyone talk about their older stuff.
Bands like Nickelback who are also buttrock include Theory of a Deadman, Creed and Buckcherry. So feel free to die inside whenever you hear Bad Girlfriend and Crazy Bitch.
@@shreknskrubgaming7248 welp... TOAD is the NICKLEBACK OF CANADA so... It makes seens🤣🤣
And BTW their early albums are good for me but their latest PoP'ish album is like🤮
The reason there's a disconnect between music influencers and what the fans want is exactly what you said. Classism. It's really common thing to write off entire groups of people in red states as uneducated yokels.
@sfairraid 13 are you one of those people that thinks that everything bad comes from democrat cities?
@sfairraid 13 in 2020, Cali GDP is #1 by a mile, and makes almost double what Texas produces. NY is at #3 above florida at #4 in gdp, so it's not 'just' Red States carrying our country.
@sfairraid 13 it's a mixed bag is all I'm sayin.
There's definitely something to this with regard to this, but to chalk it up to simply just "classism" is to completely ignore the actual material conditions that make up class. The average worker in West Virginia who listens to Shinedown probably has more common class interest with the average barista in NYC listening to Neutral Milk Hotel than they do with say, the guy who owns the local lumberyard.
@sfairraid 13 regardless, they are Americans, same as you and me.
"Crawling in the Dark", "Out of Control", and "Same Direction" by Hoobastank hold up incredibly well, 20 years later. Now I gotta go revisit all these guys
Holy shit, Skillet is still around? They played at our church in the 90s and we (my dad and l )drove them around southern California to the rest of their shows.
Yeah, and they're huge. Although they sound nothing like their albums, and John Cooper is the only guy you'd recognize, they've gone through a lot of line-ups.
@@daleonov Yeah, they changed out their drummer back in I think 2008 for Jen Ledger (truly one of the best investments/moves the band ever made, she is a great drummer and side project is good aswell), and they got a new lead guitarist back in 2012, but their current lineup has been solid for nearly a decade now. If you get a chance to see them live, do it! I saw their last show before quarantine shut everything down and I nearly broke my neck from headbanging so hard!
@@animal1439 Skillet puts on some of the best produced and best sounding live shows I've seen. I will always buy tickets when they are near town and they are always affordable unless they are part of a festival or opening for another "bigger" band. They've crossed over in popularity between Christian and non-Christian fans and keep it commercial, and they do it well. I rarely skip tracks on their albums and their older stuff is still just as listenable today as it was a decade ago. That says something... same with Breaking Benjamin. My biggest concert regret is not making the drive to see Skillet and BB together on their tour.
@@Failtasmagoria Everything Skillet has put out after and including Collide has been really solid. I think they hit Gold for three records in a row with Collide, Comatose, and Awake, but I am still finding things to like in their newer releases as well. Reach, Save Me, and Victorious of the new record slap really hard and are definitely worth your time!
@@animal1439 I saw them with old guitarist, but I think they already had Jen on drums. And seen them with current lineup once (or twice) as well! But not a fan of recent albums, so missed their latest couple tours.
I smiled like an idiot this whole video. This is so shamelessly me.
But did you win the pull up contest?
6:35
"Because, guess what? Nobody cares how hard your song is to play. They just want something they can sing along to."
Such great advice. I have to remind myself of this every time I'm writing for my pop punk band. Don't overcomplicate it. You're not in a tech/prog deathcore band. Keep it simple and catchy.
Its all about KISS(Keep it simple stupid) Helps me with amost everything.
@@arefallout Don't call him stupid, you don't know him.
Only problem is Metal/Deathcorecore/Post-Hardcore/Poppunk are easier to play than Breaking Benjamin's entire discography.
@Conor Wilson Tool is way cooler than most Deathcore bands no scratch that they're better than every deathcore band.
@@christianwarner3360 That's true. I still hold Breaking Benjamin in pretty high regard because of that. I've never heard someone do minor electronic stuff with unique guitar work that seamlessly. It's just really good. I wish a lot of metalcore bands today would consider what they did.
critics hate it? elitists hate it? Then I'm probably gonna fucking loving it! I don't care if its hard rock, thrash metal, punk, pop, motown, classical, whatever. just give me the music. I will not be defined by a genre label, nor will I let someone ELSE dictate what MY feelings about something should be. I will not let someone else demean me because I like something they don't. They can take that bullying bullshit elsewhere. In January, I saw Evanescence, in August, i'm going to see Imagine Dragons, and tomorrow night i'm going to see Breaking Benjamin, with Seether, Lacey Sturm, and Starset. My first show was Aerosmith, the group I've seen live most is NSYNC. If the music makes me feel good, then thats all that matters to me. Whether its the same ole thats been around for decades, or brand new artists, then count me in. and yes lol, i'm 40 something, and damn right I will pay to get what I want (even getting VIP packages at shows). I invest in what makes me happy. Fuck what anyone else thinks.
The issue is rock and metal is a community that hates itself. People tear each other apart over which band is better, what genre x band is and frown on success. If a band makes it to the radio they are sell-outs. I've grown to really dislike the mentality that rock and metal heads have.
The whole idea that 'mainstream success = selling out' is insane. Isn't every band trying to sell enough records and tickets to quit their day jobs and make music for a living? If 'not selling out' means 'working a deadbeat job and eating top ramen while losing money on every record and tour' I'll pick selling out any day of the week, thanks.
shanknolan Exactly. I mean Travis Scott signs a deal with McDonalds and everyone supports it but you know damn well if literally any rock or metal artist did that people would hate it. It’s stupid.
Someoe (I forget whom) once told me that the concept of "selling out" is only used by failed local musicians who are jealous of the success of others.
Same.
Don’t get the fans started on the Nightwish singers, Metallica albums, old vs new metal/rock, etc. Also I’ve heard fans get mad because their band played in front a bigger crowd than a club show and say they sold out
While I get your point about the fans, they are also often the type of people who are all "pop music bad" and think rap "isn't real music," which is pretty toxic itself, and its own form of pretention. Think of those really cringey metal memes about Justin Beiber from 10 years ago, and then imagine the people who still post them in 2020.
This is spot on.
Sorry i dont listen to JUSTIN FREAKIN BEAVER and BRITNEY FRICKIN SPEARS!!
Nolan V I absolutely am guilty of those things.
Just go to any paparoach, disturbed etc. video from back then with 300 dislikes and youll likely find a comment like "300 Justin Beiber fans disliked this video". Damn those were so annoying hahah.
Which is always hilarious cause they listen to the most mainstream poppified version of rock/metal 😂
"making music that people will like is bad" is not a take I have ever understood in any genre honestly
it does make sense in a few, select, situations. country music is one of them. the problem there isnt so much making music people like, it's making THAT music and calling it country. turn on a country station and if it isnt an oldies station, chances are the music is barely country. 9/11 made patriotism very popular. at the time, country had a monopoly on patriotic music. more people started listening, gaining the attention of new money hungry execs. those execs brought their own producers. those producers knew then, and still know jack shit about country. they know pop. some know hip hop. as a result, you get colt ford and taylor swift... those 2 sum up the problem with country in a nutshell.
@@dippst Switch Colt Ford with Luke Bryan. Colt definitely has a following but not nearly as much as Luke, or Blake Shelton and Jason Aldean. To make a college football analogy, those three are like Bama, Ohio State and Clemson in the FBS, they're the top dogs. Colt Ford is like North Dakota State in the FCS, a big dog held in high regard but isn't quite at the same level as the main players. TLDR he's 1B, not 1A
Look at the state of popular music and then think about it again
@@timhefty504 see, those 3 have at least had legit country songs. blake's first album had 2 instant classics. now he's trying to pretend he's half the age he really is. luke and jason are just following the $$.
As if Luke Bryan wasn't already bad then enter Florida Georgia Line. Literally a pandering pop group. Idk what's worse. Pop/bro country or pop. Probably the country.
So, if there's one thing people in other rock scenes can learn from Butt Rock, it's, "Write for the fans, not for the bands."
Well said
@@ThePunkRockMBA Thanks.
Butt Rock is today's equivalent to what Foreigner was doing in the 70s/80s.
Love the inclusion of Halestorm. That’s gotta be one of the friendliest fan communities I’ve ever been a part of, and the band themselves are all such kindhearted people. Seen em live three times (so far) and there are people from all walks of life, age groups, whatever at their shows. There are a lot of places where I don’t “belong”, and a Halestorm show is a place where everyone belongs. Everyone is welcome. It’s refreshing.
I'm a Skillet fan and I agree.
Halestorm is one of my favorite bands. We always need more women in the rock scene.
I agree with the inclusion when talking about the fan base, for sure. I've never really thought of their sound as being similar to the other bands mentioned here though.
Halestorm does fit in the sense that the music is full of hooks and very accessible. Of course if you have a voice like Lzzy Hale’s, you don’t need much more.
I recommend the band Polyphia. Start with nightmare, Crush, or Florence
The part about being inclusive is so damn real. When I was younger and getting into "real" metal, so many wrote me off as a fake fan because I loved Slipknot, Korn, and Papa Roach at the time. If someone wants to listen to a style of music you like: don't be a douche.
Also, I have no problem admitting I enjoy a lot of these bands; whether it's cool or not. I'm 35, I don't have time to care if what I listen to is considered "cool" or not.
I went to a very small punk/metal show when I was in high school, probably 20-30 people in attendance, if that. Small enough that we were standing right next to the band (Alexisonfire) as they were setting up. My friend and I were talking about maybe getting tickets to Ozzfest that summer, and their guitarist chimed into the conversation to make fun of us for that. Definitely put a sour taste in my mouth for that band moving forward.
I remember being maybe 19 and being afraid to admit I liked Linkin Park because it definitely wasn't acceptable for a hardcore girl to like nu metal. It wasn't until I saw Hatebreed (one of three times that week) play a show the night before their Ozzfest show and admit they had hung out with Linkin Park the night before that I felt I could even admit my love for them. I hate to think that I might have been that judgey person at some point who looked down on others. Shinedown is also one of my favorite bands and as a middle aged woman at this point, I don't care who sees my t-shirt these days.
Gatekeeping is just exhausting. My dad (who I just wanna say is a really great guy outside of being a music snob) was a punk rocker in the late 70's/early 80's, and has always found everything I like a little too polished for his taste. His take is that "*real art isn't supposed to be pretty, its supposed to be raw, its supposed to challenge you and make you feel something". We've learned to agree to disagree.
@@handoverthemoon Shinedown have some really amazing songs and Brent's voice is just... 'Asking for it' is my favourite song by them, that chorus is just so mighty.
I know the feel. I've got a pretty good amount of "scene cred" for how long I've been part of it, and I still get shit on for enjoying Gojira and Lamb of God.
Thanks for the validation. I'm gonna go listen to my playlist of Three Days Grace, Sick Puppies, Trapt, and Adema now.
Nu-grunge is what I always called the butt rock bands that weren't "heavy" enough to be nu-metal.
You can find some people using the “ post-grunge “ therm out there to describe butt rock bands, but there is the “ alternative metal “ therm too, to describe bands like Breaking Benjamin, Cult To Follow etc.
As a metal kid, Breaking Benjamin is one of the few radio rock bands I can enjoy. They have some cool parts and I think Ben has a great voice. Its hard for me to think of them as butt rock IMO.
They’re incredible live too.
I agree. Ember was great too.
That's Avenged Sevenfold for me. I grew up on them, basically my first introduction to music verging on metal. I still think City of Evil and Nightmare are great, but they definitely fit this category now.
Maybe a band like Chevelle would be categorized that way too and I still like them.
I highly disagree with them labeled as butt rock
Jared Dines, big "influencer" in the metal community, always has positive things to say about Breaking Benjamin
True!
Breaking Benjamin has some straight up classics.
My problem with them was when my wife and I saw them live. While we like the band it felt like we wasted $75 lol. It's like they were just going through the motions, there was no energy.
@@Vini-zv3lr yes! Every now and then, when I’m tired of two steps and breakdowns, I’ll go on a butt rock binge and Breaking Benjamin always comes back into rotation
@@doomusrlc to be fair, they play a lot of shows. Benjamin Burnley also has some chronic health conditions. He had to start letting other members sing more. He also plays less guitar than before, at least the show I went to.
Some 90’s and 00’s rock bands stood the test of time for me and some didn’t, but I’ve got nothing but mad respect for anyone still doing their thing 20-30+ years in.
"Disturbed had ; OH-WAH-AH-AH-AH!"
UHHH UHH
That was my favorite part of the video haha
I remember being a drunk 22 year-old partying at a college kegger, and we were all trying to sing that part. Take me back!
Haha... Classic.
Friend of mine back in High School grabbed the mic used by Principal for lunch announcements and did that part of the song.. loud as hell... and he was actually not too bad at it..
Later that day he got called into the office.. and he said the Principal said to him... all serious like.
“Well, Robert... I have reports that today during lunch you used the microphone that’s there for lunch announcements and made a very loud - “Oooo-a-a-a-aahh” sound...”
We still laugh about it to this day...
"Alternative music... started making music for other bands instead of the fans." Truth. Same thing happened to jazz when guys like Coltrane and Davis started playing hard bop and then modal jazz. You couldn't sing along, dance to it, or really even get the full sound out of your car's dinky McCarthy-era speakers. It was music for musicians to listen to -- with scotch in-hand -- while seated in a chill lounge or by the record player at home. The saxophone died while the guitar, rock, and r&b took over. History repeats itself repeats history.
Talent =/= sales
Sales =/= talent
I’m a mainstream rock radio DJ. There’s a lot of crap that gets played. But there’s also some talented musicians in there too.
Rock radio does what we do (good or bad) for all the reasons you mentioned. It gets ratings and breeds loyalty among the listeners. Two things that advertisers (the financial engine of any form of media) love.
You should check out When Evil Calls - Sinster Monk. A more radio friendly song Kick The Mic.
I love butt rock, just straight up my favorite go to music. Its comfort music to me and i literally never get sick of it. Idgaf if its good music or bad music or "critically acclaimed", its good to my ears n thats all i care abt.
This video could have been easily titled "why nickelback is popular", and still made sense.
Nailed it!
Right? I don't like butt rock at all, but I agree with Finn 100%.
Is it really genius, when you have record labels paying a lot of money to keep your song in rotation on their radio station? Then, after the one millionth time hearing the song you program the audience to think " it must be good because they keep playing it".
Nail on the head
You got the idea..
When you said "turn the radio on and you'll hear stuff from high school" I did exactly that and Lit my own worst enemy was playing lol
That's a great song. I just learned the other day Lit is still active. I
@@robmitchell3039 ditto, always been a fan of lit
I enjoy Butt Rock (Shinedown, 3 days Grace, Seether, 5 Five Finger Death Punch , Bring me the Horizon, Asking Alexandria, Seether, A7X , etc.) It's some of my favorite stuff right now and yes I also listen to Octane on Sirius xm to listen to current stuff and newer upcoming bands , its a great way to find new bands. Thanks for sharing Finn.
"Moved from Springfield Missouri to a big city and now talks trash on Butt Rock bands"
~~**Starts sweating in very personal experience**
Well I’m from Portland so I guess I get inherited bias
Why is he showing Breaking Benjamin when mentioning bands that are writing music without depth. But breaking Benjamin is super deep.
Especially with their album ember.
Yeah a couple of these bands felt a little out of place compared to the rest of the group. Breaking Ben and Sevenfold were two of the big ones. I can see where the relation comes from, they both have songs with massive radio appeal, but both of these bands are in another place musically.
I would argue that a lot of these bands write deep music, they just aren't as well known or they aren't interpreted as deep because the song is catchy. Dear Agony by Breaking Benjamin hits me deep in the feels every time. One of my favorite Papa Roach songs is about admitting that you need help and they have a lot of songs addressing substance abuse. Shinedown wrote an entire frickin album about getting help with mental illness. Halestorm (not mentioned by name but shown in the video) has songs about being queer. I think that a lot of fans of these bands find the music relatable and that's why they still listen
Seether! You guys forgot Seether! Shaun Morgan is an excellent lyricist. Very good with words and most of their songs aren't generic sounding at all.
Songs like No Jesus Christ. Also very instrumentally driven too. Their early stuff was especially high quality IMO.
Dude is also calling nu metal, which is this genre of music, butt rock. Wtf! Dude should give an actual listen to these songs before douching all over the place!
been listening to this kind of music for pretty much all my teen years and I'm kinda triggered that its called "butt rock"
Yeah,I'm 38 yo, and the term" butt rock" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard this type of rock labeled as!
so what you're saying is you're butt-hurt about the term butt rock?
@Darth Bane we always heard it as new ROCK in the early 2000s, and now some of us just call It rock, nothing more nothing less.
@@HowardTheDork Lmao! Even tho butt hurt is a lot like butt rock the term still sucks,but still funny!
At least it isn't cock rock like Poison, Cinderella, RATT, Motley Crue or Warrent from my teenage days.
Rediscovered my love for Breaking Benjamin a few weeks ago. Makes me think back to the mid 2000s playing Halo with friends, classic RUclips vids...man...now if you don't mind I'm gonna go listen to Breath for the next hour.
This genre is like a good third of the music i listen to. Don't care what people say, i like it.
I like that mindset
Same lol
I feel like this about emo shit bc I didn't gaf in middle school why start now
I’ve seen a couple “Butt Rock” bands live. They put on a hell of a show. The crowd loves what’s going on and it’s an amazing feeling when you and a whole stadium are singing the same song with the band.
Main reason I love going to their shows. Shinedown, Papa Roach, Breaking Benjamin, etc always put on good shows and there is just an overall good vibe at the show.
pnjsmom26 I’ve seen Shinedown open for KISS in 2013 in a stadium. Seen My Darkest Days open for Three Days Grace right before Adam left the band and MDD broke up. Then saw Fozzy and Three Days Grace a few years ago at a Casino. Such a great time!
You know who loves the show and sings along? Justin Beiber fans. This is the whole point of live shows, it's not some unique fact to butt rock. It doesn't matter what kind of music you're talking about, the crowd is full of people who want to be there.
I'd rather hear from someone who saw a live show without already knowing the words to all the songs. All you prove is that people who already like something will still like it live.
@@simpleanswer8954 Wow, I bet you're fun at parties. You just had to be THAT GUY, eh? How about this. Voodoofest 2004. I'd heard of Shinedown but couldn't name a single song. They were first on that day and I caught part of their set standing in line to get in (asshole security not understanding how Canadian cigarette packages work held me up, but I digress). I rocked out to the rest of their set because those boys BROUGHT IT. Brent's voice was incredible back then. I mean, it still is but he sounds different now. I made a point to look into them after that day, and I've been a fan since, and have enjoyed their musical growth. Alter Bridge made a fan of me that day, too. I knew one song and didn't know any words beyond "Will they open their eyes...". Cowboy Mouth and Kid Rock sucked, and Velvet Revolver (who I'd traveled all the way from Canada to New Orleans to see) was just ok. A good show is a good show, whether or not you know the band or the words. I've been to 3 concerts where I knew the chorus of 1 song but had a great time the whole night. I've been to shows where I knew all the words and was bored shitless because the band was phoning it in. It's got NOTHING to do with how familiar one is with the music. Is it fun? Are your fellow audience members cool? Is the band there to give you a show or pick up a paycheck? THAT dictates whether you're going to have a good time. Knowing the songs can be an added bonus, sure, but not at all necessary.
@@Mystress1980 I wasn't asking for someone's life story. I said "I'd rather hear..." It was a statement of general preference, not a request for more input.
I could beat it anyway. You're still talking about a fan of a type of music liking the same type of music from a new band. You're already dressed like everyone else in the crowd.
Show me some poor kid that showed up at a Slayer concert when they didn't even like metal before that. That's the opinion that really means something when you're talking live performance. Show me someone who had their musical taste affected. Not just someone who got introduced to a new band. I didn't like Slipknot until I saw them at Ozzfest, but I didn't consider that to be a stretch. I was already there to see a bunch of metal.
Damn you put me on the spot with “butt rock”. A7X, Breaking Benjamin, 3 Days Grace are still some of my favorite bands.
Tbh all my mates and I love 3DG and Breaking Ben
3DG xo album is great I’ll give you that
A7X is more of a straight up metal band.
A7X didn't start out as butt rock
@@henrydrummond5902 a7x isn't metal. Their first album maybe. But definitely not since Matt got his vocal surgery due to screaming improperly.
Brent Smith from Shinedown has an insane voice, I love his acoustic cover of Simple Man it's insane, but anything he sings sounds crazy good.
Brent Smith's voice is incredible!
Agreed
Thing I notice most is how well he enunciates. When he covered in the air tonight every word is so easy to understand.
The metal community needs to respect these bands because they are what’s drawing people to the genre and the gateway to all the “good” stuff everyone seems to like but nobody listens to.
Yet, none of these bands are of the metal genre…. With the exception of Drowning Pool, which were nü metal. Aka, the armpit of the metal community. And Disturbed’s first album “The Sickness” was arguably nü metal.
@@MetallicaKing48 that’s exactly why the heavy music community is the most hated on, toxic cesspool, labels on labels. Since you seem like a well versed rock music enthusiast, what genre do the Deftones fall into ? That shouldn’t be too hard, they’re fairly popular and my favorite band btw.
@@semird615 lol I’m 32 my guy. You don’t think that I don’t know? They started off as nü metal, but grew overtime as both experimental and alternative metal/ rock. I would give them more credit though for being one of the best bands out of the nü metal scene along with KoRn and SlipKnot. Coal Chamber (while underground and underrated) was arguably really good too.
@@MetallicaKing48 see that's what I'm talking about, they're not just Nu Metal but still get compared to bands that didn't stray too far from their roots. All this labeling and division is the exact reason why the Rock community is looked at as stuck up snobs and hard to het into. I'm somewhere in between a fan and casual listener but if someone told you they're a metalhead and listen to Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Godsmack and Kid Rock you'd most likely cringe and dismiss them and their oppinion on what's good heavy music. I may play that one Tool song from time to time, idc for their discography even though I know it's some deep shit but, I'm not that deep into it. it's the sound for me, Bizkit, Kid Rock and Linkin park went Diamond for a reason, people just want some heavy riffage and breakdowns that they can wild out to. I've never listened to a Dream Theatre song in my life, nondisrespect but there's just not appealing to me.
@@semird615 I did like Three Dollar Bill and the Chocalate Starfish & Hotdog Flavored Water albums by Limp. But had mixed feeling with Significant Other and I didn’t care at all for Results May Vary.
Idk dude... some of these "butt rock" bands use some darn good instrumentation and innovation. I'm talking about avenged sevenfold. Synyster Gates is one of the best guitarists of our time. Also, Breaking Benjamin is pretty innovative as well and their intros are amazing.
I listen to harley davidson rock which is a subgenre of butt rock like load by metallica songs like the outlaw torn and ain't my b***h definitely sound like something you hear while riding a Harley Davidson Electra Glide
I recommend the band Polyphia. Start with nightmare, Crush, or Florence
Syn is extremely overrated. He's really stepped up his playing on The Stage, but a LOT of his solos are rooted in the same few arpeggios and metalcore cliches. I mostly credit BB for getting me into downtuning but tbh their guitar playing itself is like a less technical Mark Tremonti
Listen to The Stage again. A7x are excellent song writers
A7X isn't butt rock imo, it's modern heavy metal with prog influences
As John Popper once said. "The hook brings you back."
Krispy Kreme brought him back as well...
He ain't telling you no lies