“That was great because it got rid of all those guys with hairspray and leotards. Then Kurt came in like a phoenix and cut them down like wheat before the sickle. 'You are DONE.' I particularly loved his music. When one of his songs came on it just hit you - it was so good and there won’t be any more." -Tom Petty
@@hellsunicornGTFOH go puff up your hair and dust off your leotard lol. Tom Petty got it right. Kurt brought it back to Tom's style of music instead of perms and make up
Vince sums it up perfectly. They wanted to sing about getting high and drunk while f’ing women. And that was the problem. The 80s hair metal was all about the party. Grunge came in and kicked all that down, showing more real life and real problems instead. And relating to a much younger audience. I was 14ish when grunge hit. Instantly fell in love with AIC. Just made sense to my brain then, and still does now. You can’t spend your entire life loving the hair metal life. It’s an empty existence
I felt the exact same way. I worshiped bands like poison when I was in jr high but when Nirvana came out I was 16 and over that hair metal scene. They were anything but relatable.
@@ronalddonloginGNR was never hair metal. Grunge was just the disco of the early 90s. Totally irrelevant and just another trend in music. That has been all but forgotten. My kids ages 12-21 have no clue? Who any grunge bands are/were? They all know who GNR and all the original members along with their songs are though. Thats the difference between timeless great music? And music that is trendy for a few years. Because it hits a certain niche of people. Regardless of how you feel about the bands or singers personally? Whenever anyone talks about? The greatest albums ever made? Appetite for Destruction. Will never not be mentioned? And Nevermind? Will never be mentioned! Just the cold hard truth!
It never affected Pantera. I feel like 80s Metal was already on its way out and the 90s grunge scene was just another scene that music labels could exploit. It didnt take long for grunge to die either.
@@nicholaskruger9460 Pantera started as a glam metal band.......but didn't have the chops to write bluesy hard rock....they evolved into something different. You'll notice I didn't say "better".
Funny thing is it didn't affect the Big 4 thrash like Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, and made them even bigger, but almost all other from the thrash scene either broke up or changed sound.
@@gx1tar1erOh yes it did, have you actually listened to Anthrax’s Sound Of White Noise, Megadeth’s Cryptic Writings or the utterly terrible Load albums? The only band in the Big 4 that didn’t have their sound directly impacted by the 90s “alternative” craze was Slayer, and even they struggled to keep things going in the mid to late 90s.
@user-ix7ik1yp5o No it's not. So he was the temperamental lead singer, Who cares? That's also what brought GNR. All the way to the top. You and your friend here need to buy a clue together
No, they suffered because they immediately forgot about everything that made Appetite for Destruction so successful. The Use Your Illusion albums were a bloated mess.
@UrbanMonkey55 Use Your illusions was their White Album, like they said, and though I was a convert to Appetite For Destruction I very much loved those too, especially Estranged. Don't presume then to be speaking for the all of us.
Exactly. Guns were bigger at the time. At least until Kurt checked out. Millennial revisionist history makes me laugh. They want Gen X culture to be their own so badly because their era of music is nothing but fabricated pop stars. I get it, I’d be that way to if the big stars of my coming of age were Taylor Swift, Gaga and Kanye
@@Censored4UViaGooglelol. Cute. GnR begged, BEGGED Nirvana to tour with them. GnR was obsessed with Nirvana and Nirvana didn't care about them at all. It's clear who was done and who was shining like a diamond. I get it, when you grew up listening to motley crew and warrant, you'd be desperate for a better story. Sorry grunge showed the world just how bad your favorite bands really were.
It’s a myth nirvana killed off all these bands and big 80’s bands. The terrible ones they did acts like Bon Jovi , guns n roses , def lep were all still selling out shows and having big album sales. Nirvana were brilliant and nevermind is a classic but they never hit the heights guns did or could sell out Wembley stadium like Bon Jovi did in mid 90’s. They were mostly an arena band. Great band , grunge itself was amazing but it came and it went pretty quickly.
You mean the selfish junkie that offed himself and left his child with it's junkie mother? Yeah, he was a "real nice guy". It makes sense if you don't think about it.
@@timorthelame1wow what an insane despicable way to view mental illness. he wasn’t just some selfish junkie he had severe bipolar depression for years and also chronic pain which led him to self medication with heroin and eventually hardcore addiction. yes he was a addict & depressed, he was in pain and struggling with an illness that he felt he couldn’t fight anymore. you sound so small brained with no empathy
It's funny because everyone was sold on Nirvana because of Smells Like Teen Spirit. It was the Come as You Are video that sold me. I was 10 spending the weekend at my mom's because my parents were divorced. That video came on, and it blew my mind. I was like, "holy crap! This song is amazing!" I had the Nevermind cassette the very next weekend 😂
When I was growing up, I liked music of all of these bands, mostly of Gnr and Nirvana. I had no idea there was some clash of styles or whatever, it was just good music, evoking somewhat different emotions.
A bunch of trend-followers from the 80s whining that they didn't manage to successfully follow the 90s trends. G'N'R continued to sell albums and sell out stadiums throughout "Grunge era". Grunge had no impact on their popularity. The writer sounds like they weren't there.
Guns N' Roses wasn't destroyed, or even diminished by Nirvana. The music video for November Rain came out 5 months after the release of Nevermind, and it still debuted #1 on MTV's most wanted, and went on to be the most requested video on MTV, ever. It is also the first music video on RUclips that was released before the advent of RUclips to reach 1 billion views. It currently has 2.1 billion views compared to 1.8 billion views for Smells Like Teen Spirit.
Im probably in the Minority here but i Loved both the illusion albums & Nevermind at the same time back in the day. I understood they were different bands with different styles but i could appreciate both styles of Music. The feud between Grunge & Hair Metal was totally created by the Media. Some of the bands got into it but most just wanted to write music and tour.
as someone who grew up at the time, granted it was a little young but was really into music when that happened, 80s hair metal hit a wall because it was all the same, it had become formulaic at the time, the youth of that time were tired of that sound and what it stood for, we wanted something more raw, less polished and meant something more
I mean, who really copied Nirvana? Silverchair a little, and then way later maybe Smile Empty Soul but I can't think of that many. The media falsely claimed Bush were Nirvana wannabees but what you hear in them that is simmilar is that both Bush and Nirvana were influenced by bands like Pixies and My Bloody Valentine.
I mean, who really copied Nirvana? Silverchair a little, and then way later maybe Smile Empty Soul but I can't think of that many. The media falsely claimed Bush were Nirvana wannabees but what you hear in them that is simmilar is that both Bush and Nirvana were influenced by bands like Pixies and My Bloody Valentine.
Thats the problem with music industry. Always on rivalry. Not supporting all bands. Making bad opinion to other bands just to destroy reputations of other bands.
I remember reading somewhere that due to the corrupt practices in the recording industry, each band member of Nirvana made a total of like $40,000 for Nevermind. That's crazy to me.
That’s the way the major labels have always done things, which is part of why WASP’s The Crimson Idol ended up being a semi-prophetic prediction of Kurt’s downfall. Kurt and his buddies made a deal with the devil when they hooked up with David Geffen, and to this day most Nirvana fans will die on the hill of defending Geffen Records because of their role in ushering in the so-called grunge wave. No matter what musical movement you throw in with, the label executives will be there to take their obscene cut of the profits. It took them 10 years to turn the LA sleaze scene into a commercialized joke, they did it with grunge in less than 4.
I still remember the first time I heard Nirvana, SLTS on the radio in my bedroom late at night. I spent the rest of the night searching the radio channels to see if I could hear the song again. Next day at school everyone was suddenly talking about Nirvana. Funny thing is before that I was listening to all the hair metal bands. That night everything changed for me musically. I don't remember the first time I heard Poison but I'll never forget Nirvana.
Early eighties, I too was into hair metal. Then I heard Master of Puppets, and that was that. Now that I'm a lot older, I've gone back and reexamined some sixties and seventies bands, dipped my toes into jazz, gone through all of the succession of subgenres of industrial music, and still find so many hidden gems that I missed over the years, like the band Failure. I didn't really get into Radiohead until they were like on their seventh album. Music is great! There's lifetimes of materials to discover and review, let alone play over and over again.
Mother Love Bone which basically turned into Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains both were hair bands before they made their. Soundgarden and Nirvana were not. Now I wouldn't say Mother Love Bone was exactly like the hair band were talking about in this video, but it was sort of swaggy rock and roll along the lines of guns n' roses more so than warrant or Motley Crue
@@MotleyLand They did but sounded different as well. It’s easy to tell when something is original or just copied. There is no band that sounds like Mother Love Bone. You can name as many hair metal bands as possible and they don’t have the same vibe.
Andrew wood started the sarcastic humor the grew in the 90’s. He wasn’t being serious when he was giving shout outs to all the people in the back while performing in a small club rather than a stadium. Also Apple was a transitional album that was never heard due to Andy’s OD. Due your research if your going to make comments as if you know what you’re talking about. MLB’s sound would’ve evolved no different than soundgarden or AIC
I was more into Alice in Chains. Korn. White Zombie etc.....And I love the 80s. Every decade is their own thing. I don't know much about the 70s, but i imagine it also was a great decade 🤘🎵
Actually no, not for another 3 years was there an actual turn. Not until 1993 did grunge and alternate fill up the radio and album sales. There was a two year transition when older styles were still heard.
Imagine if, Audioslave didn't have that name, but instead they announced that Chris Cornell was the new singer of Rage Against The Machine. That's what Motley Crue did! If they only changed the name, presented themselves as a new band, I think the album would get a better reception. People would've bought the album expecting something new. Instead, people were suckered into buying a Motley Crue album that wasn't. I feel bad for John Corabi. He didn't have a chance.
@@bazcrowther8205bro rock n roll by ur definition is the 50s n early 60s stuff. After the British heavy metal invasion the genre became ROCK MUSIC. But it’s still rock n roll
Kids that became Nirvana fans..were the little Brothers and Sisters of the Heavy metal kids in the 80s.. same thing happened to Rock in roll When the Beatles came on the scene. All those 1950s kids had little Bros and Sisters😂
The Motleys took their first gimmick fashion look straight from WASP. At the time at least they were straight enough to talk about it with Blackie Lawless himself so Blackie was fine with the copycats.
I don’t get the Hate towards Either Camp…I Enjoyed VH/Ratt/Dokken/Whitesnake (Blues Band at First)/Poison/Faster Pussycat/GNR…. Just as much as Soundgarden/AIC/P.Jam/Mother Love Bone/Nirvana…. Man, I also still LOVE Zeppelin/Stones/Who/SRV/Clapton…I feel Sorry for People that get, “Stuck” in a Genre’ and just Refuse to Get into ANYTHING ELSE !!! And in that Vein, Sinatra/Streisand/Mathis/Martin are Fantastic Vocalists with Incredible Musicians behind them…
I think it is interesting to contrast the Hair Metal bands complaining about The Seattle Sound killing their careers while the American Hardcore Punk bands, most of which never really even had careers generally have positive things to say about Nirvana and Nevermind.
"Hair Metal", is actually a derogatory term, coined by 80's Thrash Bands, as an insult to Glam Metal...the actual subgenre. Nirvana, and Grunge, didn't kill anything. The 80's were all about having a good time, and enjoying life. The 90's brought in a time of change: angst, depression, despair; self loathing became the "new norm". The 90's were the hangover from the 80's; nobody wanted to have good times anymore. Glam Metal killed itself, it imploded...nothing to do with Nirvana or Grunge. Guns n Roses co-headlined tours with Metallica, a year after Nevermind was released...but they destroyed themselves, as well. Nirvana and Grunge didn't kill anything, they just added to the flavor. 🤘🏻
Really góod bands could mostly survive. Metallica, GnR, ac/DC, Ozzy , and others survived. Grunge helped filter out a lot of crap. Still really love that first Poison record though.
You're right, the good bands did survive. In Mexico culture and taste is very different, it was until i moved to the U.S that I found out people laughed at hair metal and glam. There was this guy over there ranting about Nirvana saying that metal was better because it was about a "good time" and that songs about depression are lame. Which is funny because most of actual good metal like Sabbath, Metallica and slayer talk a lot about mental health problems and the injustices of our governments and war. It kinda gave me the assumption that the "metal" they listened to was fast food metal like Poison, Mötley crew etc.
I remember bands such as Metallica, Faith No More and Soundgarden growing in popularity because they were attracting a younger and newer generational fan base.
What is that song you frequently use in the beginning of your videos?? I love it and want to listen to the whole song. I also love your videos. Its 2:41 a.m. right now and I hadn't noticed lol I just watched like 5 videos in a row
In the early 90's a lot of established musicians disregarded "grunge music" as being a passing fad that would soon disappear, when in fact it was "hair bands" that were the fad. They needed something to blame for their failing album sales and decreased popularity, and NIRVANA made for the perfect target. There's not one bad track on Nevermind, and it changed rock music forever. But how long did they actually think that their stale music and teased out hair and lipstick was going to last? Were we going to pay for songs like "Unskinny Bop" forever? Hair bands died of natural causes.
Both were fads my lad....but hard rock always lives in one form or another. Many of those glam bands are playing stadiums or arenas. Other than Pearl Jam I can't think of another one of the grunge bands that is still capable of even filling a theater.
@@MotleyLand I can't disagree with you there, you're right. With all of the overdoses and suicides, there aren't many bands left who made it out of that "grunge" era unscathed. I should have made it more clear that my comment was focused on what was being said as those styles of music were colliding. But, regardless, you do have a good point.
@@MotleyLandNo, not even remotely. Nevermind's still on the charts, and Nirvana has 32 million monthly listeners on Spotify. That's more than Metallica (26 million), and Metallica has no problem selling out stadiums. You're not seriously this out of touch?
Mentioned is Alice In Chains, but not mentioned is the fact that they started out as more of a hair metal type of act and by the time they actually recorded Facelift, were transitioning into more of the grunge movement and sound. I feel they stand apart from most grunge acts, but still fall within. But with that being said, even on some of the earliest demos of some of the songs that would wind up rerecorded and on Facelift, you can hear the hair metal sound a lot more (in both the music and Layne's vocal delivery). I don't know what really came first, the chicken or the egg, but at some point they became the AIC everyone knows. I don't know if the grunge movement had a big impact on their change or if it happened organically, but jeez, I'm sure glad it happened. Layne's voice is still great on those early demos, but it really evolved fast... the goat. RIP Layne...
I think AIC is probably the band you can see the death of 80s and hear the transition into grunge more than any other. I think its really weird to somehow stand them apart from grunge just cause their sound was more metal than punk which is to say I think all Nirvana did was just put a punk spin on what the OG grunge bands were doing.
Nirvana is ok but cobain even said himself. Said he was an ok singer but Layne Staley was a hell of a singer. AIC is the best so called Grunge band in my opinion
@@derocsteady Layne is my favorite male vocalist ever... so I can't disagree. I liked Nirvana more during the time period, but have learned to love AIC if not as much-- but maybe more.
Motley Crue's eponymous album and Def Leppard's Slang album were attempts by both bands to adapt to the 90s grunge scene, but Joe Elliot of Def Leppard later admitted that they should've just taken a break during that time and come back with a new album after the grunge trend passed.
I love that quote from Nikki Sixx. The dude was humble enough to admit stuff sucks right now. While still wanting to continue and adapt to the new sound. He's still not a good person, but even monsters have their soft sides.
Nirvana’s success didn’t affect any band that was real. All the fake trendy bands had fake trendy fans, and then these trendy bands who changed their sound screwed over their last remaining true fans. It didn’t affect Aerosmith at all and Aerosmith didn’t changed their sound because they’re 100% true to what they do, just like Nirvana.
Every band is going to be a product of it's time. They even affected the thrash bands but I'm impressed that Slayer's Divine Intervention adapted to the times but didn't slow down either.
Funny you mentioned the pixies! It was one of kurts biggest influences and when he finally got the chance to meet frank black he was really nervous and shy.
@@myth00s True, but I dont think you can deny that his melody lines have a signature dissonance to them that has been seldom approximated. People can call him overrated all they want, but for no lack of trying nobody ever did make music that sounded quite like Kurt's.
It was like that guy said at the beginning, the music scene was filled with bands that all sounded the same, Nirvana broke the mold and brought a new sound, but instead of improve themselves, bands and companies panicked and copied.
grunge didnt kill galm, it got oversaturated, grunge didnt get killed either, grunge killed itself (pun intended). Basically every subgenre trend gets oversaturated by music companies signing to many bands and artists.
I think a lot of these hair rock bands were doing well in the 2010's to now because they're doing nostalgia tours. That's a normal trajectory for popular rock bands. In late 1991 and early '92, though, there was a seeking for something new. New Wave had sold out and became too commercial. Hair bands contrasted with thrash metal, which were underground but much closer to the grunge approach with simple clothes and no make-up. All of that really took off, and a lot of people liked both as Nirvana, Soundgarden, AIC, PJ, etc flooded the mainstream. But we also had the underground alternative stuff from the 80s become visible, along with industrial dance music. The stale top 40 and hair band scene finally gave way to what had been rumbling up from under the surface for years.
@@kamalking4933 If you listen to pop music today it has a lot of elements from Trap music. So I would say Trap was a revolution. I don’t like Trap but we need to accept
I dunno, man. As someone who didn't grow up in the states, elsewhere the grunge movement wasn't this industry-changing movement that it's always retrospectively portrayed as. At least in Europe, there was space for all those bands at the same time. We got just as much Nirvana as we did Guns and Roses.
Rewatching Boogie Nights recently and seeing disco turning into the 80's (and video tapes) made me imagine what the 80's hair-metal hedonists must have felt like when the 90's hit!
I feel all talked out on this subject i was born in 1982 grew up to rock, there was a time in the 90's where you could hear such a diversity of music hair bands, the talking heads, janet jackson, metallica dr dre snoop dog, and nirvana, pearl jam, alice in chains but also kick start my heart and dr feel good, and even haddaway's what is love it was a beautiful and perhaps the best time for music EVER why did they all try to mingle together to sound the same and ruin it for everyone most blame cooperate overlords
8:19 I wouldn’t source the guardian for this. To say cobain was about political correctness is insane, I don’t know how they could say that. They’re trying to use him to support their modern political agenda.
First time I saw "Teen Spirit" on MTV, I thought to myself "These guys combined Black Sabbath with REM". Weeks later, everyone on the street was wearing flannel and Docs. Kurt was proud the wave of grunge rockers made the misogynistic 80s bands look ridiculous. He even laughed at how they all tried to catch up by wearing flannel in their videos.
What are you talking about? Find clips with him speaking about it? So unlike Kurt to toot his own horn publicly. You really should spread your assumptions as fact
@@Censored4UViaGoogle Kurt took giant dumps on the 80’s lame bands all the time. In concerts and interviews. You may be too young to remember the early 90’s but I encourage you to look into Nirvana interviews. They are hilarious
RnR HOF should burn down. The Pistols all not showing up when they got indicted was the best. I remember Jonesy saying they still had to drop like 10K a plate to be there and it grossed him out, lord knows what Lydon had to say bout that haha. Jonsey years later said on his radio show that he actually wanted the award so he could sell it on eBay lol
@@mistertagomago7974 The secret sauce IMO was the Thrash influence. The darker Thrash esque intervals and dissonance mixed with the early indie rock sound was pretty much the Grunge recipe, and remains a staple to this day. Everyone credits Grunge but IMO it was Thrash, and its integration into rock, that truly killed blues-based rock.
@@mistertagomago7974it Disney matter nirvana brought it to mainstream and thats why theu are recognized so much by alot of people. The were stars those bands you just listed are all underground and never helped bring it to the mainstream though
The haunting and eerie melodies that Cobain brought, "Sappy" and "Dumb" are good examples, alone places him in a league of his own. That haunting melody that is in 'Sappy' and 'Dumb' I can't seem to find in Kurts influences, it may be 100% uniquely him.
The thing is all these guys had their moments in time and they made more than enough money doing it. They didn’t need any more than that every era ends and something new comes along same happened to grunge too.
With Grunge, audience made shift, majors cashed. It was buzz in late 80s allready and alternative buble exploded in early 90s. Except Grunge, wider audience shift also to Hardcore here Biohazard, Dog Eat Dog, Life Of Agony, Skate Punk here NOFX and Rancid, and more. People wanted Metal also but more extreme and serious like Pantera, Sepultura, Machine Head and Death Metal,. Slayer was still going strong. I went in to music like that by simple: I heard it me like It. That 80s Glam Rock it didnt catch my soul.
I agree with the comment that bands jumped on the Grunge wagon and saturated the sound. Record companies found a way to squeeze the juice out of it like a lemon and then you're left with just a peel at the end.
Love 80's metal - all genres...love Nirvana, and AIC is still killing it! Pearl Jam?? Not so much - sorry. You can like music without a label on it. My heart is still stuck in the 80's though!!
nobody even mentioned how grunge had an effect on the hairspray industry. Hairspray companies went out of business left and right. And spandex industry too. Grunge destroyed them and many investors lost out.
Dont forget that Alice in chains facelift album was out a year before nevermind. And also Stone Temple pilots album Core. Those two albums are a Staple in the alternative Rock sound in my opinion. It changed everything.
No. I experienced that Era. I always thought the grunge thing was a phase. I loved 😍 my hair metal guys and still do. I liked some Alternative Music where Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, and few other bands were concerned including NIRVANA but I never stopped listening to my favorites, like Guns N' Roses, Motley Crue and so many others. I did not see or expect their hard rock style to go and you know what, sadly for Kurt Cobain 😕 he lost and they won out.
@@getit9066 😂 If you think the left isn't pro 2A you just associate the left with progressives and liberals. A LOT of socialists, and especially anarchists (and the stuff Kurt was influenced by was a lot of anarchist PNW punk scene stuff) are very pro 2A. Kurt was essentially very left.
@@getit9066 😂 If you think the left isn't pro 2A you just associate the left with progressives and liberals. A LOT of socialists, and especially anarchists (and the stuff Kurt was influenced by was a lot of anarchist PNW punk scene stuff) are very pro 2A. Kurt was essentially very left.
@@getit9066he did say he hated the right leaning attitudes of his hometown. Also the fact that be republicans were in power and that not a whole lot could be done during that time. His words. Who cares if he likes guns. I like guns too
With Nirvana, grunge definitely overpowered rock in the 90s. Rock didn’t disappear but people were immediately drawn to grunge. The sound was powerful, captivating and unlike anything that had existed before. Nothing wrong with that; it was a great experience.
I would say it was bands such as Guns N’ Roses and Metallica topping the charts before the so-called grunge scene took over the airwaves, as to why fans stopped listening to hair/pop metal bands. I never put Mötley Crüe in the hair-metal category but a number of fans did, and stopped taking them seriously. But I am the type of guy who could listen to bands like REM at the same time love Van Halen.
Yes I think it was on its way out, I did like most of the rock bands, I was a teenager in the 80s. I did think that it was getting to be over the top, I but I wasn’t happy that the new music coming in felt depressing snd the way they dressed was plain in comparison to the 80s. Now I understand that Kurt was a musical genius, and there were some good bands out there.
Like others have said, The decline of guns was not a result of “grunge” or nirvana. They did it to themselves. Unfortunately. Based on my expert research Use your illusions came out a week before nevermind. Sold 35 million copies. Nevermind sold 30 million. Sounds like gnr was still going pretty damn strong at that point.
As a guitar player and music fan I can say I’m proud of the 4 Seattle bands and others that followed that trend. Great music. Also far harder to play than 80’s glam riffs!
i dont believe the music was bad necessarily I just think by the end of the 80s a lot of the most popular rock bands had the same feel and it began to get repetitive and fate changed things for the better
In Mexico culture and taste is very different, it was until i moved to the U.S that I found out people laughed at hair metal and glam. There was this guy over there ranting about Nirvana saying that metal was better because it was about a "good time" and that songs about depression are lame. Which is funny because most of actual good metal like Sabbath, Metallica and slayer talk a lot about mental health problems and the injustices of our governments and war. It kinda gave me the assumption that the "metal" they listened to was fast food metal like Poison, Mötley crew etc.
What you don’t understand is that it was the radio stations that continued to push this and block out the older style stuff. It was not necessarily because it was “better”. And younger people are very easily led, so there ya go.
“That was great because it got rid of all those guys with hairspray and leotards. Then Kurt came in like a phoenix and cut them down like wheat before the sickle. 'You are DONE.' I particularly loved his music. When one of his songs came on it just hit you - it was so good and there won’t be any more." -Tom Petty
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Hey, even Tom Petty isn’t immune from saying dumb stuff every now and then.
…”I loved him. He was amazing. To me Nirvana was the most significant thing since The Beatles”.
@@hellsunicornGTFOH go puff up your hair and dust off your leotard lol. Tom Petty got it right. Kurt brought it back to Tom's style of music instead of perms and make up
And now those bands are back and Grunge is nowhere.
Vince sums it up perfectly. They wanted to sing about getting high and drunk while f’ing women. And that was the problem. The 80s hair metal was all about the party. Grunge came in and kicked all that down, showing more real life and real problems instead. And relating to a much younger audience. I was 14ish when grunge hit. Instantly fell in love with AIC. Just made sense to my brain then, and still does now. You can’t spend your entire life loving the hair metal life. It’s an empty existence
I felt the exact same way. I worshiped bands like poison when I was in jr high but when Nirvana came out I was 16 and over that hair metal scene. They were anything but relatable.
@@ronalddonloginGNR was never hair metal. Grunge was just the disco of the early 90s. Totally irrelevant and just another trend in music. That has been all but forgotten. My kids ages 12-21 have no clue? Who any grunge bands are/were? They all know who GNR and all the original members along with their songs are though. Thats the difference between timeless great music? And music that is trendy for a few years. Because it hits a certain niche of people. Regardless of how you feel about the bands or singers personally? Whenever anyone talks about? The greatest albums ever made? Appetite for Destruction. Will never not be mentioned? And Nevermind? Will never be mentioned! Just the cold hard truth!
@@CoreyT127 Mate...are you serious?
It never affected Pantera. I feel like 80s Metal was already on its way out and the 90s grunge scene was just another scene that music labels could exploit. It didnt take long for grunge to die either.
Pantera wasn’t hair metal or glam or pop metal. That were brutal so they had nothing to do with getting eliminated
@@nicholaskruger9460 Pantera started as a glam metal band.......but didn't have the chops to write bluesy hard rock....they evolved into something different. You'll notice I didn't say "better".
Funny thing is it didn't affect the Big 4 thrash like Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, and made them even bigger, but almost all other from the thrash scene either broke up or changed sound.
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@@gx1tar1erOh yes it did, have you actually listened to Anthrax’s Sound Of White Noise, Megadeth’s Cryptic Writings or the utterly terrible Load albums? The only band in the Big 4 that didn’t have their sound directly impacted by the 90s “alternative” craze was Slayer, and even they struggled to keep things going in the mid to late 90s.
GNR suffered because of Axl not Nirvana
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No it's not. So he was the temperamental lead singer, Who cares? That's also what brought GNR. All the way to the top. You and your friend here need to buy a clue together
Lol according to Slash, Duff and Izzy they left because of Axl
No, they suffered because they immediately forgot about everything that made Appetite for Destruction so successful. The Use Your Illusion albums were a bloated mess.
@UrbanMonkey55
Use Your illusions was their White Album, like they said, and though I was a convert to Appetite For Destruction I very much loved those too, especially Estranged.
Don't presume then to be speaking for the all of us.
Guns N Roses still filled up stadiums after Nevermind. They imploded from within. Grunge didn't hurt them at all.
Exactly. Guns were bigger at the time. At least until Kurt checked out. Millennial revisionist history makes me laugh. They want Gen X culture to be their own so badly because their era of music is nothing but fabricated pop stars. I get it, I’d be that way to if the big stars of my coming of age were Taylor Swift, Gaga and Kanye
@@Censored4UViaGooglenah, there was tons of great post hardcore, punk and emo music in the 2000s.
@@Censored4UViaGooglelol. Cute. GnR begged, BEGGED Nirvana to tour with them. GnR was obsessed with Nirvana and Nirvana didn't care about them at all. It's clear who was done and who was shining like a diamond. I get it, when you grew up listening to motley crew and warrant, you'd be desperate for a better story. Sorry grunge showed the world just how bad your favorite bands really were.
It’s a myth nirvana killed off all these bands and big 80’s bands. The terrible ones they did acts like Bon Jovi , guns n roses , def lep were all still selling out shows and having big album sales. Nirvana were brilliant and nevermind is a classic but they never hit the heights guns did or could sell out Wembley stadium like Bon Jovi did in mid 90’s. They were mostly an arena band. Great band , grunge itself was amazing but it came and it went pretty quickly.
G n R moved forward and had real talent, it wasn’t all about hairspray and lipstick.
Kurt such a nice guy what he said about MJ was so respectful...
MJ? Mötley Jam?
@@paperoverflowMichael Jackson
You mean the selfish junkie that offed himself and left his child with it's junkie mother? Yeah, he was a "real nice guy". It makes sense if you don't think about it.
@@timorthelame1 The general story by his friends is that offing himself was very out of character but his recent coma had changed something in him.
@@timorthelame1wow what an insane despicable way to view mental illness. he wasn’t just some selfish junkie he had severe bipolar depression for years and also chronic pain which led him to self medication with heroin and eventually hardcore addiction. yes he was a addict & depressed, he was in pain and struggling with an illness that he felt he couldn’t fight anymore. you sound so small brained with no empathy
It's funny because everyone was sold on Nirvana because of Smells Like Teen Spirit. It was the Come as You Are video that sold me. I was 10 spending the weekend at my mom's because my parents were divorced. That video came on, and it blew my mind. I was like, "holy crap! This song is amazing!" I had the Nevermind cassette the very next weekend 😂
That’s the song they stole the hook for from Killing Joke!
@@davidanderson4748who stole it from the Damned. (Life goes on).
Blew your mind? Dude.. Too soon!
Layne Staley's interview was about In utero not Nevermind...💀
That’s what I’m saying😐
Based on a true story
This was terrible
Yeah, and the song is Heart-Shaped Box
Glad you corrected that, it really changed the context🙄
When I was growing up, I liked music of all of these bands, mostly of Gnr and Nirvana. I had no idea there was some clash of styles or whatever, it was just good music, evoking somewhat different emotions.
The feud wasn't about musical differences; it was about Cobain's distaste for Axl's misogyny.
Sixx talking about fashion is hilarious
What he said, was spot on correct.
A bunch of trend-followers from the 80s whining that they didn't manage to successfully follow the 90s trends.
G'N'R continued to sell albums and sell out stadiums throughout "Grunge era". Grunge had no impact on their popularity. The writer sounds like they weren't there.
G’N’R weren’t relevant anymore though, they were already a nostalgia band. That must have hurt their pride a bit.
@@mkyhou1160 you obviously weren't there. G'N'R were at the peak of their popularity, and constantly picking up new fans.
@@blurch I was there. GNR appetite for destruction was my high school generation. When Nirvana arrived though, they sounded dated overnight.
Guns N' Roses wasn't destroyed, or even diminished by Nirvana. The music video for November Rain came out 5 months after the release of Nevermind, and it still debuted #1 on MTV's most wanted, and went on to be the most requested video on MTV, ever. It is also the first music video on RUclips that was released before the advent of RUclips to reach 1 billion views. It currently has 2.1 billion views compared to 1.8 billion views for Smells Like Teen Spirit.
Amen
Yea, but GNR and the other girly hair bands were on their way out. It was their last gasp!
@AnthonyMichaelAMguitar guns and roses are definitely not hair metal in fact they were the ones that got the ball rolling on ending those bands.
well said
when Reign in Blood, Master of Puppets and Peace Sells came out in 1986, it was just a matter of time.
Im probably in the Minority here but i Loved both the illusion albums & Nevermind at the same time back in the day. I understood they were different bands with different styles but i could appreciate both styles of Music.
The feud between Grunge & Hair Metal was totally created by the Media. Some of the bands got into it but most just wanted to write music and tour.
The funny thing is that it was played up to be some holy war back then, but now they’re all played on the same classic rock stations together.
Nirvana's songs are timeless.
as someone who grew up at the time, granted it was a little young but was really into music when that happened, 80s hair metal hit a wall because it was all the same, it had become formulaic at the time, the youth of that time were tired of that sound and what it stood for, we wanted something more raw, less polished and meant something more
Same. I found most of it a little too soft and generic. Grown men dressed like women looked silly to me.
Eh, which album(s) were Badlands’ Voodoo Highway, Extreme’s Pornograffitti and GnR’s Use Your Illusion albums copying again?
Kurt literally would say nonsense on his songs. Irony.
nevermind is such a masterpiece
One album doesn’t make a career
Bleach and in utero ares better
@@botboy6977lol. That one record started a bigger career than almost every other album ever released. You sound pathetic.
@@botboy6977 Have you heard Bleach?
@@PUNKinDRUBLIC72 been awhile, I do like the unplugged album
The thumbnail is misleading. This video has nothing whatsoever to do with Michael Jackson. Clickbait..
Yeah true. Nirvana kicked MJ from the number 1 spot, but MJ never gave a statement to it
Nirvana Forever💯💥👊🏽🔥😎
Rachel was right 100% in his analysis. Lots of Nirvana copycats stagnated the market and ruined it.
Like Crash Test Dummies, lol
I mean, who really copied Nirvana? Silverchair a little, and then way later maybe Smile Empty Soul but I can't think of that many. The media falsely claimed Bush were Nirvana wannabees but what you hear in them that is simmilar is that both Bush and Nirvana were influenced by bands like Pixies and My Bloody Valentine.
I mean, who really copied Nirvana? Silverchair a little, and then way later maybe Smile Empty Soul but I can't think of that many. The media falsely claimed Bush were Nirvana wannabees but what you hear in them that is simmilar is that both Bush and Nirvana were influenced by bands like Pixies and My Bloody Valentine.
@@whatabouttheearth I think Bush comes to mind for me
@@rageinternet9391 Yeah, first band that comes to mind is Bush.
Thats the problem with music industry. Always on rivalry. Not supporting all bands. Making bad opinion to other bands just to destroy reputations of other bands.
So much of the narrative around the state of rock music is based on what corpos were telling us.
My uncle was their original drummer. Unfortunately for him, he got kicked out shortly before the made it big.
He was Great drummer. Can you share some cool stories?
Your talking about chad channing??
@@TTobyyyy Noooo most likely Aaron Burckhard the very first drummer of Nirvana ;)
@@StonerMattLol going by his name, I think you're right!
Nirvana, Alice and Chains, and Soundgarden - all really amazing bands - no comparison there
Stone Temple Pilots, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins and Silverchair.
@@cascade3769 😊👍🏽
I remember reading somewhere that due to the corrupt practices in the recording industry, each band member of Nirvana made a total of like $40,000 for Nevermind. That's crazy to me.
That’s the way the major labels have always done things, which is part of why WASP’s The Crimson Idol ended up being a semi-prophetic prediction of Kurt’s downfall. Kurt and his buddies made a deal with the devil when they hooked up with David Geffen, and to this day most Nirvana fans will die on the hill of defending Geffen Records because of their role in ushering in the so-called grunge wave. No matter what musical movement you throw in with, the label executives will be there to take their obscene cut of the profits. It took them 10 years to turn the LA sleaze scene into a commercialized joke, they did it with grunge in less than 4.
Um, what? They made millions off record sales.
Don’t believe everything you read.
I still remember the first time I heard Nirvana, SLTS on the radio in my bedroom late at night. I spent the rest of the night searching the radio channels to see if I could hear the song again. Next day at school everyone was suddenly talking about Nirvana. Funny thing is before that I was listening to all the hair metal bands. That night everything changed for me musically. I don't remember the first time I heard Poison but I'll never forget Nirvana.
Early eighties, I too was into hair metal. Then I heard Master of Puppets, and that was that. Now that I'm a lot older, I've gone back and reexamined some sixties and seventies bands, dipped my toes into jazz, gone through all of the succession of subgenres of industrial music, and still find so many hidden gems that I missed over the years, like the band Failure. I didn't really get into Radiohead until they were like on their seventh album. Music is great! There's lifetimes of materials to discover and review, let alone play over and over again.
Early Motley had a raw edge to it. Similar to In Utero... All recorded live. Good stuff. Can see why Kurt said he liked it.
I was there in 92’ Kurt blew everyone out of the water, including Michael Jackson. I wish he was still here.
All I can hear when you make the sound you use every time you change subjects is Kurt saying, "Moderate rock" lol
Mother Love Bone which basically turned into Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains both were hair bands before they made their. Soundgarden and Nirvana were not. Now I wouldn't say Mother Love Bone was exactly like the hair band were talking about in this video, but it was sort of swaggy rock and roll along the lines of guns n' roses more so than warrant or Motley Crue
Mother Love Bone are different imo they sound like a band straight out of the 1970s specifically Aerosmith with a punk edge to the overall sound.
Many of the so called grunge bands started life as glam rockers.....
@@eluis95 yes agreed
@@MotleyLand They did but sounded different as well. It’s easy to tell when something is original or just copied. There is no band that sounds like Mother Love Bone. You can name as many hair metal bands as possible and they don’t have the same vibe.
Andrew wood started the sarcastic humor the grew in the 90’s. He wasn’t being serious when he was giving shout outs to all the people in the back while performing in a small club rather than a stadium. Also Apple was a transitional album that was never heard due to Andy’s OD. Due your research if your going to make comments as if you know what you’re talking about. MLB’s sound would’ve evolved no different than soundgarden or AIC
Nothing lasts forever but I really enjoyed both eras. the 80’s hair metal as a child and the grunge stuff as a young adult. Ton of great music.
Music is all subjective - listen to whatever the Fek you like.
You make an excellent point here! I like Nirvana and listen to them every day.
I was more into Alice in Chains. Korn. White Zombie etc.....And I love the 80s. Every decade is their own thing. I don't know much about the 70s, but i imagine it also was a great decade 🤘🎵
I remember 1991 being a turning point in rock music.
It took a while for Nevermind to explode.
Actually no, not for another 3 years was there an actual turn. Not until 1993 did grunge and alternate fill up the radio and album sales. There was a two year transition when older styles were still heard.
Imagine if, Audioslave didn't have that name, but instead they announced that Chris Cornell was the new singer of Rage Against The Machine. That's what Motley Crue did! If they only changed the name, presented themselves as a new band, I think the album would get a better reception. People would've bought the album expecting something new. Instead, people were suckered into buying a Motley Crue album that wasn't.
I feel bad for John Corabi. He didn't have a chance.
Nikki Sixx saw the writing on the wall, and he was a very intelligent visionary. The 80's scene was all played out.
I love all the bands mentioned in this video. It’s all rock and roll at the end of the day.
But it's not though, elvis presley is rock n roll, buddy Holly is rock n roll, the 50s to mid 60s was rock n roll
@@bazcrowther8205 Your point is?
@@bazcrowther8205bro rock n roll by ur definition is the 50s n early 60s stuff. After the British heavy metal invasion the genre became ROCK MUSIC. But it’s still rock n roll
Kids that became Nirvana fans..were the little Brothers and Sisters of the Heavy metal kids in the 80s.. same thing happened to Rock in roll When the Beatles came on the scene. All those 1950s kids had little Bros and Sisters😂
nikki cannot be talking about fashion movements lmao
Right?! Lol Yikes 😬
He’s just jealous.
@@bamabelle7847the lack of self awareness by saying that. Look in the mirror pal
The Motleys took their first gimmick fashion look straight from WASP. At the time at least they were straight enough to talk about it with Blackie Lawless himself so Blackie was fine with the copycats.
We really overstate Nirvana’s impact
The only comment I've seen here that makes since.
Had Kurt not met the end he did, they would have faded away and been about as well remembered as Pearl Jam.
Well then you don’t know anything about the evolution of music
@@XAMAKA... That's quite the reaction
I don’t get the Hate towards Either Camp…I Enjoyed VH/Ratt/Dokken/Whitesnake (Blues Band at First)/Poison/Faster Pussycat/GNR…. Just as much as Soundgarden/AIC/P.Jam/Mother Love Bone/Nirvana…. Man, I also still LOVE Zeppelin/Stones/Who/SRV/Clapton…I feel Sorry for People that get, “Stuck” in a Genre’ and just Refuse to Get into ANYTHING ELSE !!!
And in that Vein, Sinatra/Streisand/Mathis/Martin are Fantastic Vocalists with Incredible Musicians behind them…
Bro Dave Grohl dressed up as Michael Jackson💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️
I think it is interesting to contrast the Hair Metal bands complaining about The Seattle Sound killing their careers while the American Hardcore Punk bands, most of which never really even had careers generally have positive things to say about Nirvana and Nevermind.
The 70s and 80s were fun. ⚡ everything changed as well.
"Hair Metal", is actually a derogatory term, coined by 80's Thrash Bands, as an insult to Glam Metal...the actual subgenre. Nirvana, and Grunge, didn't kill anything. The 80's were all about having a good time, and enjoying life. The 90's brought in a time of change: angst, depression, despair; self loathing became the "new norm". The 90's were the hangover from the 80's; nobody wanted to have good times anymore. Glam Metal killed itself, it imploded...nothing to do with Nirvana or Grunge. Guns n Roses co-headlined tours with Metallica, a year after Nevermind was released...but they destroyed themselves, as well. Nirvana and Grunge didn't kill anything, they just added to the flavor. 🤘🏻
Bad flavour that is!
Kids were sick of bands that were about how great they were, and how many women they slept with. It was played out, boring and unrelateable.
Really góod bands could mostly survive. Metallica, GnR, ac/DC, Ozzy , and others survived. Grunge helped filter out a lot of crap. Still really love that first Poison record though.
And guess what Poison is still making music while Cobain is dead.
@@robertisham5279bad music
You're right, the good bands did survive.
In Mexico culture and taste is very different, it was until i moved to the U.S that I found out people laughed at hair metal and glam.
There was this guy over there ranting about Nirvana saying that metal was better because it was about a "good time" and that songs about depression are lame. Which is funny because most of actual good metal like Sabbath, Metallica and slayer talk a lot about mental health problems and the injustices of our governments and war. It kinda gave me the assumption that the "metal" they listened to was fast food metal like Poison, Mötley crew etc.
I remember bands such as Metallica, Faith No More and Soundgarden growing in popularity because they were attracting a younger and newer generational fan base.
Times music and fashion change it just takes someone new and creative to pop up and set a new scene.
What is that song you frequently use in the beginning of your videos?? I love it and want to listen to the whole song. I also love your videos. Its 2:41 a.m. right now and I hadn't noticed lol I just watched like 5 videos in a row
How isn't 'Hairspray Queen' not mentioned in this vid?
In the early 90's a lot of established musicians disregarded "grunge music" as being a passing fad that would soon disappear, when in fact it was "hair bands" that were the fad. They needed something to blame for their failing album sales and decreased popularity, and NIRVANA made for the perfect target. There's not one bad track on Nevermind, and it changed rock music forever. But how long did they actually think that their stale music and teased out hair and lipstick was going to last? Were we going to pay for songs like "Unskinny Bop" forever? Hair bands died of natural causes.
Both were fads my lad....but hard rock always lives in one form or another. Many of those glam bands are playing stadiums or arenas. Other than Pearl Jam I can't think of another one of the grunge bands that is still capable of even filling a theater.
@@MotleyLand I can't disagree with you there, you're right. With all of the overdoses and suicides, there aren't many bands left who made it out of that "grunge" era unscathed. I should have made it more clear that my comment was focused on what was being said as those styles of music were colliding. But, regardless, you do have a good point.
@@MotleyLandSome of them obviously would if their singers weren't dead.
@@blurch I think "obviously" is a stretch.......
@@MotleyLandNo, not even remotely. Nevermind's still on the charts, and Nirvana has 32 million monthly listeners on Spotify. That's more than Metallica (26 million), and Metallica has no problem selling out stadiums.
You're not seriously this out of touch?
Mentioned is Alice In Chains, but not mentioned is the fact that they started out as more of a hair metal type of act and by the time they actually recorded Facelift, were transitioning into more of the grunge movement and sound. I feel they stand apart from most grunge acts, but still fall within. But with that being said, even on some of the earliest demos of some of the songs that would wind up rerecorded and on Facelift, you can hear the hair metal sound a lot more (in both the music and Layne's vocal delivery). I don't know what really came first, the chicken or the egg, but at some point they became the AIC everyone knows. I don't know if the grunge movement had a big impact on their change or if it happened organically, but jeez, I'm sure glad it happened. Layne's voice is still great on those early demos, but it really evolved fast... the goat. RIP Layne...
RIP Layne Staley. Gifted tortured and a brilliant heart.❤
I think AIC is probably the band you can see the death of 80s and hear the transition into grunge more than any other. I think its really weird to somehow stand them apart from grunge just cause their sound was more metal than punk which is to say I think all Nirvana did was just put a punk spin on what the OG grunge bands were doing.
Nirvana is ok but cobain even said himself. Said he was an ok singer but Layne Staley was a hell of a singer. AIC is the best so called Grunge band in my opinion
@@derocsteady Layne is my favorite male vocalist ever... so I can't disagree. I liked Nirvana more during the time period, but have learned to love AIC if not as much-- but maybe more.
Motley Crue's eponymous album and Def Leppard's Slang album were attempts by both bands to adapt to the 90s grunge scene, but Joe Elliot of Def Leppard later admitted that they should've just taken a break during that time and come back with a new album after the grunge trend passed.
I love that quote from Nikki Sixx. The dude was humble enough to admit stuff sucks right now. While still wanting to continue and adapt to the new sound. He's still not a good person, but even monsters have their soft sides.
Nirvana’s success didn’t affect any band that was real. All the fake trendy bands had fake trendy fans, and then these trendy bands who changed their sound screwed over their last remaining true fans. It didn’t affect Aerosmith at all and Aerosmith didn’t changed their sound because they’re 100% true to what they do, just like Nirvana.
Every band is going to be a product of it's time. They even affected the thrash bands but I'm impressed that Slayer's Divine Intervention adapted to the times but didn't slow down either.
Funny you mentioned the pixies! It was one of kurts biggest influences and when he finally got the chance to meet frank black he was really nervous and shy.
gouge away is the perfect exemple released 2 years earlier
Kurt was a genius in writing his music it's poetry
Relax. He wrote some moody rock songs. Poetry is poetry.
@@myth00s True, but I dont think you can deny that his melody lines have a signature dissonance to them that has been seldom approximated. People can call him overrated all they want, but for no lack of trying nobody ever did make music that sounded quite like Kurt's.
It was like that guy said at the beginning, the music scene was filled with bands that all sounded the same, Nirvana broke the mold and brought a new sound, but instead of improve themselves, bands and companies panicked and copied.
grunge didnt kill galm, it got oversaturated, grunge didnt get killed either, grunge killed itself (pun intended). Basically every subgenre trend gets oversaturated by music companies signing to many bands and artists.
I think a lot of these hair rock bands were doing well in the 2010's to now because they're doing nostalgia tours. That's a normal trajectory for popular rock bands. In late 1991 and early '92, though, there was a seeking for something new. New Wave had sold out and became too commercial. Hair bands contrasted with thrash metal, which were underground but much closer to the grunge approach with simple clothes and no make-up. All of that really took off, and a lot of people liked both as Nirvana, Soundgarden, AIC, PJ, etc flooded the mainstream. But we also had the underground alternative stuff from the 80s become visible, along with industrial dance music. The stale top 40 and hair band scene finally gave way to what had been rumbling up from under the surface for years.
Grunge was the last music revolution.
Nah bro. Trap, Dubstep and all this stuff came after Grunge
@@XAMAKA... Nope, there hasn't been a major shift in music since grunge. Before that, it was psychedelic rock and the British invasion of the 60s
@@kamalking4933 If you listen to pop music today it has a lot of elements from Trap music. So I would say Trap was a revolution. I don’t like Trap but we need to accept
@@XAMAKA... I still consider that a minor shift (just like disco or whatever). It's not an abrupt "sea-change" like grunge and psychedelic rock were.
I dunno, man. As someone who didn't grow up in the states, elsewhere the grunge movement wasn't this industry-changing movement that it's always retrospectively portrayed as. At least in Europe, there was space for all those bands at the same time. We got just as much Nirvana as we did Guns and Roses.
Rewatching Boogie Nights recently and seeing disco turning into the 80's (and video tapes) made me imagine what the 80's hair-metal hedonists must have felt like when the 90's hit!
Mötley Crüe’s 1994 was and is an amazing album.
I think it's the most thoughtful and interesting music they ever made.
No doubt their best. Shoulda kept going with Corabi.
Music in the late 80's was a re-hash of what was done in the 1970's,Nirvana pioneered a new music genre called "grunge".
I feel all talked out on this subject i was born in 1982 grew up to rock, there was a time in the 90's where you could hear such a diversity of music hair bands, the talking heads, janet jackson, metallica dr dre snoop dog, and nirvana, pearl jam, alice in chains but also kick start my heart and dr feel good, and even haddaway's what is love it was a beautiful and perhaps the best time for music EVER why did they all try to mingle together to sound the same and ruin it for everyone most blame cooperate overlords
8:19 I wouldn’t source the guardian for this. To say cobain was about political correctness is insane, I don’t know how they could say that. They’re trying to use him to support their modern political agenda.
First time I saw "Teen Spirit" on MTV, I thought to myself "These guys combined Black Sabbath with REM". Weeks later, everyone on the street was wearing flannel and Docs. Kurt was proud the wave of grunge rockers made the misogynistic 80s bands look ridiculous. He even laughed at how they all tried to catch up by wearing flannel in their videos.
What are you talking about? Find clips with him speaking about it? So unlike Kurt to toot his own horn publicly. You really should spread your assumptions as fact
@@Censored4UViaGoogleHe was talking about Bon Jovi wanting to dress like Nirvana for their video
@@Censored4UViaGoogle Kurt took giant dumps on the 80’s lame bands all the time. In concerts and interviews. You may be too young to remember the early 90’s but I encourage you to look into Nirvana interviews. They are hilarious
Lies.
@@patrickreichert1442lies.
AIC shouldve been in rock n roll HOF button👇🏻
RnR HOF should burn down. The Pistols all not showing up when they got indicted was the best. I remember Jonesy saying they still had to drop like 10K a plate to be there and it grossed him out, lord knows what Lydon had to say bout that haha. Jonsey years later said on his radio show that he actually wanted the award so he could sell it on eBay lol
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@@mattkess3156 Yeah big difference there huh? 😄
yeah i think cause nirvana created a new genre to the new era 90's, and I thought it was amazing
No they didnt. Nirvana was literally taking elements from 80s groups like Pixies, Melvins, Wipers, and Dinosaur Jr.
@@mistertagomago7974 The secret sauce IMO was the Thrash influence. The darker Thrash esque intervals and dissonance mixed with the early indie rock sound was pretty much the Grunge recipe, and remains a staple to this day. Everyone credits Grunge but IMO it was Thrash, and its integration into rock, that truly killed blues-based rock.
@@mistertagomago7974it Disney matter nirvana brought it to mainstream and thats why theu are recognized so much by alot of people. The were stars those bands you just listed are all underground and never helped bring it to the mainstream though
@ That has nothing to do with creating the sound?
The haunting and eerie melodies that Cobain brought, "Sappy" and "Dumb" are good examples, alone places him in a league of his own.
That haunting melody that is in 'Sappy' and 'Dumb' I can't seem to find in Kurts influences, it may be 100% uniquely him.
The thing is all these guys had their moments in time and they made more than enough money doing it. They didn’t need any more than that every era ends and something new comes along same happened to grunge too.
Yeah, “Too Fast For Love” is a great record.
whats that groovy instrumental at 9:11 ?
Def Leppard. Hysteria
@@RoxanaGuillen-e9l hey man thanks a bunch
You did NOT just put MJ on the thumbnail
With Grunge, audience made shift, majors cashed. It was buzz in late 80s allready and alternative buble exploded in early 90s. Except Grunge, wider audience shift also to Hardcore here Biohazard, Dog Eat Dog, Life Of Agony, Skate Punk here NOFX and Rancid, and more. People wanted Metal also but more extreme and serious like Pantera, Sepultura, Machine Head and Death Metal,. Slayer was still going strong. I went in to music like that by simple: I heard it me like It. That 80s Glam Rock it didnt catch my soul.
I agree with the comment that bands jumped on the Grunge wagon and saturated the sound. Record companies found a way to squeeze the juice out of it like a lemon and then you're left with just a peel at the end.
Love 80's metal - all genres...love Nirvana, and AIC is still killing it! Pearl Jam?? Not so much - sorry. You can like music without a label on it.
My heart is still stuck in the 80's though!!
nobody even mentioned how grunge had an effect on the hairspray industry. Hairspray companies went out of business left and right. And spandex industry too. Grunge destroyed them and many investors lost out.
Dont forget that Alice in chains facelift album was out a year before nevermind. And also Stone Temple pilots album Core. Those two albums are a Staple in the alternative Rock sound in my opinion. It changed everything.
It went back way earlier than that. Pixies, Dinosaur Jr, Sonic Youth, Husker Du, Melvins, Vioent Femmes, and Wipers.
No. I experienced that Era. I always thought the grunge thing was a phase. I loved 😍 my hair metal guys and still do. I liked some Alternative Music where Pearl Jam, Sound Garden, and few other bands were concerned including NIRVANA but I never stopped listening to my favorites, like Guns N' Roses, Motley Crue and so many others. I did not see or expect their hard rock style to go and you know what, sadly for Kurt Cobain 😕 he lost and they won out.
Kurt was as politically correct as it was at the time. He stood for the riot girl thing, was left leaning, didn’t like anti gay stuff or womanizing
He also was pro-family and pro-2nd Amendment. Not very left at all there. He was . . . Kurt.
He wasn't left or right, he just said what he thought was right
@@getit9066
😂 If you think the left isn't pro 2A you just associate the left with progressives and liberals. A LOT of socialists, and especially anarchists (and the stuff Kurt was influenced by was a lot of anarchist PNW punk scene stuff) are very pro 2A. Kurt was essentially very left.
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😂 If you think the left isn't pro 2A you just associate the left with progressives and liberals. A LOT of socialists, and especially anarchists (and the stuff Kurt was influenced by was a lot of anarchist PNW punk scene stuff) are very pro 2A. Kurt was essentially very left.
@@getit9066he did say he hated the right leaning attitudes of his hometown. Also the fact that be republicans were in power and that not a whole lot could be done during that time. His words. Who cares if he likes guns. I like guns too
With Nirvana, grunge definitely overpowered rock in the 90s. Rock didn’t disappear but people were immediately drawn to grunge. The sound was powerful, captivating and unlike anything that had existed before. Nothing wrong with that; it was a great experience.
I would say it was bands such as Guns N’ Roses and Metallica topping the charts before the so-called grunge scene took over the airwaves, as to why fans stopped listening to hair/pop metal bands. I never put Mötley Crüe in the hair-metal category but a number of fans did, and stopped taking them seriously. But I am the type of guy who could listen to bands like REM at the same time love Van Halen.
Listening to different genres and styles of music is good.
Yes I think it was on its way out, I did like most of the rock bands, I was a teenager in the 80s. I did think that it was getting to be over the top, I but I wasn’t happy that the new music coming in felt depressing snd the way they dressed was plain in comparison to the 80s. Now I understand that Kurt was a musical genius, and there were some good bands out there.
Where did you get the photo of Kurt? (Thumbnail)
The day where music is pure. MTV was so cool before.
That Crue album with Carabi was the one that was worth a damn
A little bit of both. Like anything popular it was gonna fizzle out eventually.
It was the media and the bands themselves that killed hair metal
Like others have said, The decline of guns was not a result of “grunge” or nirvana. They did it to themselves.
Unfortunately.
Based on my expert research Use your illusions came out a week before nevermind. Sold 35 million copies. Nevermind sold 30 million.
Sounds like gnr was still going pretty damn strong at that point.
Guns n roses sold way more albums than nirvana use your illusion sold 14 million nvm sold 5
As a guitar player and music fan I can say I’m proud of the 4 Seattle bands and others that followed that trend. Great music. Also far harder to play than 80’s glam riffs!
Thanks to them it open doors to other great bands in the 2000s they needed something new
"Heavier Than Heaven" Book by Charle R. Cross
Layne was actually talking about in utero in that clip, not nevermind
One common mistake, Nirvana didn't kill anyone's career. The music that came out from bands like Motley Crue ect... Was just bad music.
i dont believe the music was bad necessarily I just think by the end of the 80s a lot of the most popular rock bands had the same feel and it began to get repetitive and fate changed things for the better
And all these hair bands like Motley and Poison are still making music while Cobain is long dead.
@@robertisham5279yayyyyyy! Thank Gawd!😂
@@robertisham5279Shitty music, what an accomplishment.
In Mexico culture and taste is very different, it was until i moved to the U.S that I found out people laughed at hair metal and glam.
There was this guy over there ranting about Nirvana saying that metal was better because it was about a "good time" and that songs about depression are lame. Which is funny because most of actual good metal like Sabbath, Metallica and slayer talk a lot about mental health problems and the injustices of our governments and war. It kinda gave me the assumption that the "metal" they listened to was fast food metal like Poison, Mötley crew etc.
What you don’t understand is that it was the radio stations that continued to push this and block out the older style stuff. It was not necessarily because it was “better”. And younger people are very easily led, so there ya go.
lol when the 80s bands said that it was a fashion thing, made me laugh!!!
Forever NIRVANA 🗿
Honestly I didn’t think that GRUNGE was a massive deal back then but well it’s dead now RIP genre you will be missed
What’s the song at the very end?