A Critical Review of Dragon Shield Cube Shells | Magic The Gathering
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We are lucky to have a voice for the consumer like the Prof. We’ve seen products update and improve based on his influence, and I hope to see DS make a second rev.
Consumers aren't the only ones who love his honesty. The companies get great feedback from him as he's not just another shill who won't speak his mind.
These companies take notes on every video he releases.
That's why i subscribed to him: He put products i'm interested in to a test that i can't find online elsewhere. Seems like most sites are mostly just reflecting the official description
Dragon Shield consistently listen to consumers, not only those with a platform either, they are amazing, im also hoping they are gonna be improving these boxes
@@Wack.. if they fix this issue, i would gladly pick up a set and build a cube.
To everyone watching this, Dragon Shield redesigned their Cube Shells to fix the problems showcased in this video. I bought the new ones for my Jumpstart 2022 cube and they are absolutely perfect. Very affordable, at least in the USA, at $12 USD for a pack of 8. There's no longer obstructions within the packs that can catch or damage your cards. They're pre-built, easy to open and easy to take your cards out. They have a dedicated finger groove in the back of the shell to help you get a grip on your cards. It comfortably holds 20 single sleeved cards or 15 double sleeved cards.
If you want an alternative to Cubeamajigs, Dragon Shield Redesigned Cube Shells are absolutely worth it. The Redesigned Cube Shells look different from their initial designs so be sure that you order the redesign and not the ones shown in this video.
I'm sure Dragon Shield listens and watches the profs reviews. I expect a V2 of these sleeves within the following 6 months that will correct that critical error and it will become a better product. Good job prof, keep up the good work ✊
DS sure does because I have seen them using Prof videos to endorse their products.
As someone looking to get into cube, I certainly hope so!
But that's alot of plastic wasted and added into the world... Mostly as waste; adds to carbon footprint...
@@nicholasbolas i expect this kind of product to last for years if not longer than your lifetime so it should be fine. on the other hand i got for myself a bunch of small cardboard boxes that local lgs uses to ship singles in and those work quite well for 10-20 cards. and they cost a lot less than any plastic ones. :)
@@m1gr3nA Mate I know what you're saying but DS prolly have mass produced them, and not simply given Prof a prototype.
If there's no demand for these anymore, or say, 50% less demand thanks to poor design, what happens to these already-mass produced plastics?
Been a while since dragon shield got a D grade. They won't be happy lol
I mean, D is for Dragon, right?
Prof, I'd have bought these in a heartbeat without thinking if I'd found them before seeing this. So glad I didn't now, and here's hoping they fix the issues. Thank you for being a vital pillar in our community.
The snagging isn't really a big problem for single sleeves cards. I have my jumpstart cube in these dragonshield packs and the front card has caught a few times but just pushing it slightly towards the back of the pack it slides nicely into the pack. The size of them not fitting in certain deck boxes is a bit of pain depening on your storage though.
I don't have any of the same issues with my Dragon Shield Cube shells that the prof has, they snag barely at all and you have to push them in just so to get them to snag and stay.
I own these as well, and haven't had any of the snagging problems the professor has mentioned, maybe the art sleeves are slightly larger or something?
20 single sleeves you say. *looks at jumpstart* well well well
I use these for jumpstart and they’re perfect tbh
Yep for Jumpstart they are perfect. I don't have the issue the prof does here. Not fitting into some deck boxes may suck but I just use the display they come in for sitting on my shelf
I put 16 Jumpstart packs in Dragon Shield cube boxes and put those in a Quiver case so I have Jumpstart to-go. Great for playing with friends that used to play but haven't kept up
Never had the scuffing issue he highlights, but I put all my jumpstarts in these. These also fit rather nicely into the Bundle boxes if you are looking to store your cube/jumpstart (13 per bundle box). I get his criticism, but honestly if you put them in pressed to the back of the cube shell I've had no issues.
I use them specifically for Jumpstart. 20 cards in single UP clear sleeves, works just fine. Had no issues at all.
Here's the irony: The Dragon Shield Cube Shells aren't good for large sleeves... like Dragon Shields. Chances of snagging are considerably less when it comes to narrower sleeves like Eclipses.
So Dragon Shield managed to make a product that's... incompatible with their own sleeves.
dragon shield be like: I guide others to a treasure I cannot posses
Making products that are alright by themselves but don't go together super well is kind of a running theme with Dragon Shield. I'll always love their sleeves but I tend to look elsewhere for accessories.
Compare them to a company like Ultimate Guard who are careful to make sure that almost all their products work together.
@@altosforteaquax5083 I recommend you "GameStop" at this point. Ask your Local GameStop for old Final Fantasy Sleeves. They are probably not in the selling area and about 1€/$ per Pack. For 100 Pieces. I sleeved my Cube into these Sleeves and they are beautiful and very durable/stable.
Just if you wish for an opportunity or alternative ;)
Pretty much. I've used this product for months now and it's fine for me with no damages. He is sponsored by cubeamajigs for a while now and from how I see it, cubeamajigs are struggling to compete against dragon shield shells due to huge total cost differences. If he goes against cubeamajigs, then he will lose the sponsorship. Pretty bias.
@@rogertruong5751 when did he say that he is sponsored by cubeamajigs? It seems pretty unlikeable that he would fake a review just because of a sponsor, it would ruin his reputation, and in the past, he reviewed other products from sponsors and it seemed very impartial.
I knew that Prof was gonna drop those cards, but I still flinched when he did!
It hurts me so much when you drop cards.
I think I saw a bend on the Zulaport Cutthroat too.
Damn, that's a hard hit to us Europeans, as Cubeamajigs is brutally expensive over here (30€+ just for shipping)
exactly!
Just get Cube Shields. I've been using them for Jumpstart and they're fine. If you care about the scuffing on the back of your sleeve then adding a single slip of paper behind the back card instantly remedies the problem (which I have not personally experienced with 20 single sleeved cards per box).
@@deifiedtitan i see someone finally found use for those advertisment cards that come in boosters instead of tokens :D
In some South American countries like mine the shipping is equivalent to that and then comes the custom taxes to make sure it's a hard pass. I ended up making my own laminated manila paper boxes for my Jumpstart 9.9
Feels like this is the case every other time Prof reviews a "Great product!" I go to look and if it's not Dragon Shield, Ultimate Guard or Ultrapro, it just doesn't exist here...
That playmat artists-series (ironically headed by Ultrapro) in particular just HURT... There were so many that I would have loved, but a high price plus insane shipping plus inevitable customs fees... I'm not rich.
Never thought I’d see the day a dragonshield product got a critical review from the prof
Well they always get critical reviews, it’s just that it’s generally a positive one due to the overall quality of their products.
@@NCISfreak123 To be fair 'critical' having a negative connotation is common usage.
He often gives critical reviews of Dragon Shield products, however they're usually positive (cause DragonShield more often than not have good quality products). Critical doesn't equal negative. Critical literally means "expressing or involving an analysis of the merits and faults of a work", the work in this case being those cube shells.
@@AlexanderNash Still wrong though.
Didn't he both figuratively and literally rip Dragonshield apart when they changed formula and sucked for a while. I think around 2018
For what it's worth, the Starter Cube has been out of stock for a while. Currently bears this note: "We aim to bring the Starter Cube back as soon as possible. Once we can safely gather together and playtest, we’ll be hard at work building the next round. Sign up for a restock notice and be the first to know when this releases."
It looks like it was last updated for Theros, Beyond Death, which makes sense, since that was the last set from before the pandemic. They don't really have a good way to work on the cube and I think they only make a certain number of them.
It's not too bad to get the list and just buy all of them though. You can get a pretty good deal still. I got it a while ago for an mtg club I lead, and then also, used all the cards I had and then just bought what I needed to have the same cube.
I've upgraded mine over the last couple years and it's been tons of fun.
I don't have a cube but it's the professor, let's watch !
Thank you prof, didn't know this existed .. love the idea of this product, pity about the size .. will be getting some Cubemajigs in ... great job as usual.
New version review when?
6:33 We have to track down these Ben and Mark fellows and ask them what they think they're doing to the Professor's sleeves.
I've been looking for a way to store a cube (also Dominion) but Cubeamajigs are charging $36 US for shipping to Australia. No thanks.
I would love a new cube video talking about archetypes and staples for cubes.
Are you going to be reviewing the new improved design for the cube shell?
Dang. I never thought I'd see the day DS got below a B from the Prof. Hopefully they learn from this.
I believe they will. they have been known to take criticism well, and respond accordingly. It just takes a while with fixing stuff like this. But i think its good on them to try and fill the hole in the market, at the very least. (as cubeamajigs aren't usually sold in stores)
Please review the new version from 2022
Cardkindom Cube is out of stock :(
Would love to see a video on their new version.
I recently bought some Dragon Sheld Cube Shells for my Jumpstart cube, and found that they have redesigned them. I noticed that the issue where cards can catch on the inside has been resolved. Will there be an updated review?
I might get something like this for all my jumpstart packs that I play with
I bet Dragon Shield is gonna watch this, think "Noted" and the next itteration is going to be fantastic! Thanks again for another great review Prof
I’m convinced Prof just... enjoys picking up cards/sleeves off the ground xD
Came here to see if the cube shell was any good so after this not getting them look at the other ones shame shipping to Europe was too much as they would have suited my needs better. Great work as all way Prof.
hey prof i know you made a video on making cubes but would you make a video on how to make a set cube.
are these the same height and width as the cardboard boxes that D/S sleeves come in or are they wider and taller?
prof., can we get the list of your innistrad cube? :)
Professor! Dragon shield has listened and has released an improved version!
Do you have a deck list anywhere for your innistrad cube?
Do you have a List of your innistrad cube somewhere? :)
Well, I won't be grabbing these. Thanks Prof!
Dragon shield is becoming a Activision as in good dont buy it or they'll relese more crap
Apparently Dragon Shield have released a new (according to them) improved version! Anyone can confirm if anything has changed?
Yes, i just bought some. Cards slide in without any issue. No interior seams at all. The flap and hinge are slightly different as well, very easy to open, close, grab cards out, and put cards in. I am unsure of the sizing bc i dont have products to test the fit of the boxes.
I could listen to your opinion on pretty much anything professor
Gimme that cube lessons haha
Yeah I picked up 3 packs and had that problem :/ hopefully it will get fixed
I used Burger Tokens 22s boxes for my entire Jumpstart set. Really happy with them so far. Only issue has been availability. You should check them out next Prof! Keep up the excellent work!
I would love to see the Prof put the Burger Tokens boxes against the cubamajigs. The only reason I didn't get the BT boxes was the availability.
@@delm0nte agreed. I think that of the current choices out there, the BT are the best overall option. If they could just stay consistently in stock that is. Lol
I actually bought a full set of cube shells just last week. I did look at cubeamajigs first and for 25 of them and 4 tokens it was going to be nearly 24 bucks shipping to Arizona so I passed on them.
Burger tokens perfect fit deckboxes for 22 sleeved cards are what I’ve used in the past for a cube. $20 for 25 and I got free shipping! Have these been reviewed in the past?
This is what I use for my Jumpstart cube and they work great.
@@charlessheldon1256 that’s the same cube I have my burger tokens boxes in too!
“And you can help me -ou-“
Meow?! I knew Prof was actually a cat in disguise!
Thanks Prof for the great video! I was happy for a second but now I am sad 😅 (damn shipping fees). Let's hope dragon shield learns from their mistake as I really like their other products.
I barely buy Magic products anymore but love to just watch for fun. Thanks.
Came here specifically for the cubeamajig comparison - was not disappointed 😄 - have been using and loving cubeamajigs for my jumpstart boxes because of the prof's suggestion!
Who would have guessed that you would have to kajigger the cards into a DS Cube Shell but not into something literally called a Cubeamajigs? xD
There are improved designs out now for cube shell from Dragon Shields, they seem to solved the problems
I'll just add that I've been using these for a while now and haven't experienced any of these problems. I will say I haven't been using them with double sleeved cards, but I have jumpstart decks that I'm using them for and love them. I will agree about the looks of them tho, and would love to see a future version with similar art to their art sleeves. A set with the Loki art from their recent series would be awesome.
When are these companies going to learn to consult you first BEFORE submitting their first product run?
Finally, the perfect boxes for my 'Heavily Played' cube!
YOU HAVE *PERFECT* TIMING ❤️
Hey Prof!
I've never heard of these products before and I built a cube 1 and a half year ago, just before the pandemic started. Since then my 'boosters' are hold with ähm rubber... ähm how to say in english, wait for it: Elastic bands.
wow okay. Yeah well and obviously the sleeves are slightly damaged. THIS product, you've just reviewed gonna help me alot with storage. I am gonna buy 'em soon.
Thanks alot!!
I think the professor might be selling short the shipping issues that Cubeamajigs have on their hands. A single set of 25 packs had shipping of more than half the price of the set! I can't justify $15 shipping on $30 of product. I can only imagine what non-North Americans have to deal with as well.
If Cubeamajigs find better distribution/shipping I'd buy from them in second. If Dragon Shield has better iteration on these Cube Shells first, I'll buy from them.
Wow, surprising to see a bad grade from Dragon Shield, hopefully they can turn it around and fix it. On another note, I found some sleeves that seem interesting, but haven't seen any reviews for them anywhere. Would you be able to review them? They're the Square Enix Final Fantasy Trading Card Sleeves, and while they are intended for the Final Fantasy TCG, they are the same size as MTG cards. Great video as always, keep up the great work!
I use a Gamegenic Cards Lair 400+
Considering it doesn't fit top loaders, it won't fit these.
Glad I didn't buy it just because of the "Dragon Shield" Name.
I have had issues returning Cubeamajigs.
About a year ago, I bought a lighter colored artwork and immediately noticed I could see the cards inside the boxes, defeating the whole idea of a random blind draft.
I complained to Cubeamajigs and they told me I can send them back as long as I haven't used/opened ANY of the ones I bought (which I obviously had to discover the problem) and return them with premium shipping and tracking at cost to me. Once they received them, they would only refund me the cost of the packs, no shipping costs though, and ONLY IF they determined they were still in pristine condition.
To be honest, I like the idea but find these impractical for drafting my cube. We just lay down randomized 15-card piles down in the middle of the table and pick up a pile as our "pack" as we go. Adding the shell looks nice, but just adds the extra steps of packing them, then immediately unpacking them as a pack is "opened". It's like they're just there to look pretty... without serving any actual purpose.
It's not like they help with shuffling the cube
Or as another alternative, make your own paper pack envelopes ("Packvelopes") for a DIY solution! 😉www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/jebsg4/packvelopes_do_it_some_more/
These patterns are sized to fit in any deckbox that holds sleeved cards, and the envelope wraps around the card stack, so any internal edges your cards aren't sliding past, so no worries of catching there. And they're relatively easy to DIY, so if you rip/wreck one, it's pretty easy to crank out a replacement.
My current cube has a bit of an advantage of being split into fives piles. Since I wanted to simulate drafting an Un-Set, there's a commons deck, an uncommons deck, a rares/mythics deck, a contraptions deck, and a lands deck. Commons and uncommons are a bit messy to shuffle though.
Still, wouldn't mind being able to pre-build packs.
Sort of a question for folks; has anyone checked the sizing on the new Digimon TCG cards? Been curious about getting some(provided I can find reasonable prices) but I'm not sure if they fit in your standard MtG sleeves/boxes/etc or not.
This is maybe the most disappointing product for me. I personally don't love the cubamajigs design and would love a viable alternative.
I purchased the Dragonshield Cube Shells for my cube, and the Professor's review is spot on. For reference, I keep a 360 card, single-sleeved cube with 30 of each basic land and numerous tokens/ double-faced cards. The shell material is durable and easy to open and close. Twenty-four shells comfortably fit in a single row of a Magic Carpet XL. Sleeved cards do catch slightly on the way in to a shell, and to minimize the risk of damage, I limit myself to no more than 15 single-sleeved cards in a pack. I never apply excess force to pack the cards; the catching surfaces seem to be on the flap side of the shell, so if I hold it nearly flat and gently shake side to side, the cards go in without hassle or damage. As a cube owner, you may have to warn your drafters about this or risk sleeve damage. Overall, I'm pretty satisfied with my purchase, although I may circle back to another solution if the engineering improves over the years.
Sadly I thought they stopped making these and I needed another set of 8 for my "almost done" commander cube, So I bought a set that wasn't even the same color as the others for 35$. I hadn't noticed cards getting caught, but they probably will since its all double sleeved dragon shields. I have cubamajigs for a dominaria cube and I don't care for those, they just don't stay closed even though they look awesome. Knowing the dragon shield company they will probably (hopefully) come out with an improved version, like they did with their inner sleeves.
I don't normally disagree with the Professor, but sorry, in this case you just got it wrong this time. I've been using cube shells since they launched, and I have had no issue of the kind you described. I tested it with multiple sleeve types, and particularly tried all 20 cube shells that I currently own with Dragon Shield sleeves/Perfect Fit combo, and only 1 gave me any trouble of 15 at once. even that one i could 14/1 with no effort, marks, or resistance. The ridiculous shipping costs and price per on cubamajigs make these a very convenient and affordable alternative, and a very fine product unworthy of that assessment.
sorry unrelated, but Prof I take it you have seen the drama with mystical archive Crux of Fate and the stolen artwork there? I'd love to see a video from you about this!
Search the Wizards Fan Content Policy and how it self gives them authorization to use fanart however they please (marketing mostly, but marketing also translates in money), the lackluster Wizards response to this and how convenient "sharing fan content" ended up in this case.
It may also include artists drama history and how badly Wizards handles it, like the Terese thing and Autumn Burchet's gruul lands.
Man That sucks. I was looking forward to them for Jumpstart or Smash Up. But seems like I will have to wait for a second edition since shipping the cubeamajigs to Germany is just way to expensive. So yeah. Here's holding out for another company to jump in there
Again international (in-)availability strikes again! I really wanted to pick up some Cubamajigs after your first review of them, but alas they only ship single packs or bundles of 25, nothing in-between, meaning for more than a trial pack you hit massive customs fees (at least twice the amount of the bundle). Dragon Shield is EU based and also distributes in the US, so everyone can get them! Even if they are flawed, there is no alternative.
Man that's a bummer. But I'm glad you posted this when you did! I was about to buy a bunch for a Jumpstart cube I'm building. Do Cubeamajigs fit 20 single sleeved cards?
Hey Prof, you missed one thing with your review. You can lick the white ink off of the shell. I don’t know if it’s safe to eat, but I’m not thrilled.
How do I know this? I have a four-year-old who honestly should have known better.
I bought a full boat of these to stick a custom Jumpstart cube in a Quiver. That works well enough, and I honestly haven’t used the shells enough to see the sleeve damage. I’ll definitely give Cubeamajig a try.
oh no! this is such a pity... This looked exactly like the product I was looking for... A very small deck box in which I could just leave 17 basic lands so when I go drafting I already have all my lands sleeved and ready to play...
As a european and as someone who has not seen a Cubamajig in real life before, I've purchased several Dragon Shield Cube Shells. I think it is an awesome product and I would recommend it to friends. I do however recognize that I didn't realize the standard this product had to live up to. I don't know what I'm missing out on and I hope this review will make the next itteration of Cube Shells from Dragon Shield an itteration of higher quality. There is a LOT of room for improvement, I see that now. Great video Prof :)
One budget option I use for cube packs is Ultra Pro Team Bags. They’re simple resealable bags that easily fit large sleeves like Dragon Shields. IIRC they fit double sleeved cards as well (don’t remember how many, but I think it’s at least 15). Downsides include that they aren’t particularly durable to my knowledge and they’ll likely crinkle up and look like crap after a couple of drafts. That’s okay for me since they’re sold in packs of 100 or so, and my policy is to use them until they either break, get too dirty to reseal well, or just look particularly crappy, then simply replace them.
Do Cubeamajigs fit inside of a UG Boulder? I actually bought a set of the DS Cube Shells a couple of months ago hoping to use them as sideboard packs in my Modern deck Boulders, but was very sad when they didn't fit :( I have since found a use for them, so it wasn't a total loss.
Hey prof, in the video you used 15 double sleeved cards for the pack. Do you think there is the possibility for damage if I intend to do 15 single sleeved cards? My thoughts are that the reduced size will avoid the catching?? What do you think?
I really don't get this product for cube... If stored in packs lite this it just makes shuffling the cube up very hard.
Say you are drafting with only 60% of the cards in the cube once time and the next time you use 80% of the cards. Then how are these helpful?
Nice closing "remarks" ... yeah, fun work picking it up. Thanks for the review, too. Even if I'm not cubing, though.
Okay but how does this product solve the problem of having to shuffle and make your own packs? You are still doing it? You just now have a smaller box to put the packs i now..
Im not gunna use this box in an active draft because they're being looked at and passed around constantly. And to make packs, I still have the problem of shuffling and making packs, so this has very little use in my opinion.
Does anybody else like doing a Winston draft for cube drafts? This doesn't require you to seperate out "packs" though I imagine it could take a while to distribute cards with a large group. Works great for 2-4 players though!
As others have noted, as a European cubeamajigs is an immediate hard pass due to shipping costs. Might get Dragon Shields or wait for their next version. For cube I'm happy enough with my ghetto solution, and it's not like I'm gonna get to cube with anyone for months...
In all honesty? I think every company should send their products to the prof before putting them on sale. He’s probably the most popular MTG youtuber, and certainly the prime product reviewer, so I doubt these boxes will have any success.
Cubamajigs: 30$
Shipping Cost to Europe: 45$
hah. alright, i'll just suffer.
Hello I'm about to buy a lot of cubeamajigs, could anyone recommend which series should I buy? series 1 or series 2, thanks
I wish he did the card drop in black and white footage like those lame infomercials from the past.. with that commercial voice... "Are you tired of cubing... _The old fashioned wayyyyy?"_
If I were head of R&D at DS I would be angry with the product design team.
I feel all they had to do was call the Prof and ask him to test this for a while and get his feedback before going into full-blown production, but here they are now with a poor review.
Better luck next time, DS and thank you Prof for you reviews!
Someone should review dragon sheild clears both matte and classic and nest 100 but in comparison to other deck boxes because I think the aquardness of its size is overlooked because of its quality, design and niche-abilitie (yeah talking about the force required to open this) 😭 😭
This make me wonder if my 360 card cube would just be better off with 8 small Ultrapro deck boxes that get repacked with 45 random cards each time. That way people would be less likely to misplace cards and also to have a deckbox for when the games start.
Just ordered 3 packs of these for my cube literally today... yikes.
Appreciate you examining their fit for deckboxes.
Because in theory those seem superb for sideboards, but this spares me buying an 8 pack for nothing.
Still prefer their material choice by a lot, unfortunate the design doesn't hold up.
I have been using Burger Tokens Perfect Fit boxes, and while they are great so far, I foresee the plastic breaking on them eventually, how do they compare to the cubeamajigs, as they look like they are the same plastic and thickness?
What a bummer. I was thinking of picking some up for an eventual Jumpstart cube. Dragonshield stuff is normally stellar too.
hey prof, love your videos. Do you have any recommendations for Card Holders (for example ultra pro mini snap) ?
As old cards have gotten more and more value lately, I'd love to use somthing like that for single card protection.
Bought these and never actually tried to see if they worked with 15 double sleeved cards, can confirm the issue really is a big deal. I would absolutely *not* attempt to use these with any double sleeved cube. However, I will say that they work perfectly fine with 15 single sleeved cards, no catches, no problems at all. I'm stuck with the ones I have, but at least they are still 100% useable for my single sleeved set cubes at home.
Companies should just send their test products to him so he can inform them of their crappy design before going to market.
A review of the review: Prof "kajiggers" with the product. 9/10, needs more criticism of WotC.
Does the prof have a deal with dragonshield?
Not saying this to be snide, I'm a very big fan of the show. I know he favors dragonshield products mostly, and certainly they deserve it. But when a product even has the chance of harming cards or denting sleeves I thought the prof would immediately deem it an F. He reserves the failing grade for products so inept that they ruin rather than protect. But why then does the dragonsheild cube sleeves get a D when they reliably ruin cards/sleeves?
Honestly struck me as strange.
cubeamajigs wants 28 USD shipping to Germany. No thanks. Anyone has an Alternative in the EU?
The card drop should have been done in black and white, at 15 frames per second, with a voiceover, like all good "As Seen On TV" infomercials.
I just use black stretch foil used for packaging, its black so you cant see cards inside, its very cheap so i don't worry about wasting it. I got some experience in packing things form my work so I can pack them very fast.
My cubamajigs are perfect. They are really nice plastic, great art. I got a pack of 36 and one had a manufacturer defect, they mailed me a few extra ones, very dedicated company. When I got them, they emailed me to make sure I got the box and I just mentioned it, I didn't even ask for a replacement.