The Horrible State of Persona 4 Arena Ultimax
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:01 The rough parts
5:04 The good parts
9:34 Outro
Footage from: Team Spooky and Buffmaister
Special thanks to Spencer of SMTNetwork for help with the video!
Persona 4 Arena Ultimax is a game sadly missed when it released initially, so when I found out if was going to be re released on PC and modern consoles I was extremely excited and happy at what Atlus decided to do. I was even happier when I got an early copy of the game to mess around with prior to the game's launch, but the reality is much more dire than that. The horrible state of Persona 4 arena ultimax can not be understated and, while this video took very long to make, I believe is one that needed to be made. I really don't want this game to be botched and forgotten like just another slap dash port onto steam. With persona 4 being my favorite game in the series, if not the entirety of shin megami tensei, and my being a big fan of fighting games and the fgc as a whole, this game was definitely one I was excited for. One of the very few games than cam out recently that I can genuinely say I was looking forward to, but it turn out to be a real mess. Persona 4 arena ultimax or, p4au for short, came out with half the love I thought it would get. there was no p4au rollback, there was no p4au crossplay, there wasn't even instant rematching in the lobbies. Riddled with glitches and bugs, technical hiccups, and a price point expected on a remastered game, persona 4 arena ultimax seemingly was made for no one. This video will serve as a p4au critique, p4au review, and a general summary for the state of p4au as a while. 
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🤷♂️ it’s a normal state of 90% of fighting games on steam
That's a bigger issue than I'm prepared to tackle lol
@@Tony4You yeah, Althought to be completely far, they are unpopular by design due to an absurd high entry barrier (even thought I prefer the most shitty fighting game to any multiplayer team-based game where I will be loosing because of stupid teammates)
@@alexey635able i tried getting into KOF through Fightcade but everyone is so good that a newbie just can't evolve on It(and Fightcade is a free emulator with free roms and Rollback fan made online)
Unfortunately that's a sad thing about fighting games
@@renren47618 pretty much, yeah 😔
@@renren47618 KOF players are insane
The most sad part about P4A its that game is actually awesome fighting game with a lot of creative mechanics(Arcsys never disappoints), but it got ruined because of horrible launch. No rollback at launch in 2022 its a death sentence for fighting game, what were they thinking? I hate Atlu$.
This was a really worrying thing to happen. The lack of rollback, crossplay, functional lobby system, showed Atlus couldn't have cared less about this. I don't think I can forget about this launch sadly
@@Tony4You Also I forgot to say that they didn't provide regional pricing, so game is more expensive than Guilty Gear Strive(which has big active player base, developer support and AMAZING netcode). I don't know is that a big deal for other countries, but for me it's really a QUESTIONABLE money investment.
Has rollback now btw.
@@Tony4You Crossplay in fighting games is kinda doomed because of difference in input delay across systems though. Makes it super hard to have a balanced match for PS4 player vs PC player when theres like a 4 frame difference in input delay. Hopefully SF6 gets that part right.
@@PirateZ1 how much of the video did you watch? Only ask because he mentions the botched rollback you highlight. Even though its still in its beta
I said this on another channel. It was very arrogant of Atlus to release the game without netcode. I'm not a competitive fighting game player by any means, but I want Atlus games to succeed. If they were going to release this without netcode and the netcode came in August there are a few things they could have done to ensure its success. I think EVO was at the same time, but it was also tournament season in Japanese pro wrestling. Why do I bring this up? The story is based in New Japan Pro Wrestling's G1 Climax tournament. So you could have had promotion in the fighting game tournament scene for the fighting game fans, and the Japanese pro wrestling scene to highlight the story mode. It didn't even have to be with New Japan, Pro Wrestling Noah has a similarly named N-1 Victory tournament at around the same time. There were many steps Atlus could have done to ensure its success if they insisted on the netcode launch so late. I'm really tired of these niche JRPG devs like Atlus and Falcom and the arrogance they have when it comes to releases.
@@sg79453 on Falcom itself is the refusal to share scripts with localizers until the full release. Then with the recent Trails from Zero release they insisted on their in house Kai version for some platforms but not others. I would also collapse Nisa into my criticism because some of their BS applies to both companies. They are releasing four Trails games in one year from all over the timeline and they are overcharging for the older games without much features like English VA to justify it. The price wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but considering the age of the games and the economy, they could have made it a little lower.
To be fair, Atlus takes the cake since they don't have the excuse of being as small as Falcom. I can also say Falcom pisses me off way less, and I can see a bigger willingness from them to improve or else we wouldn't be getting the Crossbell games at all.
*Arcsystem. Atlus is primarily the rights holder. Arcsys are the devs. And they did the exact same thing with DBFZ so you can’t deny it. They just suck at that and it’s likely Atlus just signed it off.
@@yy-hj4br Man, Falcom is literal boomer devs. On the positive side, they got the consistency of the old ones which is why Trails series are damn good.
On the negative side, well, it’s just as you said
@@Neogears1312 ArcSys developed the original game, but Atlus were the ones who made the port, hence why it didn’t have rollback at launch
@@yy-hj4br Yeah that not sharing with localizers thing is even worse when you realize that they've seen a huge uptick in Western sales from word of mouth alone, and rather than take advantage of it, they are letting almost four years pass between the release of Cold Steel IV and Reverie when in Japan the wait was just under two. Obviously, they have a pipeline problem, but they could get started on fixing that so that there'd only be a year gap between Reverie and Kuro in the West, but it seems like instead they're committed to letting things fall even further behind.
I spent basically a whole year shilling for this game running the Daily Labrys Until Rollback account, and the fact the game came back at all blew my my mind. But the wishy washy way they went about implementing rollback was disappointing to say the least and the absolute poor state of the port is just inexcusable. I wish they at least delayed the game to summer for the rollback implementation.
It truly felt like a big monkey's paw moment, we got the game back with rollback, but... It was in the most mind boggling way possible.
You were doing God's work my friend. It's a real shame how it all turned out. The way they handled P4AU is something that many people will find hard to forget
Mad respect for you using "Le game dead" I, too, have gotten the rage comic brain rot recently
Le epic rant video. Yeah lol it kinda slipped out
Honestly for a super old niche anime fighting game player counts like that are very respectable and solid. These games will usually dissipate until only hard-core fans are left so thats a very respectable size still!
That's true enough. It's mostly disappointing for those hoping for a p5 arena lol. Not too bad all things co sidereal I suppose
@@Tony4You Would of pf been so cool
I got this game back on it's initial release and I'm (was I guess) a somewhat decent Mitsuru and Labrys player. I liked the story a lot and it was nice to nice how the p3 characters went on and how ELISABETH COULD NOT GO ON(and to be honest, I agree with her on that part). This game feels like a nice epilogue for P4 and a somewhat loose thread for P3. I still wish they would continue to work on this.
Narratively this game is better than people give it credit for
I don't think fighting games live or die based on how good there online is. Fighting games live or die based on accessibly. Online is always important that's a fact but Blazblue added rollback, and many people tried it out for the first time, and many dropped off within a month or so because blazblue is NOT Strive. Strive was and still is successful because it's really easy to pick up, and pretty barebones. If Strive got released but played like Xrd, and still had strive visuals with rollback it would have been blazblue all over again. I remember Harada from Tekken said at an interview that TekkenTag2 was catered to the hardcore which was a mistake. Tekken was not mainstream yet in terms of people playing it but Tekken was always main stream in terms of it's name. Anyway Persona is not Strive, and if you don't know your shit auto combo will not save you from getting reckt, and Xrd is doomed with the same fate now that it has roll back. T7 is way easier than TT2 and T6, and remember T7 started out with 7.2frames of delay but they fixed it, and the game still stayed successful, but if T7 played more like TT2 in terms of movement, and priority, People would quit with or without out rollback. (Harada interview) ruclips.net/video/4PidLj8p2Vo/видео.html
I agree that accesibility is important, but P4A is straight up one of the most accesible and mechanically simple fighting games to get into
Autocombos, 1 button DPs, and simple combo structure allow playerd to get into the meat pretty quickly compared to other titles like Xrd
T7 is still a lot less accessible than most fighters (game literally doesn't have a tutorial for no reason) and yet it's widely successful
Accessibility is important yes, but it's something that helps bring new players in. Depth makes them stay
And P4A was built with accessibility in mind
@@SuuBrainrot P4A is indeed accessible but my point isn't to say that it isn't. There needs to be a certain amount of accessibility, and I believe P4A doesn't cut it now in days. If accessibility was all that mattered many companies would have just stopped there, but instead games in this generation keep getting more accessible than the last, and they seem to be more worried about catering to an audience that doesn't play fighters instead of worrying about a game that's fun and has depth to give us things to do. P4A was the perfect mix of accessibly with lots of depth, and high execution barriers, Strive has very high damage, shorter combos, and stripped many of the characters down to the point where they all can be picked up and played if you take 20mins to fool around with them. The depth in strive is very shallow compared to Xrd, but strive is successful because there's less to do. You legit get to the meat and potato's as you say. I think people saying they like depth is interesting because I feel depth is just a go to word people use at this point but lots really don't want it and no one will openly admit to it.
@@SuuBrainrot Yea Tekken doesn't have a tutorial but it was stated by Harade that a lot of people don't do tutorials, and people are using the fact that Tekken doesn't as an excuse. If you look at Steam, and console complete tutorial rate it's pretty low. You really start to see how accessible Tekken 7 is when you go back and actually fight good players in T6 or TT2. If those games had a tutorial back then it wouldn't change the fact people would drop it because of how high the skill ceiling is and no one bothers to do them anyway.
(Quote) "Tekken producer Katsuhiro Harada has said that mainstream fighting titles are resorting to the most basic tutorials because internal data reveals that many people aren’t really playing tutorial modes. Speaking to PCGamesN, he said that Tekken 7‘s story mode was meant to ease players into the game." No point in wasting resources on things nobody is using.
(Quote) "We can tell with most of our games which modes players are spending time in. We have that data in our company. You hear a lot of people say this game is great because it has a tutorial but when we look at the data, not many people play these tutorial modes. This is the same when you buy something new, you take it home and you don’t read the manual. It’s a positive for your product if you can say you have a tutorial but when you take a closer look you notice that people aren’t really playing it."
(Quote) "As you’re playing through the story mode, you naturally learn things like, ‘oh, this can be side stepped’ or ‘this character has this powerful special move if I learn how to use it properly.’ In the story mode, you can perform these with a simplified command so once you know about it, you can practice to perform this with the normal command.
@@deadlychase547 Blazblue getting rollback was never gonna make it as big as strive that wasn’t the point, the point is that once a game gets rollback it’s pretty much never gonna die, yeah sure gg plus r might not have huge numbers but you can still easily boot up the game and get into a match which is what matters wanna know why? Because the online is good now cause of rollback
@@MILDMONSTER1234 That's pretty much what I'm saying. I'm saying BB can't be as big as strive. Rather it has roll back or not, and the BB community has always been there with or without roll back. Lots of us are in the BB Discord setting up matches way before roll back. My other point is while Net play is very important it does not make a or break the game. P4 might not be doing great on steam but I highly doubt it is because it didn't start out with roll back. Strive would not be successful if it played more like GG and less like Street fighter mixed with some GG. Easy learning curve + rollback has a high chance of success imo, and I believe P4 is not easy (enough) for todays type of gamer. Though I think P4 is easy to pick up and understand but this is a 2012 game, accessible back then is different from accessible now.
Kanji is honestly the most fun grappler I've played in fighting games. My favorite thing about his playstyle is probably how in a game full of people with guns, sharp weapons, literal living weapons, a professional boxer that moves faster than you can see, and a bear with a bat, Kanji chooses to use a folding chair while still managing to be a threat. I really love this game
Nah he sucks and is annoying
@@bnemel5 I mean, if he gets in close and keeps reading well on you, or flat out counters your character, then yeah he is a giant pain to deal with.
You must not play too many grapplers or just shitty ones. Tamaki, Grundy, EX Vice, +R Potemkin, Bravo, Incineroar, Bowser, and Exodus are all more fun than the very, very standard and unremarkable Kanji
@@OTHERMRBABCOCK I mean, I'm not much of a grappler player. It's just not my play style. Most of the time, most of them just aren't that fun or engaging for me to play, but this is mainly due to the fact that I prefer anime fighters doing combos and multiple ways to approach, but that's just me. There's no problem with people enjoying any of the characters you listed over Kanji, I even play incineroar because he's fun, but Kanji to me is fun because he's a grappler you could do insane combos with
One of my friends is a grappler-player and he too said actually the same.
A healthy online community is what makes or breaks a fighting game these days. If the experience is poor, the community drops like flies and the game is as good as dead. Rollback is the most important thing to implement in the current day, followed closely by effective matchmaking and a worthwhile anti-cheat.
As someone who has been waiting for rollback netcode to take this game to the main stage again, the fact that the added extra input delay (when they added rollback) is a thing simply killed the game for me, and the same goes for most of the other players.
There's a theory that the extra input delay on Online Modes it's because ATLUS doesn't wanna take away Denuvo from the game. I'm not sure if this is true but the possibility is high. This is basically a big stain in ASW's portfolio.
Oh yeah I heard about this but didn't want to get too into the nitty gritty fgc terms. The denuvo conspiracy strikes again
Impossible to platinum without close friends
I honestly think this game really needs more attention now that it has rollback, it's so unique of a fighting game to pass up!
I'll admit I'm very odd when it comes to fighting games as I could care less about the multiplayer aspect. Instead what drew me into the genre was the unique characters and surprisingly deep plots, for instance BlazBlue, which was made by the same people behind this game, is a full on fighting game franchise but has a plot as convoluted and interesting (which I mean in a positive way) as Kingdom Hearts. So yeah I adore the single player mode of this series. As a added bonus Elizabeth goes on a journey to save Makoto, my favorite Persona protag, which is at least implied will be successful eventually if P3: Dancing in Moonlight's theme song is any indication and the expanded plot from P3P were made fully canon. I know thats a sore point for some people since they liked it better when Chidori was dead and think it goes against the themes of P3 but I don't agree with them, afterall Makoto's ultimate persona, the only appearance of Jesus in all of SMT, was chosen for a reason. (especially when you take into account who his starter persona was)
Same right here, dude. Uniqueness, the mechanics, Persona-faithfullness and offline is what does it for me.
I got this game back in 2014 on the 360. Waited years for it to be botched by atlus.
I just wanna get gud.
We all had the dream of P4AU back on the main stage, but it's over
i had hoped that since they got ArcSys to help with the rollback implementation they would also add instant rematch the way they did in BlazBlue Centralfiction earlier this year, but the rollback beta has come and gone and that didnt happen
I'm consistently astounded by the seeming lack of effort on Atlus's part lol
It's so unfortunate this game's rerelease happened the way it did...
P4AU is probably among my fave fighting games with how much fun the gameplay is.
That's the truly heartbreaking part yeah. A great game forever marred by it's awful launch
to me the worst thing is the lack of regional pricing, here in brazil this game is more expensive than any other fighting game on steam i know
The cherry on top lol
I used to play it so much and I loved ken and kuromaru and minazuki (my main) but know I've stopped sad moments :(
Yeah that's a common story. People love this game, and eventually stop playing. The devs could have made it so much better
@@Tony4You yeah and it wassssss so good just imagine if it succeeded
i should've seen the writing on the wall when i see Atlus literally trying to release everything else and all this bs for P5; really should've realized all along how they've lost all faith in this Arena spin-off thing despite their hard work and how lucky we are to get a port, with no new characters or anything. P5A is a pipedream. i guess they really weren't a fan of the player count too
I love P4AU sooo much, it’s easily my favorite fighting game and I was so excited when P4AUR got announced! Really sucked that not much happened with the game after the Sho-Down at launch day until Rollback *5 months later with no news when it would be implemented outside of the summer window.* I bought P4AUR day one and after a month or two of trying to commit to the game, I just couldn’t handle dealing with the original netcode (no crossplay also really sucked cause my friends who did get P4AUR got it on PC while I play on PS4). Once rollback dropped I’ve been on more, but sadly lobbies just aren’t as active as they were month 1, or as active as it could have been had P4AUR gotten more attention throughout the months leading to rollback. Though, with CEOtaku having Persona as a main event and I believe another big tournament is going to have Persona as a main event, maybe the game will get some of the active player base it deserves. Really hoping there’s more in the future for this awesome game
I wish Atlus didn’t oversaturate their 2022 game releases. It created a clusterfuck because it made some games get lost in the shuffle in maintaining interest or few succeeding more than others. We got Ultimax (March 2022) (rerelease), 13 Sentinels (April 2022) (Switch), Soul Hackers 2 (August 2022), Persona 5 Royal (October 2022) (multi-platform release) in this year alone.
What made me not get Ultimax was for no rollback and no physical copy. I remember Atlus saying that rollback was coming later in the summer, but it was released in early August (basically a late summer in my opinion). They used it to remind people that game was available to buy with rollback as a selling point. Sure the steam charts saw a resurgence on the player count, but that wasn’t enough to maintain long term interest. Sometimes I can see the game get discounted and sold for $20 during a Playstation sale. Yet, I’m still not eager to buy it.
I wish Atlus could’ve stuck with releasing only Persona for this 2022 because of the Persona 25th anniversary appealing to the East and West. I say their impatience on making a quick buck really says a lot about Ultimax’s current status.
I don’t get why games that launch on multiple consoles don’t allow cross play smh.. It’s 2022 for god’s sake
The game in itself is genuinely fantastic but the rerelease sucked. All of the stuff you mentioned at launched + no rollback made the game basically die in less than a month tho there is a very active discord server of dedicated and friendly players to learn the game. I do hope arcsys makes another atlus fighting game in the future may it be a smt arena, p5 arena, or a general persona arena.
Sadly discord is the only place games like this can survive. I still hope for a sequel someday
First of all the game was not released physically in the West. The sheer arrogance of Atlus. Even the Asian version was without English subtitles.
Man this game is so good, one of the first traditional fgs I've actually gotten into
Thank you for making this video talking about these issues!
I really wished this game would fix itself over time which is why I waited so long to make it, but here we are. I'm happy people support what I'm saying
The most important things in these games were Labrys and the buildup for Elizabeth's game. Unfortunately, with Atlus shitting out a port of P3P instead of making a real definitive edition, the percentage of the fanbase familiar with The Answer will only go down, further reducing the demand for Elizabeth's game. Poor Makoto's going to be a fucking *padlock* forever.
It's better this way
Reviving Makoto would ruin P3's ending
I wish I could hope for a definitive edition, but with the way Atlus has been dealing with their new games it isn't looking good. Maybe a direct port that just works is all we need right now lol
@@renren47618 Or maybe, just maybe
It’s not reviving Makoto but freeing him from eternal damnation and actually let him rest rather than just being door-kun
@@renren47618 they already ruined the ending with The Answer. Might as well go full fan service
In all fairness, many people dislike The Answer for a variety of reasons. Most of the story happens at the very beginning and the end, the group infighting comes off as rather contrived and Erebus seemingly comes out of nowhere. As such, a good portion of the fanbase sees the lack of The Answer as not much of a loss.
Leave Elizabeth alone😭 Attarx get this dude!!!
Elizabeth must be stopped!
I played this for less than a week before ignoring it completely. It's a fun game, but my internet isn't good enough to handle a game without rollback, and i stopped caring when it finally got released
There are so many stories like this it hurts. I wish everyone could enjoy this game properly
At least the few days we got to play the game, before the online got too tiring to deal with, were fun 😁
So true king
I bought this game hoping to finally get into a traditional fighting game, and too be honest, aside from the laggy matches, I just gave up because the skill gap between me and most of my opponents were just too big on top of the lag.
Also for PS4 you have to pay to play online, which is something I cannot afford to do in my current financial situation. Safe to say rip my dream of being good with Mitsuru.
The fate of an anime fighting game sadly. I hope p5 arena comes out to level out the playing field
Skill gap is a common problem for "dead" fighting games, sadly. If you want to get into fighting games you should getting into newest and most active entries(like Guilty Gear Strive, Street Fighter 5 and Tekken 7).
But I can't blame you, because we all hoped P4A is going to be active, but launch ruined it.
Also if you play on PS4 because of bad PC there's still a solution: Guilty Gear Accent Core +R, which runs on a potato, has good netcode and pretty decent player-base.
@@Tony4You
Idk If things go well Street Fighter 6 and Tekken 8 are gonna burring Anime fighters that isn't Guilty Gear.
@@SuperFusionAJ93 lol no, anime fighting games were always active people just go about the wrong way to find matches
What is the song that plays from 0:00 to 5:04?
Even when they did announce rollback, they still screwed over Switch users by not giving them that promise.
What's the background music for the first half
You know shits bad when he just says Tony4You at the beginning
Oh yeah that's for serious videos only lol
The rollback beta actually ended a long time ago, it's just in the default version of the game now
They didn't really do a good job communicating that though with them just putting an edit on the initial rollback announcement post on steam and nowhere else
Oh my bad! yeah I talked to a lot of people and they said it was still a bit half baked. End of the day it's still in a rough state
It seems foolish with a game that's going to be a niche title to essentially have two launches (the initial launch and the "real" rollback launch), when the launch period is the most hype and support you're ever going to get for your game.
Yeah it really was strange. 5,000 at launch, and only 700 came back for rollback. Such missed potential
Holy crap. I'm so surprised i'm not subbed to you. And you know about the plight of fighting games.
Yeah. Shoulda been subbed since your previous videos. Keep being a legend.
Greatly appreciated man. Welcome aboard
Is that the Schwartzwelt in the background, just after the intro?
Yeah lol, I use that as a background on all my videos
What's Rollback Netcode and why is so important?
It's difficult to explain, but basically it makes a more stable connection by anticipating what input you are going to do frames in advance and rolls back if the lag spikes imperceptibly
I just have to wonder if there's a reason behind Labrys' English version's Boston accent akin to Azumanga Daioh's anime dub team having given Ayumu Kasuga, who's from Osaka, a Houston Texan accent due to Houston sharing the same simultaneous business-oriented attitude and country image as Osaka.
There could be some comparison to regional accents yeah. Sounds like that would make the most sense
Hey! I drew the promotional piece for the western socials, and also got an early copy. big oof to the fact my pc cant really run it. The game means a whole lot to me, that much is obvious from all of my accounts. everywhere. I absolutely adore the story, though the best way to experience still hasn't been translated into English officially. The game does deserve better.
I still wish we got P5U (AKA Persona 5 Arena) along with Persona 6 instead. I mean seriously, Atlus should've ported 4 classic games for years ago before 25th anniversary even exist but this anniversary was blows from the start.
Hey, it's Tony for THAT AIN'T FALCO.
played all of raidou 1, and really liked it. Around chapter 4 in raidou 2. So far I've enjoyed both. I think so far, they are equally good. I do miss spamming circle to catch demons tho
Legend. I hope you love raidou 2 as much as me
I remember when I played when it released, as someone who didn't get to play the original on PS3 or even Arena on Xbox. The only issue I ran into was audio, the online/ranked worked just fine for me. Even till today people say it's in a bad state with bugs or glitches, I don't get them or even notice. The online on Steam is sort of dead sadly, wish they could've continued support adding news things.
Nice video :) Sorry to hear that the online of P4AU wasn't so good. I'd like to get this game for the story and to have a bit fun with the fighting. However, I want to play P3 for the first time first. I played Tekken 3 when I was little and that was great fun. A year or two ago, I got Tekken 7 and finished the story while enjoying the fighting and played 1 MP match, and that was it. So, I am a pretty casual fighting game fan. I also had a ton of fun with Soul Calibur IV and I always played singleplayer.
I honestly never had problems with the online portion while I was on PS4 with my friend on PS5, before the update the most amount of lag we had lasted for .5 seconds. Tbf we do live in 2 states next to each other and we're little over 1 hour away
So, i plan on buying this. Does it have spoilers for 3 and 4? I'm assuming so, but is it game-ruining spoilers? I'm on the 3rd dungeon of 4 and i'm still in july of 3. Unfortunately, my gamepass ran out so i'm kinda in a rut about that lmao
it has big spoilers
@@deatheater6222 noted thank you
I really hope them botching P4AU doesn't affect Persona 5 Arena's chances of happening
I really hope not, but odds are P5A isn't being made at all sadly
little late but persona leaker midori actually confirmed p5 arena is happening, just that atlus and other company making it were busy with other stuff@@Tony4You
I love the quality of your voice man. Keep up the awesome work.
Really appreciate it man, thanks for watching and enjoying
Wall of text ahead
My main gripes with this game, is how most of the p3 cast/elements is written like a stepping podium for p4 instead of being standing on the same level.
We've got 2 new characters
1 is so comical that he'd definitely fit p4.
despite having a bit forcefully construed yet overall solid backstory, he's still somewhat bit of a 1 dimensional villain characteristically, which is a shame, then ends up being p4mc's rival for more p4 brownie points.
Isn't adachi more than enough?
He's also initially can come off as a fanfic sue-ish character since he just comes out of nowhere with no foreshadowing then procceds to beat 4 very very experienced persona users, though you can piece out the details that he won by kagutsuchi body freeze hax, so it kinda erases his sue-ish impression earlier... Oh wait battles with nyx avatar and erebus exists... Scratch the things i just said to justify his sue-ish deeds.
2.... Oh atlus and their love of robots.
With the first half of the story (arena)
Her interactions with aigis are very great with whole similar experiences.
Up until those interactions however is just her cementing her future as p4's very own aigis (romance plot already included, congrats yosuke).
Now with the 2nd half (ultimax)
She gets to bond with p3 casts this time..... If i could even call it bonding that is.
She's just there, everyone else just rambles with fellow p3 casts, then she just offers a few sentences like polite replies or laughs.
Unless its a p4 cast, aigis or sometimes mitsuru talking to her, you won't know much about her.
Her epilogue is very dope tho.
I also don't like the final battle with adachi, yu VS sho, minazuki, kagutsuchi taking place on top of Tartarus (yes ik its a replica)
But Tartarus is such an intimate location to p3 and having this cheesy shounen as hell battle with 2 p4 casts and one p4 esque character having it out there, really undermines p3's high stakes serious finale feel of the location.
Now thats done, I'll move on with my other gripes.
Power levels both storywise and visualy in game wise.
Outside of mitsuru and akihiko, everyone else non p4 has low level version of skills or just an overall lack luster moves and visuals.
Like bruh why does a magic oriented character like yukari doesn't have magarudyne? Her IK is also one of the most least liked.
Then comes junpei with an amazing persona animation start up, only to fire a measly agi that barely out ranges your neutral attack.
Hermes a god known for speed has very slow persona animations.
His inherited signature move spring of life is suddenly replaced with victory cry (wth?)
It feels so wrong even if its mechanically stronger, replacing it is kind of ehhh...... Thematically wise.
(At least he's got one of the best IK in the game).
Now for ken and koro
You'd think since their a duo that thinks could get messy and flashy.
Hahaha no.
At least it feels satisfying when playing him tho.
Also horrible IK.
Then there's the thing with p4MC and akihiko.
Akihiko a very experienced fighter coming back after his grueling training, gets beaten which is acceptable and believable due to mc wild card shenanigans.
Then comes yu vs yosuke where the latter can go toe to toe with the mc...
Bruh. It creates a weird implication writing wise.
The part adachi rescues aki and mitsuru is understandable since they got their energy absorbed by the crosses, as so its ok.
I love p4 as much as p3 but dang atlus pretty much got obsessed with p4 for a long while until p5 showed up, p3 never got the same treatment always getting backseat.
(Even in the pq series 🤣)
Well at least p3 is more fortunate than p1,p2 (atlus pls remake🙏).
I really wanted to get into this game
the online was really bad at launch and now even with rollback it doesn't let you into the little rooms they are
it's really tough
The single player in this game is honestly pretty poor considering the series we’re talking about. That’s primarily because half the elements this game introduced weren’t resolved by the games ending and indeed still aren’t as of the later games in the timeline. This introduces some series questions regarding Persona 3 and 4’s complete inaction as of this point regarding the nationwide events of both Persona 5 games.
I have played it on ps4 an had no issues except when they did put in rollback then had some crashes even during training mode sessions until the latest patch that seemed to fix that. Being the updated 2.0 version not mentioned here with the added mechanics make it a nice refresher over the old game in 1.1 such as the new shadow frenzy, auto combo changes and, general combo routes changes due to button changes in general. Also worth a mention ps4 got a lobby avatar system where switch an pc did not so could so it's another con but, would also put it to the fact that is how the og 1.1 was on ps3 vs xbox. Still I am a Elizabeth main so take what I type with a grain of salt. A great game still in my eyes with a nice netcode with hours of enjoyment even for the casual player due to the rpg like golden mode an other features.
Really wanted to love this game, especially with its IP
But yeah on launch day pretty much nothing worked and it killed my drive quickly
Gave up and went back to playing Strive and MBTL, and BBCF too
After the rollback patch, I played a ton but my drive died pretty quickly since by then the player counts were very low and all I had to play was a single friend who also owned the game
Didn't expect to see a persona main RUclips channel
Welp, I suck at fighting games, despite liking them a lot, so any netcode problems are irrelevant to me. And if we ignore netcode, the game is 10/10. Too bad it's not available in my region.
This is definitely a "get on a sale" game if you want to enjoy a pretty cool story canon to the series
Great video but did you just call junpei... Engine..?
They were more aiming to appeal to the RPG guys that bought up the P4 Golden port. I guess they didn't understand the market wanting to be able to actually play it online, whoops. It really is a shame. Also, I am also a fighting game/RPG guy as well
I knew there was more overlap than I though lol. I hope P5A isn't just a pipe dream. Also I hope it's good lol
@@Tony4You Well, ASW has their plate pretty full at the moment I would say, but it sold well, so I don't see why not. The biggest pipe dream would be P1/2 characters in it. Let me dream there.
Even if the online stays trash, its at least out of ps3 purgotory and that alone does sooo much for me. Even if its local only its easier to get someone else to play if its an exe to load up as opposed to dusting out the old PS3
True enough, better than nothing
how did you not mention adachi and teddie's theme
330th Like here.
I hope someday you also try BBTag so you could compare it to P4AU.
If you want every DLC, you should get the Special Edition.
I was interested in maybe picking it up, but I am not a fan of Blazblue or tag games in general lol
@@Tony4You
Understandable.
Well when you have the chance, hope you give both Blazblue & BBTag a shot.
While the initial re-release of the game definitely left a lot to be desired, I personally still had a great time with the game even before and after the betas and patches. They didn't have a huge team working on the netcode for the game, which in my eyes more than makes up for the release schedule. As for the choice for delivery when it comes to releasing their patches betas, while definitely strange, I thought was fine. Perhaps my brain is just broken from my experiences with Rivals of Aether and their endless cycle of betas. I figured anyone who genuinely cared about playing the game would be more than happy to join the betas. They also released community updates whenever a new beta was available, so it was never hard to keep up with them. Overall, I'm just happy to be able to EX Air grab with the best of them on PC. Shoutouts to all of my fellow Kanji mains out there.
PS: If you don't main Kanji, that's ok. But only as long as you know that I'm coming for you. And no, you are not safe at full screen.
Across all their PC releases, there are traces of a fundamental issue with Atlus: they really don't like PC gaming. If not for SEGA stepping in, Atlus would probably continue to ignore the platform altogether.
But when their games finally make it to PC, it's often with substantial drawbacks or irritating decisions. Like taking Persona 3 Portable instead of FES for the PC release, or having all the obnoxious Persona 5 Royal DLC unlocked right away. Or with Persona 4 Arena Ultimax right here, they initially weren't even convinced that rollback would be worth it.
To add to that, very few Atlus games even make it to PC at all, with everything from VanillaWare being banished to the backrooms of poorly-marketed console releases, even when their very design would be a perfect fit for PC.
In general, being an Atlus fan hasn't felt great these past few years. But on PC, it really is stressful. Atlus just doesn't care, and offers the bare minimum in effort, but their more recent games in general feel like examples of bad prioritizing.
Sorry, how is having the P5R DLC available for free a bad thing?
@@sandorrclegane2307 It's unlocked automatically, immediately stuffing a high level Persona into your collection right away, filling your inventory with good items, and handing you a big swing of cash.
You basically start out completely loaded and cannot refuse. That skews your starting experience hard, as the first half of the game is trivialized now. Meanwhile, the latter half spikes in difficulty like a bitch , and the crutch comes back to bite you as it rapidly loses its value.
@@KazeMemaryu ohh yeah i get the issue now
Atlus is still one of my favorite game companies out there, but they've been doing a lot of things over the past several years that either: just doesn't live up to their standards, or I'm just not okay with. I'm sure most of us have complained multiple times already about their dlc practices so no need to get into that, but something else that kinda lets me down is that they haven't really published games like they use to. Atlus use to drop tons of niche RPG's that probably never would've made it over to the west otherwise and they just don't do that anymore. Persona is still fantastic at least. I still like the SMT games they've put out lately, though I don't find them nearly as satisfying as earlier games. But that's kinda it. Outside of a few Vanillaware ports (which Vanillaware games are AWESOME by the way) I can't remember what else Atlus has done within the past several years. Like seriously, what else has Atlus done outside of Persona and SMT within the last 7 to 8 years because I genuinely can't recall. I'm sadly becoming less and less excited about what they do now, and I hate that feeling.
It's sad to see a decay of quality like this. I really hope Atlus gets it together sooner rather than later
They did Persona 5
They sold Persona 5 again but with a better final dungeon and main villain + Kasumi
They made Smt V that.... Well it's an amazing game but it would be even better if it didn't passed through development hell and the story got screwed over
SH2(kinda bad/mid)
And scummy practices
Honestly i'm afraid with P6's fate
Sega is screwing over these guys probably. SMT III HD Remastered is full-on DLC for a 2003 game, what the hell.
Persona 4 Golden on PC in 2020 was great though, can't say for sure why they waited so long to release in consoles.
Atlus has some IP's with good potential sleeping. It just happens that SMT and Persona are the most famous ones.
this game is usually one I play just to decompress by wailing on AI, so the online issues haven't bothered me, but it's frustrating that the experience has been so poor for the people who *do* attempt to play online.
Before the re-release, getting P4AU on modern hardware seemed very expensive at the time and seeing that it was stuck on the PS3 really made people like me thirsty for more Persona 4 after Golden on PC. The game was announced at the GOTY awards and I was hyped, more than I should've been because Atlus being this game any light was a miracle in of itself. The big problem I have is that when we got P4AU, there was nothing really new to keep me captivated to play. All of the dlc was given which was nice of Atlus but I needed something different, maybe adding in some new characters, new mode or maybe even bring in Persona 5 characters into the game as an extra story or just a new set of fighters. We already have Joker in Smash Ultimate, so it would be really unique having something new into this almost ten year old game. But the game dropped quickly after the long wait for rollback netcode and no crossplay.
There were things that I was interested in like the 2.0 reworks and the buffs to the shadows which completely changed the meta of the game, crossplay seems to barely be a thing with arcs and the discussion has only reached to GGS so it’s more of a arcs issue then an atlus one, p5 characters in this would be kind of weird if they added them in (with 3 cast aged up but both 4 and 5 are in uniform) instead if they could of added. Theodore or Fuuka instead
My thoughts exactly dude, i love this game but i wish i had more incentive to play it
Its also sad that the switch version didnt get rollback because thats the one i got lol
It's always the worst when great games get flubbed like this
You'd think having a choice to play as the shadows would've been a pretty good opportunity to make Metis playable in a rerelease. It helps that her Pre-3 era red eyes make her stand out more than the other human shadows.
It's so sad seeing this game die as soon as it did, I was so hyped when this game got announced
I created a discord server for p4au and bought all 3 versions
But it sadly just got released at the wrong time with little to no advertising
Only thing we can really hope for is the game picks up steam again after the release of golden and portable in jan
edit: Okay after watching the second half I get your perspective... was just hard hearing someone who hadn't played it before talk about it for so long like their entire perspective was shaped by the circumstances of the rerelease and not the game itself. I feel like I should delete most of what I said below now, but damn the way you divided the video so starkly I don't really see why I should... that may as well be called a bait and switch video format lol
This is my favorite fighting game ever. It's the last true 2D pixel art based game that ArcSys ever made. It deserves to be played and remembered forever just like 3rd Strike. I had my best experiences ever with the genre playing this game in person with friends. It is truly that good... hell there was a problem with a lot of the FCG irrationally dismissing it initially anyway, which never made any sense to me and seemed like the most superficial BS. It's really stupid and tragic that this is the state of the currently available version, I cannot comprehend why they wouldn't put in rollback... but my god dude, you could at least ATTEMPT to separate the stupid circumstances and "what your friends are doing right now" etc from your actual own appraisal of the game itself, jesus christ. Seriously, come on, that's just silly and stupid, and basically piling on a bad situation just to look like you "fit in" or whatever... the whole perspective of this is incredibly idiosyncratic, and really not about the game itself at all. Go watch a top 8 from years ago when this was "current"... it really isn't THAT long ago, jesus... or try playing it with a friend in person sometime, we're basically past covid it isn't like that's something impossible to do. I'm just saying don't form your entire view of this game based on the bad netcode.... were you literally too young to play it when it was new or something?
I just don’t really get why they would release the game, THEN patch in the netcode. It would’ve made A LOT more sense to wait that extra couple of months first.
I love that your top 3 songs are literally the most basic of top ten songs. also kanji main huh neat I've been playing mostly teddy and yukari
The songs are good you gotta admit lol. I was really interested in teddies myself
This is really unfortunate, I’ve been playing the ps4 version that actually have the old ps3 lobbies and while it’s not the largest population of players compared to an active game like Guilty Gear Strive, I still find a good chunk of great matches.
It makes me sad that PC players have been getting it rough even with the current rollback patch (or in your case apparently still in beta, yikes) so here’s hoping that Atlus can get Arcsys to fix all this, since the rollback team who did Guilty Gear +R did a great job with adding more features to make it more accessible to modern players. Ultimax is my favorite fighting ever and I want everyone to enjoy it so here’s hoping we’ll get some updates after the persona concert, I’m praying for you pc players (and switch players too but that’s a whole other can of worms)🙏
I feel switch players are screwed from the get go and none of that was from atlus, arcs just doesn't seem to like switch and it's said inserting rollback requires way more effort to include on switch then the others.
@@nightwish1453 From what I’ve heard, Rollback is fairly intensive especially for games that weren’t made with rollback in mind, so the Switch would probably explode trying to run Persona with rollback
I can’t believe le persona 4 is alive again thank you Tony
I dont think Atlus realize how MUCH a few months is for a pvp game to have a decent netcode. It doesnt matter if they eventually release the better netcode people won't care or will have move on. And this might give the devs the wrong idea "oh they dont like this game we shouldnt do this anymore"
Honestly I never really cared for online but I understand the situation you were going through with this game.
Gotta ask, is this a problem just for the steam port or every port of the game? I’m just curious.
PC's online problems are different than PS4 but both had to wait until rollback dropped.
PC is also lacking PS4's more open lobby system (we just say "Junes").
This means it's much more difficult in PC to just walk up to one random person and play.
@@fortunes_youtube oh ok
I feel like the exclusion of rollback in the start was cuz this could have maybe been a test release to see the interest in a return to the arena series? They wouldn't have added rollback to save money and to not make the community too "fixated" before releasing P5A. Given how stupid Atlus is with this stuff it could have been that. Sad thing is if it was a test they probably think people don't want P5 arena.
Didn't explain that well but y'know what I mean.
I still play on ps5 but some daysbits kinda hard to find people it sucks because the game is very fun.
The game is still absolutely great for sure
Had a lot of fun playing it again at launch with other people despite the lack of rollback. But dropped off and honestly didn't play it again even after it got rollback. I dunno if people are still really playing it on PS4 anymore which is unfortunate. The numbers wouldn't have stayed large for long even if it had rollback but it definitely would've lasted longer if the game came with it at launch
Also preetty sure no physical release and or preorder bonuses like the other persona games usually do for console
I could be wrong 😅🤷
waiting for Persona 5 Arena
This could be a 10/10... easily, despite many things that might not appeal to everyone (the visual novel aspect, for instance).
I really, really hope it continues to get patches because there are still a number of issues with it.
I remember playing this game back in high school on the ps3, the game was so fun and the online was thriving. I was so excited for the port. Such a disappointment
... I don't want to watch the whole video, mostly because I'm tired and don't care that much, but I just have to ask... Is this something only for the PC version and online mode?
... I played it on PS4 and don't like playing online. So I'm just wondering if I should care about any of this at all.
Hi, Bostonian here; Labrys has a Brooklyn accent, not a Boston accent. A lot of anime games and shows give characters with Kansai accents in the Japanese version Brooklyn accents in the English dubs, like Joey from Yu-Gi-Oh.
O personally only bought it to say “Hey! Atlus! Persona can thrive on consoles other than Playstation!”
It's a good a reason as any I suppose, at least the story is good
Persona my be a bigger name than it has been in its history as a franchise, but I don't see how they thought that the online of this game would survive without rollback netcode. The fact that the PC version is STILL in beta with its rollback netcode means that once it's finally implemented the game will have so few players online left that it will hardly matter. The online of this game will have to practically be F2P for a revival to even be possible.
I really can't begin to imagine the thought process behind this release part of persona 25. They should really not get complacent with their IPs
Legit ever since I got this game for switch not even a month after it came out, I haven’t found a single match
I wish arena could've been this combined experience(Like Mk11 story mode)The story was great but the amount of players were lacking.
Poor Minazuki and Sho.
completely missing the point of the rollback netcode being a beta TEST
i bought this game on the nintendo switch for $25 like 5 months ago and i have not launched it once. i dont even like fighting games lol its just sitting there
I bet a lot of the sales on switch are like that lol
Welp 10 months later i try and get back to the game only to realize the rollback beta just doesent work on steam anymore since the key isent valid anymore. the game is completely abandoned
Rollback has been out of beta for quite some time now, so I would opt out if you haven't already.
@@deco7217 oh ok there was no announcement on steam so i assumed it hadnt.
Dunno, I'll get this game just for the story. Just because I suck at fighting games most of the time, at least the newer ones.
It's a shame it's not on the spotlight just because they didn't released it with netcode. A missed opportunity for sure, but the base still looks awesome.
I own p4au on switch and I have only found an online match once and it was extremely laggy
To see one of the most loved games in the FGC from one of my most beloved series breaks my heart. It just kills me to see such a good game die becuse someone upper high didn't care
I was playing today and I won but the other player disconnected and the fight did not count, WTF Atlus
Fighting game infrastructure at it again
I count your win! Look! EduardRulez 1 OnlineRando 0. Congratulations on your win
@@akiuta4 seven months later but thanks
I got this game on Xbox 360, I enjoyed it, don’t know if I’ll get it on Switch now though
Based fellow Kanjichad. I never played Ultimax, but he was my main in vanilla Arena.
I just play it offline so it doesn't affect me but I do see the problem