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Battle of the comps! Stacatto, Nighthawk custom, Taran Tactical. Which would you buy?
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2022
- I have had time on all 3 of these pistols. Each has some unique features. Huge shout out to Taran Tactical for sending me out a brand new Sand Viper to T&E, Same goes for Nighthawk Customs for sending out the TRS comp, these pistols are in very high demand, and NHC sent out a TRS comp with all the upgrades one could as for. The staccato is one of my personal daily blasters.
Excellent video, as always! Thanks for checking out the TRS Comp!
Appreciate the support!! I will see you guys at shot show.
IMO, the Taran Tactical is not worth its cost... Just because of marketing and a movie doesn't mean it's worth the asking price... Insane!
Supply and Demand, they sold out in a day, just depends on who you are on if it’s worth it to you or not. The sand viper already holds the 2 gun national title,and the pit viper also.
💯 agree
@@walterlangkowski4723 so does the gun aim and shoot by itself? Im sure glock has held that title a few times being a poor mans gun… its what you practice with… most of the expensive guns are just marketing after a certain point…
@@walterlangkowski4723 demand doesnt make a product worth the cost though, that demand is driven from the marketting
@@walterlangkowski4723 their shooter does. Not the gun . Nils Jonassen won the production division with a $600 Canik Rival
Great video as always and good to hear that the XC found a way back to your liking. Side note: the quality and production of your videos are very professional. Good ish!
Wow Jeff, thank you for this awesome comparison 🙏💪🙏
I'm in the market for a Comp'd 2011 and you just solidified my choice the XC it will be. Cheaper and a hell of a Laser Beam. With the money I'm saving, an SRO will be purchased as well.
Glad I could help. Just remember is you choose to a active retention holster like one of our rds holsters or a black hawk holster. The SRO will be an issue due to its length. If you go with any other Reddot. (Which I recommend) your holster options are endless.
Jeff
As an owner of an XC and TRS, I agree with your conclusion. XC is my go to range toy followed closely by the TRS.
I hit the play button with some nervousness, having just bought a Staccato XC for my birthday. Still haven’t made it to the range for first shots, but really looking forward to firing it soon. Especially after your review stroking my confirmation bias to the point of needing a cigarette. Great points and highlights on all three of these fabulous weapons-will be looking forward to more of your videos after I hit subscribe. Thanks.
Thank you for the commentary. I hope you are around for more reviews. Thank you Poohpaw!
great video exactly what i needed. Thanks rdr gear for the video!
Thank you for the excellent review.
Great video! Just thought I'd mention a tight shot group is not contingent on having a sight zero'd. Liked what you said about the fundamentals...spot on. Thanks for the vid!
No the dot makes a huge difference. For a shooter who is at a non master level. It’s very difficult to rat hole a target at 25yds. Same application goes a scoped rifle. If the weapon set is not 100% dialed does not matter how good the shooter is.
@@rdrgear I could agree with that, and before I go any further let me just say I throughouly enjoyed your video and I have the upmost confidence that you are as proficient as they come. With that being said...had I been watching a "non-master level" I wouldn't have thought twice about it. But with all due respect, you sir passed the non master level a long time ago and were shooting B8's at 15 yds not 25 yds. Kinda felt like you were a little reluctant to give Staccato it's full credit cause that whole subscription thing...lol. Great video though!!
@@RoughRiderFORlife lol Chris, you crack me up. I am in no way there. It’s funny that just recently after taking a class with the boys at Ridgeline. I had never really invested in gun set up. Or did it think in a weekend. I would learn to zero my gun to me. Versus shooting to my zero. I appreciate the support and the compliments. And most of all the Engagement. Have a great weekend.
I have a few guns but my go to is my xc. When I go to the shooting range that’s my baby everything is just flawless and I love it when I put target at 25-50 yards to warm up it just hits were I point red dot and the people around just start wondering how I get back on target so quick and stay consistent
Loved the comparison, still havent got the oportunity to test the sand viper, can it be compared to the combat master? Regarding NHawk and XC i got on both few rnds already and im in line with your opinion, other 2 guns that i own and i feel can get into the fray are Sti CCC Mpi and The dvc omni, to be honest im not to sure why but the omni to me is the best of them all when i shoot that gun always makes my day...
Awesome comparison, Great Video.
OMG someone actually made the video I Googled!! Bravo!!
Sandviper is beautiful and amazing gun, but my favorite is staccato xc I like it very much
Great video and comparison
Awesome explanation and entertaining
When you go beyond a Staccato it’s diminishing returns. It’s more about exclusivity and customization.
And the performance long term. And the craftsmanship when it comes to brands like Nighthawk, Cabot, Wilson combat, Alchemy etc. those brands and pistols will hold their value far longer than a Staccato will. And their performance will still be there simply due to the craftsmanship in the pistol from the start.
My vote is for a chambers custom. Truly hand fit craftsmanship that will last a lifetime. If i ever sold my nighthawks, thats where my money is.
@@rdrgearyou're talking out of your ass, you have evidence for that statement? Also Alchemy is a joke, I've bought 2 1911s from them I sold within a month because of poor finishing, first was sloppy slide stop and also safety fitting to the point of barely being functional and the other had terrible blending all around I regret ever doing business with them and dealing with their douchebag sales guy was the cherry on top. FUCK Alchemy.
Atlas Erebus is the Mount everest of comp guns!
For the money, performance, looks and that you can customize to your likes and wants and still be cheaper than the other 2, the XC is hard too beat! Let's not forget Atlas gunworks
Being that 2011s are flat as fuuu already - You should do a short and have Crispy get some slow mo shots of comp'd vs some do not have a comp. I can't imagine seeing/feeling the benefit of a comp'd gun - but easily could be just my experience level. The more I see the XC and handle it, the more I am liking the thought of having one as an option for range/training class 2011. I thought your points on cadence and distance were great points! Another great video guys - a completely diff angle and discussion here.👏
In shoot them both equally. How a pistol is sprung makes a huge difference. Look at the staccato P duo review. That’s a non comp gun. The muzzle rise difference is not worth 2k+
Nice Pistols for sure! 🤘🏼
Went with the XC as they offered similar performance for a better price to the nighthawk and Sand viper. If money wasnt an option, than the sand viper cause i love the colors but nighthawk and XC are close behind.
A while back I shot a costa carry comp by STI and it was a laser gun, I was disappointed with the change in the company but I also get why it was done.
For the money staccatos absolutely killing it out here
It’s over priced by about 800. But I agree it’s a pistol at 3200-3300
What should the nighthawk be priced at then?
@@2005bjpatton man it all depends on what you pick. The Trs comp in this video is 6200
@@rdrgearyeah right lol who else is making something that competes with the XC for 3300. Most aren't at the full price of the XC.
@@YourwifesBF69 the xc is the glock 34 of 2011’s.
Good review!!!
Missing the Atlas Erebus. Heavy like the Nighthawk. I put a stainless Cheely grip on my XC along with an Atlas trigger, thumb safety and a gas pedal. The Atlas still feels better quality, but it moves the XC closer in feel, and it’s faster than the Atlas.
i wish , i could have this NightHawk Custom 9mm.
its Awesome Pistol craftmanship.❤
Thanks for the comparison. At the price point, I can't justify the Sand Viper. However I'm on board with the XC and TRS Comp. I shot the XC the other day at my local range and it felt like I was cheating. I wish I could shoot a TRS Comp before making a final decision. The money I can save getting the XC over the TRS Comp can go towards optic, x300 turbo, holster, Modern Samurai red dot class and have money to spare.
I own both, the finish and edges r better on the trs. However performance wise i shoot slightly better with the xc. Get the xc, x300, dpp, and holster. U won't regret it
@Gabriel Collazo I keep hearing the fit and finish on the TRS Comps are better and they should be for the difference in price but then again, who cares about the fit and finish if it can't outperform a less expensive gun right? For the TRS Comp $, I would rather go with the Erebus from Altas.
Finally !!! I like your channel but you kinda talk down the staccato XC in my opinion. You finally gave it some props. It’s ok to like what you like but when you say the XC is a good 3200 gun but say nothing about the 5-7 k guns value or cost it just felt like you had a bias against staccato. Again , like your content , but noticed some bias. ✌🏻
Appreciate the feedback. I do not believe the Stacatto’s are priced proportionally to what you get. In regards to features and parts. Once you get to the 5500+ mark. Those guns often have options, finishes, cuts grip modules etc. So I try not to get too deep on price because it can vary. But you make a solid observation. That I can definitely work on with all my reviews. Thank you.
Jeff
Sand viper is too expensive. Staccato is too plastic. Correct answer is nighthawk.
I bought the XC. Because I didn’t know the others existed at the time.
Edit: loving the XC though. Accurate fast and I can’t stop shooting it. Goes with me to the range every time and already have thousands of rounds through it.
Also like the barrel is part of the comp. It’s unique.
Check out Cheely Custom Gunworks. That's the answer to your Staccato being to "plastic".
@@joncos9579 good point. The plastic grip is growing on me though. I don’t feel the need to add more money into it. I’d rather spend on ammo.
Love my XC!!
Love that FD USA hat
Which holster did you use for the Nighthawk?
Anyone know the recoil and mainspring weights on each pistol?
Why dont you put a polymer grip module on the trs? I agree with what you said, I have a trs comp and firehawk ds and would prefer a polymer grip on both. Wonder how they would run with one?
I would think, not well with a ploy frame. I would assume the pistol may not run right due to being lighter. But I’m not a gun smith. So I am not sure.
Looks like there was a good amount of play in the x300u on the Staccato
The polymer frame model does have play. I know this because I bought the wrong one. If you buy the other variant meant for non polymer guns it has zero play on the XC
For the money you can’t beat an XC, even if you buy the prodigy and have it sent to a 2011 shop by the time your done, you will be spending more then an XC in the end, and the XC will still outshoot the prodigy. Ask me how I know
Lmao how did you put 3k into a prodigy
False the XC with a comp will not outshoot a custom prodigy with a comp or slide comp period. The prodigy already shoots softer adding the comp and internals makes it insanely soft and accurate. And, it only costs $800 bucks total for the upgrades so you are maybe spending 2100 to 2400 total and that is stretching it.
I want a stacatto or sand viper for home defense lol but the most expensive gun I have ever bought was like 1,500$ and I can't afford them 😔
So I just picked up the staccato C2 and I love it. But I have to get it milled for a rmr I am down to either Vulcan machine werks or monsoon tactical. Can you give me some insight on either please?
I have several 2011’s done up by the team at Vulcan. Jermey is a solid dude and they do great work. Having the Stacatto direct milled is a better way to go. Much better fit than the Dawson system. The dot sits much lower. I see and hear good things about monsoon. I just have not had any work done by them
Yet.
@@rdrgear thanks so much for getting back to me. Have a great weekend! Love your channel!!
Beautiful pieces but the TT price is just completely stupid. Without the movie hype theyd be the same price as the Nighthawk. Personally, give me the Staccato with leftover $ for optics, light, training, and ammo.
Damn you have money for accessories and ammo after buying the xc? Must be livin comfy
@@HarryJunk hell no thats why I have a P 🤣
KnightHawk Customs hands down
Haven't shot it, but I knew the Sand Viper would be the fastest. Can't believe the price though, insane.
Your paying for the john wick nerds
All of them 😊
These experts! We are talking about a 9mm 1911! On a wide body frame.
Nice video. I have the Staccato C2 with the PMM comp, so I'm good in the Staccato family. I was looking at the Nighthawk, you said it is heavy I may just have to get in the gym and get my guns up (no pun intended) while I'm waiting for my order to be built. Thanks for sharing. Oh one thing, I just saw a 1911 syndicate video and he had a iwb holster that he said you made that locks in the safety levers on his 2011. Is that a custom build or what model number is it?
Not one we offer anymore we are rebuilding the kydex line up
Which Nighthawk did you order? Has is come in yet? I'd imagine there is a substantial wait once your order is placed.
@@Joe_Friday I did not end up keeping the gun that was sent for this review. I have been eyeing a counselor.
Dang no erebus?
Thank you for this video. I had a question... You've shot all three of these and the Atlas Athena and Erebus. Which of these five is the best? I'm going to buy one of them... Just trying to figure out which one. I have an Atlas Artemis... But I'd like a faster shooting, faster return to zero gun. I'm looking into these five choices... I'd greatly appreciate your feedback! Thank you!
Loren, if you want shoot me a DM
On Ig or we can talk here.
1. Is there a budget? With 2011’s in general. I feel it’s wise to have one. It will help you in what you look at.
2. Purpose. Example. Are you more a Tactical pistol shooter/student. Do you take classes? Or are you a match shooter. If so, how many matches a month. Uspsa, 2 gun, 3 gun outlaw etc. This will help you determine the style of pistol and what features you may want out the box.
3. Gear, if you got a budget. Add 1k to it. For belt, holster and additional magazines. The 1k will cover you pretty much any direction. And may leave a few bucks for additional mags.
With these 3 questions, I can give you my honest answer, more importantly WHY I am saying what I am saying. And I can give you some alternates. That I have shot but not had the opportunity to review on the channel.
@@rdrgearno budget which one would you choose out of the 5? I have the Athena just got a pit viper on order. Wondering your thoughts since you’ve shot all of them
@@DavidGarciajrtx i can say i would
Not buy any of TT guns. If i am being honest. Unless you just want it as a collection piece.
@@rdrgear interesting. They’re not recommended at all? Why do some people say it’s awesome?
@@DavidGarciajrtx at that price you can purchase a gun made for you. That is a 100% scratch built fitted gun. People like them for the movie history. But they are not worth the 6k+ they are asking.
That sand viper tho. It goes faest.
Would love to see a comparison between all those 3 against the Phoenix Trinity H-TAC...
They are all 2011’s. These are all pistols with better history. The Htac is a very cool pistol. I reached out to them twice no response.
@@rdrgear I can send you my pistol for review if you care to~ Would love to see a comparison, I own the Staccato XC, Honcho, etc. Unfortunately, Phoenix Trinity isn't too good when it comes to service and treating their customers right. At least that has been my experience~
@@chgofirefighter shoot me a message on IG. Let’s talk
@@rdrgear My bad, couldn't find you on IG~
@@chgofirefighterhonestly I think the sand viper would still be a better and more reliable pick.
No Atlas Artemis?
Artemis isn't comped, the Erebus is. And the Erebus blasts these 3 out of the water for shootability. It's not a duty gun however.
Pretty sure it's spelled Staccato. Although in our hearts it is still STI.
At roughly 8500 for the sandviper I’d go with the trs comp at 6000 all day every day
Each has their own unique features. Both are amazing pistols. But I agree with you.
Okay, before i waste my money lol
Can i come shoot with you to see which one i should buy?
Atlas if we're featured. But the nighthawk all day long.
I did reviews on the erebus. These are all pistols that flirt between competition and all around traning/duty 2011’s. That’s why the atlas was not included
i am also a nighthawk fanboy, their guns are just elegant and gorgeous. and i appreciate their brand recognition, hand made, custom built, and classy. yet functional and able to be daily use.
does anyone know of a compensator for a glock 45 that looks similar to the sand vipers? i love that nose and angle but feel like i may have to machine it myself if i really want that look
The agency arms one is pretty cool
Agency arms ramjet and afterburner barrel and comp.
Parker Mountain Machine...FTW! Barrel and Comp combo is sweet.
PMM jttc
Which one is your favorite?
Out these three. The TRS Comp. It’s the most versatile of the 3 with the best mounting system for the rds.
For the price XC FTW
Can you plz do a review of EDC comp pistols like bul sas viper …..giving A lot of the above pistols now in 21 ounces package as 95% of times one is not shooting……but carrying more weight 95% of time
Man if they were available yes. They are just very tough to come by. I guess I need to look at a patreon account. This way I could just buy guns for review then the gun go in a waffle to all the patrons who subscribed
@@rdrgear Q from your experience would you choose a liter pistol 21 ounces comp with a 2.5 trigger weight or a heavier gun with 1.5 trigger weight ……..I’m finding all premium guns focus on sub 2 pounds trigger , safety angle, grip ,flat shooting but none of the premium guns have thought of reducing weight ……Which I feel is a gap in the premium gun category that no one has claimed in the 1911 double stacked / 2011 platform…..I wanna see Athena 3.5 comp with that Chile grip at 21 pounds with that sub 2 pound trigger …..That would b so awesome !!!
Can anyone tell me which brand of shirt he’s wearing in this vid?
kuhl is the brand
You need to add a limcat an infinity and an atlas into this comparison.
It’s tough to get them all. And those pistols are in my opinion. True dedicated open guns. Not your traditional multi-use comped 2011 with the right holster you could edc any one of these pistols.
Atlas Artemis
Bul Armory for me. If I could ever get one lol
They are tough to get and even harder to get into from them to actually buy one
Atlas Erebus is KING 👑
Should’ve added the Atlas Artemis to this comparison and u should’ve hit the weights before shooting the Nighthawk bro!
I know. I’m getting old. The Athena and the erebus I have already reviewed amazing pistols. Just more competition for me than I would like
Which ones are the least expensive out of the ones in this video and the one's you just mentioned?
@@joeyphillips1181 the staccato XC is the least expensive.
@@joeyphillips1181 Staccato XC is the cheapest
The Artemis is a sight Block not a comp
Which one would I buy? None of the above, I would buy the 9mm Bul Armory SAS II with 16 rd mags & red dot optic ready.
Said no one ever. Unless you just want an inexpensive 2011. Not to mention bul armory products are pretty tough to find. And all of these are 5” full size 2011’s.
@@rdrgear Bull's 2011's & competition 1911's are mid-range to expensive priced. If you get a chance to shoot any Bul product at a range somewhere I think you will find they are accurate, well made & reliable.
I recently got a BUL Armory 9mm Government - I’ve had several people at my range ask me about it. For less than $1000, it’s a great 1911 - I just wish I could put a Holosun green dot in it; I have TruGlo night sights
If BUL would make their products more available in the US, they’d have a lot of buyers 👍🏿
I can't draw any solid conclusions from this somewhat rambling summary. It's sort of like "well, this gun is good but the other guns are good too and any accuracy errors are due to me and not the gun, and they all are cool but some are too expensive, yada yada yada'. A little more structured and focused objective analysis would be helpful. Appreciate the effort but I still don't know which gun would be best for me.
Whats your budget. But what you like, looks cool feels good in the hand and what you can afford.
There are plenty of pistols that are below this price point. That also solid.
I also don’t which gun is the best for you. I don’t think you are going to get that from a YT video. Best of luck with your purchase.
@@rdrgear Maybe a High Point.
Staccato makes the sand viper also right?
No. The SV is a different pistol. Very similar styling.
Sand Viper is made by Taran Tactical in California. 6k i believe.
Is one of them ported my Vinny from moms son tactical with the GenghisKomp ?
The are all comp’d pistol. Not ported.
Staccato XL for me
I like the XL a lot. Just the holster selection kills it. And there is no data driven advantage to the 5.25 over the 5”’barrel that I can see or find. They are a solid pistol though.
@@rdrgear therea something to the spring mass combo that makes the xl super flat
Holsters are limited. Accuracy is not significant enough between the 5” barrel and 5.5” barrel
Great review! New Sub here. I love my Staccato C2 but the other guns make no sense to me unless you compete. Shit I carry my G43x mos more than my C2 for off duty carry. Train with what you carry.
Sounds like u are about to get a CS
@@gabrielcollazo6835 Shit I just paid off my C2. My wife would not be happy. lol.
@@russdennis7026 just tell her you need the cs to protect your other guns
100% That's why you have one for work and one for play. This way you can have your cake and eat it too.
@@RoughRiderFORlife I used to be like that but now I only train with what I carry. I know how boring right?
Expensive video
Sometimes I get to spend a few bucks.
Nighthawk custom is the best.😁😆
1911 Syndicate had a lot of things so say about that Sand Viper. Not a 7G gun. Total cash grab. So my question is how did you acquire the sand viper? I have the STI Omni (basically the XC) and that gun is lightening fast.
I would agree. The sand viper is not a 7g pistol. And just like Jake, it was a loaner. Mine happen to come directly from Tarren Tactical.
Prices are ridiculous. 💲💲💲
You're just poor.
@@POPJack1717 bet you cant shoot for shit . I know a guy like you has Zev OZ9 and Daniel Defense and I outshoot him with my Canik and MP Sport. You cant buy talent and practice
@@RedEyePergo ok those guns are mid at best. So yeah woohoo🎉🎉🎉
@@POPJack1717 I bet you’d have to finance any of these guns to own them. Also 7k for a handgun seems reasonable to you?
@@David1776_ ok. 👍
Springfield 😀😳
Need to include the canik sfx rival in this matchup
Y
It’s levels
Youre om crack
Canik is 500 dollar gun this are expensive not in the same class
Canik is an embarrassment compared to these guns. If you don’t have the money, then just buy a Canik.
Mr Miyagi?
Rip headphone users
Stupid intro scared the shit out of me. LMAO
@@FiatIsTheft54 dude fr i threw my headset off
Bad 😂
I would pick the xc probably the cheapest one to .
Isn't the nighthawk the cheapest one tho? The staccato here is 4500
Same for Trs comp
@@imbangmaynn5705 night hawk5k
Interesting how that X300 flexes on the XC under recoil.
That might have been a shot where we found the light was a little loose.
I caught that too
Erebus is still king 🤴 that is all 😏😉
XC baby!! and Id rather spend money on any Atlas Gunworks masterpiece than that over rated viper
Cant argue with that.
Wait hold up No WILSON COMBAT ? what the hell are you thinking about.
Show me a comp’d Wilson combat 2011.
3 pistols= over $16,000 LMAO
Gotta enjoy life. I have worked my ass off at my own business for over a decade. You think 16k in pistols is bad. You Should see my bourbon room. Or the rifle room, the rifles would really get your panties in a twist.
@RDR GEAR oh don't get me wrong I would definitely buy one if I could. Especially that TTI. That thing is bad ass.
I've put a lot of money into rifles. I have an AR that cost over 7k.
Got a BE Meyers mawl on it. Its all hooked up.
One day I'll splurge and get an expensive pistol
@@rdrgear Exactly. Some buy $100,000 pickup trucks, others bass boats and gear, so a $5,000 custom handgun is cheap by way of comparison. Even if it wasn’t, you earn it, you spend it as you see fit. Life is short… die with few regrets.
@@rdrgear I don't just want to see your bourbon room, I want to bring some good cigars and drink some of the good bourbons in your room. 🤙🏽
You can't even find one!¡ it also helps when you get them for free so you can make your videos
I love when guys like you talk about things you have no idea about.
#1. I still fund 90% of this channel. #2. I bought the XC full retail. #3. It’s called marketing relationships. Yes the much bigger names in the gun tuber space get guns for free, and most likely some type of marketing salary arrangement.
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The large majority network just like i did. Taran Tactical sent the sand viper as a loaner test fit safariland holster mods. I have a good relationship with night hawk and they sent the TRS Comp, as a demo/loaner. Sometimes if the guns are mot on back order for customers. The content creator can purchase the pistol with a small industry discount. So no! I don’t get all the guns we review for free. We are growing the channel, and some companies have started supporting the channel. When a company has sent a product for review we disclose that. If you can’t find any of pistols in this review try harder they are readily available to order.
Taran should not be there . Title should have been with only 2 brands .
someone answer me is pit viper a glock??
2011 I think
@@skyahn83 2011 XC on steroids
Hell no
Vipers are make by taran tactical,glock is low end compared to this guns
Where Erebus
That's what I was thinking
@@pauls8304 I've offered to send in my Tenesis for him to play with. He was about it for a little while then my IG got deleted and now he's not interested in it. Would be an interesting video to see.
@@JKCullens tenesis?
@@pauls8304 Atlas Gunsworks Nemesis in 10mm.
@@JKCullens got yah
Something not mentioned. If you are buying a COMP gun for 3'gun and you're a John wick fan...LOL...and have deep pockets...buy the TTI Sand Viper. nd you planed to get a SRO RDS anyway....
HOWEVER, if you plan to sue the gun also for "defensive purposes" (e.g. combat, home protection...etc.) and you plan to put a closed emitter RDS like the Holosun 508T or Aimpoint P2....then the Sand Viper is not for you....
What gets me about TTi is how commerical they are....clearly...with their "John Wick LIne" of guns LOL!! How they were the tones who trained Keanu Reeves for John Wick "gunplay"...the character was an "assassin" not a 3-Gun competitor :)) Why they didn't send Keanu to a "combat focused" trainer, ex-SPEC OPS man...shrug.....
TTi---clearly a 3-Gun oriented company intetnonally keeps putting a "combat slant" on his guns...just to keep snagging that wealthy John Wick fanboy....wanting to own "JW's guns" LOL11 ...naming their guns "Combat Master" and "Sand or Pit Master" ...COME ON !! :)) ...but they ARE selling out so...good for them....achieving their objective/"target crowd"...This is the age of the RDS-...whether you're a range -only shooter or use the gun in actual combat (LE, military or agncy operators...)...odd there aren't more "closed emitter RDS" on the market and everyone not providing those mounts...
The closed and open emiter is ig hype. Think about all the open emitter optics being used aroud the world.
Okay, boomer.
@@rdrgear Was not directed at you.
@@MrMalicious5 sorry :-(
Put the spliffy down
$7000 for the viper🤣 its nice but cmon
I'm sure the Sand Viper is well built, I know it has too much $$$ markup.. and it looks very much like a Hi Point..
Eye check?
@@johncena-hq1ti 15/20
drop the staccato from the list -- compared to the other two is a wal-mart rollback item. Trash compared to the nighthawk in particular
It's all about options. Price points for various buyer.
staccato-walmart? Those two words dont belong in the same sentence. Butt hurt maybe?
@@SwingArmCity not at all. Stacatto is the glock of 2011's. They are ok but not worth the price they charge. Especially the XC. The P
Is the best gun they make
@@SwingArmCity what 2011 do you currently shoot?
@@SwingArmCity please -- only poor people go for lower mid-range gear like staccato.
Which is cheapest lol
I think as time goes on men are getting like women with all that picky stuff kinda like pocket books if something does it's job and what it's meant to do that is good enough for me
I bet you say the same to ppl driving lambos from inside your civic
@@gabrielcollazo6835 No but I do from my horse I'm a cowboy baby..😘
@@James-ut2ez so I assume u use a black powder revolver then
@@James-ut2ez Tell me you're compensating without telling me you're compensating
I'll take the one that's not a ripoff.. oh wait, they are all ripoffs, my bad.
Being a poor is a choice my man. You are 100% in control of that status. 2 of these pistols are a bit over priced. But no one has a gun to head of consumers. They work hard and spend as they wish. It’s a choice. Some roll with 2011’s others roll with Hi-Points.🤙
I’ve only shot the Stacatto of these three, but I can 100% confirm.. not a rip-off. It’s like saying a Lamborghini is a rip-off. Is it expensive? Hell yes! Is it a joy to shoot and a nice status symbol? Hell yes! It’s also the most expensive pistol I own, but does that make it my favorite? Nope. That will always be the first pistol I bought by myself. Just a standard HK USP.
@@rdrgear 🤙🏽
Don’t be a poor
None because im poor, the sro/deltapoint because im not stupid
ill take a Canik over any of those overpriced shits!!
POOR
Keep that polymer jank outta the 2011 bracket 😂
Lol. I get it not everyone has the ability to shoot or buy one of these pistols. The caniks are great pistols.
@@JKCullens I'm not rich but I still own 2 out of 3 of those guns and I still like the way the rival feels in my hand and shoots! So yeah go fuck yourself!
@@cem19771 if you did you wouldn't take a Canik over them. Take this L. But if you did I'll gladly buy you two more caniks and we'll trade.
Staccato all day, every day!
Not against these guns. The craftsman’s ship and performance longevity is just not there.
@@rdrgear I’ve literally seen Staccatos go 10,000 + rounds with zero issues. They perform amazingly well outta the box. Very reliable, too. The nighthawk is over rated and the price point for a pit or sand viper most cannot budget for.
I can grab 2x staccato P’s and send them to DSC, for the price of 1 pit or sand viper. Unfortunately the guy left out Triarch, which hands down walks the Nighthawk every time. Great vid tho 🫡
@@peybackthis1596 DSC. The gun smith for every first time 2011 owner. I love how all these first time STI pistol owners think they have hit the 2011 jackpot. Then send their guns off to have some cut holes in them just so they look cool. The craftsmanship alone for a nighthawk is why the price is what it is. It’s not large scale production pistol from stock non fitted parts. Everyone was once new to a topic. But when you come off thinking what you know is fact, it’s hard not to laugh. The XC os
Over priced by at a min of 800-1000.
Ps. Glocks can run for over 10k rounds. 10 is just little over 800 rounds a month. 200 rounds per range session.
@@peybackthis1596 Triarc, this tells me a lot about your time on a 2011. Your views will change over time. And hour education will grow. And you will learn what pre-fit gun is and what a custom fitted gun is.
@@rdrgear first time 2011 owner! ? Lol ok
DSC does more than porting, buddy. Also, no one does it quite like Dave. You’re clearly new to modifying guns. Take a seat buddy. The nighthawk is, and always will be overpriced for what is a “top tier 2011”. Period. Stay triggered, and go hit the gym fat fuck.