Did it tho? Some executive already gave a statement to this and basically dismissed it. If you believe the NBA is actually gonna actively do "something" then I've some property to sell you..
Now I want Coach Nick to look at Tim Duncan's infamous game where he supposedly shouldve been credited with 2 more blocks and achieved a quadruple double in the finals
Thank you for posting this. I was looking at the examples in the reddit post and it seemed like they were pretty much correctly called stats for Jaren Jackson Jr. I'm glad I'm not going crazy.
@@trevor_4 Basically if Rondo passed it to someone and they eventually scored, Rondo got the assist. There were a lot of examples where there were 5+ seconds in between the pass and the shot
As a diehard dubs fan I always like JJJ since he was college, it’s wild to think that someone would pad his stats😂 that man is crazy talented he just gets into foul trouble easily 😂😂
Idk about the statistician in Memphis but Coach Nick is definitely serving up some home cooking in favour of Chicago by calling NY pizza disgusting 🍕🍕🍕
Since I like defensive players, I'm a big fan of JJJ. He reminds me a bit of my favorite player growing up- AK47, who was a defensive menace back in the mid 2000s. He's the only forward to ever average over 3 BPG not in one season but two! Also, the only player ever to finish a season top 4 in Blocks and Steals, as well as all the 5x5 games, 3 in total- 2nd only to Hakeem the Dream. Definitely one of the best defenders ever, with a combination of athleticism, anticipation, positioning, hustle, instinct, etc.
I imagine youre a big Franz Wagner fan? If not you should definitely watch the Magic in general but especially for him if you loved AK. He shows why he'd be even better in today's League. He wouldn't get as many blocks due to the current offensive style of the NBA. His switchability would be disgusting though and his playmaking and 3pt potential in today's game would be more valued. Guards are becoming bigger but wings and centers are becoming smaller and more fast twitch so 6'10" or taller forwards who can guard 4-5 positions like Jaden McDaniels, JJJ, vintage Ben Simmons, Gianni's, etc are so absurdly valued even compared to older eras.
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 For good defenders with lengtht and instinct you're still guarding one of those guys even if they're not squarely in front of you as long as you're on their hip or heels. You're just switching from peremiter to interior defense. You're contesting and altering the shot of an offensive player. It's the same thing Jaren does in the video. Both guys get put on the weakest offensive forward/big and basically play free safety but you don't automatically give up a guaranteed bucket if they're switched onto an offensive threat on the perimeter. You're never gonna see someone that can guard 1-5 be the primary defender of a center or guard any given night but that on a possession basis they give you respectable defense.
@@ohishwaddup except Giannis can't guard anyone lol. He's a help defender. Jackson can guard today's 1-5 and help. Ben Simmons could've guard 1-4 Giannis could never guard perimeter and he had brook and holiday unlike others lol
Hey Coach Nick. I think part of the issue is that the reddit post was not necessarily questioning JJJ's defensive ability, but the potential of betting and gambling being an explanation for why there may be "home cooking" of the stats. With the push and greater presence of gambling in pro sports these days, there's the potential of abuse leading to a gambling scandal. I don't know for sure and haven't done a deep dive, but it would be a valid concern.
This! The push from all these bettings sites with ads and the rise of social media posts of earnings off bets, it’s a huge concern of mine for sports. I know it’s even getting players targeted by fans for not reaching certain over/unders and what not. It’s not a stretch by any means to think a stats keeper is gaining financially from something like this, considering the scandals we’ve had before involved officials.
There's a reddit thread where you can literally see all the blocks he got so far and at max only like 3 are suspect, the guy that made the reddit thread about his numbers being inflated must have a weird agenda against him
He commented on a similar post to this one on this thread. His response was that anything like that would’ve happened years ago and couldn’t happen in todays league, it wouldn’t be allowed to because of exact videos like this. The entire world has replay now and could call any BS if it happened on large scale.
Anyone remembers Nick Van Exel's 23 assist game? The statistician (coincidentally, the Grizzlies', albeit in Vancouver) admitted that he blatantly exaggerated the numbers just because he felt like it. It's no secret that statisticians are "creative" when it comes to the home players.
@@bballbreakdown Russell Westbrick's triple double seasons weren't that long ago and it was a farce. I used to check his stats and replays just for laughs. It was exactly the same scenario - his assists were padded like crazy by the home crew. Rajon Rondo? Same thing. Unlike those two I like JJJ, but I wouldn't be surprised if the claim turned out to be true.
You mention that the steal vs Philly should have been awarded to Brooks, but here's how I think the scorerkeeper judged it: Yes, Brooks is obviously making the first deflection, but the ball is still in play due to Tobias Harris being in a similar position to pick it up as JJJ. Jaren then flicks the ball up in the air to take Tobias Harris out of the play, and then secures the position after the ball touches the floor. If Harris hadn't been in-play for the ball, I'm 100% sure Brooks would've been credited with the steal no matter if JJJ or he himself picks it up. I made the literal same points regarding the 7 plays ''in question'' on the original reddit thread, and even after several notable media-members have gone through ALL stocks in FedExForum, people are still messaging me saying that its fishy due to the discrepancy in home/away games.. Its incredible how much people want to believe in conspiracies. Its simply a statistical anomaly.
It still leaves one question open. If the home/away splits are this extreme, are Memphis scheming differently home vs away? Has he been with different teammates in each subset of games? Or is this just an incredibly unlikely variance that will revert over time. That one is the easiest to test - just wait for the rest of the season to happen. I think it's real, but I'd be curious to find out if Memphis thinks there's something they do differently defensively (or offensively) on the road vs home (whether they mean to or not).
@@blackjacktrial Apart from Home teams usually playing better at home (especially young teams, like the Grizzlies are) I think it is mostly a statistical anomaly. If anything, they might use JJJ more in specific situations to guard a certain player more, or flow out to the perimeter, instead of letting him roam more and get more blocks and steals. I watch all of the Pelicans games and Herb Jones (also a very good defender) always gets way less defensive stats if he's guarding the other team's best player. Not only is it usually harder to steal the ball from those guys, you can also not freely roam or jump passing lanes or hang around the nail (what Herb likes to do) as you are on that player all the time.
With the way the league is constructed with stats as a marketing tool for superstars, I'm not surprised if the NBA head office conspires with this. I observed this happening way often with assists where the scorer works his way to score and the passer is still credited for an assist. It's a grey area but the rule changes are definitely helping inflate the stats sheet over the years.
Adams has a better def rating and gets less blocks. Lets see if jaren improves or if adams is actually helping jarens case for dpoy, while adams is out for 10 games.
Adams isn’t necessarily a better defender than jjj (in fact, not at all) but what he has that makes his numbers so good is the intimidation factor. It’s the same reason Jjj numbers are so great on the road despite less stocks. Players are terrified of Adams, so they don’t even bother going into wherever he’s going out of fear of getting hurt. The way a lot of defensive metrics work is that if you’re on the floor and points aren’t getting scored wherever you are, you become a + defensively. In fact, I’d wager it’s jjj that helps Adams numbers, bc jjj is eeeeverywhere. He does all the heavy lifting in the paint defensively, so jjj stopping everything that comes into the paint coupled with Adams scaring players away due to his size and strength, it’s no wonder why Adams defensive numbers are so high. An exemplified version of this was when gobert won DPOY his last two years, his steals and blocks were lower than most centers, and especially lower than his early days. He was barely cooking anything tbh. It’s bc teams didn’t even bother to score in the paint when he was there, which made his defensive metrics off the charts. Same thing is happening w Adams bc of the fear he instills in offensive players (especially smaller ones)
I only disagree with the ones where he has to save them cuz he doesn’t truly have possession but thank you for making this video to clear things up because many of the clips are just reaching
Just out of curiosity, When you said, you appreciate a good conspiracy, you showed the picture of the Beatles crossing the road. What’s the conspiracy there?
The one question I have here is on the interpretation of "controls his deflection". Simply batting the ball isn't really "controlling a deflection". The NBA rule book provides an example and states the following: On this play, #11 in blue, Monte Morris, is credited with the steal since he deflected the pass in a controlled manner away from the opponent (even though Morris did not control the ball).” The "controlled manner" part is key. In the first few examples of your video, JJJ didn't deflect the ball in a controlled manner.
Fact is that most of use don't know the rules because there are too many keyboard ballers who've never done a suicide or ran laps for missing free throws. Too many people live vicariously thru YT 😪 😭😭
Do you think Jackson’s high foul count on the road are from blocks and if those blocks are correct calls? Also, someone else queried some of those wrong block calls, then they checked the birds eye view and re credited Jackson with the block. Sorry, I’m not sure who it was.
As someone who hates blantant, empty clickbait I do not consider the wording Coach used for this video title to be clickbait. It's literally the exact question in the minds of the basketball casuals and therefore best suited to describe the video's topic. It indicates to them that it is the video they need to watch to better understand the topic at hand.
Thank you sir. A lot of unwarranted hate for the Grizz. I'm sure most Warrior and Laker fans were creamin when they saw the story first. JJJ and Stevo have been a wall
Brace yourselves, folks. Time for my Preventions metric to weigh in on the JJJ conspiracy. For those unfamiliar, it is a metric I created that deals with stats that don't show up on the box score by examining what the defensive act prevented: a full possession, an assist, or points. I've picked out three plays that I felt were interesting to me: 2:03 - I thought Olynyk was going for a nutmeg. Jackson going behind Tillman for an unintentional defensive screen fooled Olynyk into thinking Vanderbilt was already at the rim for a dunk, when he was clearly not. The credit here would be "1 AST - 1 STL - Jackson,Tillman(H)," with Tillman getting a help credit for the "false screen." 2:29 - Instead of figuring out who gets the block, I'd ask myself "who helped." In a Shot Block Prevention where two players are involved, the helper in the play is the teammate who bodies up the shooter as a deterrent, puts their arms up as a failsafe, or secures the ball after the block for a rebound. Clarke was the first to act on Lee's scoring attempt and assumed position; Lee acknowledged Clarke as his primary defender. But then Jackson gets his blocking hand up first before Clarke's, superseding Clarke's Prevention credit. This was a play that would have taken me more than 5 minutes to decide on the helper, and even slowing down the video to 25% speed produced a nearly inconclusive result. I'll side with the box score keepers and credit this as "1 DELAY - 1 BLK - Jackson,Clarke(H)." Why delay? This play was called out of bounds on Grizzlies; Suns retained possession. 3:04 - This is a classic Assist-Steal, Jackson breaking up a pass that would have led to a Stewart corner 3, and an assist for Ivey had he not played defense. But instead, Jackson inadvertently saves the ball (and possession) back to Stewart. Baseball has a nifty stat called an Error to track down fielding mistakes that may result in more time for the batter, adding runners at base, or scoring unearned runs - this is one of those moments. Jackson would have had a "1 AST - 1 STL" credit, but for the purposes of my metric that credit is lost and is instead replaced with the "ERROR" label. Yep, even basketball makes mistakes. I was hoping to see a Shot Steal in this video, which is where a defender strips the ball away from the scorer before they can complete their shooting motion/attempt. Those are one of the rarest, if not one of my favorite types of defensive plays to analyze, but they weren't present here. Still, another nice video from Coach Nick that goes over plays that have a profound effect on the game, regardless of how invisible that one tally is.
I don't know how anyone who watched those clips agreed with the steals not being legit... the blocks i can usually understand because it's tough to see. But, deflections and steals are pretty straight forward.
bruh not a Grizz fan but defense is the hardest and the most unpredictable part in playing basketball just give the man his due to all his effort, as long as his team benefit it he deserves all/his team the credit, it doesnt matter who the steals or blocks stats went into, he just plays hard to win.
So apparently Memphis has the best stat-keeper in the game. That's what I got from your takes. 5 examples out of how many plays?? edit: there it is, the commercial.
Not to be that guy, but I feel like the more grammatically correct way to title this video would have been "Are Jaren Jackson Jr's Defensive Stats Fraudulent??"
Lmfao, you are absolutely correct and I went back and forth about whether to use the grammatically correct way and felt like it worked better for RUclips titling the way I did it
So what happens is, the nba checks every block and steal after the fact. And if a they find that one of the blocks was actually a foul, they’ll even take away the block retroactively. So he’s clearly deserving of his home blocks and steals, but here’s my thing. What about on the road? How do we know he’s not being shorted on blocks and steals during away games? The nba doesn’t go back to check uncredited plays, only credited ones. That would take way more effort to check out since you’d have to just rewatch all his minutes with that in mind but it seems it would be pretty easy to get away with. Seems to me that idea has more merit than that dumb Reddit one, especially when all the data + video is available to everyone.
From a NY native, he did not. He's allowed to air his opinion on our pizza. I lost respect for him as a person, but hey, he's a Midwestern basketball nerd who probably sustained himself on TV dinners. Not everybody knows about good food
@@Idontwannahandl Nah to be fair Midwestern sounds like some bbq like some big hearty dishes, im from Philly so when he said i almost felt some type of way lol, our Pizza thin too, tho i can say sometimes it is nasty (us not Ny)...ppl prob love that thik type pizza (with good bread) outside of of the East...ppl throw away the crust here
After years of playing fantasy and watching the games, the 'deflector' almost never gets credit for the steal.. its the person who ends up with the ball unless its obvious that the deflection was controlled. There is clear favoritism at the very least.
I immediately got triggered when you said NY pizza was disgusting. The Knicks are terrible and the Nets are full of drama but Joe's Pizza is our saving grace! 😂
I mean our BBQ is fire.. ever heard of homecourt advantage? Everyone on the Griz dick these days, kindly hop off. Who ever made that reddit post "Bless your heart".
telling everyone they suck then being surprised when people dont like you is the dumbest shit ever. you guys might be good at basketball but that dont make you likeable.
The first play was a foul, but I guess since they didn’t call it someone had to get credit for something. The second play I don’t see a deflection. Hard to see form that angle, but it looks like the ball was already passed jjj’s arm. The third play was a loose ball so the person who cleared possession should’ve gotten the steal. The fourth play should’ve been a block for the other dude as he clearly deflected the ball first. I don’t finish investigating the video, but there were clearly some home cooking happening here.
I have a habit of watching every 3+ blocks, 3+ steals, 7+ offensive rebounds, 6+ turnovers, 15+ assists on NBA Advanced Stats play-by-play videos almost everyday. You can only see one angle of a play on that video that's why it's really hard to see who touched the ball. There's always questionable plays like when Jackson contested the shot and Bane got the steal, but it never happened twice a game to inflate his stats.
@@Nezsem I'm not sure if that's the right word. I am doing that for years since I discovered that site. That's my way of watching more games because I can't watch all games every night.
so youre just telling me the Memphis block and steal counter is simply goated at his job
Yes
No.
perhaps
he knows ball
Might be interesting to see how opposing teams numbers look when they are at Mem.
Can’t believe NBA reddit started a whole catastrophe🤣
why was it unbelievable ahahahah
Did it tho? Some executive already gave a statement to this and basically dismissed it. If you believe the NBA is actually gonna actively do "something" then I've some property to sell you..
@@Ackshuallymmm the nba debunked it you mean.
@@Ackshuallymmm even tho it's already been disproved the damage is done and there's still going to be dumbasses out there thinking his stats are fake
I hate Reddit. Too many feminists, democrats, and beta male crybabies
Now I want Coach Nick to look at Tim Duncan's infamous game where he supposedly shouldve been credited with 2 more blocks and achieved a quadruple double in the finals
Thank you for posting this. I was looking at the examples in the reddit post and it seemed like they were pretty much correctly called stats for Jaren Jackson Jr. I'm glad I'm not going crazy.
Reminds me of Boston scorekeepers with Rondo assists lol
Why they’d credit him assists he didn’t get?
@@trevor_4 Basically if Rondo passed it to someone and they eventually scored, Rondo got the assist. There were a lot of examples where there were 5+ seconds in between the pass and the shot
@@conehed1138 Oh haha. I’m a Celtics fan and I never heard about that. I believe it though.
@@trevor_4 they even credit him with hockey assist lol
@@kylaurence4771 that's crazy lmao
This just made him look better somehow. Even if the stats were questionable, the fact that JJJ is on every play says a lot about how good he is.
The stats are real, hes just come back with a focus cos he got snubbed for dpoy last year.
@@Seriouslydave cannot be snubbed if you're not even in the ballot
Unless Anthony Edwards and the slim reaper aka J.A.D.E.N are on the floor…💀💀💀💀💀💀💨
@@Seriouslydave Against smart OR McDaniels? For real?? LOL hell no.
He aint good for a lottery pick,dude hasnt been an all star
Lamar Jackson 😂😂😂
Bro that caught me off guard
Counter-conspiracy: scorekeepers are less likely to credit the away team with a good defensive play, ex. they credit blocks as a missed FGA
Oooooooo that’s actually a crazy theory lol
i would say no, imagine getting into such a specific career as that one just to disrespect the game.
No bc jaren is the only one with a disparity this large
@@EricZeBawsit's the Memphis affect, our team specifically gets less credit than anyone else in the NBA
saw this on reddit thanks on the effort to put on the clips
Home cooking IS a staple of southern hospitality 🤔
I would assume the NBA would review every game after the fact to make sure everything was right so I don't even understand why this was a story
Npcs with too much time on their hands
The whole thing is dumb af the team and him play better at home and on the road they don’t it’s so stupid
well your assumption is wrong
@@SuckOnYakuzA no it isn’t. they do.
@@fred-p LMAO the NBA itself has been credited with stat padding. they literally control the official stats.
Even BBALLBREAKDOWN is in on it!! This cover-up goes all the way to the top!!!!!!
It’s all a script for gambling !
As a diehard dubs fan I always like JJJ since he was college, it’s wild to think that someone would pad his stats😂 that man is crazy talented he just gets into foul trouble easily 😂😂
Very easy. I swear he fouls out almost every time he plays us
@@SEANTHEMOST Imagine that
Idk about the statistician in Memphis but Coach Nick is definitely serving up some home cooking in favour of Chicago by calling NY pizza disgusting 🍕🍕🍕
Since I like defensive players, I'm a big fan of JJJ. He reminds me a bit of my favorite player growing up- AK47, who was a defensive menace back in the mid 2000s. He's the only forward to ever average over 3 BPG not in one season but two! Also, the only player ever to finish a season top 4 in Blocks and Steals, as well as all the 5x5 games, 3 in total- 2nd only to Hakeem the Dream. Definitely one of the best defenders ever, with a combination of athleticism, anticipation, positioning, hustle, instinct, etc.
Bobby Jones didn't?? Lol
I imagine youre a big Franz Wagner fan? If not you should definitely watch the Magic in general but especially for him if you loved AK. He shows why he'd be even better in today's League. He wouldn't get as many blocks due to the current offensive style of the NBA. His switchability would be disgusting though and his playmaking and 3pt potential in today's game would be more valued. Guards are becoming bigger but wings and centers are becoming smaller and more fast twitch so 6'10" or taller forwards who can guard 4-5 positions like Jaden McDaniels, JJJ, vintage Ben Simmons, Gianni's, etc are so absurdly valued even compared to older eras.
@@ohishwaddup giannis can't guard 1-3. He's a help defender
@@chauvintookaknee4blm268 For good defenders with lengtht and instinct you're still guarding one of those guys even if they're not squarely in front of you as long as you're on their hip or heels. You're just switching from peremiter to interior defense. You're contesting and altering the shot of an offensive player. It's the same thing Jaren does in the video. Both guys get put on the weakest offensive forward/big and basically play free safety but you don't automatically give up a guaranteed bucket if they're switched onto an offensive threat on the perimeter. You're never gonna see someone that can guard 1-5 be the primary defender of a center or guard any given night but that on a possession basis they give you respectable defense.
@@ohishwaddup except Giannis can't guard anyone lol. He's a help defender. Jackson can guard today's 1-5 and help. Ben Simmons could've guard 1-4
Giannis could never guard perimeter and he had brook and holiday unlike others lol
Hey Coach Nick. I think part of the issue is that the reddit post was not necessarily questioning JJJ's defensive ability, but the potential of betting and gambling being an explanation for why there may be "home cooking" of the stats. With the push and greater presence of gambling in pro sports these days, there's the potential of abuse leading to a gambling scandal. I don't know for sure and haven't done a deep dive, but it would be a valid concern.
This! The push from all these bettings sites with ads and the rise of social media posts of earnings off bets, it’s a huge concern of mine for sports. I know it’s even getting players targeted by fans for not reaching certain over/unders and what not. It’s not a stretch by any means to think a stats keeper is gaining financially from something like this, considering the scandals we’ve had before involved officials.
Exactly! I don’t know why the coach started the video based on the wrong premise/problem.
There's a reddit thread where you can literally see all the blocks he got so far and at max only like 3 are suspect, the guy that made the reddit thread about his numbers being inflated must have a weird agenda against him
😑 the stats are valid… please stop with conspiracy theories that get debunked with in a hour.
He commented on a similar post to this one on this thread. His response was that anything like that would’ve happened years ago and couldn’t happen in todays league, it wouldn’t be allowed to because of exact videos like this. The entire world has replay now and could call any BS if it happened on large scale.
Thank you coach, as a fan of jjj, it's ridiculous that a conspiracy made by nba reddit is hurting his dpoy case (atleast in twitter)
Anyone remembers Nick Van Exel's 23 assist game? The statistician (coincidentally, the Grizzlies', albeit in Vancouver) admitted that he blatantly exaggerated the numbers just because he felt like it. It's no secret that statisticians are "creative" when it comes to the home players.
That was a long time ago, they couldn’t get away with something like that now
@@bballbreakdown remember the refs rigging games? They couldn’t get away with something like that now…….👀
Someone watches Motown Noah 👀
@@bballbreakdown Russell Westbrick's triple double seasons weren't that long ago and it was a farce. I used to check his stats and replays just for laughs. It was exactly the same scenario - his assists were padded like crazy by the home crew. Rajon Rondo? Same thing. Unlike those two I like JJJ, but I wouldn't be surprised if the claim turned out to be true.
@@User45x92 Not really, just old enough to remember the 90s. Should I watch, is it a good channel?
So long as his stats can contribute to winning games he deserves credit for his play hope he can reach his potential healthy
The NYC Pizza comment was out of pocket 😂
one of the weaker def player awarded ever. Showed nothing in playoffs, got destroyed by AD who also blocked everything
You mention that the steal vs Philly should have been awarded to Brooks, but here's how I think the scorerkeeper judged it: Yes, Brooks is obviously making the first deflection, but the ball is still in play due to Tobias Harris being in a similar position to pick it up as JJJ. Jaren then flicks the ball up in the air to take Tobias Harris out of the play, and then secures the position after the ball touches the floor. If Harris hadn't been in-play for the ball, I'm 100% sure Brooks would've been credited with the steal no matter if JJJ or he himself picks it up.
I made the literal same points regarding the 7 plays ''in question'' on the original reddit thread, and even after several notable media-members have gone through ALL stocks in FedExForum, people are still messaging me saying that its fishy due to the discrepancy in home/away games.. Its incredible how much people want to believe in conspiracies. Its simply a statistical anomaly.
When The Block is Hot instrumental came on 😏
*Denzel Face*
I'd like to see you do a Draymond video. He may not be a numbers stuffer like JJJ, but he is the absolute heart and soul of the team's defense.
This video was proving he wasn’t a number stuffer tho
jjj currently is by far a better defender
Thank you for posting this.
Excellent video and a good subject. I didn't expect anything of the titel to be a thing, JJJ has been legit good in all the games I've seen of him.
Legit good!!
It still leaves one question open. If the home/away splits are this extreme, are Memphis scheming differently home vs away? Has he been with different teammates in each subset of games?
Or is this just an incredibly unlikely variance that will revert over time. That one is the easiest to test - just wait for the rest of the season to happen.
I think it's real, but I'd be curious to find out if Memphis thinks there's something they do differently defensively (or offensively) on the road vs home (whether they mean to or not).
@@blackjacktrial Apart from Home teams usually playing better at home (especially young teams, like the Grizzlies are) I think it is mostly a statistical anomaly. If anything, they might use JJJ more in specific situations to guard a certain player more, or flow out to the perimeter, instead of letting him roam more and get more blocks and steals.
I watch all of the Pelicans games and Herb Jones (also a very good defender) always gets way less defensive stats if he's guarding the other team's best player. Not only is it usually harder to steal the ball from those guys, you can also not freely roam or jump passing lanes or hang around the nail (what Herb likes to do) as you are on that player all the time.
Coach Nick you're lucky I didn't click off the video as soon as I heard "disgusting thin crust pizza in New York". Those are fighting words
Let’s go to Chicago for real pizza
Thanks so much for making this video. I really wanted to know if that Reddit post was legit!
scary how many people dont know how steals work
Glad this video was made to strengthen jjj dpoy case
The variance is too crazy for the conspiracy not to have legs. You must be a stupid Memphis fan.
JJJ has that Serge ibaka defense effect
Awesome video coach. Do you think something is wrong with Jabari Smiths jr shot?and what would you recommend he does to fix it
I have no idea about his Jr shot, but his Sr shot is butter.
With the way the league is constructed with stats as a marketing tool for superstars, I'm not surprised if the NBA head office conspires with this. I observed this happening way often with assists where the scorer works his way to score and the passer is still credited for an assist. It's a grey area but the rule changes are definitely helping inflate the stats sheet over the years.
Do a video on the foul calls between lakers and celtics recently. I'm sure a lot of players would watch
Adams has a better def rating and gets less blocks. Lets see if jaren improves or if adams is actually helping jarens case for dpoy, while adams is out for 10 games.
Adams isn’t necessarily a better defender than jjj (in fact, not at all) but what he has that makes his numbers so good is the intimidation factor. It’s the same reason Jjj numbers are so great on the road despite less stocks. Players are terrified of Adams, so they don’t even bother going into wherever he’s going out of fear of getting hurt. The way a lot of defensive metrics work is that if you’re on the floor and points aren’t getting scored wherever you are, you become a + defensively. In fact, I’d wager it’s jjj that helps Adams numbers, bc jjj is eeeeverywhere. He does all the heavy lifting in the paint defensively, so jjj stopping everything that comes into the paint coupled with Adams scaring players away due to his size and strength, it’s no wonder why Adams defensive numbers are so high.
An exemplified version of this was when gobert won DPOY his last two years, his steals and blocks were lower than most centers, and especially lower than his early days. He was barely cooking anything tbh. It’s bc teams didn’t even bother to score in the paint when he was there, which made his defensive metrics off the charts. Same thing is happening w Adams bc of the fear he instills in offensive players (especially smaller ones)
NBA should award two blocks for both teammates who tip the opponents shot at the same time like a sack in football
I only disagree with the ones where he has to save them cuz he doesn’t truly have possession but thank you for making this video to clear things up because many of the clips are just reaching
I hear ya, but the powers that be need to classify those plays somehow
J.J.J doing the dirty work! I love players like him.
Just out of curiosity, When you said, you appreciate a good conspiracy, you showed the picture of the Beatles crossing the road. What’s the conspiracy there?
Supposedly Paul McCartney died and was replaced with a dead ringer before Abbey Road
@@conehed1138 Ah thanks again
The one question I have here is on the interpretation of "controls his deflection". Simply batting the ball isn't really "controlling a deflection".
The NBA rule book provides an example and states the following: On this play, #11 in blue, Monte Morris, is credited with the steal since he deflected the pass in a controlled manner away from the opponent (even though Morris did not control the ball).”
The "controlled manner" part is key. In the first few examples of your video, JJJ didn't deflect the ball in a controlled manner.
Came here to say this.
Grizzlies best defense in the league. Reddit: they're frauds!!!
Thanks for the video coach
Fact is that most of use don't know the rules because there are too many keyboard ballers who've never done a suicide or ran laps for missing free throws. Too many people live vicariously thru YT 😪 😭😭
Do you think Jackson’s high foul count on the road are from blocks and if those blocks are correct calls? Also, someone else queried some of those wrong block calls, then they checked the birds eye view and re credited Jackson with the block. Sorry, I’m not sure who it was.
A young player plays better at home than on the road? Conspiracy!!!!!
0:52 LMAO! you know coach Nick is from Chicago
I wonder what kind of tech you guys are using. Instat? do you have access to more?
U wudve thought we were at a bar in New York the way coach was sending those shots at the pizza
You’re better than using clickbait style titling. With that being said, elite content like always.
As someone who hates blantant, empty clickbait I do not consider the wording Coach used for this video title to be clickbait. It's literally the exact question in the minds of the basketball casuals and therefore best suited to describe the video's topic. It indicates to them that it is the video they need to watch to better understand the topic at hand.
Nba reddit 🔥 🔥! Lets go
The block is hot instrumental❤🔥! NICE ONE🔥🥵♨🎶🎵
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I’m so embarrassed I didn’t see that ending coming 😂😂
Thank you sir. A lot of unwarranted hate for the Grizz. I'm sure most Warrior and Laker fans were creamin when they saw the story first. JJJ and Stevo have been a wall
This is a great breakdown. Great video coach
Coach how you not give claxton any credit for his DPOY year
The song choice deserves a like in itself
A1 vid. Especially music choice
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Brace yourselves, folks. Time for my Preventions metric to weigh in on the JJJ conspiracy. For those unfamiliar, it is a metric I created that deals with stats that don't show up on the box score by examining what the defensive act prevented: a full possession, an assist, or points. I've picked out three plays that I felt were interesting to me:
2:03 - I thought Olynyk was going for a nutmeg. Jackson going behind Tillman for an unintentional defensive screen fooled Olynyk into thinking Vanderbilt was already at the rim for a dunk, when he was clearly not. The credit here would be "1 AST - 1 STL - Jackson,Tillman(H)," with Tillman getting a help credit for the "false screen."
2:29 - Instead of figuring out who gets the block, I'd ask myself "who helped." In a Shot Block Prevention where two players are involved, the helper in the play is the teammate who bodies up the shooter as a deterrent, puts their arms up as a failsafe, or secures the ball after the block for a rebound. Clarke was the first to act on Lee's scoring attempt and assumed position; Lee acknowledged Clarke as his primary defender. But then Jackson gets his blocking hand up first before Clarke's, superseding Clarke's Prevention credit. This was a play that would have taken me more than 5 minutes to decide on the helper, and even slowing down the video to 25% speed produced a nearly inconclusive result. I'll side with the box score keepers and credit this as "1 DELAY - 1 BLK - Jackson,Clarke(H)." Why delay? This play was called out of bounds on Grizzlies; Suns retained possession.
3:04 - This is a classic Assist-Steal, Jackson breaking up a pass that would have led to a Stewart corner 3, and an assist for Ivey had he not played defense. But instead, Jackson inadvertently saves the ball (and possession) back to Stewart. Baseball has a nifty stat called an Error to track down fielding mistakes that may result in more time for the batter, adding runners at base, or scoring unearned runs - this is one of those moments. Jackson would have had a "1 AST - 1 STL" credit, but for the purposes of my metric that credit is lost and is instead replaced with the "ERROR" label. Yep, even basketball makes mistakes.
I was hoping to see a Shot Steal in this video, which is where a defender strips the ball away from the scorer before they can complete their shooting motion/attempt. Those are one of the rarest, if not one of my favorite types of defensive plays to analyze, but they weren't present here. Still, another nice video from Coach Nick that goes over plays that have a profound effect on the game, regardless of how invisible that one tally is.
Love the shot you took at thin pizza
the ads transition never dissapoint 😭🤣
Cant believe you used the beat of "the block is hot"
Fun idea for down the line but could you do a video where you list the best landing place for Wenbenyama or Scoot Henderson??
This is one of the funniest conspiracies and it's blown up lmao I love it
And at the end of the day it really just amounts to a bunch of lazy, ignorant people exposing themselves as such. Sad. 🙄😆
NY Pizza is THE pizza. There will be no NY pizza slander
Facts
Tried it, was meh. Not worth the price. Coulnt give it away in europe
As someone from Philly, who has similar type of pizza, i have thought of it as nasty before, and i have thought of it tasty af before
2:47 bro forgot what sport we were talking about 😂
If anything, this whole ordeal has shown how elite of a defender Jaren is and boosted his DPOY case
Talk about the clippers
They’re next!
Giving the people what they want I see thanks coach!
what about them?
I don't know how anyone who watched those clips agreed with the steals not being legit... the blocks i can usually understand because it's tough to see. But, deflections and steals are pretty straight forward.
If it’s not thin it’s not pizza
THANK YOU!
what about a video about Bam Adebayo being the best defender for the past 3 seaons???
bruh not a Grizz fan but defense is the hardest and the most unpredictable part in playing basketball just give the man his due to all his effort, as long as his team benefit it he deserves all/his team the credit, it doesnt matter who the steals or blocks stats went into, he just plays hard to win.
Thanks for clearing the name. it's ridiculous conspiracy.
Here after Am Hoops vid on it 😂
So apparently Memphis has the best stat-keeper in the game. That's what I got from your takes. 5 examples out of how many plays??
edit: there it is, the commercial.
Stay mad
Not to be that guy, but I feel like the more grammatically correct way to title this video would have been "Are Jaren Jackson Jr's Defensive Stats Fraudulent??"
Lmfao, you are absolutely correct and I went back and forth about whether to use the grammatically correct way and felt like it worked better for RUclips titling the way I did it
@@bballbreakdown Lolol no problem coach, great video either way. I'm glad to see you out here dispelling these fraudulent NBA reddit myths 😉
That BBQ in Memphis has that SPECIAL SAUCE. Lol
Can you explain why these stats occur 100% more at home vs road? Thanks
young player who got fired up more at home ?
in this case i think its even higher grizz have a lot of energy at home
I'd love a video about all these sus end of game calls the lakers have been getting and just how bad refs are at calling fouls
I looked at a few from the Reddit post and some of them seemed a bit off.
Unpopular opinion. Jackson should be the main guy of grizzlies, not Ja
No lmao, dude can barely stay in games sometimes with all that fouling and he's significantly worse on offense
So what happens is, the nba checks every block and steal after the fact. And if a they find that one of the blocks was actually a foul, they’ll even take away the block retroactively. So he’s clearly deserving of his home blocks and steals, but here’s my thing. What about on the road? How do we know he’s not being shorted on blocks and steals during away games? The nba doesn’t go back to check uncredited plays, only credited ones. That would take way more effort to check out since you’d have to just rewatch all his minutes with that in mind but it seems it would be pretty easy to get away with. Seems to me that idea has more merit than that dumb Reddit one, especially when all the data + video is available to everyone.
Dude just threw a jab at SF and NY 🤣
From a NY native, he did not. He's allowed to air his opinion on our pizza. I lost respect for him as a person, but hey, he's a Midwestern basketball nerd who probably sustained himself on TV dinners. Not everybody knows about good food
@@Idontwannahandl Nah to be fair Midwestern sounds like some bbq like some big hearty dishes, im from Philly so when he said i almost felt some type of way lol, our Pizza thin too, tho i can say sometimes it is nasty (us not Ny)...ppl prob love that thik type pizza (with good bread) outside of of the East...ppl throw away the crust here
im from mass and hate everything ny but coach was definitely on something
@@Idontwannahandl You lost respect for him as a person because he doesn't like a regional style of pizza?
One of my favorite players, once he gets that offense right he'll be a top 25 player
After years of playing fantasy and watching the games, the 'deflector' almost never gets credit for the steal.. its the person who ends up with the ball unless its obvious that the deflection was controlled. There is clear favoritism at the very least.
Thank you
This video just showed me how flawed the steal system is
Who is saying his defense is a fraud???
people dont like the grizz mane
I immediately got triggered when you said NY pizza was disgusting. The Knicks are terrible and the Nets are full of drama but Joe's Pizza is our saving grace! 😂
Now Reddit scrutinize the NBA officials. 😂
Can't be a DPOY if you can't even stay on the court to help your team win 🤷🏻
What did thin pizza ever do to you bro
Didn't think i wud see you shill for JJJ but here we are
I mean our BBQ is fire.. ever heard of homecourt advantage? Everyone on the Griz dick these days, kindly hop off. Who ever made that reddit post "Bless your heart".
telling everyone they suck then being surprised when people dont like you is the dumbest shit ever. you guys might be good at basketball but that dont make you likeable.
The first play was a foul, but I guess since they didn’t call it someone had to get credit for something. The second play I don’t see a deflection. Hard to see form that angle, but it looks like the ball was already passed jjj’s arm. The third play was a loose ball so the person who cleared possession should’ve gotten the steal. The fourth play should’ve been a block for the other dude as he clearly deflected the ball first. I don’t finish investigating the video, but there were clearly some home cooking happening here.
I have a habit of watching every 3+ blocks, 3+ steals, 7+ offensive rebounds, 6+ turnovers, 15+ assists on NBA Advanced Stats play-by-play videos almost everyday. You can only see one angle of a play on that video that's why it's really hard to see who touched the ball. There's always questionable plays like when Jackson contested the shot and Bane got the steal, but it never happened twice a game to inflate his stats.
But uh....why the habit?
@@Nezsem I'm not sure if that's the right word. I am doing that for years since I discovered that site. That's my way of watching more games because I can't watch all games every night.
@@nofuture_at_all ahh I see. The word you're looking for is "hobby" 🙂
Lmao thank you, you could play 2k23 for 20mins and learn these rules, people just on the Hate Memphis train right now lol
We NEED a video on the ending of the lakers vs Celtics game. With Ronnie would be even better
No, not really. The refs missed the call. That's it. The Association said as much in the L2M report.
“Lamar Jackson drops the pass”😂
Imagine JJJ woke up that morning and saw his name trending on Twitter for no reason.