Ice Type Pokémon in RBY
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2023
- Been a while since I looked at an individual type in RBY, but today we're taking a look all five Ice type mons in the first generation of Pokémon! The Ice type has had it notoriously rough over the years, but does that necessarily apply to their debut generation?
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There was a post on r/stunfisk recently about "what pokemon would be craziest to backport to an earlier generation" and it turns out that Regice in Gen 1 is one of the best answers.
200 base special goes kinda crazy
@@shirshobanerjee7751who needs Amnesia when you already get 200 Special
deoxys attack would also be crazy
200 base Special is a bigger war crime than Red/Green Blizzard.
@@glitchedoom and it gets stab blizzard for good measure
Big Yellow is dreading the day where they run out of types to do a video on and have to deal with talking about every RBY poison type in the game
I mean it's manageable there's 13 fully evolved poison types to cover and most would have already been covered before making them easier to skim over
Actually, Vaporeon learns the most ice type moves in gen 1 as a reference to the fact that in terms of water based Pokémon, Vaporeon is the most cool.
Gamefreak: *Shows off Avalugg*
This is a bulky, slow as fuck Ice type!
The fandom: Gamefreak, this is the 7th time you've brought a shitty Ice type to class
"this is actually a creative choice by the RBY team, referencing the fact that if you leave a child out in the snow and ice it will die" made me almost snort root beer up my nose
Goated username reference. Shoutout to KungFuCutman
So they don't like the snow... lol
why are you drinking root beer with your nose
Jumping back and forth through your videos by literally just a year and seeing you pre-and-post-yassification is so jarring like i keep swinging between "yes sir you're absolutely correct" and "YES QUEEN YOU'RE SO RIGHT!"
i can not stress enough how much i adore the sprite expressions, mildly upset lapras and worried gengar are a treasure.
My personal favourite bits are the nicknames for the mons. It's such a small and insignificant part of the video but it always puts a smile on my face
Gengar going ._. Is priceless
@@werisekk3YOU HAVE CUNO
disappointed cloyster made my day
Scared jinx is my favorite
I can't believe you forgot to bring up that Ice Punch offers Hitmonchan an unboosted 6-hit K.O. against the 7U Anti-Meta threat of Venonat
sometimes
It’s hilarious seeing the words “threat” and “Venonat” being used together in the same sentence.
@@uniatrix You're right
He's too much of a gentleman to harm anybody
Except maybe that rapscallion Meowth
sometimes
I did legitimately use Venonat in a challenge run.
Unbound Insane, Monobug LC. Venonat was the only thing that got Skill Swap in time for Gym 3 to get Aerilate off of Mega Pinsir.
@@DoctorSpacebar I fell in love with Venonat after using him in a LC Draft League
He did a lot for my team for a pokemon worth so little points, being second in usefulness to my Bulk Up Crabrawler
"This was a creative Choice from the RBY team. Cause is you leave a baby out a child out in the snow and ice, it will die." - Big Yellow 2023
As an aside, the reason Haze is an Ice move is because of Dragon Quest! In DQ3, the final boss has an attack later called Disruptive Wave, which is described as chilling air, and resets all stat changes.
Disruptive Wave is in DQ9 as well.
It also may be ice because in Japanese it's just called "black mist" which mist is ice
@@bobjoe3492 Like the Japanese word for ice is also the word for mist? Not sure what this means
@@tatherva7387 By definition, mist can be made up of ice crystals as well as water vapor.
Also, while Haze is "Black Mist", Mist is "White Mist", so the moves are kind of counterparts to each other.
@@Leet-iz2fz I guess I could see that. The technical definition seems like a stretch but the explanation of the Japanese names makes sense with the White Mist and Black Mist thing so I get that part. Reading it again I think they just meant that the move Mist is ice, not some deep galaxy brain introspection on the nature of water in its various states of matter like I originally read it lol
As a Dewgong enthusiast, seeing Dewgong excel quite well in RBY UU and proceeding to just get told "no" after gen 1, while sad foe me, is also hilarious at the same time.
dewgong is one of the best pokemon in gsc nu, so thats cool.
I'm a dewgong enthusiast mostly because I love basic pokemon. With no special traits, nothing notable about them, nothing.
Dewgang
Heyy. It’s good in stadium 2
I was going to say the same! It is a monster in Stadium 2 Rentals!
I love all the little sprite edits. It’s such a small yet fun detail, and I really think it adds a lot.
Huge agree. I wouldn't have held it against them at all if they had just used text and pngs for those jokes, and they often do anyway, but the little changes in facial expression and stuff like that adds so much and helps give these videos a unique feel
Makes me laugh like crazy everytime xD
also i'm glad she finally started using the sw97 sprites, they fuck severely
i thought i was going crazy until i really paid attention to the eyes and realized they were indeed actually changing
Was just about to comment this, they make me smile a lot
Gen 9 did buff ice types a lot with how snow works and with a lot of good ice types but
its really telling how the biggest gen 9 buff for ice types is allowing ice types to transform into not ice types...
ice types into tera-water or fairy or steel means they get to be a type that doesnt suck defensively while also keeping their ice type stab and gaining a new stab
Snow also helped.
Like, it was genuinely part of why Baxcalibur went to Ubers if I recall.
Something someone I knew noticed about Snow early on in gen 9 was that
Snow buffs ice types, and it’s a step up from hail teams, but it doesn’t buff mono ice. Particularly the best snow setting move was given to slowking of all mons and the only snow warning mon we got was snowbama which is uhhhh ouch.
I don’t know how much this changes things but I thought it was pretty notable
@@SomeAsian mostly due to aurora veil from a-ninetails in combination with bax. If snow had worked like prior gens instead of giving a defense boost, bax still would have gone to ubers for sure, but may have taken longer to do so. Obviously, with the new snow defensive buff and Aurora veil, bax was genuinely unbreakable on the physical side.
@@SomeAsian Yep, Baxcalibur got scale shot which has amazing chemistry with the loaded dice item (since baxcalibur also has icicle spear, it has 2 quazi-skill-shot mulit-attacks that play into its stab)
that, combined with the re-introduction of alolan ninetails with snow warning and arguably the move with the most busted effect ever, aurora veil, coming back, baxcalibur with scale shot now has what can usually be a 250% defense and 200% sp. def. pokemon with already okay bulk, which means the defense drop of scale drop barely matters, and its just a stab dragon 4-5 hit move that also raises speed on a pseudo-legendary
So, yeah, ubers
@@mainzer45In addition to that, Baxcalibur also, for some Arceus-forsaken reason, got *Scale Shot* from DLC1...when Loaded Dice was already one of its best items and when it could easily forego Leftovers despite Gen 09 being hazards hell due to Ice Body + Snow's defense buff (+ Slowking & Glowking's free pivoting via Chilly Reception).
DLC1 really was just a perfect (hail)storm of various factors for it since it was already bordering on Ubers even beforehand.
That mildly agitated Lapras sprite resonates with me on a spiritual level.
Something that wasn't mentioned in the video is that in Generation 1, outside of Multiplayer, Haze also resets your Pokemon's Badge Boosts. How this works is during Single Player, when you beat Brock, Surge, Koga, and Blaine, their badges will give you a 12.5% boost to Attack, Defense, Speed, and Special respectively. However, the only time this is ever really applicable is if Agatha's Golbat ever uses the move.
is it a permanent reset or only for the battle? asking because gen 1 is gen 1
@@tomatomanpan647 You can fix this issue by just switching out the Pokemon. The badge boosts will be re-applied.
has this ever been a problem for anyone other than jrose's solo pokemon challenges
@@brasilballs honestly he’s probably the one who discovered it if I had to guess, wouldn’t be the first time he has
I know this isn't the first time you've brought it up, but...
I thought I was insane for 23 years. I never could find any footage of... the foot. I remember a Jynx using Mega Kick against me once (I think it was because of Metronome or something), and, yeah, that animation kinda threw me for a loop. Like... did I just IMAGINE Jynx breaking out a completely unknown, and never seen again, foot animation, or was someone at Gamefreak really THAT deranged to have programmed it?
So, you talking about... THAT, unlocked a core memory for me. I couldn't even remember what it looked like until you showed it.
Speaking of Articuno having a limited movepool, I found out recently that when you catch it in RBY, it exclusively has Peck and Ice Beam. It learns Blizzard the next level, then Agility and Mist. All of the birbs have the same really fucking tiny level up movepool, it’s hilarious.
Zapdos getting Drill Peck and not the other two is criminal. Also, the fact that Moltres can't learn Flamethrower.
Moltres getting Leer instead of Flamethrower because someone at Game Freak typed in the wrong number will always be the funniest thing.
@@glitchedoom wait is that true
@@calvin8857 Yeah, the hex value of Leer is one away from Flamethrower, they used the wrong number.
Wake up babe, Big Yellow just posted another informative, life-changing video
Literally what I thought when I saw the thumbnail while preheating pizza 😂
Excuse me Big Yellow choice band salamence my sister.
Shittt if only I had a gf that also played competitive pokemon
@@liamthecrusader5056It’s not too late to introduce her to it
@@GoldGuard oh I don’t even have one lol
Kind of a random observation, but I can’t express how much I love it when you alter the expressions of the pokemon sprites based on how well they’re doing in combat (like how they look sad/frustrated when they’re doing badly).
It’s so charming and maintains their cartoony vibe.
It also reminds me of how units in modern Fire Emblem games do the same, even if it’s probably a coincidence haha
Can't believe you didn't talk about jynx ruling 1997 Nintendo cup, a format with 30% freeze on blizzard and legal evasion moves, in a bring 6 pick 3 format, with its fast sleep and blizzards potentially koing 2 pokemon. Lapras is right behind it in viability as the 2nd best mon in the tier, as jynxs best answer and a blizzard enjoyer, and if you run rest double team you can do that to a friend who has never played pokemon before but thought they could just make a bet with you about beating you on pokemon and have a chance to win because har har rng format
Get outbrained Johnny
It is also worth mentioning that aside from Jynx, all Ice types were gutted by the Special split in gen 2. Especially Dewgong, whose offensive presence became very pathetic. And I also wish Articuno got 125 Satk like Zapdos/Moltres (he'd still have the highest sdef).
5:15 gen 7 was the start of the Ice type getting better, as they started making hail more like sand, including making Slush rush essentially, swift swim in hail. Auroua veil and also giving many ice types stat buffs and increasing the availability of snow warning
Hail was legit the best weather in gen 8 ou for a while. Arctozolt and alolan ninetales went hard
Don't forget GMax Lapras setting up Aurora Veil for free
I also gotta point that Hail was actually dominant in DPP UU and resulted in Abomasnow and Froslass getting banned (and is still decently viable with Snover)
They also started making busted ice types
Like chien pao is weavile from almost any ability but with higher stats, bax has not only a ridiculous attack but an enormous dragon stab and every boosting move it could wish for, mecha santa has the best stab combo to ever exist thanks to freeze dry and was the fastest pokemon in the tier when it was free
And last gen they just gave busted moves to already good pokemon, regular kyurem always had some insane stats but with freeze dry to break waters and dd and icicle spear to finally make use of its high attack it managed to get graduated from ou and weavile did just get a 120 bp ice stab
@@ultrayoshi100not sure how gf thought that would be fair. Luckily d-max was banned in singles so only vgc had to deal with it
Notably, despite the Ice type being a glass cannon type, Ice types tend to trend towards slow and bulky for some reason, and that's deeply strange to me.
Glaciers are slow. That’s why
@@Skullhawk13a glacier isn't going to explode into a million billion pieces if you punch it
@@slimestudios9748 I didn't say it made total sense, I just explained the reasoning. I think it's stupid Ice types are mostly mighty glaciers or walls when they're built to be glass canons.
They do the same shit with Rock types, who are also very obviously offensively focused given their weaknesses and things they hit SE.
The fact that some types are designed to be offensive threats (rock/ice are particularly outrageous in this case) while having a good bit of slow, bulky members in their rank is really silly. I get that buffing the offense of ice types would be bad for the overall balance. Please though, boost their defensive side then. Make it neutral or even resistant to fire (ice is just cold water after all), resist water and bug (if that’s even relevant for the latter lmao), just please, do something about that.
I would also like it if Fairies were weaker defensively and if Steel were weaker offensively, but that’s just me. Some types really aren’t properly balanced and it’s sad. Ice deserves so much better than just 5 turns of +50% defence.
04:45 Somehow learning this about the Ice type (and the Fairy type) feels like the wildest thing in this video even after just being reminded what absolute trash Gen 03 Hail was. Things like this make me still surprised the Snow buff _finally_ exists.
(Hilariously, the tidbit about Gen 03 Hail just led me to confirm for myself that in addition to that, Weather Ball was also *exclusive* Castform in that gen. Gods, Game Freak, why are you like this?)
i mean, the weather ball thing ain't that weird, considering it blatantly just exists so that castform can use its type-changing gimmick offensively. it's kinda like asking why judgement, techno blast, and multi-attack are exclusive to their respective pokemon, 'cept weather ball is a lot less tricky to give to other pokemon thanks to relying on a general mechanic instead of one that's fully pokemon-specific
hell, funnily enough, terrain pulse has actually become a _reverse_ weather ball, owing to the fact that no pokemon learned it naturally prior to the smoliv line introduced in the same generation that move tutors stopped offering it. which is ... genuinely a whole lot more "gamefreak why" than the weather ball thing, considering the line's whole interaction with terrain is a. learning grassy terrain and b. arborliva getting the ability to set grassy terrain when hit, so terrain pulse basically just exists as 100 power stab move that you have to do a varying degree of set up to utilize ... on a pokemon that gets energy ball, petal dance, leaf storm, and, hell, if you're wanting a set up-reliant move in particular, the ol' classic of solar beam
and, uh, petal blizzard and solar blade. for those who want to take full advantage of arborliva's very nice 69 base attack
@@hi-i-am-atan Yeah, Terrain Pulse is definitely the far more "What? Why?!" move for the reasons you say. My lament about Gen 03 Weather Ball was more about its exclusivity making Gen 03 Hail even worse than already was acknowledged to be in this video, which is saying something. That and lamenting it being stuck on Castform as insult to injury, a mon unfortunately so crappy even in its own gimmick that said gimmick doesn't even work with one entire weather, Sand,...which also ended up being the most dominant weather in the entire gen. (Unsurprising given it was the only weather with a weather-setting ability given to a non-legendary mon. All hail Gen 03 Tyranitar but, you know, with sand.)
Additionally, as weird as Terrain Pulse is, Arboliva is at least still a weirdly decent and good mon even after Rillaboom's return and can make good use of it. Castform couldn't even be decent in its debut generation and has only gotten far worse with all of the power creep
@@MusicoftheDamned alas, poor castform. i have to wonder if being introduced a single generation later could've given it a better fate, considering the only reason i can imagine for its perfectly balanced stats is so that it could pretend to leverage base weather ball, stuck as it was being a physical move due to gen 3's mechanics
no, i'm not even gonna pretend to imagine rock weather ball entering the devs' minds once while designing castform, since, y'know
it's just kinda unfortunate. thing's clearly meant to be an adaptable special attacker with some real solid elemental coverage, and ... yeah, that's what it is. that's what it is, except its stat spread is yes and it does not remotely have the bst to do anything with that. it's one of the pokemon that would benefit the most from gamefreak finally allowing themselves to do full base stat reworks, because that's the singular thing holding its concept back
On top of all the sprite edits, I absolutely adored Chansey at the blackboard. Definitely a visual I’d love to see return.
It’s really cool that at least 1 of the 4 final boss types actually managed to live up to its own hype in competitive play. Fighting, ghost, and dragon just don’t have enough going on to be considered final bosses, even in casual play.
For a lot of single-Pokémon runs, Lorelei is actually the most difficult member of the Elite 4 to beat, which is impressive given that Lance spams hyper beam and Agatha runs any single mon through like 5-15 chances to get haxxed to death.
I really love the sprite edits in this video. They're super on point and add a ton of character.
i find it annoying how they always just make ice types defensive like they just do it to the point that they probably don't get how terrible being a defensive ice type is but also I'm glad gen 9 actually did something for the ice type
no more hail but snow boosts your... defense (I think?) which makes ice types who are offensive but kinda struggle surviving a hit do more stuff.
Snow boosts defense, yeah. And still works with Aurora Veil.
Granted this has opened up a different problem of Pokemon being hideously overpowered with Alolatales' support. (See Baxcalibur which literally becomes unstoppable thanks to snow/veil's buffs and also getting a damaging speed increasing move while also _being immune to burn._ Silly nonsense.)
They do the same thing with rock types despite them being in a similar situation of being more of a glass cannon type,
Made even worse by all the bulky ground/rock which have TWO 4x weaknesses to 2 common types and as a cherry on Most rock types have sturdy which will only help getting off one move before your defensively focused mon get out sped and dies next turn.
@@DMSwordsmaster i played around with an alolatales/bax/chien-pao core for a bit in VGC, it was fun. Bax is a menace if it gets a SD off. Not busted like it is in singles though
My least favorite fact about the ice type to illustrate how dirty they have been done by game freak.
Ice is clearly designed as a glass cannon type, with a preference for special attackers. We did not get a single ice type with over 100 in both special attack and speed until gen 9 with iron bundle (excluding type changing mon like arceus and greninja of course)
Ice on the type chart wants to be a glass cannon, but they keep giving it slow bulky pokémon that can’t use that bulk because ice is such a bad defensive typing.
I had no idea that's absolutely disgusting I'm ngl
Meat riding aside Pokemon vids from you are some of the absolute best, sometimes I might re-watch them while waiting for the next.
Totally. Yellow was the reason I even got into Pokemon. I'll never not appreciate that
Elon went gay hes not good anymore
@@Jeff_Biden...what?
@@slimestudios9748 big yellow looks like elon
Once I read that Ice was, in principle, a counter - version of Dragon type (instead of having 4 resistances and only being super efective to his own type, it was weak to 4 types and resisted only itself). Thing is that currently that doesn't hold up too much since Fairy exist as a better version of it 😅😅😅
Besides, realistically Ice should resist a lot more of types but oh well. At least we got snow
11:32 I love how afraid Jynx looks of Hitmomchan here. Hitmonchan's all like "Yeah, you see this, you clowns? This is what happens when you take 22 of my Ice Punches. And you best believe there's a whole 2 more where that came from!" And Jynx is just playing along 'cause she doesn't wanna hurt his feelings.
One interesting thing about ice types in generation 8 is that hail teams were actually viable due to the existence of A-Ninetales and Slush Rush Arctozolt. It also had the first pure-ice type ubers in galarian darmanitan (and technically Kyurem-black which was buffed to uber level in that generation)
Jynx's unique traits and typing are why it remains my fav Gen 1 mon. It's seemingly so one note, yet has so many traits that come together to form a glass cannon with utility. I like playing around it's threat values to get an upper hand in games. You were right on conservative play with her, it can reap so many rewards. I personally run Sub on mine to catch the threat of a sleep move leading to a switch. Truly the most fun Psychic mon and Ice mon by far!
Ironically Gen 9's Ice glowup is partly due to a non-Ice type. Slowking got a new signature move called Chilly Reception where it tells such a bad joke that it starts snowing before Slowking switches out. Having a slow switch on a Pokemon with Regenerator is incredible by itself, but bringing in Snow makes Baxcalibur a monster and buffs anything running Blizzard on top of taking away any opposing weather.
The evolution of your looks over every video is magnificent.
love that you are using gen 1 and 2 sprites, that gsc gengar smug looks amazing like he IS ready to do mischief or smth
I always love your little sprite work animations. They add so much character and cuteness to your videos :)
Indeed! Jynx's pissed face is just hilarious!
It's interesting to note how the issue of Ice types, the most offensive type in the game, almost exclusively getting defensive pokemon only started in gen 2, once the special split happened.
You'd think Ice types would've ended up on the offensive end of the split that psychics ended up on, due to their similarities, but instead it ended up on the same end as Blissy and Tauros, defensively.
It's a strange decision to make, especially after doubling its resistances and giving it not just a weakness, but a weakness with priority that hit its lower defense.
One has to wonder just how different our perception of ice types would be if even just those original five Ice types were made offensive, and all the same others stayed the same.
What would happen to Dewgong? Would it no longer be the scientifically proven most forgotten of the Original 151, despite having an even more similar same to a real animal then fuckin *Seel?*
Mamoswine might not have done too much in gen 4 OU, but it pulled in some real work in gen 5 tbf.
Mamoswine did a lot in Gen 4 OU, but time wore it down. Platinum made a lot of threats a lot stronger and made a hard counter to it strong and HGSS added to that, and a lot of the things it was good against got banned. It's OU by technicality now, sure, but unlike Electivire (which was OU by technicality back in fucking DP and everyone knew it) it actually had the history to justify that position.
Shellder/Cloyster were my favorites growing up because I loved how unique them gaining the Ice type later on felt. Also Shellder is an adorable little guy
I'm aware ninetales wasn't in this video but its incredibly based that he names ninetales nine inch tails
good reference I thoroughly enjoy
had me happy the same way as seeing a nine inch nails reference in BTD5 / Bloons Monkey city
Fun fact, it's really hard to teach Vaporeon both Mist and Haze in gen 1. It only wants to learn one move per level, and it learns both at the same time. The only way to learn both without trading to gen 2 is to leave Vaporeon in the daycare and level it up to that level there
I think a video about how Snorlax changed from gen 1 to gen 2 to become the monster it is would be a cool idea. Great video as always!
Plague von Karma has a great video about that, if you haven't seen it already. It's called "Why was Snorlax buffed in gen 2?" or something like that, if you want to find it easily
I really miss the old Fighting game garbage videos and would love to maybe see an updated version of that format.
I would also love to see a video on the Street Fighter Alphas 2 and 3. They have some really cool mechanics like custom combos, different isms as well as a huge roster for the time.
Love the videos please keep them up ❤❤❤❤
I do wanna revisit that style soon, I've been meaning to do it for a while but haven't had anything click, I will get to it though, just not sure how or what game
Honestly same. It was actually the video on... Either Melee Kirby or Melee Ness that got me into this channel in the first place.
I've stuck around because you still make great stuff and you're just really funny, but it's still a little bit sad that the series that got me into this channel is just kind of dead.
@@BigYellowSillyI feel like Alpha 3 R Mika would be a great pick for fighting game garbage. She is considered one of (if not) the worst characters in the game with a lot of issues holding her back but despite this due to having access to things like V ism she is able to do major damage and elaviate some of her weaknesses.
You could also make a lot of comparisons between Alpha 3 and sf5 due to her being significantly better (I haven’t played much sf5 so I am not too familiar with her in that game though)
One thing to note about Ice is that ice has some super janky OP things about it
1. Blizzard resist without a Thunderbolt weakness (only matters for jynx sadly)
2. immunity to freezehax (extremely important in cart not nearly as much in non-cart)
3. Blizzard STAB is actually good
This makes ice a better type than water but since so many ice types are part water it doesn't matter much.
also jynx with counter suffers from exactly 1 weird issue, Jynx is too bulky to actually consitently OHKO tauros after a body slam :(
it's actually a good option IMO because the 4th moveslot is kinda a meme on jynx so might as well randomly have a good tauros matchup
I've been expecting this episode for months! I've been researching RBY's game design as its completely different to the other Pokemon games. I have some notes, but keep in mind that "Battlemagic trio" refers to fire, ice and electric as while being special types, they are also common in most RPGs.
-It seems that RBY treats Ice as a variant of Water as the only non-water ice types are Articuno to keep with its bird/battlemagic trio theme and Jynx, who gets the psychic type to help buff it against the other ones of the punching trio (Electabuzz and Magmar) Another variant type is the rock type as a variant of ground bar the fossils.
-Vaporeon seems to have been designed to complete the battlemagic trio, but lost its ice type to make it the defensive one in the trio.
-Ice is the only one of the battlemagic trio that does not have a 40 base power move. It is an exclusively high-power type.
It's worth noting that Ice was almost certainly a late addition to the game along with Rock, breaking off from Water type. So it kinda makes sense it feels a little unfinished and always has
That explains why it would have felt unfinished in Gen 1, but not why they took so long to bother trying to finish it
"almost"? Do you have a source? Because it's hard to believe when one of the legendaries is ice, as well as an elite four member, and the first gym is rock
Source: I made it up
@@JagGentlemann They split off from Water and Ground respectively - Articuno would have originally been Water/Flying, and Brock would have been a Ground type leader (Giovanni was originally Flying or possibly even Bird, we have an early version of his team in the leak and even in the final his badge is a feather). The biggest smoking gun is the internal order of types used for determining physical or special - Ice and Rock are right at the end, just above Bug, Ghost, and Dragon, which definitely make sense as last-minute additions (Bug largely because most of the Pokemon that have it also have a second type - the exceptions are the Caterpie line, which are the last Bug types in the internal order and probably made after the type being created, and Pinsir, which you can easily imagine being Fighting type originally). More circumstantially, there was a clear trend towards fire/electric/[water/ice] trios in development that was obscured by both the Water and Ice split and the fact that a couple of the third members got cut. Only Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres and Flareon/Jolteon/Vaporeon survived completely unscathed, and to a lesser extent Electabuzz/Magmar/Jynx - there was a cut yeti Pokemon that had a stronger connection to Electabuzz and Magmar. In addition to that, Goldeen, Ponyta, and Kotora from the leak (Electric type based on its reappearance in the more-complete Gold beta leak) are all next to each other in the internal order, as are Vulpix, Pikachu, and a cut two-stage line of sumo wrestling frogs (almost definitely Water type).
Personally, my guess is the split happened largely because of Articuno - it just felt weird for this obviously ice-themed bird to resist fire, and there were probably already moves like Blizzard and Mist using the Water type that were easy to switch over.
@@porygonlover322go off king
The Japanese version of blizzard in Red and Green is quite possibly the best pokemon move of all time, ignoring stuff like Z or Max moves
Honestly there's a fair arguement that blizzard is better than those even. It's using better sheer cold and 90% accurate blizzard at the same time.
@@SPZ-gv2on there's an argument to be made there for sure... But a 140 BP move that boosts your speed... It would have tough competition there
Every pokemon video by Big Yellow is an instant watch
Time to run Machamp in OU, you have to exploit that 0.1%
I love Dewgong so much. He's so cute and I love that he has a resting :3 face
Absolutely love the sprite edits. Especially mildly irritated Lapras.
The edits to the sprites in these videos always make me smile. The smug Dewgong and teacher Chansey are standouts to me.
I need you to understand that, on top of the 6:57 bit being delivered absolutely perfectly, the Super Mario Sunshine death SFX is absolutely sending me. Beautiful comedy, great stuff as always :)
As a fan of Ice types, this is the video I was hoping for. Thank you, Big Yellow.
As a fan of Big Yellow, this is the video I was hoping for. Thank you, ice types (for giving BY another topic)
Elon went gay stop being a fan of him
@@Jeff_Bidenwhat is blud waffling about?
1) Love the Castlevania music.
2) I feel like saying a mon struggles against Chansey isn't entirely fair. Set depending, Chansey is just a beast.
I feel like Detective Badd’s theme is so fitting for Cloyster
Ice type in G1 has always been really strange to me. A type that was designed to be almost completely offensive with no defensive capabilities has a physical tank, a bulky slow lapras that just tries to exist, a special attacking flying legendary that is slower than a whole lot of Pokémon that look like it should be faster than, and you know... Dewgong. Only Jynx really lives up to the philosophy of the Ice Type Design in G1 and a lot of people dislike it. Also I was today years old when I learned that sheer cold wasn't in Gen I.
It's so cool that every type has had at least one generation where they were good or at least decent, even the most historically underwhelming types.
Ice has Gen 1 & 9, Normal has Gen 1 & 2, Poison has Gen 8 and maybe 7, Rock has Gen 3, Bug has
bug has gen 5 w Scizor and Volcarona
damn, Nintendo ninjas killed this commenter before they could reveal the massive buff to Bug coming in gen 10
Volcarona, Genesect, Scizor and Scollipede in gen 5
DANG YOUR HAIR LOOKS SO NICE
I wish mine looked like that, i was born with metal strings as hair lmfao
Here's a way of understanding of why Red/Green Blizzard's 30% Freeze chance was so busted - it was basically a better Guillotine/Horn Drill/Fissure in that still dealt a ton of damage anyway if the insta-kill effect didn't trigger.
Jesus Christ, the Back, Sack and Crack line absolutely got me - it came out of nowhere. Incredible stuff
Dewgong getting kidnapped to UU had me dying 😂
im so excited to hear about lapras whenever i seem to check in on it its in a new tier shes so silly
Unrelated but every video you look even prettier like what the hell is your routine what are your tricks your devious magic to be slaying every video
Why is Chansey with glasses so kissable
Worth noting that Blizzard's freeze chance is higher in ALL Japanese versions of the Gen 1 games. GF was forced to do this because of potential desyncs between versions if the battle mechanics didn't line up, and the JP versions are incompatible with other versions.
this was only changed in a weird sidemode in yellow
One of my favorite Gen 1 facts is about Mist! I heard it somewhere, I don't know if it's true, so take this with a grain of salt. Apparently Mist is a reference to the Disruptive Wave skill (Also known as Frigid Wave) from the Dragon Quest series!
This is the introduction on it's Wikipedia page:
"Disruptive Wave (Frigid Wave in DQotS and Tact) is a recurring skill in the Dragon Quest series. Introduced in Dragon Quest III as a monster-exclusive attack, it nullifies all stat changes, such as those caused by buffs (Kabuff, Oomph) and debuffs (Kasap, Decelerate), while also removing all bad effects cast on you by the enemy, therefore, sometimes a double edged sword. It is typically known by major bosses and final bosses, while practically required on said final bosses, making the use of stat changing moves futile in such battles if one's luck is unrelentingly bad."
Once again I'm unsure of the validity but it fits well, it's fun to remember how RBG was less of a Pokemon game and more of a classic JRPG. A lot of the strange choices make sense that way. Dragon and Poison type, Onix and the Voltorb family, y'know?
The brainrot is real. Yellow said "Obamasnow" every time.
Ice Type was the killer of Pseudo-Legendaries basically until Fairy type was introduced because most of the Pseudo-Legendaries are dragons, and now Ice has been relegated as mostly useless for it's only one job.
I've seen all of Big Yellow's pokemon videos without knowing anything about the scene, and now I finally know what STAB means
I'm glad to hear you say at the beginning what I've always thought has been the main issue with the ice type being undesirable. It isn't that it isn't an interesting and reasonable idea. It's that it's just too practical to slap ice type attacks on other things to circumvent the entire design of the ice type. People would like the ice type way more if you couldn't just teach Ice Beam to pretty much everything.
Ice-types are in a really weird spot design wise. It's like they really want Ice to be good, but they're absolutely petrified of making any alterations to the type chart. So then you get dumb stuff like Galarian Darmanitan's Gorilla Tactics, Chien-Pao's Sword of Ruin, Iron Bundle's blazing fast speed and perfect coverage with Freeze-Dry + Hydro Pump, Alolan Ninetales's Aurora Veil under snow, and Baxcalibur abusing snow like no other. Just a bunch of really one-dimensional Pokemon, they're not really fixing the type as much as making stupid shit
I think ice moves like anyone else were to use its okay. but if its an ice pokemon use it well... weavile would be decent but besides that. even the good ones are usually frail except for the ice turtle which is a big wall and pretty decent if u know what your doing. but u can make it work depending on how much effort u make lol
And whenever they try to introduce something for ice that isn't "brain dead offense spam" it's most of the time absolutely awful. Like defensive ice types. Yeah, a defense with exactly one resist and more weaknesses than any defensive pokemon wants period.
So they try to introduce weird overpowered stuff for ice to do like snow/veil and pretty much all it does is make those offensive powerhouses utterly busted. See Baxcalibur.
Just. For God's sake, make it resist water or rock or something. Give it some defensive utility. Why does water resist ice but ice doesn't resist water? Why does rock, which ice generally slices through, do super effective damage to ice?
articuno can be decent but only in mystery dungeon lol
@@DMSwordsmasterIndeed. I still don't understand why Ice is weak to Rock or Fighting. You could take away one of those and give Ice the still missing Ghost resistance that Steel lost in Gen 06 due to Aegislash's sins. Those two "small" changes alone would make Ice like 300% better defensively than it is now.
@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 MD meta is a whole different ballpark to pokemon meta tbh. Mostly because a Pokemon's initial stats rarely actually matter so pretty much anything can be forced into a mold it has the moves for. Hariyama that uses Focus Blast? Go for it fam.
gotta say this has to be your best-edited video so far. at the very least it's the one with the most goofs and asides to give me a hearty chuckle
“Plus, the serotonin button is right there”
*zooms into explosion*
"Ice is nice."
-Knack
thank you knack from knack 2
@@BigYellowSilly Ok now that I've actually watched the whole vid, the edits, humor, and as always the information and everything else in this video were fantastic. You always make the comfiest videos and I could watch them for like 8 entire hours and never get tired of it.
6:58 never thought about it that way, BRAVO game freaked.
Your videos have improved sooo much since you started this video was crazy with all the animations
Your obscure love for gen1 competetive got me into gen9 pokemon laddering and i love it. I cant express how much fun i had through that domino effect.
Many thanks my Yellow Inspiration
It's always been fascinating that whether its in-game as a kid or actual smogon competitive, Ice coverage one of the best offensive moves in the game to have access to, but actually being an ice type sucks
Ice types in gen 1: We are as gods!
Ice types in gens 2-8: pls don’t hit us we will shatter
Ice types in gen 9: *we are so back*
I love the pokemon sprite edits. Such a nice subtle touch.
I don't see much appreciation for this, but the editing in your videos is always great! This one in particular was a highlight, I laughed out loud at both Tentacruel kidnapping Dewgong and Dewgong messing Lapras up (with Headbutt). Keep up the great work!
18:25 Lapras has got to be the most Nidoqueen looking pokemon that is not Nidoqueen
"Only Articuno considers running Blizzard alongside Ice Beam"
Jynx can do it too, sometimes! As you said, Jynx's 4th move isn't all that important, and while it's usually rest, it can be a lot of things. My favorite has gotta be Mimic. It's not all that great, but it's viable enough for the analysis to mention it, and I just think it's a neat move
Big Yellow RBY videos are a Spooktober tradition to me for some reason. I think because I watched that Banned Strats video in between trick-or-treaters.
Now we get some spooky icy chills on Friday the 13th!
I LOVE your RBY analysis vids, I love your dry delivery and I love how you bring your knowledge of other generations as well, it shows your love of pokemon.
I just finally found out why you just magnetized me to your whole channel, you are Macaulay Culkin of pokemon.
I love this series! Id love to see you cover psychic types in ADV. OU has a ton of really good psychic types, but most of them dont get a lot of mileage out of the typing. It'd be interesting to cover i think.
Also, you playing Ace Attorney Investigations really is doing a lot for this channel, love the music!
the visual gags in these videos just keep getting better
friendly reminder that gen 1 blizzard exists in a game where submission was the only good fighting STAB
My god, this video is so well edited! I hope this will be the norm, cause this is a massive step up!
Ice types were always weird in later gens especially. I still don't get why they tried to make so many defensive, slow ice types when ice literally only resists itself and nothing else. It's the textbook definition of "glass".
It's like trying to use bread as a building material of a house. It's fragile, it doesn't work, and the whole thing just collapses.
And don't even get me started on dual type ice pokemon. Where in 95% of the pokemon the ice is an active detriment to the pokemon itself.
And then Tera was introduced which finally gave ice type pokemon what they wanted, which was _a way to not be an ice pokemon._ Except Regieleki, they absolutely loved being an ice type.
Also snow which was an actual help especially when Alolatales got reintroduced. That combined with Aurora Veil basically got Baxcalibur banned because it was nearly unkillable and you couldn't stuff it with burns thanks to its ability.
But yeah. Ice has always been kind of weird.
I think ice types having lots of weaknesses is because of freeze being insta win high risk high reward kind of thing obviously this goes out the window when freeze gets rarer and you can thraw in one turn
I haven't seen anyone highlight 31:46 - has my favourite joke of the video. Gengar knows how to leave a lasting impression.
One of your most well edited videos to date
Absolutely loved how this was done keep it up 🙏🙏🙏
23:50
I always love your way of speaking and editing but this entire summary had me laughing so hard especially hypno getting blown up at the end
Something I thought would be interesting to mention is that Vaporeon does learn both Haze and Mist via level up in Gen 1, but in Yellow version it learns them at the same level, and in Gen 1 Pokémon can only learn one move per level up, so the only way to actually get Mist is via the Day Care.
Love how I unfailingly stop whatever I'm doing to watch these