Triple Arrows and Thousand Arrows being the strongest moves for their respective typings suggests a correlation between number of arrows and move power. We must convene the Archer Council to study this further.
You forgot such impactful moves as "Baddy Bad", "Sparkly Swirl", and "Zippy Zap". These moves are the peak of competitive pokemon design and deserve a mention above medicore moves like "Pursuit".
Baddy Bad setting up Reflect while also being decently powerful would make it one of the most degenerate moves in the competitive scene if it was in the mainline
Sparkly Swirl would be amazing, in part because Sylveon is already marginally viable. A bost-buff 120bp Sparkly Swirl with the Aromatherapy effect would be a fantastic niche for Sylveon as an offensive cleric. The others would not be quite the same level of impactful. Keep in mind that some of these moves were nerfed or buffed after LGPE, so I'll refer to them pre-nerf or post-buff, and assume their most powerful iteration. Bouncy Bubble in its most powerful iteration is essentially Surf, but a draining move, which doesn't gel all that well with Vaporeon's very high HP and middling defenses and merely alright SpA. Totally usable, and definitely nice, but not a game-changer. Jolteon would enjoy the glorified Nuzzle which is Buzzy Buzz, in its pre-nerfed 90bp form, when it could serve as the primary attacking option, aside from Volt Switch, but I don't see how that addresses its core issue with Ground types and its own fragility. Flareon would get a lot of benefit from Sizzly Slide, particularly pre-nerf, condensing Will-O-Wisp and a reliable physical STAB move into one slot. Undoubtedly would jump a tier or two, but it would still have a very hard time being so slow and frail in OU. Espeon would appreciate being able to set up Light Screen while dealing damage with Glitzy Glow on supporting Magic Bounce sets, but that doesn't fundamentally shake the pokemon to its core. I could only see it meaningfully having changed Espeon's viability if they buffed its power to some crazy level like Sparkly Swirl. Umbreon would likely appreciate dealing a bit of damage while setting up Reflect, but it likely wouldn't even be all that much of a moveslot saver, since Umbreon still needs Foul Play to deal damage, Wish for healing, and Protect for chip heal + catching its own Wishes, leaving it with no coverage if it runs Baddy Bad. It might not even choose to run it. Sappy Seed is an incredible move and it would be a godsend for Leafeon... down in the very low tiers. Anywhere higher though, no dice. Leafeon has problems, and Sappy Seed alone wouldn't fix them, in particular because it doesn't complement Leafeon's role as a SD sun sweeper who likes to kill the opponent as quickly as possible. It needs a real ability which provides benefit over time, not just a weather ability for quick sweeps, along with Sleep Powder, and then we're talking. Glaceon, on the other hand, doesn't benefit all that much from Freezy Frost. Its stats, ability, and most importantly typing would need to be more complementary of the role of being a Hazer to take full advantage of Freezy Frost's stat-resetting effect. They were neat moves, and I was very sad that they didn't get rolled over into the mainline games as signature moves for each Eeveelution, but most of them wouldn't singlehandedly rescue the wielder, and some might not even be all that impactful at all.
Basculegion got Last Respects banned from Ubers. Annihilape is not at all viable on that tier despite having Rage Fist and being both stronger and faster than Basculegion
I was also thinking of Diamond Storm, but I knew it would be Stone Axe in the end because competitive players would literally die without their precious rocks
27:08 this decidueye set is genius. spirit shackle trapping guarantees that it will be able to give its target the mail that says "joe mama" inside, obliterating the opponent immediately, whether they can read or not.
I am pretty surprised that body press wasnt even mentioned in the fighting time section. Its damage scales with the users defense stat. This can give special attackers with high defense physical coverage (like archaludon or bronzong), gives you extra damage with defense boosts and its damage doesnt get decreased by intimidate
Mr. Jimothy Cool, I am expecting to see you advocate for the move, 'Struggle' which deals typeless damage to the opponent. I believe this is the best ??? Type attack. Truly insane.
Naturally this is in reference to gens 5-9, as before then the winner would clearly be Curse, though typeless Arceus Judgment could also be a contender if it had been available in-game
Surprised to not see any mention of Rage Fist, Lumina Crash, Salt Cure, Diamond Storm, Aqua Step, or Gigaton Hammer. Was expecting lumina crash to win the psychic category tbh
I like to imagine a world where Ledian was introduced in generation 9. I imagine that in this world, he is blessed with a 120 base power, bug-type physical signature move with 100% accuracy, a 100% chance to give him an omni-boost, and a 100% chance to make the opponent flinch. I tend to be brought back to reality, however, when I realise that this is Ledian, and he would still be the worst bug-type Pokemon despite having the world's best bug-type move all to himself.
I thought you were being hyperbolic, but no Ledian genuinely is so egregiously bad that even a move that potent wouldn't save it. Neither focus sash + swarm nor choice scarf + iron fist could carry your pitiful 35 attack I mean, Abra and Metapod have a 20 attack, for heaven's sake. 😭 He'd definitely have some incredibly small niches maybe in UU or RU, but he'd still be horrendous Maybe throw in 100% chance to apply infestation, and you have an OU mon.
@@wishfulwaffle4801 but garanteed flinch and eventually youre getting to plus 6 attack and speed. and like with a scarf you really dont need much speed. and like once you get to + 6 attack you're at the very least outdamaging leftovers on even a corviknight so nothing that can flinch can wall you. even with only 8 pp which would justify a leppa berry it can easily close games and ramp super fast or if used early just break through stuff to the point of being unrecoverable. like you could stop it with inner focus or covert cloak and stealth rock with red card to bounce some hazards and extreme speed will mess it up before it gets some defense buffs but like this is incredibly potent in any tier of play
I think for Normal-types its definitely Extreme Speed. A draw-back free base 80 STAB with not +1, but +2 priority. The only two Normal-types to get it are Linoone and Arceus-Normal and their entire competitive usage revolves around the move.
I wish every type had an 80+ base power move (physical and Special) with no drawbacks. The question of Air Slash or Hurricane never has a correct answer.
@@chelseareads698 But they’re the ONLY option. Water types have Surf for consistant damage, Hydro Pump for more risky but high damage, Scald for the burn chance, Waterfall for flinching and solid damage, Liquidation for reliable great damage, Flip Turn for momentum as well as all the unique signature moves. Water types have the option to choose. Flying types have gimmicky Acrobatics, bird-exclusive moves (Brave Bird, Drill Peck), very weak Aerial Ace, inaccurate and weak Air Slash and VERY inaccurate Hurricane. Point is, Flying types don’t have any great choices.
@@chelseareads698 they still exist in a main line game in many generations. The lets go moves are exclusives to that game the starters can leave the game and it isn't a main line game
Jim, for ghost we forgot about Rage Fist, Annihilape's signature move, introduced in generation 9. I also suspect it will no longer be a signature move once they release the new Paradox Pokemon, Raging Fist, in generation 10. Thank you.
Idk how to explain it. I know all this info, Jim has covered it all in previous vids, yet I still get so excited when I see one of these discussion vids on my feed. Just love the content Jim, hope it never stops.
I think boom burst is better than population bomb, I think it's power combined with absolutely zero drawback or risk is one of the most appealing prospects of any move ever. It really suffers from its limited distribution but the pokemon that do have it really appreciate it even the non normal types. Especially in gen 9 where you can tera normal in a pinch it's a move that almost never lets you down.
There's a few you missed I think are worth shouting out Psychic: Luminous Crash: 80 BP 100% accuracy with a guaranteed -2 spd on the opponent seems crazy for wallbreaking Rock: Salt Cure is one of the best forms of passive damage in the game Steel: Gigaton Hammer has one of the highest BP's for drawback that isn't so bad Fighting: Body Press is the fighting moved used on almost every pokemon who gets it and creates whole archetypes Dragon: Dragon Darts is simply a very consistent no drawback multi hit
tbf, compared to scald, some pokemon prefer scald > fishious rend. Especially considering that a lot of water types are used as defensive mons. Like for example, Slowbro would prefer scald over fishious rend. Pex as well. Faster water mons would prefer Fishious Rend ofc. But discounting the utility of Scald over just the raw damage of Fishious rend is a wrong way to think which is better. Point being, Scald is more useful on more water mons than Fishious rend because all water mons would benefit from having scald. Even offensive ones
I like that they made an almost identical side-grade to rapid spin, but it's also a type that Gholdgengo just so happens to be immune to I think Old Money might have used his influence here.
The loveliest part is the rhythm of your comment with the stressed syllables being 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the 3 big words respectively does a slick job of replicating it.
Your upload schedule is incredibly lovely Mr. Jimothy. It'll be 4 A.M. my time, and getting this notification is always a reminder that I should've been asleep hours ago. Your channels have been awarded the highest honor of being what I fall asleep to, while being stimulating enough that I also rewind to the moment I fall asleep because I want all the analysis as well. Happy Holidays ❤️
Certain moves skew towards physical or special more than the other. Consider Bug-type attacks as a counterpoint: Bug Buzz and Signal Beam fail to match the greatness of U-Turn, Leech Life, and First Impression, for example. Or consider the special-attacking fighting types who have to use Focus Miss instead of Close Combat. It just varies.
I feel that Body Press at least deserves an honorable mention for being a decently strong 80 base power physical fighting move that scales on defense instead of attack. This adds very welcome offensive pressure to otherwise weak defensive pokemon.
I have heaerd that Muk will be donating portions of his millions to his biggest fans, please help Jim get to his goal so Muk may spread his goopy joy all over me and many others. Thank you.
Fun fact: last respects only checks for each Pokemon that has fainted. So if you use revival blessing cheese, you can get the power up way higher (it caps theoretically at 100 kos, but you'd never get there in a real battle).
Diamond Storm at least deserved an honorable mention, much like mighty cleave it's numbers are far superior to stone edge, but it's secondary effect of a 50% chance to basically set up a free iron defense is far more alluring than simply bypassing protect, particularly considering that this is a singles focused video and therefore protect isn't necessarily common. Personally i would probably run it over stone axe myself, but perhaps that is just me.
Lowkey very surprised Facade didn't get a mention during the Normal section. Extremely potent move for Guts users and on other pokemon that enjoy self-status. Gliscor has caused a ruckus with it in Gen 9. Blood Moon is also pretty solid, but that might come down to the specific pokemon it's on. Boomburst is a more consistent move for a minor decrease in power.
Its hard to determine a single move cause the best move depends on the use of the pokemon. For example hydrosteam and eruption are both special, so you wouldnt really be using fiscious rend on a special attacker and vice versa.
Seeing Bolt Beak is just sad. Even without the secondary effect of doubled power if the user moves first, it's still a better physical electric type move than Wild Charge
honestly gotta give a honorary mention to Trop Kick too its biggest drawback is that it is on tsareena, cause while it isn't nothing to write home about damagewise, that free -1 atk drop on the target is so sweet
Imo, knock off is way better than ceaseless edge. They're both great, but you're far more likely to encounter situations where spikes don't help than you are to encounter situations where removing a foe's item doesn't help.
i love Dhelmise and its great to see it being highlighted. its been severely underrated since its debut but people are really starting to love Big Anchor
Knock off is the best competitive move in the game when you factor in availability, value, and power/accuracy. It’s basically mandatory on every physical dark type, and used on almost any physical non-dark type that gets it as coverage. Its great in singles, doubles, and VGC. The ability to remove an item, barring specific ones, is just way too good, and the boost in damage is a cherry on top. The worst part’s about it are 1) if you run poltergeist on your team, you cant just spam knock off without thinking, and 2) if you’re dealing with an incredible physically bulky mon and need the 1.5x boost in power to ensure the KO.
What a scary thumbnail. I was just learning about the horrors of Shaymin-Sky in Ubers after watching your Gen IV OU serene grace adventures. Not a very fun ability I’d have to say. Can’t wait for the status move list as well! I am more interested about the types without good support moves. Spore is the clear top choice for Grass-type moves, though Leech Seed, Strength Sap, and Sleep Powder would arguably be the best if they belonged to a different type.
Ivy Cudgel honestly should be in the running for each type it could be. Especially rock and grass. Grass in IC was run with a razor claw to fish for flinches. Shout out to fire bonking Tera grass Heatran.
The rock ivy cudgel imo is the best rock move in the game. It’s literally one of the only 100% accurate physical rock moves and it outdamages stone edge, and keeps the high crit chance. The other ivy cudgels are great too but the rock one is sorely needed for its type.
If Zygarde was in scarlet Violet, Core enforcer not only hit both opponents on double battles, but disables Weezing Neutralizing Gas, and have 2 broken ground moves, and imagine the possibility of tera water to counter possible ice moves
Body press has to be the best fighting move. Dealing damage based on def is so absurd, allowing bulky pokemon to hit extremely hard and iron def to essentially be a double bulk up. Body press is so good that many defensive pokemon that are not even fighting type have their entire offense revolve around it. Give triple arrows to something with serene grace and we can talk, but until then, the viability of many pokemon solely rely on body press.
doubles lover from ~2014-2016 here, I didn't hear Diamond Storm, Dark Void, Fake Out, or any of the protect variants mentioned and it saddens me. Would love to see this done again for doubles
I don't think it was mentioned but matcha gotcha is also a spread move so that's a chance to burn both enemies. Surely that should put it up above seed flare?
A contender for best steel type move should be Iron mugulis signature move Mug smash as it always hits you super effective if you are not subscribed to Jimothy Cool
For psychic i think you missed out on hyper space hole: infinite accuracy, hits through protect and substitute and all at a little less damage then psychic. The only downside is it cannot be used by unbound hoopa.
I'm not letting the signature move of my favorite mon be skipped just like that. Aeroblast might be naturally nerfed by Lugia being a wall rather than an offensive mon, but it's a 100 power to 95% accuracy move that has an 1/8 crit rate. Just invest the EVs on hp, def and spA, use a scope lens, run Calm Mind, Recover, a 3rd move and Aeroblast, and you are pretty much set to sweep with crits. You can even try to baton pass some Focuse Energy to even increas the crit rate.
Just imagining Double Iron Bash Jirachi. 84% flinch rate. King's Rock apparently does not boost the flinch rate for moves that can already cause flinching, so that's good at least.
For ghost I think we forgot about Rage punch existing, it’s literally last respect, but better since all it has to do to get a crazy damage is get hit, and multi hit moves increase it with every hit, so instead of waiting for your teammates to be KOed you can just do good damage off the bat by being in combat in general
Can you make a video analyzing the difference between Pokémon that are good in singles or doubles (but not the other) and Pokémon that are good in both formats.
I think V-Create has insane potential with Red Card similar to Torkoal switching out with red card when using overheat. If you use it on a fast-mon, you can hit opponents and switch into a defensive wall before they can attack and then pivot back in with a slow u-turn user. Amoongus would prob work really well since it resists fire weaknesses and has spore to give pivot opportunities.
beak blast is also a sleeper good flying move 100BP 100% accurate physical attack that has negative priority but if the enemy makes contact before it goes off they get burnt
The drawback of boomburst seems to be that no good special attacking normal types get STAB of this move Only normal types with subpar/ok special attack stats, or non normal types who don't get STAB on it
![Blox Fruits Dragon Rework Update [Full Stream]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EqDAp8udhm0/mqdefault.jpg)
jimothycool.com
Horse Council Merch available until end of December.
What about geomancy on xerneas for fairy types?
@hummanbean4898 Attacks.
I believe the best ground-type move to be High Horsepower, which is both strong competitively, and politically.
In gen 10 they should make horse its own typing
@@PigmanCharade1112atleast its own sillhouette
honse
Yeah, it outclasses Earthquake because it's not weakened by Grassy Terrain
@@theo7371This is because Horses eat grass. Truly stunning.
No wonder Hisuian Decidueye is considered weak when Zygarde is capable of launching more than 333 times as many arrows per turn.
Good one pal.
And zygarde doesn't even have arms!
Triple Arrows and Thousand Arrows being the strongest moves for their respective typings suggests a correlation between number of arrows and move power. We must convene the Archer Council to study this further.
Sagitarius is depicted as archer. Which is also half horse.
We need a horse archer now
Sacking of Rome intensifies
Oh my, a new council was just created, mind if I use the idea for future comments in future videos?
Sterling Archer could definitely be in charge of keeping ammo counts.
You forgot such impactful moves as "Baddy Bad", "Sparkly Swirl", and "Zippy Zap". These moves are the peak of competitive pokemon design and deserve a mention above medicore moves like "Pursuit".
BASED
This moves are absolutely busted unironically
Baddy Bad setting up Reflect while also being decently powerful would make it one of the most degenerate moves in the competitive scene if it was in the mainline
Sparkly Swirl would be amazing, in part because Sylveon is already marginally viable. A bost-buff 120bp Sparkly Swirl with the Aromatherapy effect would be a fantastic niche for Sylveon as an offensive cleric.
The others would not be quite the same level of impactful. Keep in mind that some of these moves were nerfed or buffed after LGPE, so I'll refer to them pre-nerf or post-buff, and assume their most powerful iteration.
Bouncy Bubble in its most powerful iteration is essentially Surf, but a draining move, which doesn't gel all that well with Vaporeon's very high HP and middling defenses and merely alright SpA. Totally usable, and definitely nice, but not a game-changer. Jolteon would enjoy the glorified Nuzzle which is Buzzy Buzz, in its pre-nerfed 90bp form, when it could serve as the primary attacking option, aside from Volt Switch, but I don't see how that addresses its core issue with Ground types and its own fragility. Flareon would get a lot of benefit from Sizzly Slide, particularly pre-nerf, condensing Will-O-Wisp and a reliable physical STAB move into one slot. Undoubtedly would jump a tier or two, but it would still have a very hard time being so slow and frail in OU.
Espeon would appreciate being able to set up Light Screen while dealing damage with Glitzy Glow on supporting Magic Bounce sets, but that doesn't fundamentally shake the pokemon to its core. I could only see it meaningfully having changed Espeon's viability if they buffed its power to some crazy level like Sparkly Swirl. Umbreon would likely appreciate dealing a bit of damage while setting up Reflect, but it likely wouldn't even be all that much of a moveslot saver, since Umbreon still needs Foul Play to deal damage, Wish for healing, and Protect for chip heal + catching its own Wishes, leaving it with no coverage if it runs Baddy Bad. It might not even choose to run it.
Sappy Seed is an incredible move and it would be a godsend for Leafeon... down in the very low tiers. Anywhere higher though, no dice. Leafeon has problems, and Sappy Seed alone wouldn't fix them, in particular because it doesn't complement Leafeon's role as a SD sun sweeper who likes to kill the opponent as quickly as possible. It needs a real ability which provides benefit over time, not just a weather ability for quick sweeps, along with Sleep Powder, and then we're talking. Glaceon, on the other hand, doesn't benefit all that much from Freezy Frost. Its stats, ability, and most importantly typing would need to be more complementary of the role of being a Hazer to take full advantage of Freezy Frost's stat-resetting effect.
They were neat moves, and I was very sad that they didn't get rolled over into the mainline games as signature moves for each Eeveelution, but most of them wouldn't singlehandedly rescue the wielder, and some might not even be all that impactful at all.
I would comment on the childish names. But then again this is Pokémon. A game made for kids, so i guess they check out lol.
Once muk gets that million he will evolve to mukldengo with his body becoming molten gold
He will get access to his new signature move: Muk it rain.
@@RegrowRedlmfao
@@RegrowRed
The ability? Mood As Muk.
why do i actually love this idea tho. someone chucked him into an incinerator and it went sideways
"Dirty Money". The latest paradox pokemon
I get the feeling Mr. Cool completely forgot about the move Rage Fist when he was talking about the ghost type
And Blood Moon for normal type.
Add Gigaton Hammer to that list, for steel type.
@@alzef1375 blood moon is strictly worse than boomburst
Basculegion got Last Respects banned from Ubers. Annihilape is not at all viable on that tier despite having Rage Fist and being both stronger and faster than Basculegion
@@oldchicken8679 upon further inspection, you're right. It's even a sound move, on top of being spammable.
Not mentioning Diamond storm or Salt cure for rock is crazy.
I was also thinking of Diamond Storm, but I knew it would be Stone Axe in the end because competitive players would literally die without their precious rocks
Same for not even mentioning Lumina Crash in Psychic.
@@Viperacrx600i take salt cure over stone axe
@@lucasalarcon3230 Agreed, DoT is insane and Stone Axe being able to miss is eh.. I'd just rather use a rocker than Stone Axe usually.
27:08 this decidueye set is genius. spirit shackle trapping guarantees that it will be able to give its target the mail that says "joe mama" inside, obliterating the opponent immediately, whether they can read or not.
This is insane, folks.
I like that Jimothy said Spirit Shackle would make for a good STAB option on a Curse set, forgetting that Ghost types cannot use Curse to boost
I cannot believe you have forgotten about famous Fairy type move: Light of Ruin, learnt by exactly zero released pokemon.
THIS. more deserving of a mention than fleur cannon imo
No one learns it? Why does it exist then? Rad red has a Clefable with light of ruin but I never used it
@kanishkchessing7987 a pokemon DOES learn it, the pokemon has just never been distributed. The pokemon in question being az's floette
As a VGC player,I can't really speak on singles but you just can't leave out Surging Strikes for the water type section
good point, he probably forgot because it's been relevant in singles for very little time
@@rajkanishu thats not entirely true. Any time you used urshifu rapid strike you would use surging strike especially after darkshifu got banned.
Also geomancy for the fairy type moves
It is definitely a top Water move, though Urshifu-RS will run Fishious Rend if it gets. The raw power is crazy if used on Scarf sets.
@@syan2240only Attack, no statuses
I am pretty surprised that body press wasnt even mentioned in the fighting time section. Its damage scales with the users defense stat. This can give special attackers with high defense physical coverage (like archaludon or bronzong), gives you extra damage with defense boosts and its damage doesnt get decreased by intimidate
It also turns walls like Skarmory into win conditions with Iron Defense sets, which is a huge change.
@@Electric999999Garganacl with purifying salt iron defense body press will forever be my favorite set to fuck around with in Gen 9 OU, viable or not
i struggled to finish the video knowing body press wasnt mentioned. big oversight on jc's part
Mr. Jimothy Cool, I am expecting to see you advocate for the move, 'Struggle' which deals typeless damage to the opponent. I believe this is the best ??? Type attack. Truly insane.
Naturally this is in reference to gens 5-9, as before then the winner would clearly be Curse, though typeless Arceus Judgment could also be a contender if it had been available in-game
Can't revelation dance be typeless too?
Absolutely incredible folks.
Curse gen 3-4 is a better ??? type move (changed to ghost in gen 5)
the shadow moves from gale of darkness and coliseum are stronger typeless moves iirc
Surprised to not see any mention of Rage Fist, Lumina Crash, Salt Cure, Diamond Storm, Aqua Step, or Gigaton Hammer. Was expecting lumina crash to win the psychic category tbh
Aqua step is good but water have to much competition he didn't mention urshifu signature move for the water section
Lumina Crash was the correct choice
I like to imagine a world where Ledian was introduced in generation 9. I imagine that in this world, he is blessed with a 120 base power, bug-type physical signature move with 100% accuracy, a 100% chance to give him an omni-boost, and a 100% chance to make the opponent flinch. I tend to be brought back to reality, however, when I realise that this is Ledian, and he would still be the worst bug-type Pokemon despite having the world's best bug-type move all to himself.
yknow idk man i think soemthing with that effect might just push it over the edge provided it doesn't have the same drawback as fake out
I thought you were being hyperbolic, but no Ledian genuinely is so egregiously bad that even a move that potent wouldn't save it. Neither focus sash + swarm nor choice scarf + iron fist could carry your pitiful 35 attack
I mean, Abra and Metapod have a 20 attack, for heaven's sake. 😭
He'd definitely have some incredibly small niches maybe in UU or RU, but he'd still be horrendous
Maybe throw in 100% chance to apply infestation, and you have an OU mon.
in a fan game ive worked on I invented a bug close combat I called "BuzzBuzzKnockout" that ledian gets.
@@wishfulwaffle4801 but garanteed flinch and eventually youre getting to plus 6 attack and speed. and like with a scarf you really dont need much speed. and like once you get to + 6 attack you're at the very least outdamaging leftovers on even a corviknight so nothing that can flinch can wall you. even with only 8 pp which would justify a leppa berry it can easily close games and ramp super fast or if used early just break through stuff to the point of being unrecoverable.
like you could stop it with inner focus or covert cloak and stealth rock with red card to bounce some hazards and extreme speed will mess it up before it gets some defense buffs but like this is incredibly potent in any tier of play
Gigaton Hanmer would be so much better if Tinkaton had a good attack stat
Gonna legally change my name to "The Pokèmon Muk", checkmate Jimothy
I fear you have used the wrong acccent and renamed yourself for absolutely nothing
@barmanitan Damn autocorrect, now I have a dumb name and no money
For Lickitung type Pokémon, the best attack would be Lick.
fun fact is that Lickitung didn't have access to lick in gen 1
here we go with the politics
Shoutouts to moonblast getting introduced with 95 power in the gen that t-bolt, surf, ice beam, and flamethrower dropped from 95 power to 90.
I think for Normal-types its definitely Extreme Speed. A draw-back free base 80 STAB with not +1, but +2 priority. The only two Normal-types to get it are Linoone and Arceus-Normal and their entire competitive usage revolves around the move.
I wish every type had an 80+ base power move (physical and Special) with no drawbacks. The question of Air Slash or Hurricane never has a correct answer.
it's good enough that it got dragonite to run tera normal
@RegeorI think it's good for the game that there is not a correct answer. It would make the game a lot less textured. Things would be pretty samey
@@chelseareads698 But they’re the ONLY option. Water types have Surf for consistant damage, Hydro Pump for more risky but high damage, Scald for the burn chance, Waterfall for flinching and solid damage, Liquidation for reliable great damage, Flip Turn for momentum as well as all the unique signature moves. Water types have the option to choose.
Flying types have gimmicky Acrobatics, bird-exclusive moves (Brave Bird, Drill Peck), very weak Aerial Ace, inaccurate and weak Air Slash and VERY inaccurate Hurricane. Point is, Flying types don’t have any great choices.
@Regeoralso the meme that is bounce
My conclusion from this video and the other recent one was that we should give Electivire Bolt Beak.
That would be neat, you'd switch into a Motor Drive speed boost, use that to outspeed and land your double damage Bolt Beaks.
Bolt beak doesn't make sense on him but plasma fist can be cool , he can abuse it with motor drive.
@@EggscellentTree Just draw a beak on it?
The Let's Go Moves are incredibly strong. Bouncy Bubble is a 90 base power water type draining kiss that hits both enemies
it heals more than draining kiss % wise at 100% and its power was dropped to 60 but if it was available in vgc it would be insane
They don't talk about those moves because they only exist in the spin off
@@lucasalarcon3230 maybe, but pursuit . The moves are just extremely limited in distribution and very easy to forget imo
@@chelseareads698 they still exist in a main line game in many generations. The lets go moves are exclusives to that game the starters can leave the game and it isn't a main line game
@@lucasalarcon3230 their current situations are the same. Let's go moves even had balance changes, weirdly enough. Pokemon is a strange series.
Jim, for ghost we forgot about Rage Fist, Annihilape's signature move, introduced in generation 9. I also suspect it will no longer be a signature move once they release the new Paradox Pokemon, Raging Fist, in generation 10. Thank you.
Idk how to explain it. I know all this info, Jim has covered it all in previous vids, yet I still get so excited when I see one of these discussion vids on my feed. Just love the content Jim, hope it never stops.
The exclusion of the commonly known most powerful Normal move Hold Hands has been noted. Stern letter to follow.
Probably doesn't count as an attack as no direct damage is caused
@MyratheDunmer debatable.
Emotional Damage is caused. @@MyratheDunmer
Surprised not to see Lumina Crash mentioned. Though it's ironic that the only user of it prefers Stored Power.
I hosted a horse-only pokemon tournament, and it was absolutely insane.
Was it called the Gallup cup?
@@brettrossi034nicely done.😂
im quite impressed how fast jim is putting out new interesting videos
I think boom burst is better than population bomb, I think it's power combined with absolutely zero drawback or risk is one of the most appealing prospects of any move ever. It really suffers from its limited distribution but the pokemon that do have it really appreciate it even the non normal types. Especially in gen 9 where you can tera normal in a pinch it's a move that almost never lets you down.
There's a few you missed I think are worth shouting out
Psychic: Luminous Crash: 80 BP 100% accuracy with a guaranteed -2 spd on the opponent seems crazy for wallbreaking
Rock: Salt Cure is one of the best forms of passive damage in the game
Steel: Gigaton Hammer has one of the highest BP's for drawback that isn't so bad
Fighting: Body Press is the fighting moved used on almost every pokemon who gets it and creates whole archetypes
Dragon: Dragon Darts is simply a very consistent no drawback multi hit
I remember false swipe gaming saying that fishious rend wasn’t the best water attack. Jimothy still has a brain
tbf, compared to scald, some pokemon prefer scald > fishious rend. Especially considering that a lot of water types are used as defensive mons. Like for example, Slowbro would prefer scald over fishious rend. Pex as well. Faster water mons would prefer Fishious Rend ofc. But discounting the utility of Scald over just the raw damage of Fishious rend is a wrong way to think which is better. Point being, Scald is more useful on more water mons than Fishious rend because all water mons would benefit from having scald. Even offensive ones
For flying aeroblast is an option that could also be considered imo, same with how rage fist is good for ghost
I like that they made an almost identical side-grade to rapid spin, but it's also a type that Gholdgengo just so happens to be immune to
I think Old Money might have used his influence here.
Jim’s brand of humor where he uses syncopated enunciation and repetition for further emphasis reminds me of filmcow
Get a load of the English Major
The loveliest part is the rhythm of your comment with the stressed syllables being 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the 3 big words respectively does a slick job of replicating it.
Your upload schedule is incredibly lovely Mr. Jimothy. It'll be 4 A.M. my time, and getting this notification is always a reminder that I should've been asleep hours ago.
Your channels have been awarded the highest honor of being what I fall asleep to, while being stimulating enough that I also rewind to the moment I fall asleep because I want all the analysis as well.
Happy Holidays ❤️
game freak really does have a pro special attacker agenda. There is no other way to explain moonblast vs play rough
Certain moves skew towards physical or special more than the other. Consider Bug-type attacks as a counterpoint: Bug Buzz and Signal Beam fail to match the greatness of U-Turn, Leech Life, and First Impression, for example. Or consider the special-attacking fighting types who have to use Focus Miss instead of Close Combat.
It just varies.
I feel that Body Press at least deserves an honorable mention for being a decently strong 80 base power physical fighting move that scales on defense instead of attack. This adds very welcome offensive pressure to otherwise weak defensive pokemon.
Marshadow couldn't steal Salamence's 3 Dragon Dances. It's slower than Salamence and, unless dragon owner clicks even more DDs, you just die instantly
Focus sash
I have heaerd that Muk will be donating portions of his millions to his biggest fans, please help Jim get to his goal so Muk may spread his goopy joy all over me and many others. Thank you.
Ayo?
Fire Lash could be mentioned. It's user sucks but the move alone is pretty darn solid.
three pokemon lines get it and none of them are good with it, but it's a really cool move
@@scrunkore Centiskorch looks like it can make good use of it. Problem is its typing
Fun fact: last respects only checks for each Pokemon that has fainted. So if you use revival blessing cheese, you can get the power up way higher (it caps theoretically at 100 kos, but you'd never get there in a real battle).
Diamond Storm at least deserved an honorable mention, much like mighty cleave it's numbers are far superior to stone edge, but it's secondary effect of a 50% chance to basically set up a free iron defense is far more alluring than simply bypassing protect, particularly considering that this is a singles focused video and therefore protect isn't necessarily common. Personally i would probably run it over stone axe myself, but perhaps that is just me.
It doesn't hit as hard as moonblast but I feel like Spirit break is really beneficial with the 100% special attack drop
Honestly I could see an argument for Strength Sap being the best grass attack in the game.
It does NOT deal damage
Also i know its power lacks, but Salt Cure is a potential contender for Rock type too
Lowkey very surprised Facade didn't get a mention during the Normal section. Extremely potent move for Guts users and on other pokemon that enjoy self-status. Gliscor has caused a ruckus with it in Gen 9. Blood Moon is also pretty solid, but that might come down to the specific pokemon it's on. Boomburst is a more consistent move for a minor decrease in power.
Surprised Gigaton Hammer didn't get a mention for the steel section! Awesome vid though as always, thank you Jimothy, very cool
Its hard to determine a single move cause the best move depends on the use of the pokemon. For example hydrosteam and eruption are both special, so you wouldnt really be using fiscious rend on a special attacker and vice versa.
Im raging cuz you did not mention the great surging strikes
Seeing Bolt Beak is just sad. Even without the secondary effect of doubled power if the user moves first, it's still a better physical electric type move than Wild Charge
Would've mentioned Accelerock, Salt Cure, and Diamond Storm in the rock section, btu all in all generally agree with all your choices :)
Dire Claw tells me that if Tri-Attack had a 50% chance, it'd be as hated as Dire Claw
Probably more since freeze is even worse rng than sleep and its DoT option is burn which is also a nightmare scenario for physical attackers
honestly gotta give a honorary mention to Trop Kick too
its biggest drawback is that it is on tsareena, cause while it isn't nothing to write home about damagewise, that free -1 atk drop on the target is so sweet
Imo, knock off is way better than ceaseless edge. They're both great, but you're far more likely to encounter situations where spikes don't help than you are to encounter situations where removing a foe's item doesn't help.
the fact that it took me until the fairy type to realize the you only took attacking moves into consideration(thanks geomancy)
1:49
It hits exactly as hard as hydro pump
Hydro pump had it's power lowered to 110 in gen 6
i love seeing how they make such complicated risk / reward analysis on the spot
You forgot to mention surging strike and jet punch as contender's for water
For electric id argue thunderclap.
Special Sucker Punch, no contest.
No Gigaton Hammer is CRAZY
i love Dhelmise and its great to see it being highlighted. its been severely underrated since its debut but people are really starting to love Big Anchor
For rock type I have sure you would say it was Diamong Storm, did you forget this move?
Something about those glasses just make you want to simp for this boy. Great connect
Knock off is the best competitive move in the game when you factor in availability, value, and power/accuracy. It’s basically mandatory on every physical dark type, and used on almost any physical non-dark type that gets it as coverage. Its great in singles, doubles, and VGC. The ability to remove an item, barring specific ones, is just way too good, and the boost in damage is a cherry on top.
The worst part’s about it are 1) if you run poltergeist on your team, you cant just spam knock off without thinking, and 2) if you’re dealing with an incredible physically bulky mon and need the 1.5x boost in power to ensure the KO.
What a scary thumbnail. I was just learning about the horrors of Shaymin-Sky in Ubers after watching your Gen IV OU serene grace adventures. Not a very fun ability I’d have to say.
Can’t wait for the status move list as well! I am more interested about the types without good support moves. Spore is the clear top choice for Grass-type moves, though Leech Seed, Strength Sap, and Sleep Powder would arguably be the best if they belonged to a different type.
14:10 also changes allied Pokémon moves
You can have something explode next to it and it will heal Zeraora instead of dealing damage
3:00 "The signature move of Dracovish." Arctovish fuming.
One thing this vid taught me is how unfair legendary signature moves are, as if the amazing stats weren't enough already.
What is the best attacking move for every single pokemon type ?….
The answer is not actually as obvious as you might expect
Every type will have their go-to attacks, commonly used in competitive.
Fire types will have flamethrower for example.
Fire types will have Flamethrower, for example. Ghost types will have Shadow Ball or Poltergeist.
But when you factor in powerful, signature moves
Rock ivy cudgel deserves a mention I think.
Ivy Cudgel honestly should be in the running for each type it could be. Especially rock and grass. Grass in IC was run with a razor claw to fish for flinches.
Shout out to fire bonking Tera grass Heatran.
@@electrica2336 I think the rock one stands out because it's explicitly better than stone edge.
The rock ivy cudgel imo is the best rock move in the game. It’s literally one of the only 100% accurate physical rock moves and it outdamages stone edge, and keeps the high crit chance. The other ivy cudgels are great too but the rock one is sorely needed for its type.
I like how this doubles as a “most broken stabmons moves” list.
It's funny that espathra being so good at using stored power resulted on lumina crash not being mentioned. That is such a crazy move.
If Zygarde was in scarlet Violet, Core enforcer not only hit both opponents on double battles, but disables Weezing Neutralizing Gas, and have 2 broken ground moves, and imagine the possibility of tera water to counter possible ice moves
Lumina Crash is another insane Psychic move. I really thought you were going to mention it when you went to Espathra.
i'm happy that nuzzle got a mention
my fav move in the game
it feels so damned good to have 100% chance to paralyze AND do a bit of damage
I love getting my morning Jim
Body press has to be the best fighting move.
Dealing damage based on def is so absurd, allowing bulky pokemon to hit extremely hard and iron def to essentially be a double bulk up. Body press is so good that many defensive pokemon that are not even fighting type have their entire offense revolve around it.
Give triple arrows to something with serene grace and we can talk, but until then, the viability of many pokemon solely rely on body press.
I love how Focus Blast wasn‘t even mentioned
doubles lover from ~2014-2016 here, I didn't hear Diamond Storm, Dark Void, Fake Out, or any of the protect variants mentioned and it saddens me.
Would love to see this done again for doubles
I don't think it was mentioned but matcha gotcha is also a spread move so that's a chance to burn both enemies. Surely that should put it up above seed flare?
A contender for best steel type move should be Iron mugulis signature move Mug smash as it always hits you super effective if you are not subscribed to Jimothy Cool
For psychic i think you missed out on hyper space hole: infinite accuracy, hits through protect and substitute and all at a little less damage then psychic. The only downside is it cannot be used by unbound hoopa.
I'm not letting the signature move of my favorite mon be skipped just like that.
Aeroblast might be naturally nerfed by Lugia being a wall rather than an offensive mon, but it's a 100 power to 95% accuracy move that has an 1/8 crit rate.
Just invest the EVs on hp, def and spA, use a scope lens, run Calm Mind, Recover, a 3rd move and Aeroblast, and you are pretty much set to sweep with crits. You can even try to baton pass some Focuse Energy to even increas the crit rate.
Just imagining Double Iron Bash Jirachi.
84% flinch rate.
King's Rock apparently does not boost the flinch rate for moves that can already cause flinching, so that's good at least.
Body Press should have been mentioned in the fighting type section, it's buffing of defensive walls is nothing to scoff at
For ghost I think we forgot about Rage punch existing, it’s literally last respect, but better since all it has to do to get a crazy damage is get hit, and multi hit moves increase it with every hit, so instead of waiting for your teammates to be KOed you can just do good damage off the bat by being in combat in general
18:20 No special attack drop associated with Moonblast? What about the 30% chance you just mentioned?
Hey Muk! How you doing old buddy? You know we go way back. Right buddy?
Please invite me to your yacht when you get rich
Can you make a video analyzing the difference between Pokémon that are good in singles or doubles (but not the other) and Pokémon that are good in both formats.
Please please make a similar video for status moves!! I love hearing your superior opinion on pokemon content.
I personally argue that surging strikes is the strongest water type move just because of the absurdity of guaranteed crits
Ivy chudgel with the cornerstone mask might be a good shout for best rock move
I think Fire Lash is a great contender for the fire type, it forces switches and can snowball quickly. But Torch Song beats it out
39:58 unfortunate that zygarde never uses this move the animation is really cool especially in complete form
Surprised diamond storm didn't get a mention on the rock type, great power accuracy balance with a great secundary effect
I think V-Create has insane potential with Red Card similar to Torkoal switching out with red card when using overheat.
If you use it on a fast-mon, you can hit opponents and switch into a defensive wall before they can attack and then pivot back in with a slow u-turn user.
Amoongus would prob work really well since it resists fire weaknesses and has spore to give pivot opportunities.
I'd argue that Light of Ruin is the best Fairy-type move, both in name and effect
18:18 lies. There _is_ a special attack drop associated with moon blast. Just not for the user
beak blast is also a sleeper good flying move
100BP 100% accurate physical attack that has negative priority but if the enemy makes contact before it goes off they get burnt
V-Create Contrary Serperior would be a dangerous threat.
The drawback of boomburst seems to be that no good special attacking normal types get STAB of this move
Only normal types with subpar/ok special attack stats, or non normal types who don't get STAB on it