Long haul truck slips when reversing onboard ferry on winter ice 27.12. 2023 - IN VIA/Viking Line
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- Опубликовано: 26 дек 2023
- Fresh snow and a temperature of 0 degrees make it extremely slippery for the truck to back up on board the ship.
Will he make it??
MrFinlandsuo...
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Greetings from Scotland! With a single drive axle and that ramp so icy, it was never going to happen in reverse. They wasted so much time until reason took over and they allowed him to drive in forwards - 5 seconds, no problem! I wonder why hey didn't grit the ramp before he even tried?
A half decent 4x4 towing from the ferry, maybe something like a Land Cruiser would have given just enough extra momentum to get those driving wheels onto the ferry prow. Or salt and sand. Or lining the truck up straight before reversing. Or going on forwards (that driver looks plenty competent enough to reverse off at the destination.)
@@XXSkunkWorksXX Absolutely! I am surprised at how unprepared the crew/staff were! It was painful to watch. That ramp should have been cleared and/or salted before the ferry even arrived.
hehe, the last thing you want when backing up...wheel slip, when pepole are watching and time pressure from the ferrys timetable.
I drove Internationally for 25 years in Germany after retirement from the Army. Simple solution: drop the last trailer, unhook the front one, back the last trailer in with truck, hook up front trailer back it in and rejoin.
no way would I attempt both at same time, too difficult.
@@ratherbeflying101backing up isn't the problem for this professional. It's the slippery deck that causes the problem. I also drive a b-train. Easy,with 2 fingers in my nose.😊
Ich bin früher auch von dort gefahren, auch ich musste rückwärts rauf. Die Leute Sicht echt sehr hilfsbereit. Tuhen alles,damit du rauf kommst.
If they would be organized ....a plowtruck would spread some sand before the ship docks
If the truck had pick up speed, say 30kmph in reverse, its momentum would have carried it up the ramp. 😂.b
Excellent reversing skills with a very difficult configuration and that on packed snow that has turned to ice with a steep incline. For situations like that, perhaps having some matting they could roll out so that the lorry had some grip where it was needed. Although, I suspect that the matting would perhaps just slip under the wheels also. As someone has suggested, having the steep part of the ramp heated would also help, but that jus raises costs of using the ferry. In the end, they found the solution which in winter often means 'compromise'. The driver will need o reverse out on the other end which is likely not ideal as they wouldn't bother to insist that the lorry reverses in otherwise.
They only need a little bit of sand. The crew was astonishing incompetent.
@@elbuggo This. They had sand somewhere nearby, but it looked like they were not really even trying. More sand, especially on the steep slope.
Agreed, do one trailer at a time seems more logical ?
Wow. Great driving and persistence, also good teamwork but a no-go.
You'd have thought someone would have had the sense to put salt down.
A good tip while driving such a long rig on snow/ice, is to prepare a position where all wheels go in a straight line. The "wriggling" creates more resistance than one may believe.
I don't think backing a b-train up a ramp from the light outside into the darker cardeck is that simple, any little side movement at the back trailer will aquire some serious side movement on the truck. He still did a good job I think, the guys whit sand not so good.
@@MrJokkoma yep, fine "sandbox sand" is no help when there is snow on top of the ice, you need coarse, you can go with fine but you neet alot.
seems u never driven a Lorry
Yep, You are right. He almost did it 08:10 with straight train. Driver was super close to his goal.
@@muttgusseNo Lorry, that's right. More like 25 meter rigs, 50 tons.
That driver is a rockstar..... top effort.....
Watching those clowns with the shovel full of grit was like watching a fireman putting a fire out with a water pistol lol.
when every vehicle makes it onto the ferry with ease you probably don't have a tractor with gravel dispenser ready at hand ...
It was like watching the Keystone Cops. Standing ten feet away and throwing a handful of gravel under the wrong wheels. Not one of them put any down where the steepest part was. They made it impossible for that poor, (but obviously highly experienced) driver.
Yes, that driver is a professional. It was the ice here that was the problem. I'm very surprised that they did not have more sand to place under the wheels. At the ports like this they should have a sand truck avaible for use since this is taking place everyday in Scandinavia. I drove trucks using Viking Line and Silja Line weekly back in the -70sh and early -80sh. Used these boats every week. Backed in truck and trailers all the tine but back then, the ports had plenty of sand to use for truckers but maybe they are savng money now these days but I'm very surprised to see this not being like high class as it used to be. Go ahed and sand more so the truckers can have sone Grip 😂 Amen ❤
Yup, early winter last year I was waiting to board onto Wasaline ship in Vaasa, and my combination was not able to move when it was my turn, because it was so slippery. I guess the person who was waving us to go to the ship was pretty new at the job, because they asked me if it is possible for me to take the next days ship! I told them no way, there's got to be sand or gravel somewhere and they did radio to someone and soon a van with two guys, buckets of gravel and shovels came to get the truck out of the predicament! So in the end everything worked out, but you would think they would be prepared with the sand or gravel at the harbors much better, so they can get everybody on in time.
I've seen dumb stuff in my life, but this is special.😅
Must say: You have seen nothing.
It is always a big surprise for operators that every year it is winter with ice and snow.
It surprises me that the ferry operator doesn't have some sort of winching assistance available to get the truck on quicker. If properly placed the rear of the truck could be dragged backwards onto the ship, thus leaving less weight for the prime mover to push.
As another commenter stated, they could also have split the articulated into two parts and rejoined onboard. Two parts could have been loaded in the time it took for the failed reversing attempt.
You have no idea....
Would be a liability nightmare. and so impractical for the driver. But a real salt or sand spreader would be a lot cheaper and easier.
That what I said also in my comment. I drove these trucks back in the late -70sh and Early -80sh and then no problems since they did use a lot if sand back then. Now, they don't use a lit of sand and I don't know why 😂😢@@dairyair4513
As soon as the video starts I said to myself why don’t they just drive on. 12 minutes later and they drive on
Its safer to have cars pointing towards exit incase of evacuation
If that was here in the Uk with that ice & snow firstly half of Britain would be at a standstill and if you got to the port bet you any money good old health and safety would have stopped him boarding 🙈
In Australia and New Zealand all trucks that size have bogie (tandem) drive. Pity they couldn't hook another vehicle onto the back of the rear trailer to give it a bit of help over the lip.
Tandem drive would mean it spinning even more. With the tag up he’s got as much weight as he can on the drive.
@@petittrainguernsey3297 Sometimes more rubber on the road provides more traction than less rubber with more weight on it. Tractors arn't sold with 2 driving axles around the world just for fun.
@@petittrainguernsey3297 funny that most trucks in Sweden and Norway are running with 3 axles ...
@@EnjoyFirefighting Yes we do have 3 axles as standard in Norway but mostly still only one of the axles are drive axles and the other is a lift axle, and on the tandem drive trucks there is a button to transfer the weight on the drive axles so usely the middle axle has more pressure on the road.
Many 6x2 trucks here in the North have "Robson drives", but mostly dump trucks and timber trucks. This is a freely rotating cylinder that is pushed in (by hydraulic or pneumatic pressure) between the driving and the rolling wheels and makes the truck a 6x4 temporary, continuous use would wear out the tires. This is a lighter and cheaper system than a full tandem drive.
And weight matters at long haulin. Less truck weight means more cargo weight.
More driving axles also means more friction which means a higher fuel consumption. There are reasons why most European trucks have only one drive axle.
You’re not going to fart around with chains at that point, that driver was smashing it in a shitty situation. The ferry crew saw it was impossible and made the right decision getting both trucks to drive on/ reverse off. Top driver.
Get the driving wheels on dry surface first, my immediate thoughts.
Which one of these trucks in the video is more difficult to reverse? Given they're different articulated configurations . One is a b-double and the other is a dolly converter configuration . I'm guessing the dolly converter configuration truck.
@@addamr2052 the b-train is harder.
Depends on the operator. I've seen drivers put those things into places that a normal person would think was impossible.
Respekt für den Fahrer, wie er mit dem Gespann umgehen kann und Ruhe bewahrt. Aber warum montiert er keine Ketten?
it's... beautiful
Excellent driving!!!!
And not loosing patience in a stressful situation.....
I can understand there is nothing they can do about a slippery kay..... it never snows in Finland.....
Greetings from the Netherlands, and a cheerful New Years Eve!!!
Var är hjullastaren med sandspridarskopan som borde ha stått redo på tomgång där? Det blänker ju rent av från lysena i blank isen som dom knappt kan gå på haha. Tycker dock det var ett riktigt snyggt ekipage, den korta dragbilen såg fin ut att manövrera. Skulle verkligen vara kul att få provbacka ett sådant ekipage.
Borde inte saltning vara det första steget? Gissningsvis var det inte många grader under noll. Väldigt konstigt att inte rampen var bättre skött.
Ja det kan man fan undra. Jävla sopor som jobbar på det rederiet och sköter lastningen på rampen och inte sandar eller saltar där när det är blankis
Skulle jag vara M:hamns hamn:s VD så skulle jag skämmas hur dåligt förberedda dom verkar vara på vinterföre(och kärringhalka)
@@nian60Mycket bra sagt 😊
Hyvä yritys rekkakuskilta. Satamaporukan toiminta aivan naurettavaa. Hiekkaa ripoteltu pikkuisen sinne tänne. Miksi ei hiekotettu kunnolla valmiiksi kun odotettiin laivan saapumista laituriin? Satamassa pitäisi olla paikat kunnossa, ettei siellä tarvitse enää vetää ketjuja pyöriin.
That’s why i hate winters, everywhere you come it’s trouble 🙈
It’s not trouble, it’s challenges…! 😇
Ei uskois että Kongosta on sora loppu 😂
Meinasin nauraa itteni kuoliaaksi kun porukka alkaa lappaamaan jotain hiekkalaatikko hiekkaa mikä vaan sekottuu lumeen sekunnissa 😂
Taas huomaa tuolla kommenteissa että ollaan niin osaavia ja oletetan että suomalainen rekka ja suomen pitäisi osata nämä hommat.....
They charge so much money for the ticket and they can't clear the snow from the yard
good job that guy in yellow had a shovel
WHEEL SOCKS is all i can recommend in slippery situation like this. They have better traction then chains but are limited fore only short time use such as this. and they are super fast and easy to slip on and off. i always keep a pair under my seat.
Sad to see that. I know it's hard to reverse basically two trailers. Most of drivers is unable to reverse even with one.
But few little things might help
1. position it straight and then reverse with a little bit more momentum - umpf
2. bit more of gravel under wheels will help. Crew made it around 4th minute but he left the prepared spot, not sure why.
3. a little winch/tug-car inside to pull him in would also help
I'd have though the Fins would have some snow experience and have a mechanical grit spreader treat the whole ramp area before the ferry arrives. Just doing strips makes it difficult for a truck to reverse as they need extra room to steer the trailers.
On the construction sites I worked on in the UK wherever possible an in - out gate system would be used to cut down on reverse action on a muddy site.
I live in Finland not sure where is this port but on most have good maintain, kept clear of snow and properly sanded.
Thats why I was baffled when I watched the video. I spent 4 years working in Denmark and they had road snow clearing down to a fine art. Three or four snow ploughs would work in formation, starting in the overtake lane and pushing snow sideways to the next lane and plough, until the road was clear. Great to watch, also when it started snowing cars and trucks would drive off set to the previous vehicle, this would also clear the snow and not form ruts.
The Danes also made great beer and sausage rolls with lots of mustard on.@@niemma2
This is Åland, which normally sees little snow, or at least the least in the State of Finland.
The port authority is responsible for safe loading the snow ice should have been cleared before a single vehicle was aloud on board the ferry
The Mercedes G-Class at the beginning should have just taken over 😂😂
Hehe ze hebben het eindelijk door, gewoon vooruit erop en achteruit eraf..
Hoe moeilijk kan het zijn😂
The port or shop line should have a BIG pile of sand and a skid steer standing by for these conditions ! They are negligent . 👎
Är det brist på sand på Åland ???
Dom sandar ju inte där det behövs eller ?
Nä inte riktigt.
Nei,
Typisk for Finland,
de klarer aldri å gjøre noe riktig.
Rädda för att få in sand* på färjan? 🤔
*Grus i maskineriet. 😁
Mer sand eller typ som sprängmatta skulle kunna användas för att läggas ut, den bör dock fästas för att inte halka iväg. Kätting att kasta under drivhjulet funkar också, hjälpte en litauer som inte kom iväg på plan mark kastade en lyftkätting under. @@MrFinlandsuomi
Sandbrist...
So no one thought it might have been a good idea to put some road salt down on the access ramp so truck's could get on the ferry seen as truck's don't have good grip on slippery surfaces 😂😂😂
Reversing that thing must be like playing two games of chess at the same time.
Yes, he did a good job of reversing even tho it didn't work. Typical calm Scandinavian driver! Does anyone know the origin of the number plate??
It is Ålandian plate.
Полагаю, погрузка производилась в Мариехамне.
they need more trailers 😂
If this was me this video would be closer to 12 days long than 12 minutes.
Throwing handfuls of sand, that’s really going to help!!! Drive on, reverse off…..simple 🤷♂️
That Iveco Eurocargo must be at least 25 years old, they used to steal these and bring them to Russia as these things are great starters in the cold😀
Where You see Iveco Eurocargo in this video?
@@Therearethings8148 The white 7.5 ton truck in the left side of the picture, had one in red and drove all over Europe in it, great loyal truck with 130 HP DTurbo Diesel, small for now but enough for then and with great fuel consumption.
@@Rammstein56 Nice! I hate Iveco. 20 years ago I had luck to drive Turbo Daily bus variant. I was mostly Volvo guy. Volvo is best in winter, on bad broken road and heavy conditions.
Hilarious, all that effort and then he just drives in like the other truck 😂
Simple solution
Schneeketten auf die Antriebs Achse. 😊
Such a big ship and not a winch in sight...
Why don't they salt the ramp ?
At that time there was colder than -10c. Salt doesn't help
What I can see the truck is empty,or having a really light load(the axle is lifted) that’s why he can’t back up. But he’s having good skills.
Axle is lifted to give more load on driving wheels.
While I give credit to that truck driver with great skills, it ONLY took he or the people loading almost 12 minutes to enter the rig NOSE IN!
Spent 16 years driving on and off Ferries trucking from my home in Ireland all over Europe. Right from the start I was thinking why do they not just get him to drive on. Much easier to back off the ship down the ramp in those conditions rather than trying to reverse on. Eventually someone on the ship had some common sense
Seems like they need a huge winch attached to the floor inside the ship and attach it to the back of the rear trailer and use it as assistance to partly pull rather than completely push the trailers in from the cab end ?
På sånadär ställen borde det vara sandat ordentligt.
Man blir bara arg av att titta på denna videon då det inte fungerar som det skall i praktiken.
Håller fullständigt med. Man måste ploga ordentligt och därefter vräka på med sand. Stå där och slänga en näve sand bakom ett av hjulen... löjeväckande!
Ещё надо один прицеп зацепить. Точно!!! Извращенцы😂
was anybody else shouting at the screen, grit the ramp, obv where the issue was when he nearly made it on
where did the small tractor go that was in the first 8 seconds of the video? Should have laid out two nice tracks of sand for the truck and trailer.
Maybe to other ferry. ..
They should’ve had a salt and sand vehicle there
Schneeketten?
Nice trailer setup but shity truck single axel with a snag axel to help you get stuck. No tandems with a dif over there ?
You can order a truck with any drive axle system you want, even 6x6. Tandem drives are mostly used on timber trucks and dump trucks where the system is most needed. This truck obviouly has dif lock, most have.
But here are reasons why the 6x2 version is the most common:
1. Weight. Unlike in America, here you aren't allowed to have more load on a tandem axle where both axles drive than if only one axle drives. Tandem drive axles weigh more and the cargo capacity would decrease.
2. Fuel consumption. More rotating parts means more friction and a higher fuel consumption. It matters on long haul trucks. Also the price and maintaining costs would be higher.
Many 6x2 trucks here in the North Europe have "Robson drives". This is a freely rotating cylinder that is pushed in (by hydraulic or pneumatic pressure) between the driving and the rolling wheels and makes the truck a 6x4 temporary, continuous use would wear out the tires. This is a lighter and cheaper system than a full tandem drive.
Im sorry, the ship is always docking here, why have they not cleared the snow and ice and gritted it.. would have solved all the issues.
Why didn't they just drive in normally to begin with? I've never seen anyone reverse into a ferry? Certainly easier to revers out of it than into it, if you need to exit through the same place.
I've never gone by ferry with truck though, so perhaps I simply don't know how it works. heh.
Я видел Аланды на карте (не самый большой кусок суши)... Там действительно нужны b-train double? 🤔
Its sickest ferry ever. They need backing in ship like years. Make a chip what have both ends ramps.
Warum nicht vorwärts rauf?Aber am anfang schon.😂
The port crew did not prepare the ground with salt and sand. Too bad.
Very minor problem. There is not usually snow at all. 12 min is nothing.
Im wondering how much, and how fast the stern of Grace would have lovered, if it would arrage more ballastwater from bow to stern🤔 The last part of pier is also pontoon, so trucks weight will lover the pontoon and the ramp, but not (yet) the ship, making it even more difficult...seafarers, pls comment....
Trying to make a segmented truck back up into a ferry? Just what the hell were they smoking and where can I score some?🤣
It isn't dark or raining so, not all bad news.
Those idiots should have prepared the surface before that truck tried to get on the ship.
One would think that someone would figure out a way for the heavy trucks pulled straight into the parking garage and then turn around.
why throw grit at the wheels they should have throwing it on the ramp
I simply don't understand it took 12 minutes to decide that one truck with two trailers would not be able to push them uphill with only one driving axle. It can be "procedures", "rules", "load-unload easier", but in no way that thing was going to reverse on such a steep ramp. The second truck has tandem drive and was sliding to start leveled... And the "sand team" utterly uncompetent. One handful of sand? Seriously? Good for the driver who decided to board forward, but he could have saved 12 minutes of clutch.
youd think they prepared for things like that, just use salt 10mins before work starts and youre fine for the whole day
Those b-links are horrible in winter..
2:00 says it all...
😂 yes....and 2:11😂
All them axles with a single drive would be a pain. It’s bad enough with 5 axles.
Could they not have a gritter on hire for such situations?
This port seems a bit clueless
Aikamoista puuhastelua.
What a gong show …. Invest in a grit spreader
Unless the driver was new and decided to move facing forward instead.
That took you waste of space people long to work that out.. It was not going to go regardless how much you stood around throwing stuff at the tyres :D
Impressed but not professional from the harbor authorities not to clean or go around with gravel.
when all vehicles make it onto the ferry with ease there's no reason why they should remove all the snow and ice. Especially when many vehicles are equipped with studded tires ...
They'd put gravel or sand only in places where it's absolutely neede d
These are alot harder to reverse than a 45ft trailer .
Он виснет не седле когда забирается.
A Finnish truck (which is believed to see snow quite often) of this size and configuration - with just one driven axle? OMG.
And I can tell you that with the last axle lifted it has more traction than if it would have been a 6x4 with no liftable rear axle. I have driven both of them.
if you google company is not even from Finland, also license plate is not Finnish.
this is a volvo, they can be had with 6x4 and a lift axle. probably the most common figuration where i live
@@ivarmarkusson382 Yeah Volvo have this tandem bogie axle with an optional lift-and-disengage function, also scania have it.
Some ones doesnt see it as necessary when buying truck or the or the truck was bought before those B-Trailers.
@@niemma2 The truck is from Finland, from Åland.
Maybe these 2 trucks ,Aland bäck port out to boarwalk.?.Too much ica ramps no lon ice, an one axel drive an douwnhill drive by reverse gear
I mean difficult uphill reverse gear,no gravel on ice-
Oishan tossa joutanu kuski jo hiekotella valmiiks lauttaa odotellessa
There's two drive axles why struggle with one. The second truck had the second drive axle down and after all that let's drive it in instead.
Put you drive wheels down at truck , reverse in the middle and fux it inside the boat
The drive wheels are down. The lift axle on this truck isn't a drive axle.
Why the driver didn’t do it in the first place.
You might think the people who are maintaining the pier where the ferry lands would have had that area free of snow long before that big truck backs onto the ferry. The truck driver didn't help himself either by twisting and turning like that too
It doesn't seem to me he or she wiggled it because he liked it, it is because unit was slipping to the side under throttle. Common situation when you try to speed up on slippery.
Pier preparation grade -1000, total crap
@@jestestuman I have driven big trucks before so I knew what he was going through. I don't think the ground crew knew how do do their jobs and also they were trying to hurry him up. When you are in that position backing a very large vehicle hurrying is the last thing you should be doing. If the truck gets damaged someone is usually out of a job.
not all countries would try to get rid of every tiny bit of snow like e.g. Germany would do it ...
Why didn't the driver drive in front first as soon as he started spinning his drive wheels. And the actions of the fe4y staff wasn't very helpful either,
This suggestion has not yet popped up surprisingly in the comments, probably lost in the bunch, Lol. Not even among the top comments.
Cause ferry crew tells you how they want you onboard. It's not drivers decision.
@@ilkkak3065 I've just read a comment from the video uploader insisting that other different ferries operate differently, and that shouldn't happen if they have a union to safeguard safety protocols. Very nonchalant way of doing things
😂😂😂
like the first time the viking personell encounter snow, embarassing
Why not just go in cabin first from the beginning in such wathe?
My theory is that this ferry at first is going from Åland to Stockholm where they unload it from the bow - and then to Turku where this truck is going. In Turku they unload the ship from the stern, so the truck is ready for it.
But there's a hole in this theory too. I think the ship would go via Åland too when it returns from Stockholm so this is still a mystery.
😂
What a unprofessional people they are 😂
Common sense kicked in FINALLY ! 🤦♂
Jeesh! Where would we be without the truckers? Yet so often taken for granted, as are the farmers.
That truck is too long...its not driving on a desert and with EU roads is just a pain in the azz for everyone.
Why not just drive forward? Like the other unit did. He did eventually, just wasted time trying to reverse.
Это сколько надо было водителю голову е...ть, чтобы понять, что машина не заедет задом???