Why is nobody talking about the glass on the bumper? The prostitution theory is John was holding a cup when he was hit by the car and part of the broken glass from that cup was recovered from the bumper of KR's car. However most of the glass recovered from the bumper didn't match the cup that was found at the scene. Only one piece did match....... Where did the rest of the glass come from? It's not like glass is a normal thing to find on the bumper of a car. So how is there glass from multiple sources on KR's bumper? Did someone pick up glass from the ground (pretty normal to find glass from multiple sources on the ground) and place it on the bumper? Seems like the most logical conclusion.
The shirt was not shredded. It was cut by the EMTs. It’s the very shirt that had plastic fragments from Karen’s tail light in bedded in it!! Follow the trial and you will learn the facts.
I worked At Labcorp for 4years, NEVER had a case where evidence was held nearly 2 months, after an incident. EMT’s didn’t cut the arm sleeve! They cut straight up the middle with one cut. O’keefe was dressed in a puffer coat that wasn’t even his! You’re obviously bias to the Albert family. I’m certain their son was involved.
@@SadAmerica1434thank you. I was wondering if it took 6 weeks for evidence to make it to lab. And, yes, they cut straight up the middle to get the leads on
@@williamfield6285 most of the red and clear plastic pieces from Karen’s tail light was found the morning after she ran him over, the snow had started to melt!
I dont understand how ppl still think she hit him , how fast was she going? Preety fast to break her taillight, not one person leaving that residence saw a body , looks like bite or scratch marks on his arm his injuries dont match a vehicle strike , they sold the home , they rehomed the dog , they all got new phones , the technology was faulty how many times ?? Butt dials ? No secure crime scene, waiting yrs to talk to witnesses, days before a trial , missing time on sally port video , changing up their testimony from previous testimony, but karen is the only one who has lied? Ive seen so many cases where they go around neighborhoods to ask for home cameras, not in this case ? Not one neighbor had a home camera? This whole investigation was shoddy , why bc police were involved, this is how they work, dont believe this , its right in my criminal justice college book , thin blue line , protect each other at all costs , karens demeanor may not be pleasing but i cant understand how anyone thinks she hit him , it seems more like a cover up in my opinion, why ? Who knows ? there is a history of problems with the nephew and she was messing around with one of the other officers , anything could have transpired with alcohol involved , i dont think all of the witnesses are being honest, body language says a lot
PROSECUTION ATTEMPTING TO USE SNAKEOIL HERE WITH THE GLASS PIECES WOWOWOW.... THE WITNESS ALSO JUST PLAYED ALONG WITH PROSECUTION AND THEN BABBLING WOW
What are the odds they collected that many pieces considering how the pieces were found and collected? Sometimes its about what you are seeing and what is probable. Just a thought.
Where’s that Loilopo person who said KR is guilty b/c of the tail light?? What ya got to say now? I wonder why the took the comments off from that day. Hmmmm. They just up and disappeared
Hi Joel! My final thoughts...LOL. The world should know that without your show with the BEST GUESTS, people including me would have already stopped watching this case!! But because you painstakingly decipher these cases so intelligently we appreciate you!! And you are not doing your mother wrong! i'm Jewish and love her and she deserves all this attention to her life!!! Please never give up helping us laymen out here!
Yes, they know that the 27 pieces of tail lights that were from Karen’s Lexus, she claimed that she broke them when she backed into John’s car, but that was a lie because the tail light was already broken from when she hit him with her car!! if you’ve been following along like I have, you would’ve known that she’s lied over and over again, the truth doesn’t change!!
@@Nancy-s8z she sure does!! ..she’s laughing and smiling, and several times she has turned around to talk and look at her family, it’s despicable behavior right in front of John’s family, and it speaks volumes about her character!!!
I start watching this from the get go my opinion its a police cover up its conspiracy dirty cop poor karen she blame for what happen I'm kinda lost faith in the justice system most of all the bad cop dirty cop
@@keriissovery9566 I think trooper Proctor is a complete idiot,.. how could he not know they would take his phone?? and I agree I cannot believe people actually think Karen is innocent!! There is no other plausible person who could’ve committed this crime and yes, the police did a terrible job investigating. Not to mention the fact that Karen has lied so many times but so did Casey Anthony. The only thing that might save Karen is reasonable doubt! But I’ve never once believed she was innocent… She’s not a good woman. She deserves the maximum sentence.
@@Liljodi I completely agree. Her lawyer is good. All he had to do is say corruption and people have gone mad. It’s like the facts don’t matter. They went right along with their bs defense story. I’m nervous because I really think she’s gonna get off. The jury was shocked with how Proctor handled this case. I am too but the facts are the facts.
Odd how you facts don’t lie people, don’t have facts. 1. Highly unlikely a person can drive in reverse in the snow that fast and hit someone, 2. She also was drunk. 3. He would had to stand there to be hit. 4. The behavior of all in the house, just imagine having partied with your friends at a bar, next morning someone say hey your friends is out on the lawn looks like he was hit by a car. You, a first aide trained person, don’t come out of the house for your friend. Explain that to me. She failed his phone 14 times and claims she butt dialed him? The phones, the dog. Lots of facts that you apparently don’t care for. Ring video missing, Sallie port video reversed, missing time. Sure all just coincidence. Magic hair on vehicle from the same storm, rode 60 miles in 48 hours.
Too many pieces for hit a person look like she hit a elephant all those terrible too much Game too much drama they don't know what's too do but the true need to come out she don't do that murder some else did it and no just one person is few people in this terrible terrible no Good this can happend to any body belive or not no trust
The short haired blonde forensic scientist is playing dumb and stalling, not wanting to say it was Proctor who turned evidence in but Yanetti dragged it out of her. Good job defense team.
The defense team are nothing but a bunch of bullies, they know their client is guilty! There is no other plausible person who could’ve committed this crime other than Karen, and every day we’re learning more and more about her lies!! Steadily praying for John O’Keefe’s family!!
If today didn’t solidify it that Karen is completely guilty I don’t know what’s wrong with y’all!! Karen’s tail light Was already broken when she said she had hit John‘s car and she was completely drunk. She drank about 10 Tito’s and vodkas... I’ve always from the beginning, felt as though Karen is guilty and today was the proof!! Hoping for justice for John O’Keefe and his family!!
she’s admitted to the drinking since the beginning. What about the other drunk people? I went into this assuming she WAS guilty. Until all the facts started coming out. It’s very obvious something fishy went on. With that entire police crew + family. If you can’t see that, I’m not going to debate it with you.
@@Mmeeks187 I haven’t missed one minute of this trial, she has been lying all along, first She said she left John at the restaurant then she said she dropped him off at the house and watched him walk in the house and then she said she didn’t watch him walk in the house. The people in the house saw her SUV out front, who else hit John O’Keefe if she didn’t.??? How Did her taillight end up around his body and embedded in his clothing? How did the glass end up embedded in his clothing? How did they find the straw that was in his glass from the waterfall next to his body? There is no other plausible person who could have committed this crime. Let me guess you think the people in the house beat him to death? Really they were all friends of his. Maybe you should go back and rewatch and gain a little knowledge before you comment and respond. 🤦🏻♀️
@@Mmeeks187 you don’t have to debate with me, let’s finish watching the trial and you’ll see, the truth never changes, her story has changed over and over again,.. I’ll admit the police didn’t do a great job, but if you watched, she had said in the past that she broke her tail light when she backed into John’s car, but if you seen the video today, the tail light was already broken at that time, so how did she break her tail light??? Use a little common sense!!! don’t go on emotion. Pay attention to the facts.
@@Liljodi I’ve watched ONLY the trial footage. And haven’t googled or read into either side theory. Guess we’ll wait and see how the jury sees it. But regardless, the investigation for their deceased “friend” was done in the most piss poor, half assed way. And that’s indisputable.
Prosecutors couldn’t even manufacturer evidence correctly 😂😂😂😂
So sick of watching the judge do the prosecutors job for them
How so?
THAT LIGHT WAS HIT WITH A TOOL .. NO WAY A BODY AT A SLOW SPEED CAN BREAK THAT GLASS HOPE THE EXPERTS COME IN AS TO THE THICKNESS AND BREAK ABILITY
Because it isn’t glass…it is poly carbonate…plastic
Why is nobody talking about the glass on the bumper? The prostitution theory is John was holding a cup when he was hit by the car and part of the broken glass from that cup was recovered from the bumper of KR's car. However most of the glass recovered from the bumper didn't match the cup that was found at the scene. Only one piece did match....... Where did the rest of the glass come from? It's not like glass is a normal thing to find on the bumper of a car. So how is there glass from multiple sources on KR's bumper? Did someone pick up glass from the ground (pretty normal to find glass from multiple sources on the ground) and place it on the bumper? Seems like the most logical conclusion.
😅😅😅 ‘The prostitution”??? Lol
The Ultimate Karen of all time! Guilty as hell.
You know it shoddy work if the CW has to continually object to a basic chain of custody form. They know something isn't right.
His shirt is torn to shreds no car would do that a Dog on the other hand would
The shirt was not shredded. It was cut by the EMTs. It’s the very shirt that had plastic fragments from Karen’s tail light in bedded in it!! Follow the trial and you will learn the facts.
I worked At Labcorp for 4years, NEVER had a case where evidence was held nearly 2 months, after an incident. EMT’s didn’t cut the arm sleeve! They cut straight up the middle with one cut. O’keefe was dressed in a puffer coat that wasn’t even his! You’re obviously bias to the Albert family. I’m certain their son was involved.
@@williamfield6285 apparently you need to go back and rewatch the first 21 days of this trial, knowledge is key!!!
@@SadAmerica1434thank you. I was wondering if it took 6 weeks for evidence to make it to lab. And, yes, they cut straight up the middle to get the leads on
@@williamfield6285 most of the red and clear plastic pieces from Karen’s tail light was found the morning after she ran him over, the snow had started to melt!
I dont understand how ppl still think she hit him , how fast was she going? Preety fast to break her taillight, not one person leaving that residence saw a body , looks like bite or scratch marks on his arm his injuries dont match a vehicle strike , they sold the home , they rehomed the dog , they all got new phones , the technology was faulty how many times ?? Butt dials ? No secure crime scene, waiting yrs to talk to witnesses, days before a trial , missing time on sally port video , changing up their testimony from previous testimony, but karen is the only one who has lied? Ive seen so many cases where they go around neighborhoods to ask for home cameras, not in this case ? Not one neighbor had a home camera? This whole investigation was shoddy , why bc police were involved, this is how they work, dont believe this , its right in my criminal justice college book , thin blue line , protect each other at all costs , karens demeanor may not be pleasing but i cant understand how anyone thinks she hit him , it seems more like a cover up in my opinion, why ? Who knows ? there is a history of problems with the nephew and she was messing around with one of the other officers , anything could have transpired with alcohol involved , i dont think all of the witnesses are being honest, body language says a lot
Thank you I agree and I've seen nothing in her demeanor that shows guilt.
THE ONLY JUDGE TO DISRUPT DEFENCE QUESTIONING WITH TRIVIAL BULLSHIT CONSTANTLY
PROSECUTION ATTEMPTING TO USE SNAKEOIL HERE WITH THE GLASS PIECES WOWOWOW.... THE WITNESS ALSO JUST PLAYED ALONG WITH PROSECUTION AND THEN BABBLING WOW
What are the odds they collected that many pieces considering how the pieces were found and collected? Sometimes its about what you are seeing and what is probable. Just a thought.
Where’s that Loilopo person who said KR is guilty b/c of the tail light?? What ya got to say now? I wonder why the took the comments off from that day. Hmmmm. They just up and disappeared
Hi Joel! My final thoughts...LOL. The world should know that without your show with the BEST GUESTS, people including me would have already stopped watching this case!! But because you painstakingly decipher these cases so intelligently we appreciate you!! And you are not doing your mother wrong! i'm Jewish and love her and she deserves all this attention to her life!!! Please never give up helping us laymen out here!
??? I'M CONFUSED DIDN'T SOMEONE REVERSE AND BREAK THE TAILLIGHT WASNT THAT SOMEWHERE BEFORE THIS .THen its not broken in video then this..
OMG this ironic hipster that looks like Alfred E. Neuman is driving me nuts with the laughter after every answer.
Watching the ummmm girl testimony was painful.
Pmsl I was thinking the same you are a rascal
GLASS EXPERT KEEPS ON LOOKING OVER AT PROSECUTION WOWOW ...SNAKEOIL
Damn! Calm down. She’s nervous. You hear corruption and right away everyone’s guilty 🙄
Do these broken pieces of tail light have any manufacturers numbers to ID parts from their Lexus Vehicle's.
Are you referring to the fragments of the taillight that were embedded in his clothing?
Yes, they know that the 27 pieces of tail lights that were from Karen’s Lexus, she claimed that she broke them when she backed into John’s car, but that was a lie because the tail light was already broken from when she hit him with her car!! if you’ve been following along like I have, you would’ve known that she’s lied over and over again, the truth doesn’t change!!
Karen always has a smug look on her face
@@Nancy-s8z she sure does!! ..she’s laughing and smiling, and several times she has turned around to talk and look at her family, it’s despicable behavior right in front of John’s family, and it speaks volumes about her character!!!
@@Liljodiok, cousin Jodi, what did Karen lie about, you keep saying she lied over and over,without telling what she lied about. Say tell us.
I start watching this from the get go my opinion its a police cover up its conspiracy dirty cop poor karen she blame for what happen I'm kinda lost faith in the justice system most of all the bad cop dirty cop
Poor Karen? Have you been watching this trial all along? She has been lying, her story has changed several times, and the truth never changes.
@@LiljodiI can’t take how many people think she’s innocent because they butchered this case. She’s gonna get off because Proctor is an idiot.
@@keriissovery9566 I think trooper Proctor is a complete idiot,.. how could he not know they would take his phone?? and I agree I cannot believe people actually think Karen is innocent!! There is no other plausible person who could’ve committed this crime and yes, the police did a terrible job investigating. Not to mention the fact that Karen has lied so many times but so did Casey Anthony. The only thing that might save Karen is reasonable doubt! But I’ve never once believed she was innocent… She’s not a good woman. She deserves the maximum sentence.
@@Liljodi I completely agree. Her lawyer is good. All he had to do is say corruption and people have gone mad. It’s like the facts don’t matter. They went right along with their bs defense story. I’m nervous because I really think she’s gonna get off. The jury was shocked with how Proctor handled this case. I am too but the facts are the facts.
Odd how you facts don’t lie people, don’t have facts. 1. Highly unlikely a person can drive in reverse in the snow that fast and hit someone, 2. She also was drunk. 3. He would had to stand there to be hit. 4. The behavior of all in the house, just imagine having partied with your friends at a bar, next morning someone say hey your friends is out on the lawn looks like he was hit by a car. You, a first aide trained person, don’t come out of the house for your friend. Explain that to me. She failed his phone 14 times and claims she butt dialed him? The phones, the dog. Lots of facts that you apparently don’t care for. Ring video missing, Sallie port video reversed, missing time. Sure all just coincidence. Magic hair on vehicle from the same storm, rode 60 miles in 48 hours.
Too many pieces for hit a person look like she hit a elephant all those terrible too much Game too much drama they don't know what's too do but the true need to come out she don't do that murder some else did it and no just one person is few people in this terrible terrible no Good this can happend to any body belive or not no trust
How much longer is this circus going on for?
6 weeks to get the clothes to the lab? Is that normal?
I don’t think she is quilts, too many missing pieces, and lies
The attorney for the CW seems lazy to process..objection..for what??? Eg
I think judge siding quasi openly with the state..
The short haired blonde forensic scientist is playing dumb and stalling, not wanting to say it was Proctor who turned evidence in but Yanetti dragged it out of her. Good job defense team.
😂😂
There are 100s of people involved in this conspiracy, wow😮
The defense team are nothing but a bunch of bullies, they know their client is guilty! There is no other plausible person who could’ve committed this crime other than Karen, and every day we’re learning more and more about her lies!! Steadily praying for John O’Keefe’s family!!
It took him a minute, huh. But she finally came out w it.
@@Liljodiwrong
Lally is sooooo boring!!!
Yes, putting the jury and us all to sleep.
Um, um, um, um....
Karen is so guilty.
Why does Karen constantly stare at her lawyer? When he’s questioning someone and even when he’s sitting next to her.
Well, she doesn't.
If today didn’t solidify it that Karen is completely guilty I don’t know what’s wrong with y’all!! Karen’s tail light Was already broken when she said she had hit John‘s car and she was completely drunk. She drank about 10 Tito’s and vodkas... I’ve always from the beginning, felt as though Karen is guilty and today was the proof!! Hoping for justice for John O’Keefe and his family!!
Say what?? lol
You must not be watching the same coverage I have
she’s admitted to the drinking since the beginning. What about the other drunk people?
I went into this assuming she WAS guilty. Until all the facts started coming out.
It’s very obvious something fishy went on. With that entire police crew + family.
If you can’t see that, I’m not going to debate it with you.
@@Mmeeks187 I haven’t missed one minute of this trial, she has been lying all along, first She said she left John at the restaurant then she said she dropped him off at the house and watched him walk in the house and then she said she didn’t watch him walk in the house. The people in the house saw her SUV out front, who else hit John O’Keefe if she didn’t.??? How Did her taillight end up around his body and embedded in his clothing? How did the glass end up embedded in his clothing? How did they find the straw that was in his glass from the waterfall next to his body? There is no other plausible person who could have committed this crime.
Let me guess you think the people in the house beat him to death? Really they were all friends of his. Maybe you should go back and rewatch and gain a little knowledge before you comment and respond. 🤦🏻♀️
@@Mmeeks187 you don’t have to debate with me, let’s finish watching the trial and you’ll see, the truth never changes, her story has changed over and over again,.. I’ll admit the police didn’t do a great job, but if you watched, she had said in the past that she broke her tail light when she backed into John’s car, but if you seen the video today, the tail light was already broken at that time, so how did she break her tail light??? Use a little common sense!!! don’t go on emotion. Pay attention to the facts.
@@Liljodi I’ve watched ONLY the trial footage. And haven’t googled or read into either side theory. Guess we’ll wait and see how the jury sees it. But regardless, the investigation for their deceased “friend” was done in the most piss poor, half assed way. And that’s indisputable.
Procter