What Are Ken Holland And The Edmonton Oilers Doing?
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2021
- Steve, Jesse and Adam discuss some of the decisions made by the Oilers surrounding the expansion draft and share their thoughts on them. Is adding Zach Hyman the right call?
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Whenever I see a Leafs or Oilers announcement, I instinctivly hear the "Curb your enthusiasm" music in my head.
At least with the leafs, 1/5 of the times or so, its them doing the fleecing
Like with the expansion. They effectively lost nothing except hallander and a 7th
@@algrundau9441 ok and? I litterally said 1 out of every 5 trades he makes is good, implying 4 out of 5 are bad. Youre not teaching me anything new
@@algrundau9441 not even close. All you got right is the country and the main color of the jersey
@@algrundau9441 oh
What i hear is the sad price is right bum bum bum wail down on price right lol
Yzerman got Nedalkovic out of Carolina for Bernier and a Third rounder this year. Had to pick myself up off the floor reading that
that has to be one of the most head scratching trades i've seen in a while
Biased because of Barrie's year in Toronto
What do you boys think about Hyman in EDM now???
The genius of Ken Holland is that he still has a job.
I don't like all his moves but he's drastically improved the Oilers after coming in with no cap and no picks
100% better than chiarreli he’s made some good moves
Lol 👍
@@lukejaffray2518 What moves? I am a wings fan and have now sat and watched well over a decade of bonehead moves from him
@@CC-of5xl drastically might be a tad much. improved? sure.
You three are seriously missing the point on Hyman. Forget Hamilton. The Oilers need a top six forward to play with McDavid. That’s Holland’s number one priority and it needs to be addressed. Term is a bit long, but Hyman is a good fit.
Athanasiou wasn't good enough for you guys? SHEESH! Ungrateful! Only cost two Second Rounders and Sam Gagne!
@@andreinekrasov2036 McDrai couldn't keep up to AA unfortunately
Hyman will look good sure...for maybe a year or two? If he doesnt get injured of course. He also wont produce at a 5.5-6 million level at all even in that span. The team wouldve been better off trading for a 5 million top 6 winger who actually produces like it, or going after a different free agent. Going after the most hyped free agents usually results in overpayment, and the deals on the table really are that.
Hymans numbers are inflated due to playing with Matthew's and Marner. Hyman is a crash the boards and net kinda player. Will definitely be interesting to see if he meshes with McDavids pace of play.
@@wilsarne1253 Pat Maroon was ridiculously slow and he fit in great with Conner. Hyman will do just fine
Adam Larsson’s dad passed away in his apartment in Edmonton it didn’t have anything to do with money.
He was crying in his apartment, and the Klefboms situation and the poor Swede wanted out, took less money the ……
Well, that's a good question.
I'm really excited to watch Toronto win a playoff series next year................................................................................................................................................................................................................... if you count the dots that's the amount of years since Toronto won a cub.
Ken Holland is an absolute genius. He traded for Chris Chelios 28 years ago... need I say more?
Lol still got miles on him in detroit though. Still helped a lot before he did on move in that won a ton and thats the BS trade. Not the bullshit the brad stuart trade, gave them lid, rafalski knowall , bs pairing, with chris playing on third line with upcoming or a sixth man while not being heavily exposed.
@@lancenorman2632 He’s has been horrible since the installation of the salary cap
@@lancenorman2632 you’re still talking about trades that occurred one and a half decades ago. His Frans Nielsen, David Booth, and Darren Helm contracts are more relevant considering we’re just now regrouping from them.
KEN Holland really loves those long contracts doesn't he, hf.
No flippin way oilers are getting Hamilton. They still have to resign depth forwards and a winger for mcdavid and a 3rd line center. They have no cap space for one player. We need multiple players. Holland already wasted cap space on keith.
Resigning nurse is key next season and bear and puljujarvi. Let's not spend all our cap space so we can't resign anybody in the future.
There’s internal choices for 3 C, Mcloed, I wouldn’t be surprised at the prospect of the line being brought up as a unit in Marody-McLoed-Benson, they were the hottest line in The Whole AHL last season. We need a shut down lid to take Larson the poor baby’s spot. We have some good pieces on D so sign Barry and a replacement for Larson. The Oilers aren’t in as bad a situation the nay saint doomsday guy
@@BobbyV0221 it's tough to rely on a young guy for a 3rd line center but he's been really good in the 10 games he played. It would just be better to have a more experienced defensive center for the 3rd line. Denault would be amazing.. but he would be too much probably.
With our current d situation with bear and bouchard.. we might need to say goodbye to barrie and get savard for a more defensive defenseman type who could play with keith. There is a couple good options. We need one that could kill penalties. Bear and bouchard defensively? Eh..
@@brendanfoster8308 agreed, I’ve read so many different scenarios, but with the way the kid played shows he can do it, but for a whole season, crazier thangs have happened. We gotta get rid of the big Finn, and grab a goalie that can be 1a in case smith goes south on the team. They could be used as a full foothold line, Bensons learned PK in Bakersfield. The next month or so will be very interesting to see what Holland does. So many nay sayers and doomsday sayers say we are going to fall into a hockey sinkhole! The futures bright for Oilers
@@BobbyV0221 honestly the negativity has to stop. The oilers still have 2 of the best players in the game and have some cap space to boot. Ya they could run mcloed. It's a gamble that could pay off. He's got nhl boots for sure.
I really hope benson or marody takes the next step this season. Benson is a fan favorite but he hasn't had the speed like mcleod has.
I heard reports that oilers are in on that ullmark guy and potentially even kuemper. I would love either option for like 4 or 5 million for a couple years.. for 8 would be a questionable move hahaha. Kuempers been under .900 save percentage once in his career and ullmark was a solid goalie on the worst team in the nhl 😂. Pretty impressive.
@@brendanfoster8308 Agree with it all, I too would love either goalie, but I wonder about the Russian kid Ilya Konovalov, he’s been the top rookie, in KHL, has had very good numbers, size is only 5’10” but lightning quick and agile, another Irbe? I can’t wait for rookie camp, Lavoie is close, Savoie is another interesting player who needs to pass the eye test, Blumel’s coming across the pond to Condors, Benson progressed massively last year, he’s worked of his skating, been physical and scores. Marody, Benson and McLoad a forth line with scoring potential, they were incredible in the minors, it’s not unheard of to promote the whole line to the big team. I think they saw that and may try it, especially early in camp. Hopefully Hyman signs, Benson and Marley sign, Skinner too took a major step this past year, it was fun to watch him. When he first got got back after his first game with the Oil, he dropped a number of games then went on a goon run to the conference final becoming ‘champs. Nemilinen looked real good and. He’s got a wing span too lol! I’m hoping some of the kids make big strides during the rookie camp, into the main camp and get a game or two, give them a taste of the bigs and send them down. It’s so refreshing that there IS a prospect pool, on the same team, was so missing for a long time
Dang Steve...a month ago you were crying over the idea of losing Hyman over not being able to fit his salary request within the Leaf budget. Now you are judging another team for signing him, a team that actually does have the cap space.
Dubas it has been said offered Hyman 8yrs at 4m per. You'd have been ok with that I bet. So the Oilers offer him a million more (because they can) and you get all wiggy about it?
You really should just focus on your inept Leafs and their woes before even considering judging other teams and what they are doing. Frankly, your opinions on how to win, or what it takes to win mean absolutely nothing until YOU have actually experienced and/or witnessed your own team winning.
Finally, 8 years at 5 million is definitely an over-pay for Hyman. My bet is that he will help considerably over the next 4 years and possibly become a big piece in getting the Oilers to the finals again (would be the 8th time in 40 years btw) and really, isn't that what it's all about? Oh, you don't know that feeling? Perhaps trading your jersey for a Kraken jersey will help because they will be in the finals long before your Leafs will.
what are the oilers doing,lol what are the Leafs getting back from the oilers for signing Hyman.
Nothing nada zilch...
@@belledorris1973 sign and trade, they’ll get something
If lucky a 6th rounder or a LTIR player....
@@belledorris1973 exactly
The leafs gave him permission to talk to other teams and he signed a deal because of it, its not a sign & trade
If you heard that Ken Holland was a genius, you sure as hell didn't hear it from a Detroit fan.
This man speaks the truth
He brought 4 Stanley cups to Detroit.
@@garettryan8306 he didn't architect those rosters by himself
@@garettryan8306 Jimmy devellano and others built that 20 year run. Holland rode on the coattails.
Anybody remember Holland's sometimes less is more speech? Didn't he even mention that if you expect Stanley cups every year you are in the wrong business? That presser was gold.
you only need Hyman for half that term. deal with the other years later. they need to win while they still have their scoring machines. sign him up
@@iamtheboredlife9915 dont compare ovi playing in washington to mcdavid playing in edmonton. There was always some success in washington. Edmonton just flat out sucks ass year after year. In 1-2 years connor and his dad will definitely demand a trade.
Except that those scoring machines are like in their early 20's lol
It feels really good to be able to listen to people talk about Ken Holland's questionable decisions as a spectator, rather than having it happen to my team now. Even after 2 years, I'm still getting used to it.
Jesse is all slicked up!
LOL
As a Red Wings fan, Edmonton is going thru everything we did after we lost the Stanley Cup in 09. Holland signed long contracts with restricting movement clauses while trading away draft picks and prospects to acquire aging players in the hoping of one last run. Ken Holland has not been good for a long time.
He traded Andrei Vasilevky for Kyle Quincey 😭 Signed Stephen Weiss and then Frans Nielson to play 2C(those two moves right there should have disqualified him from every GM job in the world lol) Im not even gonna get into the contracts he handed out to our own guys. Also one signature Bonehead Kenny move: NTC's for everybody!😂 What Im most mad about is how he dragged the rebuild this far. Thanks to him WE ARE STILL REBUILD MODE. We started our rebuild about 3 years too late. Thanks for the memories Kenny! Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Welp… they just got Hyman
HAHAHAHAHA
This is a major L for both teams.
Leafs might be losing Hyman but Oilers are going to sign him for 8 years ! Are you kidding me!? This contract is not going to age well at all
@@kakarotblake it’ll be fine.
@@kakarotblake almost as bad as the tavares contract.
@@isidro9911 Lol it's easily worse.
Everyday I wake up and thank the lord that Ken Holland is no longer in this town. His resume keeps getting him opportunities but the game has passed him by.
i know, why throw an alternate on the fourth line who fights? other than giving a boost to the team, and only playing 3 minutes a game anyway, why not?
No one signed as of yet, so.... everyone can just relax
Oilers can't be spending 7-8 million on a defenseman when Nurse and Bear are due for a substantial raise next year. Broberg is coming up too in the next couple years.
Exactly!
@@algrundau9441 he’s making 2 m currently I can see it going to 4. He’s also still young.
@@algrundau9441 I hear you brother.
So for Holland, it's all criticism, but for the Leafs it is about waiting until August fifth before you do that?
The most valuable commodity in the NHL is a coachable player. Any coachable player.
This is like Abdelkader 2.0 for Bonehead Kenny. I've watched him destroy my Wings with illogical contracts for so long. He hands out NTC's like candy. The crazy part is how all us fans can tell a terrible deal that was not gonna end well but somehow it makes sense to Kenny. Thank God for sending us Stevie to resurrect us from Holland's crucifixion lol.
Mark my words. Whoever signs Dougie Hamilton for all the money will instantly regret it in 3-4 years from now.
Why’s that? Genuinely curious haha not trying to call you out. Just would like to know why you feel that way.
@@myquest666420 I feel he's one of the most overrated dmen in the league. I feel he's been protected wherever he's played. He's nowhere near a real #1 shutdown or norris trophy defensemen.
I'll send you boys some cheese. And a box of Kleenex.
This makes a lot of sense for oilers
ROFL Shitty Smitty!!!! That Dude is like Gum stuck to Your Shoe, LOL
Are you talking about Mike Smith? The guy who singlehandedly put edmonton in the playoffs and had no right being as good as he was last season
It wasn't us who said Larsson sucked... it was all the pundits... stop blaming fans for reporters comments.
Adam worry about your hairline
Nhl needs to make once your 37 only let 1 year contracts
Why HEY, Tyson Barrie, we suddenly realized we want you back. How does $6.5milx7yrs sound...?
😭
Seems like the boys in Toronto ran out of things to talk about in T.O. so now their focus has switched to Edmonton..hmmm. maybe they truly are Oilers fans
Larson left Edmonton knowing that his best bud klefbom is not playing back in edm because of his shoulder injury.
Dump Kerfoot & Dermot and you’ve got a Hyman who is much more valuable in my humble opinion!
Dubas signs every player 500k-750k too much it's insane
I think Holland is trying to do a dubas!!! 8 years 11 million per year!!! Book it!!!
Nope. Holland is just being Holland. He wouldn't be the same without crippling long term contracts, NTC's, and illogical moves sprinkled all over.
Im having a hard time wondering where TF did this guy hear Holland was a genius? Definitely not from Detroit fans or any hockey fan that knows how to tie his own shoes lol
Leaf fans discussing and judging other teams.
Hilarity ensues.
Oilers management has looked so bad for so long... the fact they havent had a good goalie that isnt 70 years old for years and refuse to address it is just laughable. They finally looked like they had a good defensive core and top 4 going and then exposed Larsson in order to keep ancient Keith... From Holland's comments and other reporting it seems clear that Larsson wanted out, BUT that in itself is a failure of the team to keep an important player happy. Hyman at 29 with a long and recent injury history along with a hard work playstyle and very unimpressive career stats outside of last year...just isnt worth 5 million for 8 years or 5.5 for 7... he is going to break down long before thats over. He will play hard and be popular in the locker room etc, but thats just too much money wasted.
@@algrundau9441 Smith had his second best career year, and his best season since 2011 at age 39. He absolutely was good, not a top 5 or top 10 but good. 16th HDSV% and HDGSAA, 11th in GSAA, and 12th and 17th in SV% and GAA respectively. Those are good numbers sure, but do you think when its his best season in 9 years following 2 pretty horrible seasons statistically that he will continue at that level for 2 more years at ages 40 and 41? 2 million is great and he played well, but at some point the team needed to have gotten a young goalie that actually has a future on the team. It shouldve been a top priority and hopefully this offseason is when they finally get one. You dont bet on old players to stay healthy and contribute at career high levels into their 40s.
As for Larsson, there is a reason the fan base and media have been furious about losing him for nothing. You dont replace a rugged right sided D that easily and the guy was a warrior for the team. Keith is an upgrade for the 2nd pairing LHD but at 5.5 million and his age thats an absolute waste of cap space given the lack of retention. For people arguing that Keith is better than Jones therefore its a good deal, you CAN upgrade a team and it be a bad move. If you sign Landeskog for 12 million your top line is definitely better but itd be a bad move as you have now wasted money that couldve made the team deeper. I dont think any team would objectively prefer a 39 year old LD Keith making 5.5 million over a 29 year old RD Larsson making 4. Replacing LD is WAY easier than RD, and now the team has a gaping hole they will probably have to pay more than 4 mil to fill. If the Hawks retained salary this is a different conversation.
Given the mismanagement of the cap space Holland now has 9 million left to sign 2 right sided defensemen, another goalie, and multiple forwards. If they get Hyman at 5 (which is lower than all the rumours), then even with a Neal buyout they only have 7.8 to get 2 right sided D and multiple forwards to replace or sign Chiasson, Khaira, Russell, Yamamoto, Kahun (rumor is Kahun and Khaira wont be qualified but I included them anyways). If they buy out Koskinen instead of Neal they have even less money than that.
Odds are that Holland is gone long before an 8 year deal causes them issue.
Makes sense.
Will it work?
Nah. That weak division should get em a playoff birth but that's it. Edmonton is a worse version of Toronto. Poorer defense and goaltending. One line instead of 2.
This did not age well...Hyman leading playoff scoring....Keith was a stop gap for Bouchard who is leading D in playoff scoring and the Oilers 1 win away from a cup final...Smith was a stop gap for Skinner...and the Leafs...still no better off.
Oh lol this didn’t age well, 56 goals this season, 9 in 6 playoff games and best contract in nhl history
Bower won a Stanley Cup at 42. Don't stomp on Mike Smith's dream.
Toronto's fan base is a good enough reason to not want to play in Toronto
When are some of the Oiler fans, or imitations thereof going to support the team? Being an armchair quarterback is nice but totally unrealistic. Most of those who don’t appreciate Ken Holland and his staff work, don’t have a clue of what is involved is even signing a player. Let alone composing a team. We all have wish lists and I can appreciate that, but so much comes into play to have a good / great player sign, and without selling out the assets. I think you would all do well and try to find something positive, support the new players, and staff. I know your all entitled to opinions, but creating a toxic environment for staff and players doesn’t do well for the franchise. We had a lot of success here, but it can’t be every year. Would have loved to keep Larsson and Berry resign, would love to have Klefbaum, Hynman will be a good fit and good value, no denying we need one or two top 6 forwards, but the cost would be too great..don’t kid yourself, this staff works tirelessly and wants to win the cup too, and they don’t have a magic wand. Time for some players to step up, follow their leaders in the off-season so they can be better performers. And finally, in a player like Duncan Keith, you cannot place a value on his experience,what he will contribute on and off the ice. Playing to each and everyone’s capability is what produces a winning team and attitude..that should also come from the fans.
Hyman is an Oiler!!!!!!! 👀👋😖
Oilers fans feeling what Wings fans have felt since 2008/09. Holland is a terrible GM in the cap era.
I'm fargin trying but... I just don't like A. Wilde (he Seems full of himself), and I think Jesse is awesome and Steve? Well despite is love of the '''feuilles d'érable'' I think he is the best!
This video didn't age very well!! Good none of these guys are GM's.
Better than the Leafs lol that's what.
I hope oilers get hamilton so the leafs stay away from another drone.
Oilers would be Cup contenders with Hamilton
What are the Oilers doing? Waiting for the Leafs to get off their ass and make the trade
What an awful take lol this aged well LOL 🤣🤣🤣
Holland is an awful GM he drove detriot into the ground with crippling long term deals and he comes to edmonton and has overpaid on every deal and is burning cap God help edmonton were never going to win
Bonehead Kenny had become one of the most loathed humans in Michigan before Stevie came back to resurrect us from the dead. It really shows much how inept the owners of EDM are to hire this clown.
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Are the oilers making more genius moves? Lol.
NHL, NBA, MLB. American players wants to avoid playing in Canada.
Bottom line is Oilers have now turned a 1st round 1st overall pick (Hall) into....nothing. After years of blaming Larson for most of the teams D problems, suddenly the same fools are very quiet. Nothing changes in ETown.
1st round 1st overall doesn't automatically mean good player hall just isn't good and its not like edmonton can't make good players mcdavid Hopkins and draisatle (drai especially)
@@jackwoodhouse5349 It's good to know that Hall is not good, but was still able to win a scoring title. We need more not good players then.
They turned Hall into 5 years of Adam Larsson. 3 playoffs appearances including a series win after a decade of missing the playoffs and he was a huge part of that. He was a big part of their leadership group. The fan base is justifiably upset he didn’t resign.
That isn’t nothing.
New Jersey, Arizona and buffalo combined didn’t get close to that out of Hall.
@@739jep I get your point, but.. now he's gone, and The Oilers now have NOTHING to show for for him. What happened in the past with him doesn't change the NOW part.
@@Ace96x10 well sooner or later that happens to every player every traded , but yes perhaps a bit too soon for the hall trade to be left with nothing. I don’t think it was mgmts fault in this instance however. Larsson earned his right to go where he wanted , and he wanted a change of scenery for personal reasons that mgmt had no control over.
Larsson did get them extra cap space as well though and it’s difficult to assess how far that went and how it was utilised but I’m sure it helped when signing mcdavid to a 100 million dollar contract.
Regardless I will miss seeing Larsson in an oilers uniform.
LOL, eight year deal for Zach Hyman. Should we start the betting on when that gets bought out?
Lol he's not getting an 8 year deal. 7 would be the very most and that's the most you can sign for as a UFA with another team. No team in the leauge is going to do a sign and trade just so he can get 1 more year
@@zigfield723
If it gets him at a lower AAV (usually the case when a player is seeking a max term which Hyman and his agent have apparently set as their goal) then yeah......a sign and trade makes sense. And make no mistake.......if a sign and trade happens we’re not talking the Leafs getting some top prospect coming back.......would likely be some picks/futures
Hyman would likely easily get over $6M from a few teams if he was willing to do a 4 year deal......but he wants the security of term
@@zigfield723 Hyman could say I won't sign it unless you trade for my rights. Leafs would take probably any deal so get his rights for a 4th Rd pick and then sign him for 8 yrs.
It's brutal from a team perspective but if Hyman wants to put the screws to him he can.
It’s amazing. Ken Holland got worse than Pete Chiarelli in HALF THE TIME!
Larson cant score... sure hes defensive guy but that means hes on the ice when the other team scores... lol hes worth 3 millions
Defensive dmen are hard to find and he was a good one. Canucks lost Chris tanev who was a defensive guy and they got worse defensively. These players are more important than people realize. He’s more important and better than Barrie.
Points are near irrelevant for any non-offensive style defenseman
Adam is a dweeb
Holland is the Biden of GMs....😂
Holland had been delaying a Detroit rebuild for years, trading draft picks for dinosaurs like Legwand (?). Now, he's out to kill the Oilers for good. He's the hockey GM equivalent of Jason from Friday The 13th! He can live off of his post-Bowman, pre-cap record and just won't die. Every time you think he's going away...HE'S BACK!
Meaning he acts like he has dementia. Sounds like someone from Canada is worried about politics. 😂
This has nothing to do with politics.
Hahahahahaha. I mentioned Biden as an example of someone who doesn't have a clue to what they are doing. Nothing political, anyone can see he hasn't got a clue, just like Holland.
Steve is clown period who cares wtf he thinks
Omg plz stop talking about the oilers. You guys have no idea what's going on here. You live in your bubble in Toronto. Keep it that way. Just always bitter little kids evrrytime I see an oilers video from you