What if Grandpa Gohan was a farmer? Plot justification- Roshi's 'Turtle Hermit' training involved manual labor, including plowing fields. Gohan incorporated this into his own physical conditioning and would teach Goku to farm as an aspect of martial arts training. Thus Goku would learn a basic understanding of math, science, grammar, and general knowledge of society (AKA what a girl is) by selling their crops with nearby villages.
@@FallenL1ght_ Yeah if Gohan was 'just' a farmer, he would of likely been baby Kakarot's first victim. But with farming a pseudo-hobby of Goku's parental figure, he should be more rounded person. (Opposed to the Fighting Savant of Canon) If you are so inclined, Gohan's customers could learn of his death and result in Goku getting adopted/orphanage with the 4 Star Ball as a keepsake.
@@huklo6331 How do you figure? Giving kid Goku a 4th grade education would fundamentally change how he interacts with other characters, especially Bulma. How this effects the story depends on the author of the What If, but you would have to actively choose for the change to be nil.
It would probably mean that goku and chichi would probably come to a bit of middle ground when it comes to gohan meaning he would fight a bit more not to the point of becoming the main character but definitely being a lot stronger
Hmm… this is gonna be interesting. Idea/prediction: “Hey brother, if we’re to stand a chance against a Zenkai-boosted Vegeta, and very likely Freiza, we need our tails back. I can train you to control the Great Ape as I do, so it won’t be a problem.”
@@RVGmetallicasaw I meant more in the case of like characters whom become good later, like if the androids get their potentials unlocked... or hell, future trunks or good Majin Buu
Potential Unlock is actually huge. It's the reason Gohan can grow _So Fast_ during intense training. It's also the reason Krillin outgrows Tenshinhan. Potential Unlock breaks down the locks on one's potential, the bottlenecks that create plateaus in growth and requires Limit Break Events
Group gravity training(Raditz will mention something about the gravity) Raditz gets a potential unlock (all of them are stronger anyways) At least a 15x or 20x boost for everyone depending on the time(Goku got 9x boost in 6 days with intense gravity on its own) Zenkais for the saiyans(do I need to give a reason for it?)
Opinion: guru's potential unlock would still be useful as both guru is older thus can probably dig more out of someone, and between kami potential unlock and guru time will have passed. Additionally I would argue this is one of the few abilities piccolo would keep if/when he and kami fuse as it fits piccolo's role as mentor and teacher (basically serves as a way to quickly bring newer casties up to a useful baseline.)
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Kami and King Piccolo Dragon Clan Namekians while Piccolo Jr was born a Warrior Clan member. Thus the reason Jr doesn't have access to many abilities of his father and uncle.
We can also use the argument that it's a different stat besides the unlocker's innate ki, somewhat like magic. that way a fused Kami doesn't just turn people into early BoG level during the Cell saga.
@@sheridanroad2001 That would be correct. It just... FITS his character progression and growth though. If dude decides it can't work even post fusion? there is dende but at the same time.
Because the technique was either a innate ability of guru or a technique that kami never would have learnt as he was sent to earth as Child which is also why his dragon balls could only grant 1 wish
I'm kind of surprised that in the 1 year training you didn't have Goku go train with King Kai. He could have easily made the trip down snake way in less than a day. Unless you're saving it for the next part maybe? All in all I think it's a good beginning.
Glad you are back my brother I have an idea for ya What If Android 16 was rebuilt love to see an Android 16 with the capabilities to become a Versatile Z Fighter
I'm so happy you spared Raditz, so many other what ifs would've came up with some kind of excuse to kill him, but you stay true to the spirit of dragon ball and the spirit of Goku, you know Goku on his feet half strength would've still spared Raditz and would stop Piccolo.
What If Request. What if Gohan drank the Ultra Divine Water before or after entering the Time Chamber with Goku, What if Goku was the first "evolved" Saiyan (like the Universe 6 Saiyan's who are born without a tail and have more potential), What if Kami regained his youth when King Piccolo did, What if Elder Guru fused with Kami before he died, What if Bulma found Androids 13, 14 and 15 used their parts to upgrade Android 16.
BuT GoKu PoWeR LeVeL ShOuLd bE aT 100,000! 😆 This idea really interesting though with Kami been able to unlock people's potential it would definitely come in handy during early DBZ. Nice the Saiyans Saga turned out fine, and it looks like Raditz is turning good here. I'm hoping to see Gohan begin training in the next part (Not going up against Frieza of course) to help defend herself if needed maybe Raditz personally training Gohan some and doubles as a way to get to know each. Anyways overall another really good start to this new series, and looking forward to the next part soon. What if suggestion: What if Gohan was similar to Broly?
Great vid! Excited to see where this goes. I’m hoping training on King Kai’s and Yardrat still happen cus they’re gonna need those skills later on. I wonder if the potential unlock can be improved? Elder Kai’s is way stronger so maybe Kami can train up or fuse with someone to boost it even more?
Amazing idea just struck me. What if Kami went to Namek too! And he meets Guru! And Guru recognizes him because they’re both so old. And Guru unlocks Kamis potential and Piccolos potential. Foreshadowing. When Kami and Piccolo fuse eventually..they’d be stronger than SSJ2 Gohan!
Which obviously that affects things like maybe Gohan won’t need to turn SSJ2 bcuz Piccolo kills Cell. But...what if it makes the dragon balls stronger by Kamis strength growing? And what if Piccolo and Kami fused can still control the dragon balls? And with their strength...the wishes can be bigger. Not held back by the things that he dragon said weren’t in his power..because the dragon should be at least as powerful as the namekian.
Or...last idea. What if Kami used the earths dragon to wish for his youth because he felt the world was in danger with the approaching saiyans? And if he trained in the time chamber with the specific goal of making the dragons wishes stronger. Strong enough to defeat the saiyans with a wish. And the stronger Kami gets, the more the dragon can do.
Hey Bro I loved the story you created definitely interested in seeing a part 2. I really liked the idea of Kami unlocking potential really cool. I can't speak on the whole power scaling cause I never really care too much about it or ever read the Mangas but overall think the story was great especially the end when Goku brings Raditz back to life👍. #whatifkamicouldunlockpotentialpart2#
You're my favourite dragonball Whatif guy like, you have proper structuring, unique assets to each story, proper power scaling which is important for some aspect of dragonball and that sexy voice man, you're just the perfect, too bad u only have 11k subs, I'm surprised by don't have 150k already...
I like the premise a lot. And you made a lot of choices I agree with, like Gohan not being as involved in the fight since he wasn't as needed. I'm interested in seeing where Piccolo's story takes him though, it could be fun if him and Gohan still end up becoming friends. Perhaps Piccolo spying on Goku, keeping an eye on what's going on, and Gohan discovers him and is just kinda like "Hi.." and then their friendship grows from there maybe? Lol, I dunno, but I'm interested in seeing where this goes in the future!
Honestly I like the thought and research you put into your what ifs. And the fact that you reference that guru’s potential unlock is a power up that increases over time not many people understand that
I initially thought the humans power lvls were to high but it does make sense and I'm glad you didn't make Goku super buff to fast. Can't wait to see what happens with raditz in the next part. Great job with this
This is quite fun. Goku beating on Raditz till the Oozaru, defending him against Piccolo, and had the upper hand against the Saiyans for the most part. Also, Raditz getting a redemption arc is a nice plus. This is very beneficial to the Humans since they get a nice headstart in power and don't die. I'm curious what you'll do with Piccolo and Gohan, since those two were major players in the original Saiyan Saga and with the threat of Frieza probably coming to Earth. Always a pleasure to see an upload, Manga. See ya next time around here.
Ngl this was pretty interesting I loved this part 1. My main hope is the humans staying relevant, Piccolo too with their powers unlocked now. Already nearing Ginyu force levels of power.
Okay on the topic of potential, this idea came across my mind, what if Videl had potential equal to Gohan? it's strange but imagine she had that potential and her training through life got her around the strength of someone like Krillin for when they first met and she stays a fighter....
There’s precedent for it. Some members of different races just have unusually high potential for their race. Frieza or Broly for example, and I mean, yeah they were unusual and mutants of their race but who’s to say that Videl couldn’t be similar in terms of potential? Just for humans instead. Excluding that angle, the type of stories and folklore the franchise draws heavy inspiration from is full of once a millennia prodigies “blessed by the heavens” and “strongest under the sun.” (Which is actually the literal translation of Tenkaichi Budokai - “number one under the sun” or “number one under heaven” - so it thematically fits) Pan would be ridiculously powerful and have monstrous natural potential if Videl and Gohan still got together in that case. Enough to truly justify, perhaps, having a God of Destruction and an angel as an uncle/babysitter.
At first like yourself I didn't think much of it, but it turned out to be really intriguing. Wonder just what you will change with these new story beats moving forward.
This is a really fun video, looking forward to part 2. I think Goku having a PL of 30,000 makes sense for the Saiyan Arc in terms of narrative pacing, but I do think you could scale it higher without much effort. I will assume the PL of 2500 the Goku has in the Raditz fight is him in weighted clothing based on how you worded the confrontation, and thus that his true PL would be around 3100. If we use your idea that the average zenkai gives +30%, that would mean Goku should be at a PL of 4000 after he finishes healing. However, we know from within the narrative that he should have also been getting passively stronger from the boost during that period of time. If we use the 1.77x scaling factor you chose here (23000/13000 for Krillin), then Goku should be closer to 7100 after he gets his zenkai. Personally, I think a ~4x improvement in 3 months is a little weak. I can see intense group training getting him to 40,000. If he trains with Piccolo, then the Androids arc shows us that all bets are off (you can argue that fusing with Nail gave Piccolo greater potential, but that's never been proven or stated in any official source). Thus, if Goku train intensely with Piccolo and the post-unlock humans, his power level could probably be scaled anywhere from 40,000-60,000 imo (and maybe 100,000 for those people that are dead set on having a justification for feeling that way).
Yes 2500 is weighted 3000 is unweighted I rounded down the exact number is 3055. Zenkai would round him up to 4,000 overtime growth he would be 7,000 exact number is 7027. How much stronger goku got with piccolo is unknown but we know piccolo at least caught up to around ssj level which is the same logic I used here with goku catching up to the human z fighters. Strongest human I stated was tien at 24,000 so I’m curious why you think 40,000 is a better number plus he never trained with piccolo he only trained with the humans. If you want to say goku caught up by training by himself and using piccolo’s growth he would be 60,000 but at the same time piccolo was clearly image training and his goal was raditz and surpassing him since his Allies were stronger Tldr I can’t see them going higher than 30,000 with no goal in mind goku got that high because his friends were his goal and he surpassed them
hey dude cool vid ive been watching you for a bit could you do a what if were the humans catch up here are a few ideas of mine Tien loves hard work so he goes down the kaio ken route (Above x100 limit) Krillin likes hard work too but... we take the eazy route sometimes so he gets the mystic form Yamcha not knowing what to do just train and one day his wolf fang fist evolved (His new move) was mixed with his neo wolf fang fist making him get absorbed into his aura he comes out in a ssj4 looking transformation but colored like his bright blue wolf fang fist (Main perks puts body into prime age, goku black level ki controll, and allows him to use the ulltmate wolf fang fist cut text rest in replys
Chaitzu (yes im going there) gets training with the kais and gains magic powers including kai kai and healing and telekinesis What happended to my text I have no idea during the universe 6 tournament (no chaitzu : ( sage) they take a page from each other yamcha goes with kaio ken with his wolf form, tien trys to get yamchas form but cant but gets a form that is kaio ken x20 strong with no strain and that ki control yamcha has (Its better than reaguler when he first got it) and krillin gets the kaio ken chaitzu gets mystic cause why not elder kai was there and his small body would not get destroyed all get god ki from whis in his staff (no special form from this) roshi comes along too along with chaitzu cause why not roshi can fiannaly break hsi limits and whis loves him and teaches him what goku cant understand I have no other ideas for arks beyond but its your what if so you go crazy
I'm so glad you did this what if because I've been asking other people to do it. Also what if the Namekians stopped Freeza on their own? What if those three namekians who tried to save Dende's village fused before they got there? Also, what if those Namekians who attacked Freeza at Guru's place did the same thing?
Yeah its no problem. Wether its school or a job. I know both can be very stressful and make it hard to do anything else lol. Keep up the good work. Maybe in the future you can post more videos.
Krillin being at 75 thousand+during the freiza fight makes more sense than him being 13,000 + a couple thousand from overtime. He did do unusually good against freiza second form despite being so overwhelmed and though he did eventually lose, that was already way past something someone of a power level of even 75000 should be capable of. Not to mention the insane boosts gohan was getting at that same points.(although together with zenkais)
I don’t understand your argument. You’re saying he should be 75,000 instead around 23,000 because he did well against someone with a power level of over 1 million. Regardless of which number you pick he’s still below 100,000 making him more than 10xs weaker than frieza regardless with that big of a difference it doesn’t matter which one he was the results would be the same. As for gohan his rage boost are the reason he was doing well against frieza and those power ups vary to say the least and can’t be pin pointed.
So Goku went from around 300-400 to over 8,000-9,000 (over 8,000 in the manga, over 9,000 in the dub) during his year of training under King Kai. That’s anywhere from a 20-30 times increase _in around 5-6 six months_ due to having to traverse Snake Way. While the training with King Kai _was_ under 10x gravity, it was training alone and without sparring partners. I think having sparring partners even if only just towards the final quarter of the year (which Whis has stated makes for better and more effective training), a Zenkai from the fight with Raditz, and the gradual strengthening effects of a potential unlock should reasonably have taken a post-Raditz Zenkai Goku who’s probably around 2,500-3,500 at that time up to 15-20 times stronger over the course of a *full year* of training. So a range of anywhere between 37,500 and 70,000. I think, realistically for this point in the timeline, somewhere between 45,000 and 60,000 would make more sense. It ends up making little difference for this point in the story though. 30,000 just seems slightly too low.
Yes whis said training with other “saiyans” gives them better results but You’re comparing king Kai’s training to the training on earth which I don’t believe is fair in the slightest. King Kai’s planet like you said has 10xs earths gravity and we see how gravity training vastly increases your strength throughout the series. They are still using gravity training/weighted clothes in super. Plus king Kai taught goku new ways to utilize ki which is essential to fighting as seen when ginyu switched bodies with goku and only had a power level of 23,000. Goku even outright says it’s because he can’t use his ki properly. You’re also using a very specific timeframe which I again don’t think is fair for these calculations. Goku went from 8,000 to 90,000 in 5 days on his trip to Namek using the 6th day to rest. So 11.25xs stronger every 5 days he should be in the millions within a year but on the flip side of that goku went from a super kamehameha of 910 in the piccolo jr saga to 924 in the Raditz saga which is only 1.02xs stronger in 5 years. Everything is clearly a case by case basis depending on the training you do and the goals you set for yourself. With no goals or new training you get goku only getting 1.02xs stronger in 5 years but when you add a goal your power jumps astonishingly example the goal in the vegeta arc for the humans was bare minimum as strong as raditz and they all got to that point doing the exact same training goku did in 1/3 the time.
What if Supreme Kai trained Goku instead of King Kai during the Saiyan Saga. Shin, being more proactive, could have been scouting warriors to protect the universe from Majin Buu, due to Babidi being more active in securing energy.
I think this idea of potential unlock should enable the humans to remain relevant in the story. It's a continual itch of mine for the Z-fighters to get more love. An interesting fact. When Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu trained with Kami, they grew stronger than Goku did in one year compared to when Goku trained with him for three years. And when Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu went to train with King Kai, King Kai said that they beat his record of getting through snake way. It seems that the humans grow at an exponential rate when they trained together, whereas the saiyans grow much more through zenkai boosts. If the humans can come to learn this, maybe they can spend more time training with the sayians and Piccolo, and be more on par with them instead of being sidelined as usual. Just a thought though. This is a very interesting fic.
Zenkai boosts have diminishing returns, and the reason they grew more from Kami's training than Goku did is because they were training as a group and that's always been more effective. They were dozens of times stronger going down snakeway than goku was
@@munchies982 True. My point is that since the humans grew so much in such a short time, and now they all can have their potential unlocked, they should be able to stay relevant to the story. I just don't want the saiyans to be the only ones running the show anymore is all.
The only thing i question is if Goku really has to die in order to get king kais training. I mean Kami without dying can teleport there and can teleport other people to and from there. I just always feel like in these what ifs that kami still wanting to do more would still think of and get goku to train at king kais
He’d have to have a way to store six months of food & water for the journey for himself. I know we got capsule tech, but you know he’s going to accidentally drop that off snake way the first time he tries to use it lol.
Great what if video here is what if idea what if the dragon balls from the new dragon ball super manga arc switch with the dragon balls from earth how would the story change 🤔
What if Master Roshi wished for his youth and was able to help in the saiyan saga? What if Tien reaches a power where he can literally transform? Super human? Don’t forget..Roshi literally has a second form and he’s human!
came back bc I've watched and done too much shit recently. Even upon second impression, I still pretty much agree with these levels of power. The way the story progressed makes sense too, I always HATE it when Raditz immediately falls to join Goku bc he overpowers him. W part 1
The V-Jump scan does say 250k for vegeta but frieza wasnt going all out and was just playing around as we can see frieza smirking and laughing the whole time because if he was serious he would be nervous or point out that vegeta is close to his power but also after the initial clash we see vegeta panting heavily while frieza is calm and not tired, also vegeta before the clash says that if all three of them (krillin gohan and vegeta) fight frieza they would win, he wouldnt include them if he wasnt confident in winning himself due to pride and such
There’s no indication frieza was holding back. If he thought he could handle someone in a form he wouldn’t transform as seen when Gohan actually hurt him but instead of transforming he just increased his ki even more. Yes frieza was smiling before the clash he can’t sense ki but he was not smiling when vegeta caught his first blow nor when his scouter broke so he wasn’t smiling the whole time. He started smiling again when vegeta told him to transform something he knew could handle the situation. Weighted piccolo had the upper hand the prideful vegeta who can sense ki admitted this but frieza still didn’t transform in that situation he just increased his ki and forced piccolo to remove his weights. He didn’t transform the last time until gohan once again landed a solid blow so frieza only transforms when he’s feels like the current transformation isn’t enough to completely dominant a fight and a 530,000 vs 250,000 + Friends (200,000 gohan, 75,000 krillin) would dominate a fight we see this with nappa who was 4,000 and even piccolo at 3,500 working together with krillin wasn’t enough to beat him. Also yes vegeta thought they could win if they worked together but he knew about frieza’s transformations knowing frieza would get stronger
@@MangaAdventures he never showed that he was struggling he was only mad that he was that powerful, its seen after the clash that frieza was standing there calm while vegeta was panting heavily and sweating indicating frieza wasnt trying while vegeta was, which makes vegeta being 250k believable
@@zerocreation5327but he can transform so it doesn’t matter how confident he appears in his first form when he has 3 more if the situation needs each giving him a massive boost in power. Being confident in his transformations in this case his second form says nothing about the ability of his first form. Not once in his second form does he say I didn’t need to transform to beat you. Not once did he indicate how much power he was using in any forms except his final one
This is a very interesting what if I never thought about before and I hope to more parts come out Manga Adventures, glad Raditz has come back since I felt like he had much more potential, seeing him as a SSJ3 in heroes is proof of this. Also can you explain the full cap out of the potential unlock because when Krillin went from 13,000 to 75,000 in the show, I trying calculating and it looks like a full cap out is an extra 5.7 increase, I'm not saying your wrong Manga, definitely not, I just wanna confirm this theory to be right or wrong and I want your opinion on it, thank you for the great video by the way.
I personally don’t believe krillin went to 75,000 but if you did krillin would go from 1,770 to 75,000 which is a 42xs boost Gohan would have gone from 1,800 to 200,000 (or more when angry) meaning gohan got 111xs stronger If you want to say goku is between those you can say he would get 70 - 80xs stronger
@@MangaAdventures Thank you for replying, the Krillin and Goku increase I can believe but Gohan on Namek, the power level of 200,000, I believe that is because of combination of the Potential unlock and the zenkai he got after recovering from having his neck snapped since he was really close to death at that point, thank you for answering this question Manga Adventures and I can't wait for the next part of this new what if.
Trying to calculate a 'final boost' is the wrong way to look at Unlock Potential. There is a an immediate boost but the crux of Unlock Potential is unlocking the recipient's potential, breaking the locks on their growth and paving their way forward to smoothly pregress in their training without bottlenecks. To never plateau (until they reach the fullness of their potential, their final lifetime ceiling) so long as they keep training and growing. It means they don't need Limit Break Events to break their limits because they've already been broken
@@MangaAdventures imo, Krillin made it a lot higher than 75k to be able to participate in the battle against Frieza's King Cold Based Form. ~200k feels plausible, maybe 150ish
What if the super saiyan transformations were evolutions instead? Meaning the moment goku goes super saiyan it becomes his new base form. What if trunks was the legendary super saiyan? What if Gohan krillin and bulma Landed on planet cereal instead of false namek?
I hope you don't let Raditz dominate this series. It tends to happen in what if's where he survives. Honestly, I'd prefer to have him just get away from Earth, Goku, and Vegeta all together. Using the commotion to go to the part of space where the Galactic Patrol Prisoners commit crimes at. A part of space where he can be his own man.
One of the reason why Goku isn't as strong as Krilling or Gohan after their potential unlocks could be because Kami is not as good with that technique as Guru. Another thing is that I feel like Goku would probably try to go in the room of spirit and time so that he'd be able to defeat the saiyans in their great ape form, but maybe you're saving the room for the next part because there's a chance that frieza could show up on earth.
Now to be fair, 30k isn't bad at all when you consider the gains he could have gotten in gravity training. But this is great story so far and it's refreshingly new. I've seen a few times where Guru unlocked potentials but this is first time I'm seeing one for Kami.
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What if Grandpa Gohan was a farmer?
Plot justification- Roshi's 'Turtle Hermit' training involved manual labor, including plowing fields.
Gohan incorporated this into his own physical conditioning and would teach Goku to farm as an aspect of martial arts training.
Thus Goku would learn a basic understanding of math, science, grammar, and general knowledge of society (AKA what a girl is) by selling their crops with nearby villages.
Sounded boring af at first but that makes sense would be cool to see not a genius goku nor the dumb one we have canonically but a competent one
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Yeah if Gohan was 'just' a farmer, he would of likely been baby Kakarot's first victim.
But with farming a pseudo-hobby of Goku's parental figure, he should be more rounded person. (Opposed to the Fighting Savant of Canon)
If you are so inclined, Gohan's customers could learn of his death and result in Goku getting adopted/orphanage with the 4 Star Ball as a keepsake.
No change in story tho
@@huklo6331 How do you figure?
Giving kid Goku a 4th grade education would fundamentally change how he interacts with other characters, especially Bulma.
How this effects the story depends on the author of the What If, but you would have to actively choose for the change to be nil.
It would probably mean that goku and chichi would probably come to a bit of middle ground when it comes to gohan meaning he would fight a bit more not to the point of becoming the main character but definitely being a lot stronger
Hmm… this is gonna be interesting. Idea/prediction:
“Hey brother, if we’re to stand a chance against a Zenkai-boosted Vegeta, and very likely Freiza, we need our tails back. I can train you to control the Great Ape as I do, so it won’t be a problem.”
Gonna need a big strength boost to overcome the lack of Spirit Bomb…
Quite an interesting concept for a what if, curious to see how far the potential unlock will help in later sagas.
Edit: poor Radditz 😢
I don’t think it will, what matters is how the boost can help set things up later.
@@RVGmetallicasaw I meant more in the case of like characters whom become good later, like if the androids get their potentials unlocked... or hell, future trunks or good Majin Buu
Potential Unlock is actually huge.
It's the reason Gohan can grow _So Fast_ during intense training.
It's also the reason Krillin outgrows Tenshinhan.
Potential Unlock breaks down the locks on one's potential, the bottlenecks that create plateaus in growth and requires Limit Break Events
Group gravity training(Raditz will mention something about the gravity)
Raditz gets a potential unlock (all of them are stronger anyways)
At least a 15x or 20x boost for everyone depending on the time(Goku got 9x boost in 6 days with intense gravity on its own)
Zenkais for the saiyans(do I need to give a reason for it?)
Opinion: guru's potential unlock would still be useful as both guru is older thus can probably dig more out of someone, and between kami potential unlock and guru time will have passed.
Additionally I would argue this is one of the few abilities piccolo would keep if/when he and kami fuse as it fits piccolo's role as mentor and teacher (basically serves as a way to quickly bring newer casties up to a useful baseline.)
This makes sense
That makes sense and I think the older you are the more advanced potential unlock it will be.
Edit: I mean kami and guru
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Kami and King Piccolo Dragon Clan Namekians while Piccolo Jr was born a Warrior Clan member.
Thus the reason Jr doesn't have access to many abilities of his father and uncle.
We can also use the argument that it's a different stat besides the unlocker's innate ki, somewhat like magic. that way a fused Kami doesn't just turn people into early BoG level during the Cell saga.
@@sheridanroad2001 That would be correct. It just... FITS his character progression and growth though.
If dude decides it can't work even post fusion? there is dende but at the same time.
A Giant Piccolo's special beam cannon, could beat Giant Raditz as well.
Low key was wondering why kami didn’t have this ability in the first place
Because the technique was either a innate ability of guru or a technique that kami never would have learnt as he was sent to earth as Child which is also why his dragon balls could only grant 1 wish
@@legaming4859Or more importantly, Toriyama hadn't thought of it yet.
@@DanielMWJ just because he didn't think of it yet does mean it didn't exist until he thought of it i was giving an in universe explanation
I'm kind of surprised that in the 1 year training you didn't have Goku go train with King Kai. He could have easily made the trip down snake way in less than a day. Unless you're saving it for the next part maybe? All in all I think it's a good beginning.
Glad you are back my brother I have an idea for ya What If Android 16 was rebuilt love to see an Android 16 with the capabilities to become a Versatile Z Fighter
Welcome back king 👑
Banger video, I can't wait to see what direction you take this next.
Thanks king your comment gives me motivation!
I'm super excited to see a part 2!!
Raditz should have gotten a zen kai but, in the end I guess it was inconsequential lol
This is a banger
I'm so happy you spared Raditz, so many other what ifs would've came up with some kind of excuse to kill him, but you stay true to the spirit of dragon ball and the spirit of Goku, you know Goku on his feet half strength would've still spared Raditz and would stop Piccolo.
Great 👍 really looking forward to the next part :)
What If Request. What if Gohan drank the Ultra Divine Water before or after entering the Time Chamber with Goku, What if Goku was the first "evolved" Saiyan (like the Universe 6 Saiyan's who are born without a tail and have more potential), What if Kami regained his youth when King Piccolo did, What if Elder Guru fused with Kami before he died, What if Bulma found Androids 13, 14 and 15 used their parts to upgrade Android 16.
I agree 👍👍👍
Can’t wait to hear part 2
It's been a while, glad to see you back
Another banger from manga adventures! Can't wait to see how this series unfolds
This is amazing work bro 🙌 👏
It is good to have you back man
Thanks! Good to be back
BuT GoKu PoWeR LeVeL ShOuLd bE aT 100,000! 😆 This idea really interesting though with Kami been able to unlock people's potential it would definitely come in handy during early DBZ. Nice the Saiyans Saga turned out fine, and it looks like Raditz is turning good here. I'm hoping to see Gohan begin training in the next part (Not going up against Frieza of course) to help defend herself if needed maybe Raditz personally training Gohan some and doubles as a way to get to know each. Anyways overall another really good start to this new series, and looking forward to the next part soon.
What if suggestion:
What if Gohan was similar to Broly?
Always love you and your comments king the 100,000 got a chuckle out of me
Radditz has almost nothing to teach Gohan, he's not a martial artist he's a shock trooper.
Could be a good sparring partner though
@@MangaAdventures What If Manga Adventures was in Dragon Ball
Great vid! Excited to see where this goes. I’m hoping training on King Kai’s and Yardrat still happen cus they’re gonna need those skills later on. I wonder if the potential unlock can be improved? Elder Kai’s is way stronger so maybe Kami can train up or fuse with someone to boost it even more?
Amazing idea just struck me. What if Kami went to Namek too! And he meets Guru! And Guru recognizes him because they’re both so old. And Guru unlocks Kamis potential and Piccolos potential. Foreshadowing. When Kami and Piccolo fuse eventually..they’d be stronger than SSJ2 Gohan!
Which obviously that affects things like maybe Gohan won’t need to turn SSJ2 bcuz Piccolo kills Cell. But...what if it makes the dragon balls stronger by Kamis strength growing? And what if Piccolo and Kami fused can still control the dragon balls? And with their strength...the wishes can be bigger. Not held back by the things that he dragon said weren’t in his power..because the dragon should be at least as powerful as the namekian.
Thanks for the video!
Or...last idea. What if Kami used the earths dragon to wish for his youth because he felt the world was in danger with the approaching saiyans? And if he trained in the time chamber with the specific goal of making the dragons wishes stronger. Strong enough to defeat the saiyans with a wish. And the stronger Kami gets, the more the dragon can do.
They forgot about that
Hey Bro I loved the story you created definitely interested in seeing a part 2. I really liked the idea of Kami unlocking potential really cool. I can't speak on the whole power scaling cause I never really care too much about it or ever read the Mangas but overall think the story was great especially the end when Goku brings Raditz back to life👍. #whatifkamicouldunlockpotentialpart2#
You're my favourite dragonball Whatif guy like, you have proper structuring, unique assets to each story, proper power scaling which is important for some aspect of dragonball and that sexy voice man, you're just the perfect, too bad u only have 11k subs, I'm surprised by don't have 150k already...
Love it keep up the good work 👏 🙌 👍
I like the premise a lot. And you made a lot of choices I agree with, like Gohan not being as involved in the fight since he wasn't as needed. I'm interested in seeing where Piccolo's story takes him though, it could be fun if him and Gohan still end up becoming friends. Perhaps Piccolo spying on Goku, keeping an eye on what's going on, and Gohan discovers him and is just kinda like "Hi.." and then their friendship grows from there maybe? Lol, I dunno, but I'm interested in seeing where this goes in the future!
Damn great what if idea I would to try this out myself keep up the great
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Thanks for subscribing it means a lot
Honestly I like the thought and research you put into your what ifs. And the fact that you reference that guru’s potential unlock is a power up that increases over time not many people understand that
Great what if!
I know this is gonna be good
Manga Adventures upload? A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
Another great video, King!
Thanks bri
Wassup, Bandorn.
@@leisurelyindex Hey there!
Keep it up man! I didn't expect the story to go in that direction.
As far as PLs, you did it right imo. I wouldn't want Goku OP
This is a very interesting concept I definitely would like some more parts!
Yeah imma need that full series ASAP chief
Yooooo he's back
Welcome Back! :D
Glad to be back
This was such a good vid please continue the story
Can't wait for part 2
I initially thought the humans power lvls were to high but it does make sense and I'm glad you didn't make Goku super buff to fast. Can't wait to see what happens with raditz in the next part. Great job with this
this is a great series
i like this. plus any what if that Raditz survives, is a good what if.
This is quite fun.
Goku beating on Raditz till the Oozaru, defending him against Piccolo, and had the upper hand against the Saiyans for the most part. Also, Raditz getting a redemption arc is a nice plus. This is very beneficial to the Humans since they get a nice headstart in power and don't die. I'm curious what you'll do with Piccolo and Gohan, since those two were major players in the original Saiyan Saga and with the threat of Frieza probably coming to Earth.
Always a pleasure to see an upload, Manga. See ya next time around here.
Love you and your comments index!
The Goku vs Vegeta fight in this timeline is literally how canon Vegeta believes the shit went down, and that is just bizarre to think about.
Ngl this was pretty interesting I loved this part 1. My main hope is the humans staying relevant, Piccolo too with their powers unlocked now. Already nearing Ginyu force levels of power.
Finally someone covering this
A Story Where Raditz Lives?!?!
*Slams Fist on Table*
MORE! I WANT MORE OF THIS STORY!
I really like this story so far, can't wait to see where it leads.
Okay on the topic of potential, this idea came across my mind, what if Videl had potential equal to Gohan? it's strange but imagine she had that potential and her training through life got her around the strength of someone like Krillin for when they first met and she stays a fighter....
Hmm. So is Mr. Hercule, or Mrs. Hercule like a Saiyan?
@@couldbetrento5850 No, not a change in race, just a change in her potential as a fighter, like she was just born with insane potential
@@Kiro_Valyne like uub?
@@darkmagiccardsyugioh2985 yes but not a reincarnation
There’s precedent for it. Some members of different races just have unusually high potential for their race. Frieza or Broly for example, and I mean, yeah they were unusual and mutants of their race but who’s to say that Videl couldn’t be similar in terms of potential? Just for humans instead. Excluding that angle, the type of stories and folklore the franchise draws heavy inspiration from is full of once a millennia prodigies “blessed by the heavens” and “strongest under the sun.”
(Which is actually the literal translation of Tenkaichi Budokai - “number one under the sun” or “number one under heaven” - so it thematically fits)
Pan would be ridiculously powerful and have monstrous natural potential if Videl and Gohan still got together in that case. Enough to truly justify, perhaps, having a God of Destruction and an angel as an uncle/babysitter.
What if lord slug was sent to earth with kami pls make that also love this what if
WOAHHH NICEEE
I have feeling this will be interesting.
I think Goku & Radits should go to king kai's world some kinda way & do gravity training with the rest of the Z warriors
At first like yourself I didn't think much of it, but it turned out to be really intriguing. Wonder just what you will change with these new story beats moving forward.
You keep as close to Canon as possible but makes it work like salad saiyan smug and more great start to a series
This is a really fun video, looking forward to part 2.
I think Goku having a PL of 30,000 makes sense for the Saiyan Arc in terms of narrative pacing, but I do think you could scale it higher without much effort.
I will assume the PL of 2500 the Goku has in the Raditz fight is him in weighted clothing based on how you worded the confrontation, and thus that his true PL would be around 3100. If we use your idea that the average zenkai gives +30%, that would mean Goku should be at a PL of 4000 after he finishes healing.
However, we know from within the narrative that he should have also been getting passively stronger from the boost during that period of time. If we use the 1.77x scaling factor you chose here (23000/13000 for Krillin), then Goku should be closer to 7100 after he gets his zenkai.
Personally, I think a ~4x improvement in 3 months is a little weak. I can see intense group training getting him to 40,000. If he trains with Piccolo, then the Androids arc shows us that all bets are off (you can argue that fusing with Nail gave Piccolo greater potential, but that's never been proven or stated in any official source).
Thus, if Goku train intensely with Piccolo and the post-unlock humans, his power level could probably be scaled anywhere from 40,000-60,000 imo (and maybe 100,000 for those people that are dead set on having a justification for feeling that way).
Yes 2500 is weighted 3000 is unweighted I rounded down the exact number is 3055. Zenkai would round him up to 4,000 overtime growth he would be 7,000 exact number is 7027.
How much stronger goku got with piccolo is unknown but we know piccolo at least caught up to around ssj level which is the same logic I used here with goku catching up to the human z fighters. Strongest human I stated was tien at 24,000 so I’m curious why you think 40,000 is a better number plus he never trained with piccolo he only trained with the humans.
If you want to say goku caught up by training by himself and using piccolo’s growth he would be 60,000 but at the same time piccolo was clearly image training and his goal was raditz and surpassing him since his Allies were stronger
Tldr I can’t see them going higher than 30,000 with no goal in mind goku got that high because his friends were his goal and he surpassed them
Welcome back king 🤴 please do a what if piccolo became a bio android during the cell saga
Yurrrr
hey dude cool vid ive been watching you for a bit could you do a what if were the humans catch up here are a few ideas of mine
Tien loves hard work so he goes down the kaio ken route (Above x100 limit)
Krillin likes hard work too but... we take the eazy route sometimes so he gets the mystic form
Yamcha not knowing what to do just train and one day his wolf fang fist evolved (His new move) was mixed with his neo wolf fang fist making him get absorbed into his aura he comes out in a ssj4 looking transformation but colored like his bright blue wolf fang fist (Main perks puts body into prime age, goku black level ki controll, and allows him to use the ulltmate wolf fang fist
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Krillin gets his after buu saga and tien and yamcha get theres after cell saga krillin trains but still does not get his form
Chaitzu (yes im going there) gets training with the kais and gains magic powers including kai kai and healing and telekinesis
What happended to my text I have no idea
during the universe 6 tournament (no chaitzu : ( sage) they take a page from each other yamcha goes with kaio ken with his wolf form, tien trys to get yamchas form but cant but gets a form that is kaio ken x20 strong with no strain and that ki control yamcha has (Its better than reaguler when he first got it) and krillin gets the kaio ken chaitzu gets mystic cause why not elder kai was there and his small body would not get destroyed all get god ki from whis in his staff (no special form from this) roshi comes along too along with chaitzu cause why not roshi can fiannaly break hsi limits and whis loves him and teaches him what goku cant understand
I have no other ideas for arks beyond but its your what if so you go crazy
I'm so glad you did this what if because I've been asking other people to do it. Also what if the Namekians stopped Freeza on their own? What if those three namekians who tried to save Dende's village fused before they got there? Also, what if those Namekians who attacked Freeza at Guru's place did the same thing?
I like the story man any thoughts on what if goten bumped his head
Really like this what if so far
Thanks!
@@MangaAdventures now my question is is Guru still gonna be able to unlock potential?
@@Grulaz I personally don’t think so but others have said that since he’s older and more powerful he could do it’s up to interpretation
@@MangaAdventures and what if instead of Goku asking Porunga to revive Raditz he asks him to revive all those killed by the Saiyan's on Earth?
What if goku was born an elite sayain
Dang i wished we got new videos weekly or daily. Cause this is cool... But i understand that your busy
Thanks for understanding
Yeah its no problem. Wether its school or a job. I know both can be very stressful and make it hard to do anything else lol. Keep up the good work. Maybe in the future you can post more videos.
I need tht pt.2 asap
Krillin being at 75 thousand+during the freiza fight makes more sense than him being 13,000 + a couple thousand from overtime. He did do unusually good against freiza second form despite being so overwhelmed and though he did eventually lose, that was already way past something someone of a power level of even 75000 should be capable of. Not to mention the insane boosts gohan was getting at that same points.(although together with zenkais)
I don’t understand your argument. You’re saying he should be 75,000 instead around 23,000 because he did well against someone with a power level of over 1 million. Regardless of which number you pick he’s still below 100,000 making him more than 10xs weaker than frieza regardless with that big of a difference it doesn’t matter which one he was the results would be the same. As for gohan his rage boost are the reason he was doing well against frieza and those power ups vary to say the least and can’t be pin pointed.
So Goku went from around 300-400 to over 8,000-9,000 (over 8,000 in the manga, over 9,000 in the dub) during his year of training under King Kai. That’s anywhere from a 20-30 times increase _in around 5-6 six months_ due to having to traverse Snake Way. While the training with King Kai _was_ under 10x gravity, it was training alone and without sparring partners. I think having sparring partners even if only just towards the final quarter of the year (which Whis has stated makes for better and more effective training), a Zenkai from the fight with Raditz, and the gradual strengthening effects of a potential unlock should reasonably have taken a post-Raditz Zenkai Goku who’s probably around 2,500-3,500 at that time up to 15-20 times stronger over the course of a *full year* of training. So a range of anywhere between 37,500 and 70,000. I think, realistically for this point in the timeline, somewhere between 45,000 and 60,000 would make more sense. It ends up making little difference for this point in the story though. 30,000 just seems slightly too low.
Yes whis said training with other “saiyans” gives them better results but You’re comparing king Kai’s training to the training on earth which I don’t believe is fair in the slightest. King Kai’s planet like you said has 10xs earths gravity and we see how gravity training vastly increases your strength throughout the series. They are still using gravity training/weighted clothes in super. Plus king Kai taught goku new ways to utilize ki which is essential to fighting as seen when ginyu switched bodies with goku and only had a power level of 23,000. Goku even outright says it’s because he can’t use his ki properly. You’re also using a very specific timeframe which I again don’t think is fair for these calculations. Goku went from 8,000 to 90,000 in 5 days on his trip to Namek using the 6th day to rest. So 11.25xs stronger every 5 days he should be in the millions within a year but on the flip side of that goku went from a super kamehameha of 910 in the piccolo jr saga to 924 in the Raditz saga which is only 1.02xs stronger in 5 years. Everything is clearly a case by case basis depending on the training you do and the goals you set for yourself. With no goals or new training you get goku only getting 1.02xs stronger in 5 years but when you add a goal your power jumps astonishingly example the goal in the vegeta arc for the humans was bare minimum as strong as raditz and they all got to that point doing the exact same training goku did in 1/3 the time.
What if Supreme Kai trained Goku instead of King Kai during the Saiyan Saga. Shin, being more proactive, could have been scouting warriors to protect the universe from Majin Buu, due to Babidi being more active in securing energy.
part 2 plzzz man
I think this idea of potential unlock should enable the humans to remain relevant in the story. It's a continual itch of mine for the Z-fighters to get more love.
An interesting fact. When Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, and Chiaotzu trained with Kami, they grew stronger than Goku did in one year compared to when Goku trained with him for three years. And when Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu went to train with King Kai, King Kai said that they beat his record of getting through snake way. It seems that the humans grow at an exponential rate when they trained together, whereas the saiyans grow much more through zenkai boosts. If the humans can come to learn this, maybe they can spend more time training with the sayians and Piccolo, and be more on par with them instead of being sidelined as usual.
Just a thought though. This is a very interesting fic.
Zenkai boosts have diminishing returns, and the reason they grew more from Kami's training than Goku did is because they were training as a group and that's always been more effective. They were dozens of times stronger going down snakeway than goku was
@@munchies982 True. My point is that since the humans grew so much in such a short time, and now they all can have their potential unlocked, they should be able to stay relevant to the story. I just don't want the saiyans to be the only ones running the show anymore is all.
The only thing i question is if Goku really has to die in order to get king kais training.
I mean Kami without dying can teleport there and can teleport other people to and from there. I just always feel like in these what ifs that kami still wanting to do more would still think of and get goku to train at king kais
He’d have to have a way to store six months of food & water for the journey for himself. I know we got capsule tech, but you know he’s going to accidentally drop that off snake way the first time he tries to use it lol.
Could use Shenron to wish him there I guess though.
Great what if video here is what if idea what if the dragon balls from the new dragon ball super manga arc switch with the dragon balls from earth how would the story change 🤔
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Plz make another part of this series
yessir
Need a part two
I mean technically Bardock was the one to develop the technique since he was a brilliant scientist
What if Master Roshi wished for his youth and was able to help in the saiyan saga? What if Tien reaches a power where he can literally transform? Super human? Don’t forget..Roshi literally has a second form and he’s human!
yes, yes, yes, more yes
came back bc I've watched and done too much shit recently. Even upon second impression, I still pretty much agree with these levels of power. The way the story progressed makes sense too, I always HATE it when Raditz immediately falls to join Goku bc he overpowers him. W part 1
The V-Jump scan does say 250k for vegeta but frieza wasnt going all out and was just playing around as we can see frieza smirking and laughing the whole time because if he was serious he would be nervous or point out that vegeta is close to his power but also after the initial clash we see vegeta panting heavily while frieza is calm and not tired, also vegeta before the clash says that if all three of them (krillin gohan and vegeta) fight frieza they would win, he wouldnt include them if he wasnt confident in winning himself due to pride and such
There’s no indication frieza was holding back. If he thought he could handle someone in a form he wouldn’t transform as seen when Gohan actually hurt him but instead of transforming he just increased his ki even more. Yes frieza was smiling before the clash he can’t sense ki but he was not smiling when vegeta caught his first blow nor when his scouter broke so he wasn’t smiling the whole time. He started smiling again when vegeta told him to transform something he knew could handle the situation. Weighted piccolo had the upper hand the prideful vegeta who can sense ki admitted this but frieza still didn’t transform in that situation he just increased his ki and forced piccolo to remove his weights. He didn’t transform the last time until gohan once again landed a solid blow so frieza only transforms when he’s feels like the current transformation isn’t enough to completely dominant a fight and a 530,000 vs 250,000 + Friends (200,000 gohan, 75,000 krillin) would dominate a fight we see this with nappa who was 4,000 and even piccolo at 3,500 working together with krillin wasn’t enough to beat him. Also yes vegeta thought they could win if they worked together but he knew about frieza’s transformations knowing frieza would get stronger
@@MangaAdventures he never showed that he was struggling he was only mad that he was that powerful, its seen after the clash that frieza was standing there calm while vegeta was panting heavily and sweating indicating frieza wasnt trying while vegeta was, which makes vegeta being 250k believable
@@zerocreation5327 still doesn’t explain why frieza didn’t just throw a harder punch which he does in ever other transformation
@@MangaAdventures because he was being cocky, its obvious as seen when he smiles and laughs while talking about how strong he is
@@zerocreation5327but he can transform so it doesn’t matter how confident he appears in his first form when he has 3 more if the situation needs each giving him a massive boost in power. Being confident in his transformations in this case his second form says nothing about the ability of his first form. Not once in his second form does he say I didn’t need to transform to beat you. Not once did he indicate how much power he was using in any forms except his final one
Potential is a touchy story hehe
pls do more parts 🙏
Part 2 ASAP
True Goku should had that level of power
Great story man. But what happened to our boy piccolo?
This is a very interesting what if I never thought about before and I hope to more parts come out Manga Adventures, glad Raditz has come back since I felt like he had much more potential, seeing him as a SSJ3 in heroes is proof of this.
Also can you explain the full cap out of the potential unlock because when Krillin went from 13,000 to 75,000 in the show, I trying calculating and it looks like a full cap out is an extra 5.7 increase, I'm not saying your wrong Manga, definitely not, I just wanna confirm this theory to be right or wrong and I want your opinion on it, thank you for the great video by the way.
I personally don’t believe krillin went to 75,000 but if you did krillin would go from 1,770 to 75,000 which is a 42xs boost
Gohan would have gone from 1,800 to 200,000 (or more when angry) meaning gohan got 111xs stronger
If you want to say goku is between those you can say he would get 70 - 80xs stronger
@@MangaAdventures Thank you for replying, the Krillin and Goku increase I can believe but Gohan on Namek, the power level of 200,000, I believe that is because of combination of the Potential unlock and the zenkai he got after recovering from having his neck snapped since he was really close to death at that point, thank you for answering this question Manga Adventures and I can't wait for the next part of this new what if.
Trying to calculate a 'final boost' is the wrong way to look at Unlock Potential.
There is a an immediate boost but the crux of Unlock Potential is unlocking the recipient's potential, breaking the locks on their growth and paving their way forward to smoothly pregress in their training without bottlenecks. To never plateau (until they reach the fullness of their potential, their final lifetime ceiling) so long as they keep training and growing.
It means they don't need Limit Break Events to break their limits because they've already been broken
@@MangaAdventures imo, Krillin made it a lot higher than 75k to be able to participate in the battle against Frieza's King Cold Based Form.
~200k feels plausible, maybe 150ish
he could they just never thought of it.
New concept
This is Great bring on Gravity training I believe that Goku at 30 k is very reasonable
What if the super saiyan transformations were evolutions instead? Meaning the moment goku goes super saiyan it becomes his new base form.
What if trunks was the legendary super saiyan?
What if Gohan krillin and bulma Landed on planet cereal instead of false namek?
goku should have a power lvl of 100,000. I refuse to elaborate
I hope you don't let Raditz dominate this series. It tends to happen in what if's where he survives. Honestly, I'd prefer to have him just get away from Earth, Goku, and Vegeta all together. Using the commotion to go to the part of space where the Galactic Patrol Prisoners commit crimes at. A part of space where he can be his own man.
One of the reason why Goku isn't as strong as Krilling or Gohan after their potential unlocks could be because Kami is not as good with that technique as Guru.
Another thing is that I feel like Goku would probably try to go in the room of spirit and time so that he'd be able to defeat the saiyans in their great ape form, but maybe you're saving the room for the next part because there's a chance that frieza could show up on earth.
Now to be fair, 30k isn't bad at all when you consider the gains he could have gotten in gravity training. But this is great story so far and it's refreshingly new. I've seen a few times where Guru unlocked potentials but this is first time I'm seeing one for Kami.