Commander Haymakers Tier List | Ranking the Finishers of EDH
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2022
- We have the splashy, spicy finishers of Commander all together in one tier list, ready to be graded based on our opinion of their power in Commander!
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If I had a nickel for every time I resolved a Bolas’ Citadel and won, I’d be able to buy more copies of Bolas’ Citadel.
They are cheap get them now!
@@NitpickingNerds Citadel is so good I avoided buying it because i just assumed it was $15-20. Imagine my surprise when I bought it for $6!
Meathook massacre makes me want to cry
My LGS was giving out promos for supporting the store and that's when I first saw the citadel haha, so now I have a retro foil promo citadel for my toxrill deck
@@Mecal00 get the game day version now
10:21 You heard it here yourself: Grave Titan is absolutely broken:
“These cards are all great. All the titans are awesome-great cards…”
-Joe 2022
and yes I can cast my Grave Titan consistency and he is in fact one of the best options…
This is all true believe this guy!
I love spreading misinformation on the internet
True joy is casting a Zacama, untapping 9 lands, paying 6 for Fiery Emancipation, and the other 3 to shoot your own Brash Taunter to dome an opponent for 27
That is so sick
These guys know their stuff!! As a new player; these guys save me lots of money by pointing me in the right direction to make my decks. Thanks guys!!
Gotta say I actually agree with all the positions of these cards. For the next tier list can we do “aggressive openers”?!
What do you mean
@@NitpickingNerds maybe like best turn one cards? My vote would be Mystic Remora or Esper Sentinel
@@UserbyDay Sol Ring
@@UserbyDay Serra Ascendant is a great turn 1.
Inkmoth Nexus is another one that makes my play group groan. Start off turn 0 discussion, everyone agrees that they are okay with Infect, then they all freak out when I turn 1 an Inkmoth Nexus. The groans only get worse when I play Blighted Agent on turn 4 after making sure all opponents have at least 1 Poison counter.
Burgeoning turn 1
Beezy literally hit the nail on the head there, I use OG kozilek in like four of my decks purely for the sake of reshuffling my grave...
He knows his stuff!
I love the Grave Titan meme on this channel especially since the first time I felt powerful magic was with Grave Titan and Meren. So for me it's always been a fun card I don't play anymore but the hate for it is entertaining
I was playing in a Grand Prix commander side event, and we all had Consecrated Sphinxes on the table. More than one judge who walked by double backed to see just why it looked like all of us were just casually thumbing through our deck.
That sounds miserable
This one was sooooo good you nerds explain pros and cons so well!!
Thanks, really appreciate you saying so!
Saying my daily hello 👋 thanks again for the amazing content. You’ve taken my game to another level and I win more games than ever before! I love it and love y’all!
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One of the scariest moments in my entire life was when two of my opponents each played a bolas's citadel, and I was sure I was going to lose very soon.
Thankfully, I was playing Volo and I top-decked rec sage, so it worked itself out before things got too out of hand (Although neither of them got to play anything off it, so I made a couple enemies that day.)
That is the best top deck!
My absolute favorite commander story involving Rise of the Dark Realms was one time at my LGS one of my friends gave me their Edgar Markov deck and the others were playing Anowan, Yawgmoth, and the Ur-dragon. The Yawgmoth player cast Rise of the Dark Realms and I subtlety ask him "How many creatures do you think you're gonna get?" and he responds with as many as he can. So he chooses all the creatures and goes down to a SINGLE point of life, tries to resolve all the etb's and I say, "In response, tap this sac a creature, you lose 2 life and I gain 2 life." With the biggest grin on my face and the entire table ERUPTED in laughter. The dudes face was PRICELESS
Yeah dont forget everyone clapped in the end
My favorite is: I'm up against Kharador. Battlefield's empty, graveyards loaded. My only relevant permanents are a mana reflection and a single mountain untapped. He topdecks rise of the dark realms. I reverberate. To this day, reverberate is long gone, but I refuse to take that mountain out of my deck.
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Gisela is half damage rounded up so 1 damage is still one damage. Still amazing I’ve played her as a commander for 4 years now and she’s never disappointed.
I still have my original 3 edh decks together.... albeit they have changed a lot since new Phyrexia and the pre-cons dropped. Ghave- teysa orzov scion- jhoria of the ghitu.
I disagree. It‘s Zero, because you rounded up the amount of damage you prevent. 0,5 damage rounded up =1 damage you prevent. Thats Zero damage to you or a permanent you control.
@@etaphoenix7461 upon a quick rules search you are correct and I’ve misread this card for years apparently
From an Old NY're: Keep hustling. You fellas are doing it right.
We always hussling
I had a turn three Bolas's Citadel once. It followed a turn two K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth, and it was followed by Tendrils of Agony at Storm 4.
Fiery Emancipation is one of my favorite cards in my xenagos dragon deck and it lets me one shot people with multiple cards in my deck if they have 7 or more power
It is so awesome!
Lmao, loved the Primal Surge section. "THERE'S A NUCLEAR BOMB IN MY DECK, AND IF I EVER DRAW IT AND PLAY IT, YOU LOSE THE GAME.". Also, I'd love a part two, and I nominate Genesis Wave! After its cousin Villainous Wealth was disgraced, it must restore honor to its name!
Hope to see Niv-Mizzet Parun in part 2. Has a major color requirement, but drawing off your own spells as well as your opponents is silly good, plus it has a built in win condition and removal ability, and that's before you even consider it can combo.
He is really strong
Recently won a game with a Fiery Emancipation, Inferno of the Star Mounts and Chandra's Ignition and it was glorious!
Spicy.
Opening the video, seeing the tier list, then seeing grave titan in the queue. This should be fun!
I think Elesh Norn should have been higher, because it shuts down a whole breed of deck. Any token deck that isn’t making 3/3s or more, is now gone. No chance to buff, no chump blocking, just gone.
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Is this a new series? I would 💘 to see more of these.
I play bolas's citadel in a deck made to win 95% of the times it resolves in the same turn. Card is bonkers, easily my favorite of the list!!
regular watcher here, just gotta pop in once in a while and say you are my favorite mtg youtube channel!
We appreciate the kind words
Lets go! another tier list
Video was great but the outro was GOLD haha
Lmao that tidbit at the end was great
We are a pair of single idiots!
I think it is a pretty fair card. it would definitely go into just about any token deck with white. For me I would put it into my Thalisse deck. I don't run a lot of haste enablers if there even are any that could go into the deck and I don't think I have any "tap" outlets so if I play this card early a victory would been seen coming for at least a turn. the only instant win I can see with this for me is a late game when I already have my board state built up. So for me and my playgroup this is a great card.
That being said in faster or more aggressive play groups/metas this would for sure be a instant removal piece or a 7 mana I win card. So I would say it definitely depends on your meta and play group and how well they know how you like to play.
You guys didn’t wish me a happy birthday in this one 😭😭😭 JK love the content and although Grave Titan is not necessarily a poop card…. I love you.
I always die at the grave titan part of your videos XD
love to see my boy grave titan in here, bro, show yourself and let the nerds know you mean business.
I play Warp World in my xyris deck. Usually I have plenty of tokens to count towards my permanents and due to the high amount of draw in the deck it never really bothers me to draw it at the wrong time. I know people have different opinions about this card, but I absolutely love to resolve it
It is soooooo long to resolve but good in decks like that
Still can’t get over how bonkers Avenger of Zendikar is with Adrix and Nev and Esix out. Absolutely ridiculous and the widest I’ve gone maybe ever, I ended up with over 400 21/22 plants in a single turn
Sidenote for fiery emancipation. Its really nice when you can set up a oneshot kill with your 7+ power commander like gishath
They said this in the video. It's a one shot kill with any 7 power commander
Yeah it’s awesome!
Avenger is poop tier, I've never felt good resolving it. Even when I played it years ago.
Edit: I also wanted to say that you guys aren't talking about how great these guys are as reanimation targets, it that betrays turn 2 is WAYYYY better than turn 2 sphinx imo. It's just a free win if it doesn't get spot removed immediately as you take turns deleting people
I agree. Reanimation decks like Meren could easily manipulate cards like Avenger or Grave Titan. The ranking of some of these is definitely different in different decks.
@@TCVxPRIDE yeah, just wanted to say that because most of the cards they talk about how good cards are in their respective decks, but ignored that for the creatures. Like primal for example
Well reanimation targets are different but I get what you mean
Primal surge is one of my favorite green cards. I have it in an Animar morph with only permanents deck. Beezy is absolutely correct it is a nuclear bomb.
I like Primal Surge. It used to break the social contract of "no combos." But, now, I think it's far more acceptable to have a single card that can "close out games" than before. I played it in an enchantress deck (Uril). I think that's still viable; Utopia Sprawl and its ilk, Kenrith's Transformation etc. Then, close out the game with Fervor and True Conviction.
I love it when they crap on Grave Titan. It makes me happy!
Genesis wave is one of my favorites that you left out
Ohhh I got one of those!
Fiery emancipation going in my minsc and boo deck coming out in CL2
Are they're any vids on Aurelia tips and techs?
What about Akroma's Memorial? Similar to True Conviction plus double evasion and protection for just 1 mana more, but more universally usable due to its colorlessness. It's basically a top end auto include in every combat based deck in my humble opinion
I would like to give it a try seems cool
That "without making you uncomfortable" whisper was wonderfully ironic 😂
I thought in my head that it would make people uncomfortable
Hey nerds, where would you put sun titan on this tier list?
The factoid about Cherries's life was hilarious. Amicable breakups are the best way to end things. Glad to hear you're back on the market! Maybe Buffalo is the next biggest home of brotherly love???
We will see, haven't really been on the market in while. We will see how things play out.
@@NitpickingNerds honestly, I come home to visit family once a year (also to get my Mighty fix), and would love the opportunity to jam a game with you guys. I'm not part of the patreon or on the discord server, but I've been subscribed to your channel since october. The timing of your video releases is wonderful, as I watch them during cardio, post workout; it's essentially perfect. Would that be something you two would entertain the thought of, like meeting at Gabriel's Gate or Duff's?
I love warp World. Built right it wins games so easily. I would put it right with Primal Surge--very specific deck. I have done this Beezy--Warp world and primal surge as only nonpermanent spells in a Xenegos deck. Won so so so many games.
I have a small Tier List Series request that would really help me out a lot. After the card gets assigned a tier would it be possible to still leave the full card up on the screen somewhere until you move on to the next card? I frequently am not looking at the screen when the card is named, and sometimes I dont know what the card actually does. This forces me to have to rewind frequently. If not, no biggie. I will still be watching for sure. Keep up the great work!
I could make it smaller on screen perhaps
I play Villainous Wealth in my Kadena morph deck. So far it's my most consistent win con, since i've build this deck around massive and fast ramp. In most cases X is around 15-20 and thats ends most of the games. I also like to copy it for extra value.
Deck list
Consecrated Sphinx is one of the primary targets in Thrasios/Tymna cedh Reanimator (just behind Razaketh)
Ewwww so gross lol
Primal Surge is quite a nice card if you build around and I like the idea of having to build around it. It makes for a fun challenge. Of course the power of your deck suffers. I feel like Primal Surge is best in decks where you can get all the effects you might require during a game from permanent sources, so a Sliver Deck would be in my mind the best Archetype for Primal Surge. Slivers are so versatile and give you a lot of effects, so you get punished the least for bulding your deck around Primal Surge.
I run Fiery Emancipation in my low powered Niv Mizzet Parun. Turns every draw into a bolt and every instant/sorcery anyone casts into a bolt.
Draw bolt is real good!
@Nitpicking Nerds I also run Torbran for the redundant ability. But if both are on the field and the opponents don't know how the triggers work it could be draw deal 9, but even if they do stack the triggers correctly each draw is a Lava Ax.
So, funny story. My first and only casting of Primal Surge was in my Ghired, Conclave Exile deck. It only has 3 cards that would stop Surge in it's tracks - one was in the graveyard and another was in my hand. I hit the third on the second reveal ...
Still love the card though, just thought it was hilarious that this was basically Joe's fever dream down to a T.
It is the worst when that happens!
I'm so conflicted over either using aurelia or giada for an angel tribal. Ive won with aurelia but I feel the salt everytime I play her and giada isnt tested (in my experience) and plus its mono white. So eh lol which one in ur opinion is better for an angel deck?
I cast Primal Surge a week ago for the first time in my sliver deck... flipped Fierce Guardianship... I was livid... everyone else at the table on the other hand...
I would laugh a lot lol 😂
I was hoping to see how they rate Torment of Hailfire. Oh well, maybe it will appear on the next list.
Episode 2!!
I also wouldn't play Primal Surge or Warp World BUT the restriction of only permanents is actually very fun to build. My Muldrotha and Vaevivctis Asmadi the Dire decks are only permanents and they're very fun to play and build.
You're never casting It That Betrays tho, it doesn't have the shuffle text like the other titans so you CAN reanimate it. Paired with cards like merciless execuitioner, its just insane
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There are several commanders that allow you to play eldrazi or other high costed cards for free or next to nothing. I personally have a Saheeli deck with all the big eldrazi and play them for free pretty much everytime.
That is a great wayct go
Good tier list. My only controversial opinion is that Boneyard Parley is better than Rise of the Dark Realms. The impact is still substantial enough to impact your win % while also being easier to actually put on the stack.
My favorite loop to pull off is Omniscience + Jace Memory Adept + Inexorable Tide + Nexus of Fate and a bunch of other extra turn spells in your library. You can basically just keep getting Jace's Ultimate and casting your entire library.
That sounds painfully slow 😂
@@NitpickingNerds it can be but you eventually win the game lmao
Do you guys play commander at any particular lgs around Buffalo? I'm in Cheektowaga, and I'd love to sit across the table from either of you.
We don’t play much at the lgs but we will play at iron buffalo in the future
Surprised not to see Chandra's Ignition/Torment of Hailfire on here
I like elesh norn but I always find other cards to run before her in my go wide decks
Omniscience is really good, but it's not an instant game winner, like they said, you need to have a good hand that turn to get it's full affect, or someones blowing it up next turn
I have an Aurelia the Warleader deck and she just wrecks!!! actually had to detune it, because she could combo with a ham and a sandwich, white is also full of tutors for the equipment needed to combo off and silence effect to protect the combo.
Not strong enough to sit at cedh table, unfortunately, and quite race inducing at casual tables. So I removed all combos except for sword of heart and home
Just the other day I cast expropriate and didn't win. I did however kill the player who threatened me earlier. It was literally the last card in my hand and I proceeded to draw lands on all 3 of my extra turns, and the permanent I stole was a land.
Given the same opportunity I'd do the same thing 100% of the time.
Remember, context matters and just cuz something is "C tier" or below doesn't mean don't play. Among the list in this video 4 total are represented among my decks. Avenger, and Baloths both do great in LF decks (catch being you always want to cast when you have at least one LF trigger left/haste); Animatou's arg, wins me the game in my proliferate deck b/c card types are very evenly distributed so I've never hit less than 4 targets, including land, with that and it's always something relevant. Emancipation has won me ~4 games in my "lower powered" Firesong deck by burning the rest of the world and gaining 13xN life etc. (N=board wipe or 52 by dropping a meteor on my own Brash Taunter/stuffy D etc).
*realizing they rated Fiery at B tier, but point stands. Also, Animatou's just feels fun which is another bonus...Tefferi + vorinclex/deepglow skate just starts you running wild as opposed to shutting off the game for everyone else.
Haven't played against Fiery Emancipation, but it does seem strong. Also, Beezy had mentioned a 2/2 swinging for 4 damage, but it would be 8 no? 2 x 2 x 2 =8
List order is mostly fine, except that you can't have more S tier options than other options by definition of S Tier. You should move citadel and sphinx down to A, and you should rename D to poop, and poop to not a haymaker.
(For this list, S Tier needs to be scoop on the stack to as it invalidates the other haymakers and only your top 4 (I would probably exclude hulk, but if you have sac outlet on the board I guess) really do that.
Well this would be true if we covered all options but we didn’t. There are a lot of haymakers so this does not prove any flaw in our system nor is this tier list anything but fun
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The US link should work
it that betrays so so cool for one reason: it does not care. rest in peace, no was still saced, send commander to command zone, it will still find you. it's the most hilarious thing if you see someone sac their commander when you have it that betrays and you say give me that card its mine now and they answer no its not in the grave just for you to explain them how it that betrays really works. if you closely look at tergrids text you see that she says specifically from the grave.
Avenger of Zendikar is more of niche card these days. I only run it in my Esix, Fractal Bloom deck these days, and not to make a bunch of plants. And YESSS! Grave Titan in the conversation. Gotta love it.
The Titan is here
Surprised Torment of Hellfire didn’t make the list. I see that card win more games than any other besides Craterhoof.
I've been very low on rampaging baloths for a long time, IMO if grave titan is poop tier than so is rampaging baloths. On a typical turn they both generate a similar amount of value, ceiling is higher on baloths as you can get multiple triggers, but the floor is also lower because you can get none. Any deck where the upside is high (lots of fetchs, additional land boosters) the budget is high enough that baloths is superceded. For those reasons I think it barely ever slots in when deckbuilding.
I accidentally went infinite with rampaging baloths yesterday. Kodama of the east tree + anything that makes a token on landfall + any bounce land = infinite tokens.
@@jakeapplegate6642 that's cool. still not a fan of baloths haha. I guess this is a decent combo that's not too expensive if you want it.
Totally agree that rise of the dark realms is a better model for finishers in commander than expropriate or omniscience.
Way more fair
Villainous wealth has great synergy with Zaxara if you can create infinite mana with a card like free from the real.
link to muddstah game you mentioned?
I would buff Grave Titan by making it a zombie and giving all your zombies deathtouch
Lifelink would be sick
Only way to make it playable lol
a good magic player would leave Grave titan out of their decks.
a GREAT magic player would make the damn thing useful xD
I need to make a deck with all of these cards. Doesn’t matter how bad it is just want to see how really broken these cards are lol
Completely agree with the tierlist (except Grave Titan should've been S tier 🙃 ) ... the only thing missing from this deck was the Budget alternatives to each finisher (if they have any) .... other than that, great video as always
Maybe in part 2
@@NitpickingNerds We're all glad to hear that 👍🏻
How about Kodama of the East Tree? You go infinite with a hamsandwich and even with out it is incredibly strong.
It is a super strong card for sure
Would have liked to see nyxbloom ancient on this list too. The mana it makes is pretty absurd, I use it with untap effects to basically win the turn it comes out. Also why put villainous wealth on the list but not genesis wave?
If we do a part 2 it will be there!
I’d be curious to see where you guys would rate Collosification 🤔
Colossification seems to be powerful to rather unexperienced players, but sadly is not that good. The tapping of the creature is a big downside, unless you cast it on an opponents creature to get it out of the way for your attack and defeat the player.
If you can give it flash somehow, like with vedalken orrery, and cast it on your creature at the opponents end-step it can become a nice finisher, espacially if you target your commander and it has trample, or some other kind of evasion
Yeah it’s below Poop tier for sure
@@mfsoab yes I agree with most of this for sure. It is very flashy especially for new players, even though it doesn’t win games very efficiently.
@@mfsoab yes I agree with most of this for sure. It is very flashy especially for new players, even though it doesn’t win games very efficiently.
I run rise of the dark realms in my gyruda deck. It's nasty.
Hoof is just a ridiculous magic card. I do not think it is toxic enough to be banned but I have easily won most games from playing or tutoring a Craterhoof Behemoth .
I agree not toxic but still insane!
Finale of devastation might as well be lumped in.
My favourite Craterhoof moment was in an Esix, Fractal Bloom deck.
Swung a Nacatl War Pride at a squirrel token deck. Produced about 100 Craterhoof behemoth's tapped and attacking, spread among my opponents.
Klauth should be on the list imo. He can make you an insane amount of mana with just a few things on board.
I’d argue that making mana isn’t a haymaker. haymakers win the game or generate tons of value, generating lots of mana doesn’t do anything without a payoff. I have literally generated infinite mana and not had anything to do with it in games before because I ran out of resources or I didn’t have a card spell
Part 2
@@HomeCookinMTG the decks you are playing klauth in should have payoffs (gruul beat down/big boys, etc.)A lot of the haymakers on this list aren't instant win the game either. I'd argue huge mana swings on a hasted creature that persist through phases is pretty sick. Essentially letting you cheat out multiple other big things (aka value) Probably c to b tier
@@joshholmes1372 yes in the correct deck Klauth feels like Omniscience since you’re able to cast whatever you want every turn he stays on the battlefield.
pentarch paladin. it is haymaker strength for only 5 mana. maybe its in gray area very close to haymaker. powerful ability.
Love the video. Small request: can you leave up the card on the screen as you discuss it rather than just have the thumbnail up
Where would you guys rank massacre wurm? I've had many games slamming the wurm, wiping out the chaff and draining opponents out for quite a bit. Feels very powerful in lower power meta
It would probably be in B-B+
It’s better in mid-power meta that has many elves, birds, random x/2 than low power. But yeah B tier imo.
"No ones playing Dictate of Heliod"
Oh how you doubt me Beezy 😂
❤ u guys
I have never seen it lol
Because you've never played me duh! Lol.
In all honesty though I actually like it in my Alela deck. Makes a token and pumps all my other fliers by 2 on top of the 1 from Alela. So all my creatures are at LEAST 4 power. And Dictate is one of the only cards that high of cmc. So its making LOTS of the little faire tokens with flying. Its pretty cool as a finisher/mid game board advantage.
The best jhoda deck tech ever¡!¡¡
Missing some of my favourite haymakers: jin gitaxias, razakrth, 4cascade hydra, enter the infinite, and the absolute devastating worldfire.
Overall great list, but felt scammed with that ulamog in the thumbnail xd
Lots of good ones for part. 2
And Zacama!
Void winnower has to easily be one of the cards that I hate playing against the most.
I love Warpworld
Ok so here's the strat:
We play Warp World and protean hulk.
Hulk line for a kiki combo
make infinite tokens
then and only then, Warp World
hit every card in your deck and make sure one of them is Thassa's oracle for the most convoluted thoracle win you can make
And it still comes off as lame lol 😂