Commander Staples Tier List: Based on FUN | How Fun are Commander's Most Powerful Spells?
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- Опубликовано: 23 янв 2022
- We're plugging some of Commander's most powerful staples into a tier list, but for FUN! Let's see which ones are the most enjoyable to play against.
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I actually like it when my opponents play turn 1 Sol Ring, I can't entirely explain why but I think part of it is that if someone else plays Sol Ring turn 1, I know I can develop my board state and game plan without worrying about anyone targeting me for at least a little while
Turn one sol ring & arcane signet FTW
My izzet deck only runs arcane signet, the rest of the ramp comes from treasure tokens that I don't build up for a bit and that's basically thr game plan. Start slow so that I stay out of the way and get to build up
@@brandonbrooks779 p0
We could not have sol rings in games and still have that same feeling.
@@VexylObby I have no idea what you mean, care to elaborate?
What do you MEAN grave titan isn’t considered a “staple”?!?
It would be an S
@@NitpickingNerds there's no need to discuss it really when it's just publicly acknowledged as the best card in the format.
"Everyone gets one cast of jeska's will..."
Me: sweating, remembering escaping jeska's will 5 times the other day with underworld breach
Everybody gets 1!
@@NitpickingNerds Spiderman approves 🤣
Honestly it's easy to see why so many people like Green and why Green's being pushed so much by looking at this list; none of the individual cards or even the play patterns are groanworthy by themselves. However, I do see people complain a lot about how Green decks tend to get out of control too easily and just overwhelm you. So there's kind of a weird discrepancy there that I'd be interested in seeing explored.
if land hate and fast mana are frowned upon, you cannot combat this
@@el_maoo Right? Like green can have ramp but nobody else can...
You can absolutely save yourself from a Rift. Eerie Interlude, Guardian of Faith, Teferi's Protection, that kind of thing.
Grand abolisher effects feel a lot more fair when it's in a combat deck. Especially ones without access to hoofy boi. Tangentially related; I use Tidal Barracuda in a no-combo combat-win-only Donal deck. The extra benefit to my opponents can really incentivize them to leave it on the field, while still helping me get my Donal triggers each turn.
In a world of content creators focusing on power levels in a casual format, this is brilliant original content! Also, sometimes judging fun levels of cards can be hard to predict in advance, making this type of content very helpful. Please do more of this type of thing!
To me having a creature countered is usually more frustrating than having it removed because I feel that oftentimes that counter could be used to stop some more dangerous noncreature threat that the spot removal cannot handle so it feels like it's wasted on the creature and it might allow someone else to just run away with the game (unless it's monoblue and they use counterspells for any and all threats in which case fair enough). Also obviously you get ETBs if something is removed after entering rather than countered. That said counterspells are more often than not the thing that saves a game from going to hell when someone threatens to get massively ahead too early or win anticlimatically, so I appreciate their presence in the ecosystem obviously.
Right, so, it sound like you have more of a problem with players lack of proper threat assessment than counter spells in general. But quite frankly, part of casting counterspells is that you are only working with limited info considering you probably only know a few cards in each players deck from play and/or pre-game discussion. So, saying that a player countered the wrong thing is just super subjective . Counters have been a part of magic since its inception and are a vital part of the game! They should definitely be close to the top of this list for commander, at least, considering it’s a singleton format! People who complain about counterspells in commander must have not played against many blue tempo/control decks in modern, legacy, standard, Arena, etc. because they are supremely more ruthless when you can have 4 of each!!
I would've carved out Great Henge separately from the Beast Whisperer (and placed it along with the Rhystic Study, Smothering Tithe etc...). It just does EVERYTHING for often only two mana.
Yeah Henge is a step above imo
for net zero mana even
Great Henge is much better than beast whisperer imo
What I did is I pulled one out of a pack, didnt want to play it in my pod because of target reasons (my decks are relatively low power) so I put it in a go wide deck. And for 4 mana, its still busted and didnt work lol
When I went to the Eldraine prerelease I opened: Great Henge, Once Upon a Time, a Questing Beast, and a Lovestruck Beast. Oh and a Garruk.
Really suprised that Extra Turn spells and Planeswalkers in general weren't on here
Most planeswalkers are a liability in Commander. They're like enchantments your opponent's can get rid by attacking. There are exceptions of course, like Ugin, 3-mana Teferi, Narset, Saheeli, Lab-Man Jace, etc... basically unless you can get full value for the 'walker the same turn you play it, it's pretty fair.
Extra turn spells would be a good one to of had on here.
@@NitpickingNerds Extra turns would be in poop tier for me. Hate that mechanic so much
@@TheRedGauntlet Do you hate infinite turns more or the odd random extra turn? In my playgroup if someone goes infinite we just count it as their win and move on to the next one. I would hate to have to sit through it actually playing out.
@@warl54961 Infinite turns is annoying but fine, no more or less unfun than any other game ending combos. One extra turn isn't even too bad on its own, but in the decks that want that kind of effect it is terrible.
Glad to hear the “stop winning on turn one” speech.
If I wanted that experience I’ll be playing modern YuGiOh
I think the reason counterspells feel so bad is because it feels like they left their mana open just to stop you from casting your grave titan out of spite instead of advancing their own board. Removal spells are less personal because maybe the 2/2 zombie won't attack you and you can keep your Shock in your hand until you need it.
Beezy's quote from 9.00-9.13 is how everyone should be thinking. Well said 👍
Man your list baffles me. I guess maybe because I view these cards from a standpoint of how fun they are for me to play. And playing against them just motivates me and the rest of the pod to target them, ipso facto, making it more fun, because banter
I do disagree to some extent on grand abolisher&co: combat-based decks, which I find to be a healthy and fun part of the ecosystem, feel to me already underrepresented when it comes to mid/high power. In white-based decks grand abolisher and ranger captain are important pieces to aggressive strategies, as they allow you to go in with a degree of consistency you can't find elsewhere: if they stick you are then safe to go bash some faces. Sure they are obviously also widely used to protect combos, but I've seen them played simply to bolster go-wide/tribal decks almost as often.
Even if you don't buy any of that and you think I just live in a very warped meta (might be), I think the point about them removing interesting choices is imprecise: it might be true with grand abolisher for the most part, but I think ranger captain is actually super fun as the little game of chicken that almost always occurs when it comes to getting someone to pop the captain at a specific time generates some of the tensest and most fun moments in many games.
I watch your videos almost every morning to start my day out right with wholesome magic content. Joe going off about how much they love board Wipes absolutely made my Friday. 💯
So glad to hear it! ❤️
I completely agree, that for some reason, having your spell countered is worse than having your creature destroyed. I don’t know what it is about it. But I was playing magic with my dad yesterday and he used my mono blue deck and countered half my stuff and I realized how brutal it feels to be countered. (I also took the mono blue deck apart because I didn’t realize how horrible it felt to play against it)
This is not a tier list, this is a "how much we like to see it" list xD i do love it though, not gonna lie!
I feel like the main problem with counterspells is there's little to no way to protect your cards from them, it all depends on if your opponent has them or not. You can put hexproof and indestructible on a permanent on the board, you can use protection spells, or try bouncing it, but the only way to stop a counterspell is with a counterspell or a few specific cards and effects that don't work in most situations. It requires the blue player to have good timing, but realistically if they have a counter there's nothing you can do but accept it
The reason i personally dislike counter spell is because unless you are playing blue, there is no way to deal with it. If someone cast a removal there is always the chance you have some way of dealing with it. If you arent playing blue, the blue player is allowed to counter everything and the other people just have to watch. It definitely depends on level tho. If an infinite combo gets countered fair, since that is prob the only way of dealing with it. But i guess since me and my friends play a lower level it mostly comes down to, I decide what you play.
Not if play red card that counters blue spells 🙂
It’s funny for me because I also really hate counterspells but ironically I find in my play group I’m the one who ends up using them the most
I think thats why you see "unless you pay X" on counterspells in limited formats....
But like free counter spells, once that geenie out of the bottle, who's not gonna run it?
Dude blue has no other way of dealing with this permanently. Its their way of removel. live with it.
Welcome to being a blue player. If I'm the only blue player at the table, then I have to play my counterspells accordingly. In the end, I only have 7 cards in hand. Eventually they run out of cards/counterspells. Learn to play against a blue player. That's the only way you'll get good.
46:43 The silence had me DYING lol. Great video guys!
When it comes to removal or counter spells, “make them have it.”
Indeed!
Now I want to see your top 10 most fun cards each of you play in your decks, pet cards, or something. Maybe I'm missing a video here and you've already done it. You guys make so much content!
We did a pet card video a while back
14:05 Dromoka is literally "Teferi in the Skies" - good one
The thing about Counterspells is that when a person uses it, they are usually ahead. They could save mana during their main phase to protect their position instead of improving there position. A counterspell stops someone from getting board presence.
A spot removal on the other hand is more commonly used to catch up to someone (of course not always, but when you're ahead you probably don't use removal unless something is threatening to surpass you position). A spot removal takes something from someone who already has something.
In real life, you would you think is the bigger asshole? A person stealing a car from someone who's been driving it for a while or a person stealing someones first car right outside the car dealership.
Really looking forward to the video on game winning haymaker cards (mostly sorceries, except Craterhoof) - I hate when I lose to effects like that. Aren't playing blue / don't have counter magic? You lose. It feels like pooping your pants, which I've done. There, I said it.
My friend has a mono-white Zetalpa deck that's essentially built around board wiping and attacking people with Zetalpa, lol. Everyone pretty much groans when he pulls that deck out, but I think it's still a good challenge and makes for a fun game.
Also, on Gray Merchant and Dockside Extortionist, I think that if WOTC had made their ETBs trigger only "if you cast it from your hand" or maybe trigger when they die, but then they exile themselves, then they would have been more fair and balanced, and thus more fun to play against, at least in my opinion
I actually played a game with someone who had a “board wipe tribal” deck that wasn’t Avacyn. He had so many board wipes and stax pieces but wasn’t advancing his board at all. When I asked what his win con was he said he didn’t have one, he just likes really long, 3hr games.
That sounds super annoying
Eating a counter spell compared to a swords to plowshares is noooot the same thing. That counter spell could have stopped damn near anything but will 97% of the time be used on impulse to stop something that wouldn’t have ended anybody while likely effectively taking the target player out of the game and allowing another player who was obviously further ahead to run away with everything.
It’s interesting your so high in board wipes. In my experience they don’t do much except prolong the game. It’s like the guy who’s mana screwed board wipes and now we pretty much play an entire new game.
Depends on your strategy. If you are piloting a graveyard deck, then a board wipe can actually gain you value while destroying your opponents. This extra value means that your (personal) game gets advanced, so that the game isn’t stalled from your perspective. Spell slinger decks lose maybe half a turn, but they don’t get set back in terms of gameplan, so boardwipes are decent removal. However, in a big-creatures-go-smash deck, a board wipe is just stalling.
boardwipes are inefficient..no cedh decks pack wraths..even rift is losing its taste
I think swords is more fun that counterspell because you get zero payoff with counterspell. Maybe at least you can squeeze in an etb trigger with Sun Titan or feel like the creature got to see the light of day. Even if you didn’t do anything it feels like you did something.
I genuinely don't think I've ever seen Sol Ring or Mana Crypt "Ruin" a game of commander
Interesting, it maybe how we view the word ruin
@@NitpickingNerds Perhaps. I would much rather see Sol ring on turn 1 than Serra Ascendant and it's not even close. It doesn't make sense when I think about it logically, but it's just how I feel about it lol
@Jamie I said I haven't seen Sol Ring or Mana Crypt ruin a game. I understand all of the points about how it could ruin a game, but you shouldn't make assumptions about what I do or don't think about, or tell me anything about what I have experienced, especially since whether or not a game is ruined is a matter of opinion.
@Jamie that’s not what I said, read my comment again
17:03 I feel like I can explain why Counterspells feel so bad to play with / against. It's because your 1 Island that you left untapped after doing everything you wanted on your turn shouldn't be able to basically cancel out my 5, 8, 12 - mana spell. It just doesn't seem fair.
And in a way, it's actually anti-interaction, because if and when you counter something, you don't even give it a chance to exist and be a threat on the board. It's straight off the the graveyard, potentially never to be seen again for the rest of the game.
"that really got away from us".... Beezy comin through in the close for a great laugh...
Counterspell is a bigger feel bad than removal because you have less options to play around it. The only way to respond to a counter is with another counter. You can't sacrifice it, blink it, give it protection, hexproof, indestructable etc.
"My turn, seems like there's lots of creatures, welcome to the DAMN NATION!"
"Damn"
"Damn"
"Damn"
I think a common decision criteria for including/playing creatures is to somehow get benefit once it resolves, either via etb or activated/triggered abilities, in an effort to play around interaction. Counterspells remove almost all value from casting a creature, but if I cast a 5 drop and it gets hit by StP but I get to draw or trigger something as a consolation prize I still feel like I took a meaningful action.
I hate starting really well. Everyone targets the hell out of you. I get it, but that’s why I play my really good hands slowly. Ease into it, match the tables energy.
I get so confused when people hate on certain strategies (other than the trolls who just try to make the game miserable). Like, we’re playing a game, each player with the intention of winning. It feels like people are just constantly saying “DOOOOOOON’T! Just let me do my thing!”
On the other hand, sitting through 14 turns of one guy playing with himself is... Not a great time (unless you're into that sort of thing).
@@japplek Right, that’s the guy who told their play group to not run any counter spells, so they could do their thing.
Teferi's Protection has made every game I have experienced it in feel bad.
The good thing about this list is that even though some of these cards (Dockside Extortionist, Necropotence) are pushed, I don’t think they are cause for a ban....yet
Necropotence is basically the same as yawgmoth’s bargain which is banned so it should probably be banned
Interesting you put Recruiter of the Guard over Lightning Greaves. Personally, I don't care how narrow tutors are they're still unfun as the casting player will grab the same card 95% of games.
Agreed. I don't mind if folks use tutors to grab answers, but when it's to grab their engine or combo piece, why are we even playing the "random format" of EDH?
Absolutely. All tutors (except possibly fetch lands) are poop tier.
@@corryborowic8322 fetch lands are too good imo. The fixing takes the downsides away from having a 3-5 color manabase
I pooped my pants when I was 27. I had just driven across the country and moved in with some people I found online. The second day of living with them, we decided to hang out and go to the beach for a hike. So I thought I'd get a healthy start and make a smoothie for breakfast. The drive took a couple hours and my guts started to feel a little weird, but I didn't say anything. Even when we arrived at the trailhead, I continued to think I should just hold it in. I think I was worried about making them wait. I didn't even step out of the parking lot before I realized my mistake. I quickly turned around and clenched as hard as I could while briskly walking to the bathroom. Then, 10 feet from the door, I exploded.
Even though I don’t agree with some of your opinions on specific cards, you guys put out some good content. Been playin for 20+ years and you guys learned me on Obeka. Had to take that one apart….
It's interesting that everyone's fun teir list is different. I've never seen a serra ascendant cast in my play group. And a gray merchant doesn't bug me at all. I think this is a big pain for the casual format because we can't have a tier list discussion for every card for a rule 0 conversation.
That's why I think we need clear guidance for what is restricted to "sideboard" cards. That gives a starting point for the rules 0 Convo, and a baseline power level (stick that fast mana in your sideboard, and play a fair game first)
OK OK guys i have to give credit where credit is due. So i took your advice and took grave titan out of my wilhelt deck and replaced it with Tainted adversary and WOW the HUGE difference it had made each time Adversary came up i was glad it wasnt Grave titan, Adversary its just sooooo much more useful, early game its a blocker and early aggression and if i need 3 bodies which i usually use titan for adversary does it 1 mana cheaper AND its a zombie AND late game he was a decent mana sink to re-populate my board for more sacrificing fun!!! ty guys with just 1 switch i feel like my deck got 3 more plays than just a 6 mana lighting rod for removal that was grave titan
Beezy, I've never pooped my pants, but I've been trying for years. I mean, I could willfully just go in my pants, but I don't think that counts. I need to lose all control of my bowels inside of a Big Lots, or get stuck on the highway after eating too many gas station cheeseburgers. I'm so envious of anyone who has accomplished this feat!
Perhaps it's just me, but when it comes to counter spells vs spot removal, I feel like at least with removal it felt as if I got to play my card and also once its resolved, perhaps I have instant speed ways to protect it. If I'm not in blue chances are I am unlikely able to do anything about a counter spell.
That’s fair
Well, what do you want blue to do? Just Unsummon everything?
@@reckiuh I'm not saying whether or not counters should be run, I'm just simply explaining (at least from my perspective) the feeling of having something countered vs removed.
@@itsmattybuhh6622 It certainly stings a bit more 😂
Given not just commander but any format, I like playing value based decks where I have creature etb effects regularly or dies effects, counterspells suck
I dunno. I kinda like Free Spells in explicitly casual builds. They can be a really good glue that holds your hardcore jank together.
Yes, you can totally tap out for that ridiculous do-nothing 7-mana enchantment and not get blown up by all the dumb staples on the crack back.
Magic as Richard Garfield intended!
Counterspells are significantly less fun to me than removal. ETBs aside, it feels like a lot of interaction is removed unless you're running countermagic or anti-countermagic. To me, it's definitely more fun to have something on the field be targeted and figure out how to defend it.
Grand abolisher adds a ton of tension to the game. If its not removed, you're gonna have a problem. Also helps white decks, which already struggle.
I will say in defense Tooth and Nail - For those of us who don’t run infinite combos, it’s a great toolbox card. I run a Naya deck with Bruse-Kodama, and it’s just fun grabbing creatures toolbox creatures.
Hell yeah! Been too long since we had a good tier list
Ice can tap or untap stuff, and can be used to generate any color mana.
The Bills sure pooped their pants on that drive with 13 seconds left. But honestly I feel for you guys as my Dad is a big Bills fan and he was so bummed out.
It was so depressing
Me remembering my turn 1 windfall…
Chrome mox imprinting boggle, forest, sol ring, windfall felt good
5:24 theoretically you could play turn 1 cradle, ornithopter, memnite, kobolds of kher keep, rograkh, + crimson kobolds, followed by tapping cradle for 5 mana, playing ashnods altar, sacking the creatures, you now have 10 colourless plus 2 green then play liege of the hollows+ nim death mantle sac the liege paying 4 for the trigger and 4 for the deathmantle, sac the liege and the squirrels this time paying 6 for the liege trigger, repeat for infinite squirrels and colourless mana. Technically not a turn one win but you have infinite 1/1s turn one
I pooped my pants!
(That ending conversation had me DYING laughing)
Necropotence became Necroophones on CC. This is the new name of the card for me!
I think the reason people have less fun getting their stuff counted because it's like telling someone no vs letting them actually play their cards then destroying them.
I appreciate the birthday wishes guys keep up the great videos.
I had a fantastic game involving 3 cyclonic rifts last weekend, and we all had a blast that game. Took 3 hours tho.
I've pooped myself before. One time, I managed to poop all over a wall
I have Champion of Stray Souls in my Sidisi deck and it's my favorite win con in there. Izoni, Thousand Eyes and Apprentice Necromancer one turn, next turn Apprentice sacs into Champion. Champion activation sac the bugs, pull out everything. It's a good play.
Oh boy! Content? From the nerds? On my birthday? This is the best.
Enjoy!
Beezy: raise your hand if you've pooped your pants
Everyone else: so about those cards
Me: which time? I have at least 3 hilarious stories. It happens.
A wincon discussion is a good idea, would love to see!
You know a format is well designed when the bottom two tiers have 50% more cards than the top 3 tiers.
Well that is by design honestly for the video. Most cards are neutral
Yeah but you're also watching a NN video. They complain about literally everything.
Ok I understand, that Grand Abolisher, etc. are unfun if in a combo environment. I personally am using named card to protect my mono white voltron commander from being interacted with. The reason behind this is to not waste my mana on equip costs. Same can be said for auras, which might result in a 2 for 1 through a spot removal.
Your opinions on staples mirrors my playgroup almost completely. We've agreed not to play Sol Ring because of its gamebreaker tendencies and we also skip the "fetch anything" tutors. I'm also on the fence regarding removing Smothering Tithe from my Liesa deck. On one hand I need it but on the other hand it could leave a slot for a much more fun card imho.
I saw Jeska's will and knew immediately.
I bought 30 of them at a buck a piece
I personally don‘t have a problem with counterspells. It‘s just that I like some more than others and the og is too efficient for my opinion. (Counterspells I like: Mana tithe, spellpierce, any counterspell for 3 or more)
Thank you for the birthday wishes! Love your content
Why do I always get the best videos recommended to me on the night before my exams 😫😫
Would y’all ever be interested in doing a video just like this but commons and uncommons only?
All the deck I have that have Tooth and Nail aren't used to tutor up combo pieces, I did that once by accident and then removed the instant win combo.
"Let us know about all your poops" Nah,I'm good.
I personally feel that calling for bans hurts magic more than not. Take a look at people's faith in standard. How many cards were banned last year ? Enough for me to quit playing standard. That's how many. I took up commander, because there are homes for the cards that I enjoyed from the beginning to the end. Instead of asking for bans, just talk it out with your group. That is the absolute beauty of commander.
So, don't ban universally, but ban locally?
I agree with that
Yes. With your group, or store even that you play in. I think that will keep sales heathier, and therefore help keep magic alive and healthy for years to come. All speculation and opinion though.
I play 14 of these cards in various decks - but the intention behind them being included, and the lacking repetition in my semi-janky decks, bring all those 14 cards to minimum being a C imho.
You know you don’t like skull clamp when you don’t play it in a Teysa Karlov deck
I'd love for you guys to do a video on having a game winning combo/boardstate but choosing not to win. Two of my friends have "group hug" decks but will have a combo on standby in case anyone tries to mess with them. I hate playing against their decks so I opt out of those games but I'd like to hear your take.
Smothering Tithe is one of the most triggerING cards, too. 😂
Tutors are like plows hares and counter and board wipes. It's the high powered decks that make them not fun. They can be used to help the board state and politics
If they rift on your turn play seedtime.
If they counter your spell on your turn... play seedtime
One thing we have to realize about counter spells is this: the best ones hit every card type that can be cast. You can not compare Counterspell to Swords to Plowshares because Swords hits literally only creatures.
Another good point is that destroy/exile spells are more often than not used when something has proven to be a threat. Counter spells are a pre-emptive strike to the most game changing spells, which is like pulling the rug out from under someone's feet.
Counter spells can be viewed as over-powered due to the side net they cast, and in my opinion I agree. Discard spells are almost always sorceries because they take counter spells one step further, not even letting someone cast the best spells.
I understand the necessity for board wipes, but I would rather see more 1 for 1, 2 for 1, and 3 for 1 interaction and fewer board wipes
Yeah I would love to see that too. But for me fieldwhipes are getting under powered and I'd like to see some better fieldwhipes in the settle the wreckage space too. (instant conditional or unconditional al 5cmc+ so you can rebuild first.
In the matter of tutors, I really think that the context of your deck and its power level is important. I mainly play powerful tutors in my lesser powered decks and in most of my games with them, I didn't use them to get something to put me ahead but instead to respond to threats (and I do love Scheming Symmetry in that aspect, banding with a few other players to eliminate the threat).
I do think that in the most supported strategies, they are just too good, but when you play a lesser powered tribe or a kind of janky under-supported strategy, it might just bring your deck from unplayable to an ok powerlevel, given you don't abuse them.
When I play with tutors, I mainly have 1 or 2 (outside of lands) and the most powerful ones only in my weakest decks. I find it more healthy and interesting that way, but I do tend to play games with not that much power anyway.
Re: your poll idea:
Would you rather:
1. Have your creature hit with swords to plowshares
2. Have your creature countered
3. Be forced to discard your creature from your hand by an opponent
4. Have your creature pacified or otherwise shut down
5. Have the card stolen from your hand/library and played by your opponent (Tibalt, Tegrid, etc.)
Suggestion for if you ever update this list - extra turn spells that aren’t Expropriate. I run 3 in my Octavia deck as a way to tap out, swing out, and then have another turn to attack and leave up interaction. Really strong but sometimes people hate extra turn spells for sure
I had a teferis protection played against me when I had a collosified eldrazi with doublestrike (sure win) I fought....and tried to continue (I needed to top deck to do so) but that was a fun game!
43:49 Lmao you guys are the best, that was funny asf Beezy
I like to play tooth and nail into a blazing archon and avatar of slaughter, makes for stupid endgames and it’s not a guarantee win cause they’re vulnerable to removals.
I want to see a world in commander where land destruction is not complained about and it is just all part of the game.
I feel as though land destruction is just another version of ramp.
The big difference for me is that ramp speeds up the game while land destruction slows it down
Yes, I agree to a certain extent.
I don't play land destruction myself but it doesn't necessarily slow down the person with the land destruction.
Perhaps this is a good topic for NN to address in a video one day. Maybe a few polls also?
Anyone else start thinking, “todays the day?!” When the Nerds haven’t posted anything and it’s passed noon??
The day that never comes!
@@NitpickingNerds loved the topic today. I think I’ve commented more on this video than any other so far.
I think something can be needed for the format (counter spells) and still be unfun. I'd put counter farther down the list. C at most, because it can be fun when an opponent counters another opponent's spell.
I think sol ring being so popular balances it out plus some decks are very nearly better off without it that it never really bothers me
Complacent Bowl Syndrome 🤣🤣🤣
But for real, couldn't agree more on your list! I especially hate "I Win the Game" cards like expropriate and Tooth and Nail and stuff. And a big reason is because it feels like those cards take advantage of people committing to casual, longer games. You can do nothing all game and just win because you made land drops, and you can really only do that when other players aren't speeding towards winning or combos early, i.e. committed to longer, grindy games that are part of casual commander.
I've been constipated for like a week before. That was fun...
counterspells feel bad because people waste your time going "ummm yeah umm maybe hold on... wait... yeah i let that resolve" ITS A FUCKING LAND YOU CANT COUNTERSPELL A LAND
I don't mind counter magic, if they bother me I always put a few cards in to combat that interaction. Too many feels degenerate at times, but I always try to build decks with fun in mind, functional synergy/decent amount of interaction, and a few insurance type cards. I feel alot of players don't run enough counter meta cards, if it's boardwipe heavy, punish your oppoents by playing a heroic intervention or boros charm. Greedy Mana bases run a ruination. Get value from your opponents deck imbalances.
90% of the time I play demonic tutor, I’m going for urborg 😂