They are all junk. 10 speed or 8 speed. My 2019 High Country is the last GM product I will ever buy again. Sold it back to the dealership. Was a Chevy guy for life. Not anymore. The company is completely out of touch.
100% agree, had 2020 GMC Sierra with the 3.0 Duramax and they wanted $1000 to do transmission service. They refused to honor warranty for leaking back window, last GM product I ever buy.
Most of the manufacturers are at this point. Everyone is making trash pretty much, if theyre not then theyre using substandard parts. Were in the dark ages of car ownership.
4 speed is better. But you're absolutely right about the old 300 6 cylinder. What makes them so reliable is the fact that there is no timing chain or timing belt. The timing is gear to gear. Never ever seen one sheer or jump time. Because they cant jump time. They are the best motors ever made. 79 f150
This applies to Ford's too. The 10 speed trans and all its variations that gm uses are a shared platform between Ford and gm. Ford just changes the L in the name to an R
I have no problems with my 2019 Sprinter and all my stuff is dry!! Less expensive than a pickup even though it's a Mercedes Benz!!! Why buy a headache 😭
Personally I rather have vehicles no newer then 1977 and older even better. I rather put my money into a older vehicle then keep putting more and more money into a new vehicle that never going to be as dependable as the older vehicles are if their taken care of!
As long as it keeps the EPA happy. Nobody cares about the pollution created by making all the replacement parts. Oh, wait, never mind it's all about filling pockets under the table.
@@christopherswanson1628 the l60e transmission Works absolutely fine unless you modify the engine or abuse the vehicle. Everybody schitts on it and there's nothing wrong with it. If you actually make some effort to treat the vehicle the right way and keep the transmission from cooking, it works just fine. The issue is everybody keeps adding horsepower to their cars and the 5.3 is pretty much already putting out with a 4 L 60 can handle. If you're going to add a Turbocharger to it then that's what you get. When you leave them alone they work just fine. People forget that a lot of GM Transmissions are in heavy-duty off-road and commercial vehicles. Nobody has an issue with them. It's just the Ford Fanboys talking shit...meanwhile they can't make a work-related reliable V8 engine since literally the 351.
Yup, both the GM and Ford versions of the 10L80 or 10R80 should be under the lemon law by now. 2018-present are junk. Really makes me wish I wouldn’t have bought my truck which I really enjoy except the transmission problems with less then 90k miles. My wife’s hemi ram is over 130k flawless drivetrain (2012)
@sradams21 my 2008 silverado has 320 on it. Original drivetrain only semi major thing I've had to do was the oil pump. Ran on low pressure for 20k miles ticking and all once I put the new pump in it quieted right down
I hear they're not wanting to warranty it. Same with the lifter getting stuck. They don't consider it a "manufacturing problem". They're calling it a "Design problem" to change the wording and bypass the warranty. I've seen this happening with as little as 7k miles on brand new trucks. It's disgusting!
Not surprised at all…. Once you own the car the dealers don’t want to know or see you ever again and will do the absolute least they can to fix anything
@@timc9893 Thank you! I am going to keep this in mind! I'm in the market now and am looking to buy a truck outright for myself and an SUV for someone else in September. This is great advice to keep in mind.
The 4L60 is rock solid, but it did have it's own issues. The stock clutch packs are trash. Typically, the 2/3 clutch pack lets go, and you won't have 3rd or 4th.
@@crazyorwhat Yeah, I had a ‘05 GTO where the 2/3 clutch burned up. It was a sad day. Raybestos has an aftermarket clutch pack for the 4L60. That, along with a beefy trans cooler, and you’re gold.
Drove a 04 5spd accord with a dry gearbox for abt 5k miles only realize it was dry because it had stopped leaking oil. Fill her bck up n she kept going
I’ve literally had a 04 accord come into my shop for hard shifting and shaking and it had no trans fluid In it fixed the leak and filled it up and it went on down the road just fine
Did the same thing with a 05 acura TL 6 speed. Noticed a leak, drove to work and went to change the fluid. Well, there was none! Fixed the seal and filled it up and never had an issue.
That's the domestic thinking....we'll "get them" with service and parts after the warranty period. Yet the Japanese thinking is...we'll "get them" with all their future car purchases due to building such reliable cars. You either make money on the service drive and parts and piss people off, or less in these departments, but more in the long run due to loyal customers for LIFE!
The transmission went out in my brother’s 4x4 Silverado at 103,000 miles. Neither GM, the dealer where he purchased the truck or extended warranty company (purchased 100k extended warranty) would repair the truck. They wanted just over $8,000 to repair or replace the transmission. My brother sold the truck and went back to buying Dodges. That was his first and only Chevrolet. Transmission had a whining noise.
That's why I'd never buy an extended warranty ever again. Back in 2000,I bought a 95 Chevy S-10 4cyl. The head cracked,or it was cracked when I bought it about a week prior. I took it back, and they said they fixed it. I marked the head with blue paint before I brought it back. All they did was dump stop leak in it. I drove it for a couple of weeks,and I found the crack & it was leaking into the #3 spark plug hole,causing a random misfire. Brought it back down there. This time, they replaced the head, but they had the freaking detail shop replace it and didn't tell me. I was pissed when I found out,but I needed the truck to get to work. They assured me that it was done correctly, but they didn't. They had the spark plug wires mixed up. Believe it or not, the 94 & newer Chevy/Isuzu 2.2L will run just fine with the spark plug wires mixed up because it fires on both the intake and exhaust stroke,but it won't get out of its own way if they're mixed up. I figured that out about a month later when I gave it a tune-up. I will never buy an extended warranty ever again. You're better off just saving the money you would have spent on the extended warranty just in case you break down. They always come up with some damn reason(s) why they won't cover it. They're a waste of money and a false sense of security.
That's cool. He will get to replace a bunch of electronics at 32,000 miles instead, and then the transmission at 60,000. Trust me, today's Dodge ain't a 318 Mopar with a 727 my friend.
@@ashes2ashes863 You are correct. Except I don’t trust any manufacturer these days. Even if they want to genuinely make a good vehicle and not cheap out it’s gonna be screwed over by emissions bs. I mostly mess with classic fords, but I would gladly take a Chevy, mopar, or dodge from the old days. The only thing that I’d have to keep fixing would be the mopar lower control arm bushings if you know what I’m talking about.
Now days they don’t even want to sell you the parts to fix their screwups, they want to just sell you an new transmission that will break in the same way.
@@jetmr_5043 of course they are, as they build the 9 speed front drive version of this trans. Ford design is responsible for the 10 speed rear, but it is a problem with the gear being too loose not the idea of it being a bad design. GM is responsible to see the design off paper and getting the parts, assembly and and installation/software. Either the coefficients of expansion are not calculated properly or better would be a herringbone gear and it doesn’t require so much attention to thrust
@@dennis-nz5im 8/9 speed are Transaxles, 10 speed is a transmission. Two completely different units. The GM 10L80 and Ford 10R80 are the same though except application specific parts.
My understanding is, that Ford and Gm developed it together to help meet fuel mileage and emissions requirements for new vehicles. As systems get more complex the fallacy of engineers becomes more apparent. I think they should be required to service the crap they design.
Ya that’s bad that idler bearing has the same size rollers as my skateboard wheel bearings. That problem is never going away.. UNTIL. Someone comes up with a mod
The most common Trans failure we see with the gm trans in the aftermarket is actually the v4 to v8 cross over creating a Trans converter failure. That's the actual cause of the drive gear issue
That is for 6L80 transmissions not 10L80s. The converters rarely fail on the 10L80/90. The 10L1000 in the Duramax-equipped diesels have way more converter failures.
From what our gm field rep explained it to me where it’s a cross cut gear design and not a straight cut gear design where it’s running in a angle it’s putting too much stress on the bearing it self and allowing it to wear out and walk off the race
I have an 07 vortec max. (Newer body style not the classic) 230k and still going strong. Original transmission that’s been religiously maintained and still shifts smooth and does not slip. 4L70e.
I have a 95’ Montero all original still going strong. No engine or transmission issues. I change the tranny fluid and clean out the screen filter about every 3 years or so. Still shift smoothly. 28 years old and it still works. 🤦🏾♂️
There are typically two ways to prevent this from happening. One is a properly designed interference fit. The second is the use of a cylindrical bonder like Loctite 609 or other variant, and possibly a primer. Of course, operating temperatures should be factored into the solution. Cleanliness of mating surfaces (if bonding) is very important.
Why is it these car manufacturers have been building crap for over 100 years and it's now turning to complete garbage? And why does everybody think I'm a moron for driving vehicles that are 50 years old? I don't have issues like that with my 68 Pontiac.
Doesn’t it somehow bother you that in 1969 Americans put a man on the moon and 50 years later the top engineers in the country can’t make three gears run together with any amount of reliability.
Great work but any car other than a super charged shouldn't whine or make obsessive sounds if you can't hear your exhaust at all the car has an issue somewhere FYI
I'm so glad that I have not encountered most of the typical problems associated with my vehicle. I think that they got the last production year of the model corrected of 90%. That, or an A plus dealer service. Somebody is doing it right.
Where the hell do I get it fixed though? My dealer had my new 24’ for a week and said they can’t work on it and to “keep driving it.. it’s under warranty, bring it back at your first oil change or if it gets louder”…
My ram got destroyed by a nodding heroine addict so now I have a chitvy, it has half the power and uses almost twice the gas as my Hemi did , it does ride Better though 😏
Stick to Toyota with Aisan transmissions. GM has been making automatic transmissions for how long? So now in 2023 they are making transmissions that fail fast, like it was their first try! Worst apparently is they run from their problems, instead of making things right. There was a time when a Chevy vehicle was cheap and reliable, that’s a story for your grandchildren now.
So no lock ring to hold everything in place. Really gm. Did some penscil pusher tell you that you could save 10 cents for every lock ring. Wow did you not learn from the big lawsuit you lost over a small pin for the key. That got your buyers killed.
The newer more involved vehicles are, the more expensive they are and the quality and reliability just keep going down.. Why the hell do we need a 10 speed transmission anyway?
Looks like the ‘97 Corolla is still the best option
94
I have a 96 1.6 that we gave my son. just make sure the differential stays full of fluid it will never quit
My 03 corolla has 325k on it still running strong.
97 is the year for sure, best cheapest car ever made, they are still driving them in the middle east, stands up to the punishment
I have a 97, and even though it burns a little oil its bullet proof at 34mpg
I only hear it when my wife is in the vehicle with me
Different sorta whines!
@@rsbreeze but oddly similar!
And more annoying and more expensive...
Just the opposite, I can't hear anything when she's in the car.
@@tonyt8807 think u missed it ?? I'm saying the whining noise is her
They are all junk. 10 speed or 8 speed. My 2019 High Country is the last GM product I will ever buy again. Sold it back to the dealership. Was a Chevy guy for life. Not anymore. The company is completely out of touch.
100% agree, had 2020 GMC Sierra with the 3.0 Duramax and they wanted $1000 to do transmission service. They refused to honor warranty for leaking back window, last GM product I ever buy.
9 speed on traverse also junk.
@@omasis19 why the hell did you buy a traverse in the first place?
Most of the manufacturers are at this point. Everyone is making trash pretty much, if theyre not then theyre using substandard parts. Were in the dark ages of car ownership.
@@HarleySLAYou don't remember the '70s . Cars making 100,000 miles was noteworthy then
Its just failing earlier then intended.
Shouldn't fail,
Yet I can go to any backwoods salvage yard and pull a th350 out of a 74 Malibu and there's like a 70% chance it still works.
😂😂😂 so damn true
I like those odds
Just fire up the Malibu and drive it out. It'll be solid for another 20 years while the 2020 models live at the dealership
Can confirm lol. I’ve done it
2ND best transmission 1ST is the TH400
Planned obsolescence kicked in early like a V-Tech solenoid 😂
VTEC. No H
@@DONTCALLMETHAT right. Damm autocorrect, but you get the idea.
@@grapeseed427 I do😂
Not trying to be a dick 😂
Oh don't get Honda in this buddy. All Honda makes is shit now too. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is why my 1994 Ford F-150 with a I6 4.9L 300 coupled to a manual 5spd is still the best vehicle. 😅
4 speed is better. But you're absolutely right about the old 300 6 cylinder. What makes them so reliable is the fact that there is no timing chain or timing belt. The timing is gear to gear. Never ever seen one sheer or jump time. Because they cant jump time. They are the best motors ever made. 79 f150
I feel the same way about my 94 straight 6 5spd dodge diesel
This applies to Ford's too. The 10 speed trans and all its variations that gm uses are a shared platform between Ford and gm. Ford just changes the L in the name to an R
I was just thinking the same but couldn't remember if that was the case still. I drive a 2022 manual Ford so I should be good either way.
Correct!
I always thought manufacturers just bought the patent or the parts from a different supplier and used them…getrag, Aisin, Borg Warner, tremec etc
Alot of people don't realize ford design this transmission
@@ryukuseymour this is about trucks. Not Mustangs or Broncos. Ford hasn't offered a manual transmission, in at least ten years.
One more good reason NOT to buy new vehicles 2018 and up 😂.
I have no problems with my 2019 Sprinter and all my stuff is dry!! Less expensive than a pickup even though it's a Mercedes Benz!!!
Why buy a headache 😭
The older 8 speed are even worse. There's no where to hide with GM trannys.
I have a 2018 GMC Sierra SLT with the 5.3 & 8 spd transmission. I have no complaints whatsoever. 18-19 mpg with the range.
Personally I rather have vehicles no newer then 1977 and older even better. I rather put my money into a older vehicle then keep putting more and more money into a new vehicle that never going to be as dependable as the older vehicles are if their taken care of!
@@warrenlilly2091Mercedes and head ache belong in the same sentence but you've got it all wrong
As long as it keeps the EPA happy.
Nobody cares about the pollution created by making all the replacement parts.
Oh, wait, never mind it's all about filling pockets under the table.
4l80 wasnt bad enough. We need a 10l80. We go from 4 neutrals to 10
4L60 was even worse
4l80 is a beast
@@michaelm1573 yeah, I mispoke. Gimme a break it was late. I meant the 4l60 soup maker.
@@therandomchannel2022 my 4l60e has 324,000 miles on it and is still going
@@christopherswanson1628 the l60e transmission Works absolutely fine unless you modify the engine or abuse the vehicle. Everybody schitts on it and there's nothing wrong with it. If you actually make some effort to treat the vehicle the right way and keep the transmission from cooking, it works just fine. The issue is everybody keeps adding horsepower to their cars and the 5.3 is pretty much already putting out with a 4 L 60 can handle. If you're going to add a Turbocharger to it then that's what you get. When you leave them alone they work just fine. People forget that a lot of GM Transmissions are in heavy-duty off-road and commercial vehicles. Nobody has an issue with them. It's just the Ford Fanboys talking shit...meanwhile they can't make a work-related reliable V8 engine since literally the 351.
Seems like it should be recalled but let's guess Chevrolet is saying your on your own
You're
That’s exactly what happened
Yup, both the GM and Ford versions of the 10L80 or 10R80 should be under the lemon law by now. 2018-present are junk. Really makes me wish I wouldn’t have bought my truck which I really enjoy except the transmission problems with less then 90k miles. My wife’s hemi ram is over 130k flawless drivetrain (2012)
Recalls are for safety related issues. Probably won’t be recalled. At most a TSB may be issued.
@sradams21 my 2008 silverado has 320 on it. Original drivetrain only semi major thing I've had to do was the oil pump. Ran on low pressure for 20k miles ticking and all once I put the new pump in it quieted right down
I hear they're not wanting to warranty it. Same with the lifter getting stuck. They don't consider it a "manufacturing problem". They're calling it a "Design problem" to change the wording and bypass the warranty. I've seen this happening with as little as 7k miles on brand new trucks. It's disgusting!
Yes lets screw the customer that is paying 40-90 thousand dollars for a vehicle!
That should be worse and warrant a recall.
Not surprised at all…. Once you own the car the dealers don’t want to know or see you ever again and will do the absolute least they can to fix anything
Okay. Call your dealer and tell him to look up the following: "implied warranty of merchantability." Then let him know your lawyer will be in touch...
@@timc9893 Thank you! I am going to keep this in mind! I'm in the market now and am looking to buy a truck outright for myself and an SUV for someone else in September. This is great advice to keep in mind.
So if you abuse the 10 speed, you'll soon be on a ten speed. Lol.
Maybe GM can consult with Schwinn! 😂
Funny that speeds on bikes are decreasing at the same time as speeds in slush boxes are increasing....
😂😂😂
@@scottpearce7466Not anymore. Schwinns are made in China.
The problem is when u go the dealer they tell you "its normal"
My 4L60 is still bolted in my 2001. Still works perfectly, never a problem. Why are newly invented 10 speeds even on a repair bench?😂
The 4L60 is rock solid, but it did have it's own issues. The stock clutch packs are trash. Typically, the 2/3 clutch pack lets go, and you won't have 3rd or 4th.
My 4l80 is bulletproof.
@@Knight21030 like mine
@@crazyorwhat Yeah, I had a ‘05 GTO where the 2/3 clutch burned up. It was a sad day. Raybestos has an aftermarket clutch pack for the 4L60. That, along with a beefy trans cooler, and you’re gold.
EXCEPTION NOT THE RULE.... 4l60's are typically JUNK...
Drove a 04 5spd accord with a dry gearbox for abt 5k miles only realize it was dry because it had stopped leaking oil. Fill her bck up n she kept going
I’ve literally had a 04 accord come into my shop for hard shifting and shaking and it had no trans fluid In it fixed the leak and filled it up and it went on down the road just fine
Did the same thing with a 05 acura TL 6 speed. Noticed a leak, drove to work and went to change the fluid. Well, there was none! Fixed the seal and filled it up and never had an issue.
Crazy Tough units without oil, So I guess know what's leaking.
You know you guys should definitely send something to GM about that
They already know.
That’s pathetic! Whatever happened to the brand I loved? They plan them to make it barely through the warranty and that’s about it.
That's the domestic thinking....we'll "get them" with service and parts after the warranty period. Yet the Japanese thinking is...we'll "get them" with all their future car purchases due to building such reliable cars.
You either make money on the service drive and parts and piss people off, or less in these departments, but more in the long run due to loyal customers for LIFE!
They purchase the least expensive parts manufactured to build their products. Ford is not much better.
The transmission went out in my brother’s 4x4 Silverado at 103,000 miles. Neither GM, the dealer where he purchased the truck or extended warranty company (purchased 100k extended warranty) would repair the truck. They wanted just over $8,000 to repair or replace the transmission. My brother sold the truck and went back to buying Dodges. That was his first and only Chevrolet. Transmission had a whining noise.
That's why I'd never buy an extended warranty ever again. Back in 2000,I bought a 95 Chevy S-10 4cyl. The head cracked,or it was cracked when I bought it about a week prior. I took it back, and they said they fixed it. I marked the head with blue paint before I brought it back. All they did was dump stop leak in it. I drove it for a couple of weeks,and I found the crack & it was leaking into the #3 spark plug hole,causing a random misfire. Brought it back down there. This time, they replaced the head, but they had the freaking detail shop replace it and didn't tell me. I was pissed when I found out,but I needed the truck to get to work. They assured me that it was done correctly, but they didn't. They had the spark plug wires mixed up. Believe it or not, the 94 & newer Chevy/Isuzu 2.2L will run just fine with the spark plug wires mixed up because it fires on both the intake and exhaust stroke,but it won't get out of its own way if they're mixed up. I figured that out about a month later when I gave it a tune-up. I will never buy an extended warranty ever again. You're better off just saving the money you would have spent on the extended warranty just in case you break down. They always come up with some damn reason(s) why they won't cover it. They're a waste of money and a false sense of security.
That's cool. He will get to replace a bunch of electronics at 32,000 miles instead, and then the transmission at 60,000. Trust me, today's Dodge ain't a 318 Mopar with a 727 my friend.
@@ashes2ashes863 You are correct. Except I don’t trust any manufacturer these days. Even if they want to genuinely make a good vehicle and not cheap out it’s gonna be screwed over by emissions bs. I mostly mess with classic fords, but I would gladly take a Chevy, mopar, or dodge from the old days. The only thing that I’d have to keep fixing would be the mopar lower control arm bushings if you know what I’m talking about.
"If you have any gm, stop driving it" gotcha.
My 5 speed Manual 4x4 95 Toyota 4Runner with 220,000 miles still shift smooth like butter after all these years
bring back the classic manual transmission.
GM quality at it's finest. LOL
It's actually a Ford transmission. GM should have stuck with a real Allison.
Actually what he meant to say was, if you have a GM vehicle, stop driving it now. It's fixing to break.
My 10l80 has been making the winding noise for the last 35K miles. The noise is irritating but absolutely no issues at all. Still going strong.
Now days they don’t even want to sell you the parts to fix their screwups, they want to just sell you an new transmission that will break in the same way.
Sounds like this is an unfixable problem because after you fix it it's going to do it again😢
Probably not. Just looks like an upgrade of gears and possibly a hardened sleeve or bearing could fix that.
@@tomcocciand a snap ring to prevent it from walking
Thats wild, my boss had a new 2019 GMC truck and the transmission stated doing this, he got rid of it quick!
Engineered too fail
This is fantastic. Thank you for sharing!
Ford also uses that trans!
The gm 10l80e and the ford 10 speed are two different transmissions
@@jetmr_5043 no same exact transmission from hardware satndpoint you can even use parts from each other
@@jetmr_5043 of course they are, as they build the 9 speed front drive version of this trans. Ford design is responsible for the 10 speed rear, but it is a problem with the gear being too loose not the idea of it being a bad design. GM is responsible to see the design off paper and getting the parts, assembly and and installation/software. Either the coefficients of expansion are not calculated properly or better would be a herringbone gear and it doesn’t require so much attention to thrust
@@dennis-nz5im 8/9 speed are Transaxles, 10 speed is a transmission. Two completely different units. The GM 10L80 and Ford 10R80 are the same though except application specific parts.
My understanding is, that Ford and Gm developed it together to help meet fuel mileage and emissions requirements for new vehicles. As systems get more complex the fallacy of engineers becomes more apparent. I think they should be required to service the crap they design.
The issue is there's a pedal missing
I feel really bad for these poor Tecs that gotta deal with this junk
Job security
😂 why they making money
Why they are making money.
Ya that’s bad that idler bearing has the same size rollers as my skateboard wheel bearings. That problem is never going away.. UNTIL. Someone comes up with a mod
If it’s under warranty don’t listen to him drive it harder and blow it up and get a brand new one
Yep 👍
Chevy needs to do a recall on those transmissions
No need GM ain’t taking a hit on these Faulty designed transmission. They know Folks will continue to buy them regardless of problems
Gm screwed that pooch
“I not a smart man but I know something fucked up when something is fucked up” 😂
Note to all is don't buy a chevy THE END 😂
2006.2500HD 6.0 4L80E gang !!!! 255,000 5075 hr gang,,, #FUCKANEWTRUCK
Bring back the 400 Turbo-hydramatic
To sum it up, once again, GM has built more garbage and still charges an arm and a leg for their crappie products.
Just listen to the very last statement. Stop driving it....
Stop buying GM.
@@jk-kr8jt Precisely
GM & Ford developed the 10 speed together. However, they manufacture them separately. The Ford versions don't have this issue.
"stop driving it" you had me at GM.
Once again Scotty Kilmer is proven correct🙄
Nothing like school vehicle, built solid, not like the junks we see today.
Looks like gm quality at its peak for sure
4L80E FOR THE WIN! 😂🎉
My 98 Chevy 2500 is solid. lol 10 speed !
Chevy used to make the best trucks sad to see where they have fallen to
The most common problem with the 10 speed is they exist.
The most common Trans failure we see with the gm trans in the aftermarket is actually the v4 to v8 cross over creating a Trans converter failure. That's the actual cause of the drive gear issue
That is for 6L80 transmissions not 10L80s. The converters rarely fail on the 10L80/90. The 10L1000 in the Duramax-equipped diesels have way more converter failures.
Wondering what the difference is between the GM 10 speed and Ford 10 speed since it was a joint project. Does the Ford 10 speed have the same issue?
Was a Chevy guy when I was young , 25yrs later not a Chevy guy. My driveway is full of those vehicles I swore I'd never TOY ,,,,,,I mean buy.
I have a Chevy that the Chevy dealers mechanic said " The shop can't figure out what's wrong with it "
From what our gm field rep explained it to me where it’s a cross cut gear design and not a straight cut gear design where it’s running in a angle it’s putting too much stress on the bearing it self and allowing it to wear out and walk off the race
I think it’s an oil/ lube issue. Ford has the same set up and they don’t fail
I think the 10R80 is inherently noisier and that may have something to do with it
I had shudder in mine and out shudder fix that cured it.
But it’s wining when going super slow on slight downhill ( going with 5-10mph)
same, any details on this ?
@@jasesnow still the same . Drove 20-25k miles so far
I have a 2017 Sierra with the 6l80e and it’s been rebuilt twice now within 30k miles. Last shop only warranties to 24k 🤦🏼♂️
"Engineered to fail, designed for a short-term service life".
So is the 6 Speed transmission better than the 10Speed. ??
I’ll stick with my 4L60 bolted to my LM7👍🏻🇺🇸
Literally just started happening last month 😢
Best way to avoid that problem is to avoid GM.
Mine never made any whining noises. Just went straight to chattering, vibrating and hard shifting. Lmao
I have an 07 vortec max. (Newer body style not the classic) 230k and still going strong. Original transmission that’s been religiously maintained and still shifts smooth and does not slip. 4L70e.
Why can't they use allison or aisin transmissions? Literally, they care about profit over quality.
I have a 95’ Montero all original still going strong. No engine or transmission issues. I change the tranny fluid and clean out the screen filter about every 3 years or so. Still shift smoothly. 28 years old and it still works. 🤦🏾♂️
There are typically two ways to prevent this from happening. One is a properly designed interference fit. The second is the use of a cylindrical bonder like Loctite 609 or other variant, and possibly a primer. Of course, operating temperatures should be factored into the solution. Cleanliness of mating surfaces (if bonding) is very important.
should kept the manual transmission
Thanks now i know what not to buy
Why is it these car manufacturers have been building crap for over 100 years and it's now turning to complete garbage? And why does everybody think I'm a moron for driving vehicles that are 50 years old? I don't have issues like that with my 68 Pontiac.
The cost of trying to squeeze every drop of fuel economy out of today’s behicles. Admirable aspirations but shameful engineering failures.
Doesn’t it somehow bother you that in 1969 Americans put a man on the moon and 50 years later the top engineers in the country can’t make three gears run together with any amount of reliability.
Yep and you know people are not going to care only when it brakes down then they will start to whine. They won't listen.
Brakes???
@@davidbryant3532 yep I fouled up. When it breaks down first go get Breakfast and then put the brakes on your wallet ectomy!
Great work but any car other than a super charged shouldn't whine or make obsessive sounds if you can't hear your exhaust at all the car has an issue somewhere FYI
I can’t believe people still buy GM
Come on GM! They definitely did this on purpose.
I'm so glad that I have not encountered most of the typical problems associated with my vehicle. I think that they got the last production year of the model corrected of 90%. That, or an A plus dealer service. Somebody is doing it right.
I worked for gm for 18 years and theyve gotten exponentially worse... Id never entertain buying any later model gm.
Big trucks don't whine. 😂
lol
Where the hell do I get it fixed though? My dealer had my new 24’ for a week and said they can’t work on it and to “keep driving it.. it’s under warranty, bring it back at your first oil change or if it gets louder”…
Been seeing this issue alot latley on customer Silverados
Looks like Chevrolet hired all the Dodge transmission engineers! 😂😂😂 Good going Shit-rolet!
Sounds like a recall issue
Funny how the ZF 8 in the rams is damn near bullet proof and GM now has Garbage Transmissions and Engines….
I have been building the 10R80 for 8 yrs now. Same as the 10L80E. Pump gear noise is very common.
Anybody remember Chevy's planetary over drive. After 3 times, I bought a Ram.
2021 silverado is still going good at 182,000 miles
My ram got destroyed by a nodding heroine addict so now I have a chitvy, it has half the power and uses almost twice the gas as my Hemi did , it does ride Better though 😏
It will also run over more than a dozen heroin users without a dent in the bumper... just don't ask me how I know that.
Reasons why I am still thankful for manuals.
Whining while driving or at idle in park? So many questions to this “whining” statement.
Stick to Toyota with Aisan transmissions. GM has been making automatic transmissions for how long? So now in 2023 they are making transmissions that fail fast, like it was their first try! Worst apparently is they run from their problems, instead of making things right. There was a time when a Chevy vehicle was cheap and reliable, that’s a story for your grandchildren now.
So no lock ring to hold everything in place. Really gm. Did some penscil pusher tell you that you could save 10 cents for every lock ring. Wow did you not learn from the big lawsuit you lost over a small pin for the key. That got your buyers killed.
A longer bearing shaft, long enough for a cir-clip to keep the gear in place? I wonder if that would eliminate the issue?
People just gotta stop buying ford's gm till these companies learn to actually make good cars
I've been driving GM since 1987.
I just bought a Subaru, which has it's own quirks.
I'm telling all my customers to try to buy pre 2015 and hold on to it.
The newer more involved vehicles are, the more expensive they are and the quality and reliability just keep going down..
Why the hell do we need a 10 speed transmission anyway?