Avoid This Transmission Like the Plague
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- Transmissions you should avoid in these cars and trucks. Avoid This Transmission Like the Plague, DIY and car review with Scotty Kilmer. Top 10 worst transmission to buy. Is the Ford and GM 10 Speed automatic transmission reliable? Are Ford and GM cars and trucks good? Are Ford 10 speed transmissions worth it? Bad transmission not to buy. Should I buy a 10 speed transmission? Car Advice. DIY car repair with Scotty Kilmer, an auto mechanic for the last 52 years.
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GM and Ford transmissions aren't exactly the same and even within Ford, they are different depending on the model of truck, meaning 150 versus 250 etc.
Scotty got a Hyundai 2016 Tucson Limited with the 1.6 turbo engine and dual clutch transmission. Had no problems so far bought it used with 15,000 miles. In the course of 3 years have taken the vehicle to 74.000 miles. What is your experience on those vehicles with high mileage and if there’s any preventive maintenance I can do before anything goes wrong., I’ve only done wear and tear components tyres, brake pads, oil changes and filters.
Scotty i read an article that Hyundai was in development of a manual transmission with out a clutch
@@nokoolaid The Gm 10 speed is Not the same 10 speed ford uses, they have different soft ware and some hardware differences
@@cessealbeach I know, I think I said they were different. Scotty didn't make the differentiation. The version used on the 7.3 is different. Heavier duty internal parts than the one used in the F-150 and Mustang.
The only reliable ten speed I know about has "Schwinn" written on it.
That's a pretty good one
On your bicycle, you mean?
Honda 10at
Eaton or Fuller ,good 10 speed,Road Ranger
@1234 "Shimano" is the correct spelling for those wonderful 10 speeds in the 1970's that used those gears (my 1973 Peugeot 10 speed)
I drove a zf hp 8 speed and it was the best transmission I have ever driven, it shifts so fast and smooth I mean it feels better then any dct I ever drove. It’s the only auto I ever would consider getting over a stick.
I had a BMW 335 and it had it. Loved it so much. I sold it to get my Jeep Trackhawk. Didn’t realize until I bought it that it has the ZF8HP also and I couldn’t be happier.
👍
My 340i agrees with you. I wanted to drive a dodge with zf before i bought my 6.2 trailboss, but they had nothing in same class as tb. 3600miles and its going in for the trans shudder tmw. Ugh. Chevy has gone so down hill.
@@boostedbavarian power wagon isn't bad, can't remember how it compares to the trail boss though. so long as dodge keeps making the 5.7 and using the zf 8 speed I will be a customer. very reliable setup.
I currently have a bmw F10 520d, at the beginning I thought I was driving a DCT it changes gears so fast. Regular transmission oil change and it still works like new after 135k miles (built in Europe)
Couldn't be worst than my Altima's CVT!
Nissan is Japan’s Chevy
I'm sorry for your loss... of a car.
My dad’s altima has a 300k miles and still runs but its from 2006 im not sure if it has the same cvt from today’s altimas
Anything can be worse.
Anything can be better.
ALF ALPHA, oh yeah i forgot XD
I beat my 10 speed like a red headed step child day in and out and never have had a single hiccup.
Same here I’ve got a 6.2 Sierra and I’m pretty rough on it when it’s race night. Not a single problem. I have had mine a year now
@Greg B You do realize the 10 speed has been out for 4 years, right? You do realize they're in vehicles that are WELL used.. beaten on.. right? Sit down
I have 2019 f150 4x4 10 speed, 25k no issues to date, I’ve pulled boat trailer and flatbed car carrier, so far so good, still love the ride.. I noticed fuel economy isn’t 21mpg, I’m typically around 19mpg.
@Greg B "You do realize" You can get the 6 speed in the W/T and custom. Then, the 8 speed only comes in the lower HP motors like the 2.7 and 5.3. The 3.0 diesel and 6.2 still have the 10 speed.
The 10 speed is in literally everything from the Mustang to High Country
@Greg B the 10speed only starts to act up when you start putting more horsepower. It’s harder to tune because GM doesn’t like people messing with their stuff apparently so people leave the trans tune stock and have too much hp.
A real man admits when they are wrong. You sir, are a real man. Good evening, Scotty.
evening!
I own the car with the transmission. Had its fluid checked out. And since then, with the addition of half a quart. I have had the best experience with it. Just really need to let it warm up on a cold morning. It's the biggest part about it. Let it warm and get that fluid level checked.
I just had a talk with my buddy about this topic. Real mature adults will admit when they are wrong. U will be surprised that many folks will lie straight to your face when they know damn well they are wrong because of their pride and ego.
@@troytruong8246 Sounds like a politician.
@@Jamesz_hunt your mom too 👍
You've missed several important things here Scotty...
1. Both GM light duty trucks use one of 3 different transmissions depending on trim level, engine, etc... The new Escalade, Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban, Yukon XL exclusively use the 10 speed. GM did not ditch the 10 speed.
2. Ford didn't ditch the GM transverse transmission all together, through their analysis they didn't deem the 9th gear necessary for fuel economy purposes and they build it as an 8 speed.
"Ford didn't ditch the GM transverse transmission all together, through their analysis they didn't deem the 9th gear necessary for fuel economy purposes and they build it as an 8 speed."
LOL Ford's analysis consisted of "how much money can we save by removing a gear" vs "how much will the fuel economy loss of removing a gear affect our CAFE numbers".
@@hochhaul The other thing is, they didn't create fuel injection for "emissions." It's a nice thing to believe. Fuel injection assured a lock on the low gas mileage fuel scam that has plagued cars for the last 40 years. Since they created fuel injection, consumers have been stuck with really low, poor gas mileage. Before fuel injection came onto the scene, in the early 1970's, many people had solved the gas mileage problem and they were modifying their carburetor, and big cars like a Ford Grand Turino with a large V8 engine, were getting 60 mpg, or a 300% improvement in gas mileage compared to stock. A carburetor mixes the air and fuel much, much better than a fuel injection, because a carburetor has very warm fuel inside it, the the fuel has to travel an extremely long distance where it has time to tumble and mix with the air charge better. Look up the video a man just did: "Lawnmower Carburetor on a V8 Engine gets 40 mpg."
@@Ritalie yea you can get 40mpg on a v8 with a lawnmower carb but that is going to be a dog to drive. If you want a super efficient engine, don’t expect to get anywhere fast. Common sense dude. You can’t have great fuel mileage and make decent power. You care about fuel mileage go get a 4 banger
@Ritalie yea yea and then the guy mysteriously disappeared right? Ever take college physics? understand BTU energy in gasoline?
I had a 2018 5.0/10 spd for 11k miles. Transmission never knew what gear to be in town. Engine sounded like a diesel. Traded it for a 2016 5.0/6spd. Now have a 2020 F150 4x4 Regular Cab with 3.3v6/6spd. Love it. Get between 22-24 mpg on the highway.
Allison transmissions are pretty good. We've changed only 2 at our shop on very old trucks and one ended up not needing a transmission after all 😅 (we're kind of a crappy shop when it comes to diagnostics, since we work for the government). They really seem to not give us much trouble, and that's better than what you can say for a lot of manufacturers these days.
I completely agree Scotty. I own a 2007 Lexus LS460 and it’s been a nightmare of expensive repairs including it’s 8 speed transmission. I think Toyota too is good when it comes to the basic cars but as things get complicated, things get unreliable.
I have a 2008 Lexus LS 460 One 182,000 miles not a single problem transmission runs like a dream doesn’t burn oil still looks quite new on the outside and purrs like a kitten
Even my dash plastics melted like so many Lexus products from around that time. Lexus did replace them with matching hard plastic under the major recall. Dash cracked like so many as well.
Decades ago it was common to have an auxiliary transmission on trucks. But they lasted for a long time. Maybe those should come back. Have a close ratio 4-6 speed automatic, with a three speed rear end that can switch depending on hauling/flat road/mountainous terrain/low speed operation.
“Too much tech” Hit the nail on the head. Quantity over quality, they’ll eventually get the bugs worked out. It’ll become a solid reliable unit then they’ll scrap it for a 15 speed.
Just ask Eaton to make them instead. They make transmissions for the box trucks/semi's. Then GM will complain about the cost then develop there own 15 speed that will be total junk then the cycle will repeat with Allison.
@@heathbauerle2787 you realize Ford makes the same transmissions so is not just GM right?
@@gagejernigan5277 Yes. I was thinking more for the heavy duty trucks since the heavy duty 10 speeds are basically upgraded 1 ton transmissions. It is just that GM and Ford never cooperate well and will split to do their own operations.
Gage Jernigan This is nothing new for Ford and GM, they’ve been sharing transmissions for years. Not sure if they were made in house but they’ve definitely shared key engineering with slightly different components. Then they’d scrap and start over with a new design and a lot of the flaws come to bad algorithms.. ie constantly hunting for higher gears to save gas or downshifting when it isn’t necessary then upshifting right back into the previous gear. I’ve driven some cars and it seems like it’s constantly hunting for the most efficient gear, back and forth between the same two gears. It’s annoying and there’s no way anything can last long doing that.
I've driven trucks with those automatics on and off over the years and yes they are better than they were but they still suck. They always wind up real tight from gear to gear they skip gears they're not sure what gears to skip they'll get stuck in a quandary between gears on certain Hills they're strange. sometimes they even coast in neutral down a hill and that's not exactly good in a big truck. 😖
10, 13, 15 ,18 whatever just let me shift for myself
The GM Allison plant in White Marsh, MD, closed May 4, 2019!
There made rat now in South Carolina
They are not real Allison’s only by name Allison does not make them
They make them in China now. We got to give the CEO and investors their raises!
@@bradleypollack5658 ... don't think this is true... what is your source
@Hideika they are moving to the 10 speed
I worked in a cnc shop that machined allison trans parts ,they had super tight tolerances like 1 thousandth of an inch, definetly quality components at least what we machined
Wow.. F1 quality. must be expansive machining and tough for qc
if only GM put this kind of quality in the rest of their transmissions
.001" tolerance is tight? Haha hell of a machine shop you worked at.
@@Wittyusername82 yeah man 😁 Who is using inches these days especially in this kind of application? Would be tight if it was 0.001 mm. 40 years mechanical engineering experience here in both, automotive and aviation industries. i.e. ZF, Liebherr. Airbus.
I love mine in a 2020 F-150, longer than normal learning mode. Once it learns your habits it is great.
Have 57K miles on my 2018 F150, occasionally will have hard shifts and hard downshifts but love the trans!
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Just got one in my Mustang, should have got the 6-speed manual like my last one. What I don't like is the 10speed feels jerky with the 5.0 if you drive it normally. It will also skip gears at times. It's not smooth like my'99 Grand Marquis with the 4.6. What amazing is that a 23-year-old car can shift better then new car costing twice as much. I hope after the 10speed gets a few miles on it I will like it better. Maybe it's just too many gears for a car to have when driving it around town.
I’ve got 2 mustangs with 10 speeds and absolutely love them and no problems. According to Scotty everything is junk.
My daughter has a 2019 Ecoboost Mustang with the 10-speed auto and that thing screams and is smooth as silk on shifts.
Same I have a f150 and mustang with the 10 speed zero issues love it so far.
you a leaf fan too. lol
My sister has a Nissan CVT & she says it's the best transmission ever 🤷
Is your car over 140k miles yet? Cant say it is reliable if it is still new! Lol
There is a regular and a hd version of this 10 speed transmission and it is in a ton of stuff Mustang, Ranger, F150 etc. I like the idea of having 3 od gears that the 10 speed offers. In fact if it was a manual with high/low (splitter) I would buy it. 8 speeds are pretty good also.
More complex equals more trouble. I love a stick shift, simple and reliable.
FORD mustang standard transmission 👍
That's another reason to wait for longer range EVs. Better EVs probably won't be commodity priced until after 2024
Ford Ranger, shift stick🙌
98 ford ranger stick shift. The slave cylinder just went out though.
I would like a manual but seems like to much of a hassle for my short commutes with heavy stop and go traffic. Not a fan of the CVT transmission my car has but functions well for my purpose and I get great fuel economy. My step dad has a 2 hour commute on the highway with his manual and that drive is very enjoyable in his car, even with other daily driving.
The 10 spd transmission is still standard in several of the higher Silverado trim levels.
It is still available and Scotty is flat out wrong about this.
And they’re fine.
@@chevyon37s they are the best transmission in American cars... that's why you will find it just in the expensive models.
@@jimm2442 He is dead wrong on this one , and I have a 10 speed in my 19 F150 with 50k. Not one issue , and the best transmission I have ever had in 4 trucks. I will say most people neglect basic maintenance such as fluid , filter changes.
@@thistagworked Not at all. It is better actually. If designed well. I can't hardly even tell when it shifts 90% of the time . The 10 speed provides better power , torque curve , as well as mileage.
Hi Scotty. Hope you're having a wonderful weekend. You've inspired me to open up an auto shop so I just signed a 3 year lease last week for a new warehouse. Thank you
Good luck buddy! Treat your people right and be honest !
@@theamericanforester Thank you man. That is my recipe for success, if you will... treating each and every person with respect and honesty.
👍😁Great job Al. Wish you a tremendous success.
@@slicaltimistic1 Thank you so much brother. You as well
Congratulations !!! Like all the afore mentioned comments treat your people fairly and recommend them repairs for issues you see with their vehicles and prepare for lifelong customers !
My opinion is that six speeds are the sweet spot. I’ve seen and driven many cars with 8, 9, or 10 working at dealerships. It has diminishing returns, and they’re generally less reliable.
Plus they tend to shift in erratic ways. There isn’t a ton of difference from one gear to the next and it gets funky to figure out what it’s gonna do and how it’s gonna respond when you drive. My six speed drives much better.
I had a F150 5.0 with the 6spd and daily driving was much nicer than my 5.0 with the 10spd I have now. When it comes to towing though I find the 10spd much better. I did however just have a new tranny installed last week on warranty 2yrs old and 35K kms
You have taught me to never buy anything made by anyone after 2010. Keeping my 1995 GMC Safari. I can fix.
Hope you are staying safe down there in Houston Scotty. You have become a national treasure and one of the rarest of all breeds...an honest mechanic!
WHERE ? did you get a picture?
did it look like Bigfoot?
The 8 speeds they are putting in the Colorado’s are garbage too.
Yep,my Canyons transmission is acting up. 18 model with 20k miles. Trans is acting up in 7&8 gear. Feels like the torque converter isn't locking.
@@markbremmer8642 theres a recall for that. New fluid needs to be placed in the transmission and possibly the torque converter
@@markbremmer8642 would you have rather gotten the ranger instead, if you could go back in time?
@@kirkjohnson2924 not really. I would rather have the Nissan Frontier. Just a personal decision.
@@markbremmer8642 yea it’s a pretty good truck but just to warned you you get better gas mileage in the Colorado than on the Frontier
I just recently purchased 2021 Camaro 2SS with a 10 speed automatic transmission, so far it works great. I took it on a 300mile trip, going I got 25.8 mpg and coming back 28.2 mpg. The computer shifts the engine from 8 cylinders to 4 cylinders while cruising with out a load. So far I am happy with the car, everything seems to be working ok. Right now I have @1000 miles on it.
How is it now?
The 6 speed allison transmission used in the 2013 chevy 3500 hd could very well be one of the best truck transmissions ever made
Allison also makes the 2500 5 and 6 speed transmissions for buses and bigger trucks.
All I hear people complaining about on the Silverado/Sierra forum is the 8 speed transmission in the Silverado/Sierra 1500. I have the 10 speed and it's a great transmission. No problems with my 2019 Silverado 1500.-
In my experience most of my customers have more problems with the eight speed transmission by GM than the 10 speeds
Yes, the 8 speeds are a disaster.
Blake Word maybe they’ve fixed the problem.
I’ve been watching some videos about it and they are saying the problem with the transmissions were the fluid was eating up the torque converter so they would have to replace the fluid and torque converter and it would fix the problem. But if that’s the case why was the class action lawsuit filed after a fix was announced?
MegaThunder70 might’ve programmed them better but every problem I saw was the torque converters making them shake real bad on the highway
MegaThunder70 I’m not sure. They told us to flush them and refill with Dexron HP fluid. Haven’t seen any come back after that though. The 6l80’s in the 14-18 model years had more converters fail though it seemed like and they say use the Dexron VI in those. The flush will stop the shaking but there’s still some that have really bad gear shock in the low gears. Nothing we can do with that
There's honestly no excuse that car manufacturers that have been around for such a long time continue to produce garbage instead of quality products.
Analogy here...
If food manufacturers *ONLY* made doughnuts, then you'd be forced to buy doughnuts. Hey, ya gotta eat, right? Same for car makers. If they *ONLY* produce garbage quality, then you gotta buy what's available, right? They're banking on that sleazy practice!
So do your homework. Do your research. Don't be tempted by the flashy car commercials that're shoved down our throats at every commercial break & listen to the people that KNOW & have been around for a while to see these changes...like Scotty here. No, not me, the *OTHER* Scotty! :)
I guess if the products never changed. But if companies are trying to push the limits, there will always be mistakes, even Toyota, Apple, and Google had mistakes.
Now they produce better garbage 😀😁😠😃😄😅
They give you the car then sell you the parts, like paper vacuum cleaner bags.
SCOTTY IS WRONG
I have a 2018 Ford with the 10 speed. I like it so far, shifts good, good fuel economy.
Only 2 years of Normal Driving is nothing!
How many miles ya got on?
42k miles so far
David Pritchard Right on!
@Bradley Thomsen
Ignore him, old man that’s getting almost 30 mpg in a ‘99 mercury marquis. V8 4 speed auto.
He was talking about pigs flying earlier........
The ZF 8 speed is pretty nice FCA picked the right trans
Not the 9 speed.
@@ae747sp5 it has gotten better now that they know the proper programming, the dog clutches make it feel funny some times but you get used to it
ZF 8HP is fantastic. My Mopar and my BMW have it. Wonderful transmission
@@JohannGambolputty22 not really. It has issues too. Nothing high tech or new is without issue
@@BBD40 would love to see the issues with it. it had a brilliant reputation.
Not sure if the phrase “Avoid it like the plague” is a good phrase anymore as people aren’t good at doing that very thing.
Plague is still dangerous. Scamdemic 19 is just nonsense.
@@southerncharity7928 Thanks for proving my point.
@@BonJohnvie LOL, he walked right into that one. xD
Scamdemic 😂
@Bradley Thomsen thank you also for proving my point. You can tell that to my next door neighbour who lost 3 loved ones.
For that Ford, key removal issue... check the lever at the bottom of the steering column where the shift cable connects. There’s 2 torx screws that hold the lever in place. They loosen up over time and cause all kinds of issues. Start there before you buy any parts. If the screws backed out, it’ll cause this problem. Clean the holes with solvent along with the screws then apply loc-tite and crank ‘em down.😉 Might be a nice low dough repair.😊
Rented a 2020 Ford Explorer RWD it had 5,000 miles and it was jerky.
ouch
Took my St explorer about 5k miles for the trans to smooth out. Initially it would kinda slam into 1st and 2nd when downshifting, but now shifts super smooth and fast for me. We’ll see how it does as the miles keep racking up. But I’ve heard it’s not as good with with the 2.3L engine, not enough power for it or something.
The ten speed takes some time to wear in. Mine didn’t really smooth out till the second oil change.
@@gregdavis7316 We just bought a 2019 Ranger w/10sp. It has only 3000 miles on it. I hope it smooths out! Shifts terrible at this time. Can't decide what gear to be in, especially at urban speeds.
It’s because the transmission learns how you drive, not saying it’s cool or anything of the such.. it sucks, but when the transmission control module is tuned to how you drive it shifts like a dream.
The Sierra BASE model will come with 6 speed trans. The 8 speed is optional and a $200 discount on other trims. Some trims will only come with the 10 speed. They are all good in my opinion and i personally own a 2016 8 speed truck that has been great for over 76k miles now.
I have heard the 10 speed GM transmissions had problems. Luckily my 2016 Corvette is an 8 speed. It drives and shifts nice but I still have my worries about it. I really don't like the AFM cylinder deactivation in the car, when I first got the car I thought the transmission had a problem but it was just the cylinder deactivation. Bought a module to stop it from happening and now it feels fine. Not sure why it even had it I can still get up to 30 mpg on the freeway if I cruise at 70.
Sound Waves I took it on a 1500 mile road trip with my uncle to go see my dad (his brother). At that time I was still using the 4 cylinder mode and getting up to 35 mpg on the highway. My uncle said it gets better mileage than his v6 Accord. Didn’t buy it for fuel economy obviously but I was very surprised when I got the car how good the fuel economy is on the freeway. The rpm is only at about 1200 at 70 mph in top gear.
Most of that stuff isn’t for the real world. It’s for the epa mileage loop they do on dynamometers.
As a previous owner of a 2010 f150 with the new at time 6r80 transmission and now owner of brand new 2020 f150 with the 10 speed I can understand what Scotty has to say in a way but don’t fully agree you don’t need to be worried about the 10 spd(FORD), it’s a great smooth shifting transmission but has a lot of the exact same characteristic of the 6, it sometimes hunts to find gears and slams aswell as occasional clunking or feeling as if it’s not shifting right, but then again works great and smooth as silk or 95 percent of the time, I ran that transmission (6r80) over 300 000km and was great to me
then selling it original running smooth and strong with its clunks here and there witch the top shop around my area says is normal no damage or anything to worry about it’s how it’s built witch was true after all those KM and still perfect no issues (witch I beleive the 10 will be the same way) may not be 100 percent right but nothing is built perfect my opinion drive it hard under warranty and don’t be soft it’s a strong and good trans! hope it helps
The Allison transmissions made in Baltimore are made in a factory that was set up specifically for that transmission. It is owned by GM and they can use the Allison name. It was designed by Allison engineers. The stuff made for heavy duty trucks is almost entirely made in Indianapolis. There is some production overseas but most of that is dedicated to the overseas OEM market.
I’ve rebuilt Allison’s for over 40 years, sorry Scotty, I like you but you are wrong on so many levels here I won’t even get started. For those Ford and GM guys who have 10 speeds, relax, there may be a couple hiccups here and there but they’ll get worked out.
Was owned.
FCA went with ZF 8 speed, best auto shifter available in market.
8HP trans is simply amazing.
Sad, I have 32k on my 10-speed F150 and is just great.
A transmission is untested until you put 150k on it
Got 171k on my 12 f150 4WD. Pull trailers all the time. Campers, lawn care equip. Hope it holds has done awesome so far.
til you start pulling a trailer lol
If the Ford F-150 was offered with stick shift transmission, it'd be my perfect pick up choice.
old manual transmission. nothing is more reliable than it.
Can you imagine if we got an N/A 4.0L or so inline six with RWD and a stick shift in an F150? I'd buy in a heartbeat. Six cylinders is enough towing for me, and RWD gives you better fuel economy and towing
Vivek Peri if we got a regular Naturally aspirated V8 only and none of that turbo charger crap, I would buy it. Manual would be fun, and general would be better especially if you’re gonna be towing, but I’d still take an automatic if it were reliable.
If it were offered again, they'd figure out how to screw it up by adding electronics to it somehow to cut down on the reliability, making you further dependent on, and at the mercy of the dealership.
A GM with a manual would be better.
Just noticed Midnight in Chernobyl on Scotty's bookshelf. Respect. Fantastic book.
There is a new Chernobyl documentary on RUclips just posted a few weeks ago it a good one !
That's not my observation. The eight speed in my 17 Denali sucked at low speed stop and go and it was calibrated to short shift.
Driving it in tow/haul helped .
I love the 10 speed in my 19 Denali.
24,000 miles and it's been great .
"The GM front-wheel drive one turned out to be a piece of crap."
I love this guy.
My 1971 vw bus 4 speed works fine for over 45 years
I have a ten speed, it,s great . I love it.
As a ford tech, ill say they cane be really nice transmissions while operating properly, but the amount of cdf replacements ive done is wild. The new cdf drums come with a groove that the bushing sits in so it wont move.
Thank you Scotty. Thank you for stepping out of the trunk of your Toyota Supra to deliver us these messages of correct car ownership and maintenance.
I haul everyday in my duramax 10 speed. 113,000 so far, love it
We had 8 fail at our Ford dealership last month. I work in the service side and from personal experience this 10 speeds are falling apart internally.
How are the 2019 10 speeds? Are they reliable?
Ive got a 2018 F150 Lariat with the 10 speed. LOVE it! Mine has no problems. Yes it has adaptive learning (computer stuff)
** If you have problems with it here is how to fix it**
1 - Reset TCM
2 - turn off adaptive learning.
Voila!
3 - Thank me later
It looks like the 10-spd automatic transmission is a victim of both electronics technology and materials science. The electronics problem is that the transmission is spoiled for choice when selecting the next gear, and may have issues with being tempted to skip shift, both up and down, as circumstances warrant, as not sequencing through every ratio in the range can save wear and tear on the clutches.
The materials science issue is that the power handling ability of a gear set is a function of the material strengths and the tooth engagement area. The old Powerglide transmissions were nearly indestructible, because they achieved the whole (PRNDL) quadrant (albeit with only two forward speeds) with a single planetary gear set, which could made quite large, relative to the transmission. More gear ratios require more gear sets. Ten forward speeds suggests four planetary gear sets. Ravigneaux gear sets can up the number of ratios. Nine speed ratios might be possible for two sets of Ravigneaux gears, so ten speeds requires at least three sets of planetary gears. Of course managing all of these speeds requires a number of clutches and brake bands, that all have to be smoothly managed. Each gear ratio needs a large enough tooth engagement area to handle the expected loads. The more tooth engagement area included in the transmission, the greater the volume of the transmission. The only way to shrink the area requirement is through the use of stronger materials
The big thing about managing all of the clutches and brake bands is that the ideal design for both smooth operation and transmission longevity (ignoring issues of weight, volume, and cost) requires that shifting between adjacent gear ratios is achieved by changing the state of a single element (clutch or brake band) between grabbing and not grabbing. Trying to achieve a gear change by changing the state of multiple elements requires being able to handle the situation of all of these transitions not being completed at the same time.
The 10-spd automatic may be another example of being able to build it does not always mean that you should build it.
Makes me wonder if running the vehicle in sport mode so it doesn’t skip gears is best so it goes through e every gear, but I’m not entirely sure that’s correct either ?
Just wait until the Toyota guys find out their brand new Tundra was nothing more than a beta test for Aisin/Toyota. Toyota's 8-speed was a problem plagued trans and now they're rolling out a new 10-speed for the Tundra. They're going to demonstrate that totally new transmissions are extremely complex and there isn't a manufacturer out there that can roll out a totally new transmission without issues. Ford guys dogged GM guys due to the 8-speed, and when the Ford 10-speed came out, they got real quiet real fast. Soon the Toyota guys will be very quiet and very angry at Toyota.
The thing I hate is that you used to be able to swap transmissions with a more robust one with little modification, but now, you have to make sure that you can tune the ecm and the tcm to work together. You are also hard pressed to find a combo that works. They have gone far past " if it ain't broke don't fix it"
I've had 2 Ford F150s with the 10-speed and both were great. They are smooth and shift quickly. 1st was a 2018 F150 with the 2.7l eco and now a 2019 with the 5.0 4x4. No issues with either. I'd buy another without hesitation.
How’s the oil consumption with 5.0 , mine burns a lot of oil
@@tphelan86 TSB2365 addresses the issue
My 2020 makes like a cloc sound when it shifts doesnt do it all the time, and ford do want to see the probleme so i hate this ride
@@thekelly4178 do yours rattle very bad when cold?
@@mysterysolver514 No. No rattles or anything. My 5.0 with the 10 speed is great.
Rented an Expedition for a family trip to the mountains of south western Pennsylvania. Usually we rent Suburbans ( we have no need for such a vehicle as a daily driver, just nice having the space while on a driving vacation besides we own 2 Lexus and 1 Toyota vehicles)
Found the Ford was just fine on the highway, but on the steeper winding 2 lanes through the Pennsylvania mountains, that 10 speed was atrocious. It could never find the right gear. Either that V6 was screaming at 4500 rpm, or shuddering in vibrations at low rpms. No fun to drive
Your right Scotty, there's so much tech going into an already overpriced vehicle that engineers themselves can hardly troubleshoot anything
Where are these problems?? Own 2 and put a lot hard towing mileage. Zero issues
I finally figured out who you remind me of Scotty Grandpa from The Munsters
And he also looks like the bad guy from the smurfs! Lol
Mixed with Geddy Lee
@@justayoutuber1906 yes I don't have to agree with you it does look like geddy Lee living in the life like this
Ford and GM worked together on the 6f50 transmissions back in 2009. Those transmissions are great.
Scotty your wrong on this one, the-y have shortage of 10 speeds. 8 speeds for the 5.3. 10 speeds for the 6.2 and diesel.
Our 2020 SLT 4x4 has the 10 speed.
The trail boss also have the 10speeds, my LT has the 8 speed! Let’s hope it’s trouble free for a couple years lol
I’ve got a 10speed in my f150... wouldn’t hesitate to buy another one. I would also choose to work on a newer car rather than an older car any day of the week.
GM dropping them and Ford is moving all their vehicles to them, go figure. Unfortunately, the GM 8 speed is the worst transmission they ever made.
Well no, the 8 speed is an excellent unit that had software issues for the first couple of years of production. They are extremely strong units that can handle 600lb of torque in stock form. The software was hastily developed causing a multitude of shifting issues, which led to clutch failure. Of course this was a mismanagement issue as are most of GM’s problems of the last 10 years. It’s sad the bean counters are in charge and not the engineers.
yoyo 19 He’s not talking about Ford. They have had their own problems with the 10speed programs also. They all use pretty much the same technology and the internals are pretty much identical. The problems they all face is the complexity of programming these boxes. The idea is to keep the engine in the optimum power band which leads to gear searching and a multitude of other issues that only real world driving conditions and time will pan out. They are mechanically sound but often take time to sort out the software. I would be comfortable with the GM 8 or 10 speed in a 2020 or 21 product. Along with the Ford gear box of the last 2 or 3 years. They have managed to deal with all of their issues for now.
@yoyo 19 you not watch the video or just cant read? the video is about GM dropping the 10 speed and ford is moving to it across all vehicles.
@@scottg391 ITs not excellent and its already been shown they have engineering faults. The torque converter is bad, valvebody is poor and it shifts poorly .
Scott G i bought new f150 because of scotty with 2.7 ecoboost 10 speed tarns. but i dont have any issues its 2019 model. very smooth. sorry for english
2013 was the last best gmc I owned. My 2018 is beautiful but it just seems different. I hope it last me a long time but it just doesn’t feel like my 2013
I still remember my 2 speed powerglide went forever
It's probably still going somewhere lol
OMG! Forgot all about the band adjustment!
Allison was bought by Rolls Royce in 1995. They manufactured aircraft engines, among other things. The Allison 250 turboshaft engines are excellent engines but they have had a few problems. Most Bell 206s (JetRangers) have Allisons and they are extremely reliable.
Ford didn’t use the GM 9 speed because it didn’t get the fuel economy that ford was looking for but it’s a very good and smooth transmission.
I have the GM 9 speed in my truck. May be reliable but horrible shifting in the lower gears. Wish I could go back to the 6 speed I had before.
I thought the 9 speed is a fantastic transmission in my wife’s Chevy Traverse.. It shifts really smooth and very responsive.
James Barnes most modern transmissions have some gear shock in the early gears
James Barnes the 8 speed has a TSB out where GM put the wrong fluid in the transmission. They’ve switched it to the Dexron HP fluid, most people have said after getting the fluid switched, all troubles and complaints went away.
Ernest Cassell helped mine A LOT!! No more shuttering or vibrating on the highway and no more hard downshifts that felt like I’m getting rear ended
I work for hallcon railcrew transport I have a fleet of 6 rigs I have four 2015 GMC yukons and two 2016 chevy suburbans I had to replace everyone of there transmissions and two engines the train crews don't like when you setting on the highway with cars flying past you at 70+ miles an hour.
I'm glad to have a simple 4 speed 1999 Mercury grand marquis. The gas mileage I get is perfectly fine it's in the mid to high 20s on the highway for a 2 ton V8 vehicle.
Except your not getting mid to high 20’s with that boat. Try mid to high teens.
Go back to sleep bud
Ernest Cassell advertised MPG is 15 city, 23 highway with 18 being combined mpg.
If your getting what you claim then your either full of it or the guy that drives 50 mph in the left lane.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ Wrong. I had 3 of these cars, & upper 20s and i have gotten as high as 30 mpg on the road.
@@jall8237 only way that was possible is if they had 2.73 gears.
I have a 2016 Chevy tahoe.... the 6 speed transmission DIED at 104,000 miles! I even changed the fluid every 30k and maintained it! I had a 2003 Tahoe.. transmission went 220,000 miles! Double the life span before being rebuilt!
scotty is a treasure and love it when he says junk yard they show a chevy dealer lol. I will never buy another gm again after the cruze I bought.
I know right! It kinda makes me wonder because I have a 2017 Camaro. I got it with 15,000 miles used for about $25,000. I daily drive it, and as of now currently it has 75,500 miles on it. I just follow the maintenance schedule in my owners manual. I put the right fluids in and it still runs good.
5.0 6 speed in my 2017 F150. I'm really happy with my decision to buy that configuration in te 2017, instead of the 10 speed.
Good thing you didn't wait until 2018 to buy it.
5.0 10speed f150s going 7s with a built trans and boost consistently
@@PlattyZach that's awesome. I can't really mess with mine until September of 2023 when the FoMoCo extended warranty expires.
That’s surprising because the GM 8 speed are atrocious. It feels like your getting rear ended when it shifts. That’s why I switched recently to Ford 150.
The rams 8 spd is from ZF, IT IS SMOOTH
My 2020 Mustang GT 10 speed is the best shifting transmission I've ever experienced. It shifts pretty hard in sport mode.
As I said in another of your videos, I want a vehicle with the simplicity of a Lada made in the USA. I'm so sick of over engineered, over designed, complicated, computerized, gadgets and technology packed vehicles.
I’m a truck driver and have driven several trucks with Allison transmissions. They’re extremely reliable and require very little maintenance.
Thank you Scotty .for helping so many of us with the truth about automotive problems
The GM 8L90 has had numerous issues mine is having to be torn apart after 70k, yet the 4L80 in my 1994 has 250k on it and it’s perfect.
These modern 8, 9, and 10 speed transmissions remind me of my wife when we get in the car and I ask her which restaurant she wants to eat at. They can't ever make up their mind. Always hunting gears. The worst one I've driven was a ZF 9 speed in a Jeep Renegade 2.4 liter. It never used 9th and skipped 7th most of the time. Step on the accelerator to get on the interstate and wait 5 seconds before it can decide what to do. I actually learned to stomp the accelerator 5 seconds before wanting to go. Dang fast once it started going though. My favorite so far-the ZF 8 speed. It shifts like a transmission should.
I have a challenger with a zf 8 speed. I absolutely love it.
Drove a courtesy Land Rover Discovery Sport with the ZF 9-speed, and it is an absolute dog. Kept hunting all over the place. Like Ben, I also absolutely love the ZF 8-speed - had short term use of a Range Rover Evoque and Jaguar XF fitted with one, and it is superb.
My 03 Duramax had an allison transmission..rock solid just like the LB7 engine once the injector problem was fixed. ✌
The 10 speed in my Mustang GT feels in acceleration as 90% good as a dual clutch in a Ferrari Portofino that I test drove once, yes it might blow up one day but we have a warranty for a reason, and I'm welling to take my chances with a car this fun and cost under 40K.
Mohannad Hammad the transmissions are really good the gm 8 speed has had well problems just google them
This is your local Ford Dealership... we need to talk.
My 2019 GMC Sierra slt premium plus premium transmission went out at 10,000 miles 17,000 miles now and still jerking . Getting a Lexus at end of month .
"think logically" everyday Scotty, every day of my life lol. Seriously though I've figured out many head-scratchers this way. Trace back how the part or system works and you'll always find your culprit. 👍
My belief is that GM and Ford collaborated on the 10-speed transmission with hopes of manufacturing a better transmission than Mopar's 8-speed ZF. I have the ZF in my Chrysler 300 and love it! 😊
Loved my old Turbo 400s, on my 76 🔥 Firebird 400, and rebuilt 72 El Camino.
The 10-speed transmission is still used in the Silverado 1500, Sierra 1500, F-150, Yukon, Explorer, Expedition, Tahoe, Suburban, Escalade, CT5, CT4, Camaro, Mustang, etc. Ford and GM are also are now using it, albeit somewhat revised, in their HD models (F250, 350, 450, Silverado 2500/3500). GM even got Allison to slap their name on their HD version.
So I don’t understand the purpose of this wild video.
PS: Ask my aunt how reliable her last TWO Toyotas have been… a Highlander and Avalon. They were the last two Toyotas she will ever buy.
My 10 speed Ford trans has been flawless , when the deal with Ford & Gm didn't work out , GM just tried to make Ford look bad , been going on for a long time , I've been friving Fords and General motors products and I have to say Ford has never left me stranded but Gms always in the shop
Meanwhile my Trackhawk and BMW 335 have the ZF 8HP and I love them.
The newest “Allison” on the duramax was designed and built by gm. It’ll fail soon.
Okay, since you know this as fact, might I bother you for some winning lotto numbers? Thank you for your visions!
@@jimm2442 Your welcome! psst by the way it's not hard to predict a gm product will fail, if it were that easy to win the lotto I'd be a kazillionaire!
@@shawnjames3212 Ha, well I hope you are wrong about the impending doom as I do have a dog in the race, that said good luck with the lotto lol.
@@jimm2442 I hope I'm wrong too buddy.
@@shawnjames3212 80,000 miles into a 3500hd with the 10 speed. Almost always have a load of some sort and not a single issue. Smoothest transmission I have ever felt
I've had my 2018 Denali since November 2017, so far, 88,000 miles on the 10 speed transmission. The only problem I had was about 60k miles or so, it started shifting funny, sometimes if would spin then hit hard. Took it to the dealership, they replaced the fluid with a "higher quality fluid", then I "believe", but not sure, they updated the software and reset the PCM. Fixed the problem, and now at 88k miles, doing great. I just think the 10 speed is real picky about what fluid you put in it, and may need a software update if you have one of the earlier ones. So I think it's a great transmission (so far) but I do worry about it. And, last I checked, they are still offering the 10 speed in the 2021 and 2022 models. I believe this transmission had bugs, but think GM is doing a good job addressing the little issues. Time will tell I suppose.....
The cat pillows multiplied in the middle of the video! They’re taking over!
I worked remanufacturing where we had an Allison contract but heard it caused ATC to pull the plug on our operations in 2008.
I heard on the internet that there is a shortage of 10 speeds. Plus more profit for GM with the 8 speed!
2017 suburban brand new transmission at only 160k Miles. Never towed anything. Highway driving between Arizona and New Mexico on cruise control that's all.
we should retire the quote "like a plague", apparently people can't avoid it
Mask up America !!!! 😷
The Allison trans was used by gm in the dramax trucks. Im sure that there are others, but
You lost me. Avoid the 10 speed or the 8 speed transmission?
He just wants to rant and be heard....
@@BBD40 he is an old blowhard and he is going to end up getting sued one of these days.
Bought a Chrysler 200 3 days ago then started watching your videos after.... i am already feeling the transmission hiccup.
That and the 300 were and still are the largest pos cars Chrysler has made in years. I tow 5 at least every week. Transmission etc issues
Scotty you totally have this backwards. The 8 speed is being phased out in the higher trim models. The 10 speed is here to stay.
this guy is full of it, lol