3dfx Voodoo 5 vs. Voodoo 4 on Intel Dual Pentium 3 with RDRAM - RETRO Hardware
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►HARDWARE USED IN THIS VIDEO:
FUJITSU SIEMENS 2x slot 1 chipset i820
2x Intel Pentium III 1 GHz Coppermine L2 256KB 133 MHz
1GB MB RDRAM 800 MHz ECC
3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 64 MB AGP
3dfx Voodoo 4 EVILKING 32 MB AGP
Windows XP PRO SP3
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RUclips audio library:
Where We Wanna Go - Patrick Patrikios
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FINALLY A NEW VIDEO
Please Obi Wan Kenobi, youre our only hope.
Worked for literally over 12 hours straight testing and patching the library. Looking for testers.
My God, awesome stuff! The last shot with the cards and the boxes in background is epic!!
Hey bro, let me give you a tip. I really like your channel as you know and your restorations. So here's the thing. When repairing plastics, don't use glue. Instead use /plastic welding compound/. It's a solvent. It dissolves the plastic a little making it into a kind of jelly, and after a short while it hardens again. It also contains other materials that help it penetrate the plastic's surface etc. Every plastic (abs, styrene, pom, ...) has a different welding compound, so check for compatibility. The plastic you were gluing is abs, almost exclusively used in computers. Keyboards sometimes use PBT for the key caps. Figures are often made of styrene. Transparent plastics are often acrylic. Plastic welder gives a much better, stronger, and better looking joint than super glue. Thanks for the video! Have fun!
Thanks for tips. I know that this is fully repairlable with some "pastes". It is quite expensive and I have no experience with this. Need to study.
@@RETROHardware don't use paste. That usually has a filler of some sort and is a glue, not a welder. Plastic welder (welding compound) uses the plastic itself to become one again with the other plastic. It's like repairing a broken chocolate bar: you can glue it together, or you can melt the chocolate where the pieces meet, and once it solidifies it's one whole part again, the crystalline structure extends from one side to the other. With glue, the cryatalline structure stops on one side, then there is a layer of glue, then the crystalline structure resumes on the other side - worse. Search for "bloq plastic welding compound" on amazon UK, I used that one for many things and it works wonders. But keep the bottle in a jar, like an asparagus jar.
@@cheater00
Thanks for the tip !!!
@@DuneRunnerEnterprises you're welcome! Hopefully this can be the next best thing in restorations.
Pretty damn impressive scaling between the 4 and 5. Speeds on the Voodoo 5 frequently were twice the speed of the Voodoo 4 (at least when I was really looking for it in Quake 3).
Your collections are too amazing
I owned 2 cards back in the day a Orchid Voodoo 1 4mb and a Voodoo Rush 6mb this one did both 2d and 3d also
This video made me miss my old 3dfx cards i want my Voodoo's Back ...
Welllll.
I got one for sale.
5500.
Was working 15 years ago,now, lies wrapped in some anti-static bag, waiting,to be checked.
I might just do that !!!!
Very cool setup! The picture at 16:30 is good for a wallpaper! I also have a similar system with a dual 1ghz p3 but with i840 chipset that has dual channel RAMBUS (Dell Precision 420). I used to run an ATI HD2600XT AGP on it but the games that ran good on it did not use the second processor and the ones that did use it didn't run too good since they expected a much newer CPU.
I love my D850EMV2 with RDRAM. I have 1GB of 1066, P4 HT Northwood 3.06 GHz. Got an ATI fireGL X3-256 in it. I still use the machine to run PCB design software
I had a V5 5500, UT99 with glide was the shit back in the day, good times. :D
Wow, I had 3DFX Voodoo 3 and 5 back in the day. Hated it when 3DFX was bought by Nvidia but now love them. Have a 1080Ti that is 4 years old and plays any game out today on highest settings.
I remember my score in 3DMark 2001 SE it was 1600 3D Marks on an Pentium 2 450Mhz, 128 mb Ram, nVidia Creative 3D Blaster Riva TNT2 Ultra 32Mb with the NVIDIA drivers. The motherboard was an Intel board no overcloking for CPU that is. I also had a 3DFX DIAMOND VooDoo2 12Mb PCI card
Gotta love the awesome Voodoo graphics cards.
love your chill videos. keep up the good work. cheers
We cannot thank you enough for these videos, please keep 'em coming.
Wow amazing cards you have. Be worth a bit 🤯💰💰💵💵. Great video and flashback to my early gaming days. Love the content 🥰🥰🥰
if you think about it.. you are preserving history. its crazy to think how important and infortmational your videos will be 20-30 years from now.
Nice video, i love it :3
So fat stuff...! Vodoo..P3 1GHz in slot 1 version. Nice collection 🤘
3:25 You restore them so meticulously and with such attention to detail, I expected you would now 3D-print the missing piece for that one :)
Cool stuff. Keep it up.
13:18 Ah dual slot 1, look at that beauty, from title i was thinking its socket 370
I had system Tualatin celeron 1.4 ghz with 2x Voodoo 2 but system was left in cold storage for years over winter and after that Voodoo 2 are artifacting.
Still keep them maybe someday someone can fix them
nice video✌💪. but todays gaming performance on quake3 is questionable 😇
I found an old pc that had dual slot-1 sockets with dual pentium 3 on it. Eventually tossed it away also to only later find out that those are and were really rare and expensive. damn it.
broooo the windows xp paint and recycle bin icons!!!!!!! Man the nostalgia
Dude, you are the Voodo Chaman, haha. (Bad joke) Nice hardware man! 🔥
Interesting the i820 as that isn't common, anyway got two i840 with one being a Dell Precision and the other just a retail intel board.
Amazing collection. Wishing I'd had even one working model. But people now want rtx 3070 money for a voodoo 4, let alone a 5.
You should make a video on how to install custom heatsinks on Voodoo cards to prolong their life. Something like those copper Enzotech heatsinks.
Love 3dfx but after seeing V4/5 perfomance of those games, I understand why they fell.
It would not run any better on competing Geforce products. 1280x1024 all maxed in 32-bits is a lot to ask for in this generation. In 16-bit it would be way smoother. Allmost everyone played in 16-bit cause if you can afford it and you had the monitor, pushing resolution is better choice, and then you arrive at the "quality" of the 16-bit rendering where 3DFX was better. The 5500 was also partially CPU limited, 1Ghz Coppermine is not enough to completely feed it in all situations.
That being Said, production wise it was still big bulky power hungry card. technology-vise Geforce 2 was generation ahead, and sop it was in manufacturing process. VSA100 was more of an Geforce256 competitor, but so many delays caused it was in the end fighting mostly against Geforce2.
That was me talking about Voodoo5-5500 versus Geforce 2 GTS off course. If we talk about Voodoo4 vs Geforce2 MX (128-bit MX, not the 64-bit crap ones), then GF2MX wins. Its slightly faster, has more modern tech and was slightly cheaper. That is where the fight was decided, at the mainstream, and that's where Voodoo4 failed.
@@Lady_Zenith well, you cannot compete without T&L with T&L cards, voodoo5 would fall behind Geforce 2 GTS and Ultra, even in 16 bit. Problem was, programers was lazy to optimalize all games to crappy Glide, which was good decision.
@@Lady_Zenith dude, voodoo4 was slower than voodoo3 3000. The only advantage was more memory and 32-bit rendering, at which it was very slow. How can you compete with voodoo3 2000 levels, with Geforce 2 MX, that after overclocking and driver tweaking reached performance of non-overclocked Geforce 256 DDR? You can't.
@@Lady_Zenith I saw benchmarks, where voodoo5 fallen behind Geforce 2 Ultra, like with huge margin.
@@Lady_Zenith 3dfx fall on voodoo4 and 5 had reason. You cannot speak it, it was just bad and costed lots of money. That's why they fell. No sane man recommended v4 or v5 in 2000. It was pure bad buy, to go for v5 in it's time. Basicaly, that card had bad price all the time till today. It's only collectors stuff.
I think that except for Glide api, those Voodoo cards don't offer anything special in terms of performance... They tend to perform pretty average and even worse most of the time compared to other equivalent rival cards from ATI and Nvidia in gaming.
P4 3.2 GHZ over clocked to 3.6Ghz made these cards shine far better 60 - 100 fps..
loved my voodoo 3 3000 and my Voodoo 5 5500 was awesome back then loved it
But then went ATI now Nvidia GTX 1080Ti and RTX Nvidia untouchable..
Nvidia rules now.. BUT RYZEN wow nice.
Also got a FX 8350 and the mighty FX 9590 64 Gigs of Ram on that one.. Just love that CPU runs perfect...
Love the video brings back great memories...
Lots of nice Voodoo cards!
Nádhera ❤️
Very nice Hardware I love 3DFX Cards, I have my own collection and I'm still expanding it, you would advise me where to get old pieces thank you, thank you for nice video :D
when you super glued the fan together, i got worried about the plastic just melting and messing up the fan
Nice, I have a similar rig, Dual P-III 1GHz Coppermine, but I have ECC SDRAM rather than RDRAM. I'm also running Windows XP with all the visuals turned off. I'll run those same CPU benchmarks, it will be interesting to compare SDRAM against RDRAM performance.
Unfortunately I don't have any Voodoo cards; so I'm running my rig with a GeForce 3 (Non-Ti).
I wonder how far we could go without the CPUs bottlenecking the graphics? Ti 4600? 5900 XT?
Depends from game to game, and if it supports T&L or not. Would guess, you're already at maximum with Geforce 3. I would guess, coppermine 1 Ghz, can go good with Geforce 2 Ultra/ MX440-460.
I had to do that recently for one of my old high end video cards. Although for testing I simply applied 5vdc to the fan itself, and watched it spin...
RETRO HARDWARE, seu LINDO
I had a dual Pentium 3 700 mhz setup for a while but, I can't recall what GPU I had. Possibly a GeForce MX440
VSA-100 😍
always rotate the cpu heatsink fan to blow the heat away from the cpu because i found out that the rear case fan will blow out more of the cpu thermal heat quicker
Hey @RETRO Hardware, what fluid do you put inside the fan to recover it?
EDIT: Silicon Oil, its on the video :)
yep I marked this, so it is progress :-)
Отлично !
i like ur videos bruhh,, i subs it.. like collecting old pc's 😀👍🏻
Dual PIII nice!
can you run gothic 1 on voodoo 4 / 5 on windows xp?
i have on my voodoo 3 3000 / p4 3ghz but i can only run it in low textures because only 16mb.
wondering how that would handle on max settings with voodoo 4 / 5
maybe u can make a video on it!
Nice video
I've noticed that both my Voodoo4 and Voodoo5 are very picky with how they're inserted into an AGP slot that'll determine if they'll post at all.
Could be a contact issue with the slot. Which could be a motherboard problem. It could also be a issue with the soldering on the graphics chip. Over time the solder will come loose on the older graphics cards. Depending on how the card is inserted. It could be causing the chip to come loose. Which is causing your failed posts. Their is an easy fix if you know how to solder.
@@Sevier7777 Issue is it happens on every board I've tried them in. They're fine once I've got the card installed in the correct position.
@@GAMMAXII well that rules out the motherboard. So it's pin contacts from the cards or possibly chip solder issues
My problem is clean = non-compatible. All original PCB V4s posted in BX440 setup in sec.
@@RETROHardware That sucks.
Dual VSA-100 (Voodoo5 5500) scales good compared to a single one (Voodoo4 4500). Does the Voodoo5 6000 with four VSA-100 show the same result compared to Voodoo5 5500?
anyway, they could not keep up with 4 cores, it was too expensive. They fall on capitalism rule, Geforce 2 Ultra could do pretty the same in one chip.
And then theres me with only a Voodoo 3 1000
I have only one V3 1000 too
Intel 820 chipset? Wasn't that pretty buggy? I seem to remember that's why the boards are rare.
My P3C-E with a 1400mhz P-III S and a Voodoo5 has been solid for about 2 years now.
It was not buggy, it ran pretty well. It was also the first chipset to support FSB133 and AGP4x. The issue was RDRAM was super expensive so OEMs pushed intel to make conversion chip that would allow I820 to work with SDram instead. This chip was buggy and it also made the whole thing slow, slower than the old 440BX. But I820 working with native RDRAM is pleasure. I840 is the same as 820 it just has 2 memory channels. PIII cannot take advantage of that bandwidth, it was there mostly for capacity reasons for server purposes.
good friends, I have a voodoo 2 of 8megas and I can't get drivers for installation way for it, the drives that I can only detect 2 megs from 3dfx, is it possible to get me the drivers, both for windows 98 and windows 7? and what is the best graphics card to accompany voodoo on windows 98? thank you if you can spare a little bit of your time.
Very nice 👍
Awesome stuff but I am always think that Voodoo 4 & 5 are useless. Voodoo 4 is a Voodoo 3 3000/3500 with 32bit but doesn't have enough power for games of their era and lost compatibilities due to old drivers incompatibility. Voodoo 5 almost the same. The only reason to buy one is nostalgia or if you want to play Glide games at 1600x1200 with AA with high details (Unreal 1 is a clear example). Anyway if I were you I would use Windows 98SE instead of Windows XP. 3DFX cards are more realable with it.
PS: I suggest to use Nglide instead of Voodoo 5...
voodoo4 is voodoo3 2000, or between 2000 and 3000. I wish if it would be on 3500 levels at least. Voodoo4 could be much better card, if only they would use 180nm and T&L and release it few months earlier. 3dfx could live for longer.
Also 10x more voodoo4 cards would be sold, so it would be great retro card today, cheaper and better. So sad, they screwed it, voodoo4 was biggest dissapointment from 3dfx. With 180nm, they would clock it much higher.
This doesn't make sense, I never had such poor performance on my rage 2 + voodoo 2 in quake 3 (p 2 400) cant remember the res Id use but it cant have been low res cuz jump map looked fine on me ol 17 inch monitor.
Where do you get those new fan stickers?
3dfx forever
I am curious how will act Clive Barker Undying thrown at it. This is one of the latest game natively supported by glide. Not much difference V5 vs v4 on synthetic benchmarks. Also cmr2 has strange renderer code. It can also be played on super low specs Playstation1. Workstation ecc hardware vs consumer card is kind of wired combination. Imagine v4 32mb vs gf2gts 32mb. Overkill
Yep it is not gaming setup but why not try it.
@@RETROHardware Yes, is nice to try something different. But combining ecc hardware with consumer expect issues like you've seen on Voodoo and siemens industrial mobo. It's all about compatibility. ECC cpu and ram works the best with ecc gpu such as firepro/quadro. We know both. Thanks for another video and regards
Tests with A-XP and KT333 are plenty, I like special things :-)
@@RETROHardware If you like special things I recommend tweqs and troubleshooting around early 3D and other rarities; rendition verite, a3d, m3d, powervr, nv1, s3 chrome, gf2 overclock (unisem voltage mod) etc
Интересно, сколько часов обрабатывал пень 3 это видео в фул хд)
hi i have a quest long time ago found a video not know a name a guy a old pc used double voodoo 2 vga it.s not work a voodoo 4 and 5? little bit stupid question this but 2x voodoo 4 4500 or 2x voodoo 5 5500 or 6000?
the one with two fans, does it have two gpu dyes?
Nazdar, poradis nieco dobre na alze, na premazanie ventilatorov, ked vrzgaju a skripu? Silikonovy sprej je nevhodny na toto pouzitie.
nevim co maji/nemaji na alze, proste sezen silikonovy olej
From 30-60fps on Quake3, but you know that older games didn't use dual core cpu setup? pull out one cpu u will see. workstation pc hardware is different from mainstream gaming computer parts.
PS: single PIII cpu with 512kB cache will do it's job to support poor voodoo5 SLI
yes
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14:13 Wow, that cant be right, my system with a P3 750Mhz + Voodoo3500 scored 5871 3dmarks, how could it beat a Voodoo 5?
Then again that was running in windows 98SE, I guess windows XP can take quite a chunk out of the score?
Because he is using an underperforming p3 1ghz. The voodoo 5 is actually waiting for the pixels to be rendered.
At my xp2400+ I easily get more than 13000pts on 3dmark 99 with the voodoo 5.
And on 16bit the voodoo 3 3500 is mostly a bit faster than a voodoo 4 4500 on the same settings. Due to the 166mhz clock.
muy lentos y malos resultados yo con mi PIII de 933mhz y V5 5500 tenia mas fps tanto en quake 3 como los 3dmark, deberias haber usado el drivers de Nov, 2000 oficiales de 3dfx que fueron los ultimos en salir, no me parecieron buenos esos puntajes teniendo 2x pIII a 1ghz, y winxp no es lo ideal para las VDS.
Should use the v5/ v4 on a first gen pentium 4 with a x2/x4 AGP. Or IF you can find one a Athlon XP on a VIA333 board with 4x AGP. I have run my v5 on a athlon xp 2800 and holy jesus was it fast as hell, running UT99 at 140fps 1024 x 768. I do have a video on the V3 3500 running on the athlon xp 2800, 1024 x 768, ruclips.net/video/TOlY1WAfIIE/видео.html
What agp speed this motherboard support ?
Is it agpx4?
2x
the motherboard supports AGP 2x and 4x, so 1.5v and 3.3v mode. It has universal AGP slot.
Although, the reason why it runs in AGP 2x mode is, because voodoo5 works in AGP 2x mode, because it has 2 chips. Voodoo4 should work in AGP 4x mode though, but not all cards, there are AGP 2x only, and also AGP 2x/4x versions, as far as I know.
there is a way how to run voodoo5 in AGP 4x mode
www.techpowerup.com/review/his-hd-4870-iceq4/32.html
Obviosly, cards have notches on AGP connector for 1.5v signaling, so they have to work in AGP 4x slot.
the motherboard supports AGP 2x and 4x, so 1.5v and 3.3v mode. It has universal AGP slot.
Although, the reason why it runs in AGP 2x mode is, because voodoo5 works in AGP 2x mode, because it has 2 chips. Voodoo4 should work in AGP 4x mode though, but not all cards, there are AGP 2x only, and also AGP 2x/4x versions, as far as I know.
there is a way how to run voodoo5 in AGP 4x mode
Obviosly, cards have notches on AGP conector for 1.5v signaling, so they have to work in AGP 4x slot.
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Unfortunately,I just CAN'T FIND agpx4 capable motherboard here....
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Dude wafa quax is this 😮 i play osp since the 90s where all health globes shine this looks like some really dummy
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Something wrong with your setup, rly low fps in quake 3. I have about 120+ with gf4 mx440
Voodoo4 was terrible as hell. Would be nice to see geforce 256 ddr and geforce 2 gts, how much they demolished 3dfx