Raiding in FFXIV Party Finder Broke Me
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2025
- I decided to try endgame raiding for the first time in Final Fantasy 14. Here is what I learned during my party finder raiding adventures through the FFXIV Dawntrail raids. Enjoy!
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"Not much going on up there. It's all panic, no disco."
😂
lost it at this line ROFL
@@bladelaw Same, lmfao
Im gonna use that when I make an oopsie :D
I’d much rather do two lockouts with soup brains than one pull with stinky brains
Any day
This made me feel so much better about giving raiding a try! I'm still a Sprout, but I want to learn how to be a good raider. :3
Every raider was a sprout at some point.
Raiding isnt as scary as you might think i actually got into it myself not too long ago, in my experience if youre just straightforward about your intentions and youre learning the fight, most parties wont give you any crap for it. Now you will meet some less then friendly people but that comes with any human interaction
To be honest, raiding isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Make sure to join your prog point, and if there isn't one available, join blind prog. If you don't understand a mechanic, tell someone, and they'll explain the best they can. The last thing would be to practice your rotation, make sure you at least understand it, and feel comfortable with it and get used to wiping.
You can raid. It is doable. If you want you can. I believe in you
@@AgentRood I never got to have a sprout because at 2.0 launch they didn't exist yet :(
Statistically, the more you mess up the more chances you get to be better, making party finder a great pitri dish for all the mistakes
this is one of your best videos yet. Not just the content but also the jokes and editing worked great
love the searching for "not World of Warcraft" lmao... hate that game for real
Putting a jobstone when saying “expected to know what you’re doing” lmao.
Avy: "I'm ehhhh..." 7:55 Speaks otherwise, that was a sick recovery.
I just wanted to leave a message to all new-comer raiders, you are always welcome! It's great to have new peeps trying out hard content, and even more to help them out. Don't let the poison tongues in PF ruin your prog or your day, there's always other parties. Consistency is what gets you through
I have played since 1.0, and the first time i tried PF was in Stormblood. But after that experience turned me away from it permanently. If i lose the static Im in new, and me only being a BLM player, I feel I'd never be wanted in PF as remember even joining the PF for extremes in Stormblood, they kicked me from the party as i joined. Then they remade the PF checking off BLM from accepted jobs. But there would take 2 of the same Jobs instead :/
Back then they looked down on BLM due to it being weak and less valued than a buff job, and with DT and PCT being overpowered, BLM weak again. They are unwanted 😢
So yeah PF does not sound like a fun place to do content in sadly.
If you consistently mess up I don't want to be in your party 😂
@@CorrosiveFox then it's okay to leave! Nobody is held hostage. I'm talking about those people that stay only to be passive aggressive or be bitchy, as if a fresh savage learning party is an ultimate reclear group :)
@@meronmeron866 You must be one of those Toxic players that love to do 20 pulls on a reclear/farm party, and have a mental breakdown if they need to switch positions with other players.
@@7RicolmE7 I said nothing about reclear parties, neither do I see how trying to encourage new players is considered toxic? What I mentioned is to let them know that they are welcome to learn, and that even if they find some toxicity while progging, to keep going, learn to be consistent and not be discouraged. I just jump in learning parties to help teach sometimes, it takes patience but I was once new too, plus its always nice to see new peeps in the scene.
I feel you. When i first started in 2.0 i promised myself no raiding. I wanted ff14 to be my casual game.
3 months later im in binding coil screaming. 😂
Big same hahaha, me and my bro watched the early guides and just wondered how people could even remember one minute of the fight, and lo and behold….. met some of my favourite people on the planet from suffering in savage 🎉
There's a secret third endgame player archetype.
The Omnicrafter Market Board Baron! 😅
I am the omnicrafter broke poor who doesn't know how to make money from being an omnicrafter and only looses money cause I blow it all on pentamelding.
@@ridleyroid9060food and pots, bam, made my first 150mil from it
completely agree re: god gamers never being mean. the best players I know in this game are also the absolute chillest. they're comfy where they're at, they don't have anything to prove, and they don't mind when you make mistakes because they're skilled enough to cover for you/make up for your blunder, depending on the mech.
now the stinkers on the other hand...
some players learn how to play better so that they can offset other players weaknesses
in any party content the only consistent player is yourself, all others will have varying skill levels
so you focus on the only player you can improve: you
edit: there's also the fact that every god player was once an ehhh.
when I was fresh on M3S at first I was having issues figuring out quadraboom vs octoboom, I'm R2
my partner healer just adjusted, moved a little and I'd just try to mirror them
and from helping me then, now I can do the same for ppl who are also struggling
now, I'm not a god, far from it, but like, you get my point
I also raid with pretty high latency.
No, my internet connection is fine, actually. I just play this game with a very high latency brain.
Great video for those that are a bit nervous like myself. Thanks for sharing! I enjoy your content. Have a great week!
0:20 This is true. I started as a raider and found the NoClippy plugin and this lead me to discover the rabbit hole of penumbra/mare/glamourer and now I have a lore accurate xaela I bring to rp events sometimes.
What a great video. We need more casual players perspective to harder content. I feel like it might be the last push players need to try themselves. Great job and thank you.
Thanks!
I have avoided PF for longest time, mostly because I have usually been able to find a static, and stick with it. I have learned so much this time when i said fuck it, and jumped into m4s PF. I do so much better on raid nights because of it.
this is the video ive been waiting for, been debating raiding in party finder, this is the push i needed
Hopping into party finder or just trying extreme/savage/ultimate is a lot less intimidating than it seems. You might run into some unpleasant people like any other activity in life, but the majority of people are also in the same spot you’re in. Just wanting to learn, prog, and have fun. You’ll see great players, terrible players, and average players. Sometimes you’ll get great prog and sometimes you’ll get none cause something isn’t working well in that group. Either way, go in, expect to die a lot, and just have fun. It’s so much less scary than it seems from the outside.
Doing savage makes you good at avoid telegraphed attacks in normal, wait a bit, and go back in to get hit because you expected the thing to go off way faster ;_;
No joke. After clearing the tier on two characters, going into a normal of the fight my brain just dies. I become the living embodiment off the 'lol mentor' with my crown on. The timings are just not all there for me. Half the fight is me timing out based on my rotation, so I know roughly what to do when I am pressing my buttons, when to greed, when to wait. Normal is also less mechanically coordinated, so things just feel more random too.
My soup brain is alphabet soup and I have dyslexia.
There is no getting off the raid train, Avy. I *will* turn you into a pentalegend. This is a threat.
(Jokes aside, great video and I'm glad you had so much fun with this experience!)
I love your videos! Thank you! As someone with “skill anxiety” I can really relate. Please share more of your raiding adventures! 👍
Lovely video. You picked a fantastic tier to start raiding! Thank you for the video ^_^
A recent thing I've done post Dawntrail was solo extreme bosses for Stormblood. I had never played that content and doing it solo was fun to learn the fights at my own pace. (A few extremes aren't solo-able due to mechanics, but most are now)
"All panic, no disco" was glorious
one nice thing about PF is that you acquire "street smarts"
ever since one person told me(for M2) "hey, it's really easy to remember, Splash is Spread and Drop is Duos, S=S, D=D" I renamed my "Pairs" macro for "Duos"(I got some macros to remind ppl what mech is stored both if it's a prog party or if someone has issues remembering)
This is me when I'm progging outside of my static... I gather all the goods from pfing to help my static progress aswell 😂
As a Raider you eventually learn that if you point out someone's mistake without being asked, you mess up with their mental. A player without their full mental makes more mistakes which is a problem for you, personally, because that makes you see more wipes. So you learn to overlook that.
Doesn't mean you're not mad at them, it just means you keep it to yourself otherwise it's going to get worse.
That really only works if the player themselves are aware of the mistake they made. If they aren't, not pointing it out is gonna waste the groups time as a whole.
Ideally, if you do fuck up, you SHOULD inform others that you did, I always do.
It really does depend on context and situation, from all of my raiding experience I try to be as patient as possible but if someone has a stinker attitude I just dip from the group, This is for PF mostly, stinker attitudes are a much tougher thing to resolve in statics, although they also happen less.
I would point out if it's a consistent problem... For example I kept getting pushed off to narnia on uwu titan landslides but I didn't know why and thought I just timed badly or something until someone told me I shouldn't be melee ranged for double landslides... That literally solved my problem lol
7:08 "You learn how to read the fight for yourself without rely on other people". There is another step to this it's "learning how to rely on other people without communication". Just today reclear, I sang along with m4s bgm and forget to look for safe spot, but luckily I can find my spot by rely on others' position relative to where my position should be. 😂
As someone who started playing ff14 roughly 10 months ago, i had no idea what my endgame goals were.
However since I caught up on the msq (took 8 months) while getting all my crafter jobs to max level. The first thing i started doing was mount farming, so started with ARR ex mounts and now have all of them including the current wing mounts from the 3 ex trials.
So now i have finally started progging m1s and im at enrage with some coeanup needed. Its been fun and frustrating.
I also get to hang out with my guild more and just have fun doing things with them.
Raiding can be fun, using PF to raid is like adding an extra layer of difficulty to everything. However it has made me a mich better player
My only issue with PF is the "from start" gamers joining "kill" parties :')
That has never happened to me in 6 years of EU PF, what will happen most often is that people will overshoot their prog point because they're overconfident.
I had that issue in TOP PF, where I would post a p5 PF only to be joined by p3 enrage gamers because "well p4 is barely a phase lmao". Who then, of course, proceed to fuck up party synergy and hello world.
Just like the comment over me it never happened to me either since 2019.
There are rarely some prog "liars" that join 2-3 mechanics further than they have actually seen.
The rule is if someone is really toxic or consistently lying about their prog and wiping the group, it is okay to blacklist them.
Progging Top in LPDU within a week broke me, cause P3 Monitor players would join P5 Delta/Sigma progs consistently.
But other than that i have a lot of positive experience in PF and made long lasting friends due to raiding in FFXIV.
It’s totally normal and okay to watch a guide and be confused at first. Everyone learns a bit differently, some people really need to see it from a direct in-game pov. However I do strongly believe that if you can find a way to prepare before going in the instance, for example by watching clear vods of your class along with the guide, doing that for 30 minutes can be more useful than hours of pf parties with inpatient or inconsistent players. Also if people are confused or not sure about something, it’s important to not be afraid to ask. The best time to clear up confusion is before pulling, not after.
glad u enjoyed raiding, hope u keep at it
Party Finder is where dreams go to die.
They did a study that people who were the ones who would lash out at people weren't all that great. The people who were kinder were better at the game. SCIENCE!
PFing savage might be more miserable than solo playing ranked league
started PF raiding this tier
and it is an Experience for sure for my first time raiding on content...
The real purpose of PF is to find that one party that always raids in at the same time you do so you can get recruited into a static and leave PF.
Sometimes I read the pf info, join, and then it fades in the soup. Good thing its written up in the chatbox for me!!
''I can barely remember my fantasia and I use it weekly'' 😂 Honestly my brain aswell.
Man I actually started raiding this expansion myself and I stuck with Party Finder the whole time. It was stressful but man now I do it on reset every week haha. Party Finder is the real Savage.
6:10 why I die laughing here 😂
I started in Stormblood patch 4.2, and I went from super casual and terrible at the game, to hardcore savage raider, and now im back to just playing casually for fun, doing my favorite content, Mentor Roulette, and getting Sprouts those EX clears with my experience.
as a fellow eu on na servers i feel the pain!! the amount of people who join of who don’t read is INSANE TOO!! i’ve had so many wipes cause of different stats and people who don’t read 😭
Heyo, started savage raiding this tier in PF and it's a lot of fun. The initial nerves wear off after like 2 pulls. My advice for new raiders is meet the savage with respect, take a little time to learn the job you're most comfortable with and practice with a training dummy. The better you stick your rotation into muscle memory the more you can focus on mechanics. And remember while damage is important no one is expecting you to be a 90+ parse giga gamer, you're going for clear and good enough damage is good enough. Going for parse is only for those who want to and hopefully only doing it for self satisfaction (i only do it to be happy with myself at least).
Goodluck out there
"It felt like I was a lab rat injected with a little dose of stupid, dropped into a cage with other rats, who were also injected with stupid"
THIS IS SO ACCURATE LMAOOOOOOOOO, even moreso in Ultimate PF.
Glad to hear that you enjoyed raiding overall! And if the urge strikes don't feel afraid of hopping into an ultimate either, if you can do this savage tier you can very easily handle UWU UCOB and TEA!
reminded me of something I saw a while back, "ultimate pf is finding yourself locked in a room with 7 clowns, only to discover there are actually 8 clowns"
Glad you took the plunge. This was the first tier I cleared on content, since I kept having statics break in EW, and was afraid of pf. Simply put there's no reason to be. We're nice, we have snacks, vuln snacks, lots of them.
Completely agree with you, I'm the kind of people you describe as needing massive muscle memory building xD (even after watching guide multiple times). Especially on trials post-SB.
A couple weeks ago, Hades and SoS (Normals) made me wonder how complicated it will be when I will start practicing EX-contents x')
Glad that you enjoyed raiding, it is the content I personally enjoy the most and I think we should welcome new raiders with open arms. If people are willing to learn I'll gladly take the time to help out unless people are "stinkers and we dont like those".
I did a lot of savage raiding for p9-p12. I enjoyed my time as a baby raider with my favorite memories being my first clear of p9s and p10s. It's not something I will be doing again though, at least not soon. I feel like I spend more time sitting in party finder than actually raiding and playing the game. The experience has made me a better player. Doing the same fights over and over until I perfected it was satisfying for a time, but that was never going to last for me.
Now it feels like gambling, hoping to find the right party that can at least reach the prog point. And I understand why this happens, it's not the end of the world when someone makes a mistake or was missing some details of a mechanic (I've been on that end, of course). I kind of wish people were more serious about playing their part well too (way too many dps never mitigating, for example), but I also understand why they aren't. It's just a video game.
No more rambling, good luck to all the new party finder pirates. Make sure you enjoy yourselves.
I had fun pf raiding in abyssos, got burnt out during anabaseios and have had no motivation to continue 😥 The only thing that'll rekindle my desire to do a raid will be if the glams are peak.
Awesome video. U got a new sub now
i feel like pf might scare some people, so i recommend joining a static that's beginner friendly. the only downside is that you might outgrow the static and have to leave to seek out a better group but the early consistency and help could be worth it. i'll forever be grateful to my first group who took me in at the end of endwalker and cleared pandaemonium with me, without them i would not be where i am today
One thing that people sometimes take too much anxiety from: discussion about mistakes. From any half-decent raider, figuring out a wipe is coming from a place of finding what went wrong and do we need to change something so it doesn't happen again. "Did I make a mistake without realizing?"
If someone acknowledges "mb, stacked with wrong group", then the problem is known and there's no need to dwell on it, just go again.
The difference between the newbies and the god gamers is, the god gamer has wiped the party more times than the newbie has pulls 😂
My fc dragged me into ex1. Once I got that clear, it made me realize I want to try more. But my fc doesn't do much of the savage and they haven't done ex2 yet. So I keep debating about trying party finder. Both because I will suck at first. And because I am antisocial. But after seeing this. I think I will try it this weekend. I am glad to not be the only one who will die all the time.
You have lovely glam and the video is great. I am a long time casual who wants to do all of the raiding now. The new raids for DT are very fun. Thanks for sharing your experience and encouragement.
Party finder is a great time being able to play with 7 other wols :D
I hate stinker players, a lot of them are extremely rude when you mess something up by accident, I had one party finder experience where players where calling me stupid and other insults because I screwed up and caused two party wipes despite trying to do my best.
Which is funny because that one player caused the first wipe by pulling a tether into an AOE marker I was covering as tank in a duty the DPS are meant to keep them off the tank while they catch the AOE circles.
As a PF raider that started in Pandemonium, I really REAAAALLY hope SE keep future tiers on a similar difficulty level as the current one, it's been a blast, compared with how tedious and frustrating panda was
I also did my first ever Savage raiding this tier, and all on PF too. It definitely was a rough but really fun experience.
Doing it in PF, you really get to meet all kinds of players. Maybe it’s just me though but I’d rather get the stinkers who mess up mechanics, even on reclears, than the ehhh toxic players who really sour the mood of the party.
love the dig at the first Raid boss any Final Fantasy player faces... account creation. At least it isn't the Ultima that is FFXI.
i really wanted to try out savage this time, but i got distracted with ... a lot of life stuff... for months... and now i feel like i maybe missed the window on finding pf groups that are also new to the fights T_T
I consistently mention when I start kidnapping people that I'm dog water quality but put effort in. And 2/3 the time feel like I'm babysitting still. Skill levels are both objective and subjective. It just depends on what your context is.
It’s funny you say that bc I’m a Casual player…and have remained a casual player. While I do go out of my way to try to play a raid enough to learn it and I have fun raiding…that’s really where it stops. I haven’t even dipped my toes into RP (not that I exactly know where to look). That being said I’ve noticed that since I’m just a casual player, nothing else, I take more breaks from the game and my breaks tend to be longer. I did try current raiding in WoW and I was surprisingly lucky enough to have a tolerant group and guild since I had never even tried to raid in WoW. I quickly realized that even if I had a great group with me…it was still too much for me. I found myself constantly feeling overwhelmed and over stimulated and anxious, so when I came back to ffxiv I decided that casual raiding would be more than enough for me.
To anyone interested jump in! You will suck at the beginning but with time you will get better. Fight knowledge is very transferable between fights and you will improve. Most people are chill, ignore cry babies.
Don't worry about messing up even on "easy" mechanics because that's part of the process. What's important is figuring out why and how you died so you can do it right next time. Plenty of tools you can use to analyze.
Eventually you will come across a mechanic that you can't do consistently. Looking at guides, diagrams/raidplanners, or asking for a explanation is always a good idea.
Remember if you're asking for explanations in PF re/clear parties people might be annoyed but it's still better to ask before the pull to avoid wiping. In my experience asking questions goes better before the first pull.
If you're overwhelmed by a mechanic stop DPSing and focus on it, don't forget to reintroduce your rotation back when you're feeling comfortable. DPS only matters if there is an enrage. Consistent uptime and buff synergy is a skill that is only required in current max level Ultimates. Doing your rotation and not dying is enough for 90% of content.
If you're unsure what job to play, pick whatever you feel most comfortable with. Tank/healer have a larger learning curve but in the long run it will pay off.
One last thing people don't mention is when you get better at raiding those skills will transfer over to all other content. Normal content will begin to feel slow and sometimes hilariously easy. Good luck.
I like joining duty complete parties and helping them clear owo
i did some of Alexander savage for the first time the other day. A1S and A2S were push overs, we did both first tries.
A3S it took us nearly the whole timer to beat. im shocked we beat it that quickly when one of the healers 1) kept running around like a headless chicken, 2) didnt have any ability past 50, 3) used Cure 1....alot 4) messed up mechanics basically every single time, even the first couple constantly.
the healer was at least upfront about their problems and was asking questions, talking lots. but i guess they have never been...talked to before about their performance so even though we told them to do X they were stuck in their rut of doing things the way they have been all this time, aka the wrong way
i was top of aggro(fighting with another DPS often) other than tanks but the other player that was also playing the same DPS class as me was...at the very bottom....even below both healers. they would stand around not attacking much even during slow periods and when they were attacking they were basically doing their most bare bones attacks. another DPS was not talking at all, barely did anything at all to help.
im hoping the farther in the game i go for harder content the more competent people i get. i went into Alexander savage fights blind with some basic explanations and while a few mechanics confused me at first, i still learned relatively fast other than the 2 hand phase and a little bit of the 3 debuffs you need to switch around to other players
"Ackshully there are more types of players!" But your point still stands that we cyclically still dabble in raid or RP.
An interesting question is who dabbles and stays in PvP (I am one that now basically just PvPs in 14).
Despite what people say about it, pvp in ffxiv is still fun ❤
7:55 was sick, but ballsy lol, respect
What is the name of the glam of white shorts and white boots you’re wearing? 💖
The que times for the Lowers one though, make story progression all but impossible if you're not social
I have typed "?" after a wipe, but only because I was actually wondering what happened and if I made a mistake 😢
To clarify- PF doesn’t mind reading letters, just words. “ TN THD TMMM” sure. “Blind prog helpers welcome” here comes the salty gamer with macros and the one wipe ellipsis
I started this game as a broke jobless depressed fat pig who just got laid off and hit life rock bottom and needed something to take my mind off it, so, very much casual. But I fell in love with and started raiding some 6 months into me playing the game, with alphascape.
I don't see the dichotomy between "raider" and "role player" - I am mostly a raider but raiding probl'y would account for maybe 30% of the total time I spent in the game, with everything else being leveling, relics, crafting, gathering, fishing and trying (and failing) to make money. That is over 6 years to be fair. I don't really get and have never tried role playing.
PF can and usually does suck but I think it has some very big upsides to static raiding. Even though I generally prefer static raiding as I like a nice schedule, being able to just open a PF, wait for a fill and just go into a fight is nice.
The biggest issue I think are prog liers, and there is sadly very few ways you can deal with them other than hoping they don't join your party or are actually good enough for their lack of prog to not matter.
PF first two weeks is the best, it just goes down as time goes... first two week everyone has vacation taken off to clear, so they are super focused on clearing. After that the casuals come and learning is impossibly slooooooow... and im not saying that be a sweaty spagetty, but if you want "easy PF" then do first two weeks. After that its hard mode.
I am looking to get into end game raiding, but I actually found an FC who is going to start M1S this week? (If not this week, then next week. FC leader has been having some health issues.)
But I have been afraid to doing it though party finder.
partyfinder brakes my spirit so bad sometimes TuT
Everyone should try raiding at least once and if you can keep getting to enrage with no deaths then all thats left is to learn your rotation. (Though I suggest you know it before trying)
I've only typed ?? or .... in chat when I'm legitimately confused or disappointed with myself
That isn't how most people interpret it, trust me. Most people will see that as you being condescending or passive aggressive, regardless of the context.
Omg same I feel like it was mostly my fault and I'm just dumbfounded
When it comes to individual responsibility most sucks at it
Words... icky lol 😂 I love you for that
I wanna do both. xD i'm a Face 2 Seeker former Face 2 Keeper, but i've been playing since 2020.
This may be the sign I needed to try raiding 🤔
Not me watching this video making sure I'm not griefing her in game...
As a player who has accidentally joined a couple PFs without completely reading, I'm so so sorry like for real (genuinely). Your (valid) roasting aside, there are some real, human reasons it happens, and I admit sometimes it's egregious enough for even me to judge.
Unfortunately with all the acronyms for different variants of strategies to solve mechanics, coupled with the fact the EXACT PF parties you want fill up fast when you play a ranged DPS like DNC, it is quite possible -- probable even -- for people to misread a few characters or even a word, as i have. That said, in my case I did adapt to the alt strategy with no issues so I didn't grief anyone, promise!
Oh the gods are shit talking you. 100%. They're just doing it in their discords or chat calls. They understand to not bring the vibe down for the party, They understand the groups here to clear and that's all.
Anyone that has been raiding for a long time will tell you that dying a lot is the point. That's the fun part. Raiders are normal people I swear.
I think you can put another category in the "gposer" category, which can just constantly create stylish, action, erotic screenshots, all together (?!?!) or create entire lores and reproduce them almost like a comic book... (I think I'll become the last option 🤣)
I raid in pf. I agree with everything you say.
Wee needd 10 reasons why to play Horthgar!!!
"I do not do that intentionally"...c'mon...we both know you are because....hot erm...unicorn lady?
....I donno...
:o I didn't realize you were on NA. Would love to data center hop to crystal sometime and do a meetup if you ever do those. :3
Whats more fun than min maxing and learning how you can greed every single gcd and slide cast the must clunkiest mechanics?
party finder isn't so bad...once you have a clear. Lmao.
Not even this, reclearing p9s and p10s specially in pf was a pain in the ass
Light ultimate pf makes other pfs fisher price levels
I really like your voice ^^
Never thought of making an EU alt if the ping is bad?
As a noob player i don't do raid party finder because i don't know where is the party finder...😅
PS : do you continue the "10 reasons to play this job" videos ?
I thought PF Raiding is what made me leave but after joining a static I realized I had just joined a recurring PF which in retrospect....
I hate raiders
heya catte 💗
Well i started to RP and raiding at the same time