I just bought a C200 after hedging on it, so I think it will be good value! I used to shoot a C100 when I worked for my college's journalism school, so I look forward to having a Canon camera again. And frankly, I was never happy with using a DSLR form factor for run-and-gun filming.
Great video, answered many of my questions. As a relative beginner to video currently using a 5d3, I was tempted to go the camcorder route (XA50) for simple RUclips videos but the C200 looks like something I could learn from and I already have some decent EF lenses.
No need for a new latest camera in 2024. I've been still using C300s and FS5s I've never had a new camera. BTW I personally wouldn't buy from anywhere except Adorama. Their return policy and quality control is very accurate. Their "well used" is still in very good shape, and as of today Sep 25, 2024, C200s are going for $1670.
So I’ve tried being on the cutting edge and buying gear when it first came out and also tried being on the trailing edge….”still good enough for now”. I’m now a retired hobbiest, so my preference going forward is to buy in the newer side of the curve, not be limited and hopefully get a 10 year runway before “not being good enough”. 10 years is a long time in camera world, but the C100ii and 70D made that goal as did my XHA1 back in the day. It’s nice to be on the front edge, enjoy the new capabilities, and then have years to learn and optimize the gears use while its capabilities hold up to newer offerings. I’ve also “missed” on new tech as when I bought the 7D upon release. It was almost immediately obsoleted by the 70D’s excellent dual pixel autofocus, audio controls, and a number of other features.
Saying ALL Hollywood movies are shot super 35 is also not true lol I wasn’t saying full frame is objectively better, I meant more about my own views at the time & the extra depth you get. At the time it was more attractive to me
@@BrockRoberts let me rephrase. About 90% of Hollywood movies are shot on super35 format. 10% shot on various others, including full frame. The way you said it sounded as if full frame is objectively better than super35 when really it’s how you shoot with the camera and the image it captures.
@@alexshotthese I don’t disagree. My fault if it wasn’t clear. I was speaking more in the context of my own opinion at the time. I love full frame & super 35. They both have their place.
To my knowledge, cinema cameras sensors are not quite comparable to photography camera sensors. So I wonder if the image quality difference with the R6 is the sensor size. 10bit / 8 bit could be the reason, maybe also the R6 being a 20mp sensor which makes it great in low light. Thanks for the video 👍🏼
@@MeilikPepper Why thank you. Because I do it for fun not money. 14 bit color with RAW video more uncompressed raw than anything modern you can buy now for anywhere near that cost.. YEP
Believe it or not my production company shoots with a couple of the old C300m2 for the ergonomics and a couple of R3 for gimbal related work for tv work such as cooking shows, traveling, magazines and documentary. Latest and greatest is good and all but profit in the pocket is more important at the end of the day than to spend money constantly on new upgrades on the latest and greatest.
Honestly, if you work in a narrative setting. It’s solid! For example, the FX6 dosnt shoot RAW. The C200 is about 2,000$ I believe, and the FX6 is 6,000$. It retains its value, but yea, maybe time to upgrade.
Thank you for this video, I had seen quite a few videos on the C70 (including yours) and I really wanted this camera, but its price does not allow me to do so. So the C200 alternative is very interesting. Is there a “select subject” like on the C70 please?
The C200 does have tracking auto focus, but you have to map it to a custom button. Once the button is pressed you can put the tracking box on whatever you want and then press the joystick and it tracks. Tough to find, but works well. Also while in face priority mode you can switch between detected faces using the joystick.
If you have a good iMac and you only shoot raw and you already have top ef lenses and already have cfast 2.0 cards and resolve studio the c200 is amazing ! 1000% useable still even against newer cameras I find it hard to replace the damn thing especially for the price can’t be matched only down side to the camera is autofocus its worst then the eos r auto focus which isn’t to bad and the low light is kinda bad I wouldn’t say horrible but not great. But I do want the r5c to use as a B cam on the gimbal lol
@@andersistbesser Depends on use case... I know editors who curse and swear at DPs who shoot in RAW because a lot of commercials they do (5-30s ads) have a 48hr delivery window after shooting. And waiting 18hrs to transcode from RAW to ProRes just makes their life hard for no reason. This was made worse when a DP tried to share files via cloud instead of driving 30mins to deliver a hard drive so they had 20-24hrs to do a 48hr job. Not much need for RAW when white balance is something decided on-set and there's no extreme colour grades either. Simple ProRes 422HQ would have sufficed. I think RAW makes sense for run-and-gun where you have zero control in the field, so you want control in post, or if heavy grades will be done.
@@andersistbesser well no. Canon just didn’t give a nice middle path between 8bit and 12bit Raw. Giving consumers options is better than restricting them.
@@andersistbesser I do have a Sony camera. And that brings up my point. Sony gave the consumers many options. Shooting in 8bit, 10bit, 12bit Raw, h265, All-I, etc. Canon limited the capabilities with the c200.
Alwasy wanted this beast never been a better time to get it. Cost 8 racks before tax to get it out of the store when it originally released. Def gonna get one soon. great review I think there is a bright version of the monitor you can get If they were smart they would firmware update for clog3 Hollerback
Not exactly….lol it depends on what you are saying it’s “better” than. The C70 can also shoot 12Bit raw so if that’s what you’re comparing it to then no. Now when it comes to value, that’s different convo
I agree... the "less is more" principle shouldbe be applied. Jyst because you have effects doesn't mean we should over yse them. Its all about the story telling.
@@grantsutton8727 hey guys…..I get it lol I overdid it. I just tried something 🤷🏼♂️ check out some other videos on the channel, they aren’t all like this lol
Our studio has dozens of Canon camera including the little M50 and I can tell you that camera needs a LOT of light when you are recording video...I mean a lot. So if you're shooting outside on a real sunny day, then the images can be good, but otherwise small struggles. It would be best to use canon's "L" series professional lenses with the M50 which is what we do but I understand most people don't have access to those expensive lenses where you can shoot aperture as low as f1.2. Honestly, out by yourself a canon full frame sensor camera. You can buy used canon R pretty cheap or if you have more money move up to the Canon R6 MK I. we now keep our M50 mounted about a computer monitor used as a web camera :)
As a loyal C100 M2 user I was bitterly disappointed after the long wait for the C200 - no 4K 10bit 422 internal to SD? REALLY CANON???!!! I didn't buy it. Just upgraded to a C70 last month and really like it- only complaint is miss my EVF but I have a DIY solution that works. Since I basically can't give my C100 away I'm saving it as a safety cam and streaming cam. I firmly believe if Canon had kept the excellent form factor of the C100, made slight improvements to a touch screen, better EVF and autofocus, and made the Mark 3 4K 10bit 422 at a decent Mbps internal to SD they would have sold a million of them.
I agree. The C200 was great overall but definitely felt like an incomplete camera from launch. C70 did as well from the initial launch but firmware has fixed a lot of that. Anything lower than 10Bit is just unacceptable at this point.
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Do you think the C200 is a good value in 2024?
I just bought a C200 after hedging on it, so I think it will be good value!
I used to shoot a C100 when I worked for my college's journalism school, so I look forward to having a Canon camera again. And frankly, I was never happy with using a DSLR form factor for run-and-gun filming.
Great video, answered many of my questions.
As a relative beginner to video currently using a 5d3, I was tempted to go the camcorder route (XA50) for simple RUclips videos but the C200 looks like something I could learn from and I already have some decent EF lenses.
No need for a new latest camera in 2024. I've been still using C300s and FS5s I've never had a new camera. BTW I personally wouldn't buy from anywhere except Adorama. Their return policy and quality control is very accurate. Their "well used" is still in very good shape, and as of today Sep 25, 2024, C200s are going for $1670.
I love my Canon C200. Great for interviews, seminars, commercials etc
It shines with the CN-E 18-80 and using the RAW workflow. 8bit looks great if you expose correctly.
You can get 10bit 2k via hdmi/sdi to external recorder.
What's the bit rate on that?
I think it is a great camera for a Podcast Studio, Good AF, good battery life, EF Mount. Perfect for this
I would be great for podcasts!
So I’ve tried being on the cutting edge and buying gear when it first came out and also tried being on the trailing edge….”still good enough for now”. I’m now a retired hobbiest, so my preference going forward is to buy in the newer side of the curve, not be limited and hopefully get a 10 year runway before “not being good enough”. 10 years is a long time in camera world, but the C100ii and 70D made that goal as did my XHA1 back in the day.
It’s nice to be on the front edge, enjoy the new capabilities, and then have years to learn and optimize the gears use while its capabilities hold up to newer offerings.
I’ve also “missed” on new tech as when I bought the 7D upon release. It was almost immediately obsoleted by the 70D’s excellent dual pixel autofocus, audio controls, and a number of other features.
My C200 is used almost on a daily basis. Mainly because of the form factor. Yes, I want the C300iii but couldn't justify the lofty price yet.
Nice! Love it!
Saying full frame is a better image compared to Super35 is pretty debatable considering all Hollywood movies are still shot on Super35.
Saying ALL Hollywood movies are shot super 35 is also not true lol I wasn’t saying full frame is objectively better, I meant more about my own views at the time & the extra depth you get. At the time it was more attractive to me
@@BrockRoberts let me rephrase. About 90% of Hollywood movies are shot on super35 format. 10% shot on various others, including full frame. The way you said it sounded as if full frame is objectively better than super35 when really it’s how you shoot with the camera and the image it captures.
@@alexshotthese I don’t disagree. My fault if it wasn’t clear. I was speaking more in the context of my own opinion at the time. I love full frame & super 35. They both have their place.
@@BrockRoberts Yes, most are shot on Super 35 so its good enough but bigger sensors are the future and help in more ways than one.
S35 isn't superior. It's the fact that ALL THE LENSES in hollywood were made for S35 is the reason they use them.
Nice video. "It's Not the Plane, It's the Pilot"- Top Gun: Maverick
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Fabulous! Very informative and helpful. I'm a new fan and follower!
Thanks!!
To my knowledge, cinema cameras sensors are not quite comparable to photography camera sensors. So I wonder if the image quality difference with the R6 is the sensor size. 10bit / 8 bit could be the reason, maybe also the R6 being a 20mp sensor which makes it great in low light.
Thanks for the video 👍🏼
EOS-M 14 bit cough cough....
@@chrisw5742 bless you!
(with Magic Lantern, cough cough..)
@@MeilikPepper Why thank you. Because I do it for fun not money. 14 bit color with RAW video more uncompressed raw than anything modern you can buy now for anywhere near that cost.. YEP
And at least I post content.......
@@MeilikPepper I also have a 100 year old 16mm film camera.
Believe it or not my production company shoots with a couple of the old C300m2 for the ergonomics and a couple of R3 for gimbal related work for tv work such as cooking shows, traveling, magazines and documentary. Latest and greatest is good and all but profit in the pocket is more important at the end of the day than to spend money constantly on new upgrades on the latest and greatest.
Honestly, if you work in a narrative setting. It’s solid! For example, the FX6 dosnt shoot RAW. The C200 is about 2,000$ I believe, and the FX6 is 6,000$. It retains its value, but yea, maybe time to upgrade.
Yeah! There’s definitely a place for it with the right person! You can even get them used for $1500. That’s a ton of camera for the money!
Thank you for this video, I had seen quite a few videos on the C70 (including yours) and I really wanted this camera, but its price does not allow me to do so. So the C200 alternative is very interesting. Is there a “select subject” like on the C70 please?
Thanks!! Unfortunately there isn’t. The only type of subject tracking the C200 has is face detection
@@BrockRoberts Thanks. What about stabilization? Electronic stabilization?
@@jsita no stabilization
The C200 does have tracking auto focus, but you have to map it to a custom button. Once the button is pressed you can put the tracking box on whatever you want and then press the joystick and it tracks. Tough to find, but works well. Also while in face priority mode you can switch between detected faces using the joystick.
@@AaronEAtwell yes but it’s not specific subject tracking like some of the newer cameras.
If you have a good iMac and you only shoot raw and you already have top ef lenses and already have cfast 2.0 cards and resolve studio the c200 is amazing ! 1000% useable still even against newer cameras I find it hard to replace the damn thing especially for the price can’t be matched only down side to the camera is autofocus its worst then the eos r auto focus which isn’t to bad and the low light is kinda bad I wouldn’t say horrible but not great. But I do want the r5c to use as a B cam on the gimbal lol
Dude I just picked up a Canon XL1 for a more retro look. But the C200 was on my list for consideration too!
Nice!!
Prices need to come down more. Shooting in raw is too expensive and makes no sense.
To you because you have kow standards. You are like a photographer who says jpgs are good enough
@@andersistbesser Depends on use case... I know editors who curse and swear at DPs who shoot in RAW because a lot of commercials they do (5-30s ads) have a 48hr delivery window after shooting. And waiting 18hrs to transcode from RAW to ProRes just makes their life hard for no reason. This was made worse when a DP tried to share files via cloud instead of driving 30mins to deliver a hard drive so they had 20-24hrs to do a 48hr job. Not much need for RAW when white balance is something decided on-set and there's no extreme colour grades either. Simple ProRes 422HQ would have sufficed. I think RAW makes sense for run-and-gun where you have zero control in the field, so you want control in post, or if heavy grades will be done.
@@andersistbesser well no. Canon just didn’t give a nice middle path between 8bit and 12bit Raw. Giving consumers options is better than restricting them.
@@renouncreation if you want a consumer option just buy a sony. I wish i had a camera with 12 bit raw.
@@andersistbesser I do have a Sony camera. And that brings up my point. Sony gave the consumers many options. Shooting in 8bit, 10bit, 12bit Raw, h265, All-I, etc. Canon limited the capabilities with the c200.
on a canon c200,can I use A radio focus?
Alwasy wanted this beast never been a better time to get it. Cost 8 racks before tax to get it out of the store when it originally released. Def gonna get one soon. great review
I think there is a bright version of the monitor you can get
If they were smart they would firmware update for clog3
Hollerback
Yeah it’s a beast that’s definitely worth buying today! Thanks for watching!
@@BrockRoberts much love
I have and have had a lot of cameras and the C200 is my favorite.
Is the grad footage have like a faded black to it? Seems like the shadow detail is gone. Just was curious.
It’s older footage shot so I’m honestly not sure 😅
Just use a Atmos Ninja V - You can get 10bit 2k via hdmi
Definitely an option.
is that 60 fps or just 24?
So basically, if you can afford the cfast card...then the c200 is better. Right?
Not exactly….lol it depends on what you are saying it’s “better” than. The C70 can also shoot 12Bit raw so if that’s what you’re comparing it to then no. Now when it comes to value, that’s different convo
Skip CFAST and get a Atomos Ninja V external recorder and you're set. If you already have one this the C200 can be powerful.
Your fking transition effect is gonna give me a stroke xDDD you need to relax on using it like 1000 times in one video
Maybe I overdid it 🤷🏼♂️…..regardless, you decided to take time to comment how much you dislike it…thanks for the engagement!
I agree... the "less is more" principle shouldbe be applied.
Jyst because you have effects doesn't mean we should over yse them.
Its all about the story telling.
@@grantsutton8727 hey guys…..I get it lol I overdid it. I just tried something 🤷🏼♂️ check out some other videos on the channel, they aren’t all like this lol
Hi, I have a canon eos m50 mark II. I don’t like the quality of my videos and I was wondering if it’s because I need to change my lens? Thank you
There are a lot of factors. Could be lighting, lenses, settings etc.
Our studio has dozens of Canon camera including the little M50 and I can tell you that camera needs a LOT of light when you are recording video...I mean a lot. So if you're shooting outside on a real sunny day, then the images can be good, but otherwise small struggles. It would be best to use canon's "L" series professional lenses with the M50 which is what we do but I understand most people don't have access to those expensive lenses where you can shoot aperture as low as f1.2. Honestly, out by yourself a canon full frame sensor camera. You can buy used canon R pretty cheap or if you have more money move up to the Canon R6 MK I. we now keep our M50 mounted about a computer monitor used as a web camera :)
The raw is still buttery
It is!
As a loyal C100 M2 user I was bitterly disappointed after the long wait for the C200 - no 4K 10bit 422 internal to SD? REALLY CANON???!!! I didn't buy it. Just upgraded to a C70 last month and really like it- only complaint is miss my EVF but I have a DIY solution that works. Since I basically can't give my C100 away I'm saving it as a safety cam and streaming cam. I firmly believe if Canon had kept the excellent form factor of the C100, made slight improvements to a touch screen, better EVF and autofocus, and made the Mark 3 4K 10bit 422 at a decent Mbps internal to SD they would have sold a million of them.
I agree. The C200 was great overall but definitely felt like an incomplete camera from launch. C70 did as well from the initial launch but firmware has fixed a lot of that. Anything lower than 10Bit is just unacceptable at this point.
too much flashing in this video
Thanks for the opinion!
Does it have built in ND?
Yep!
Very good built in ND filters which is one of the biggest pros of this camera.
@@MrJimslaton No doubt!