Pilot stories: Go Around in stormy Tivat
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- Опубликовано: 22 фев 2018
- Full story of the flight (please, read if you've got any question):
drive.google.com/file/d/1ryxl...
Link to the 2ndpart of the video:
• Pilot stories: CrazyTi...
3rd part (takeoff):
• Pilot Stories. Nice an...
It was one of my most difficult flights. I flew with a trainee-captain. The weather in Tivat was supposed to be windy, and the only approach available was NDB RWY 32. This meant that we had to fly visually after the final descent point (TAZ NDB). As the NDB approach had been selected in the FMC, no vertical and lateral guidance (VNAV/LNAV) could be provided after TAZ.
It was going to be a challenging approach. Runway 32 in Tivat is not aligned with the final path - at appx 500 feet you have to bank left as RWY course differs by 20 degrees from the approach track. It is not difficult when the air is calm, but it is not easy during hard gusts - the biggest problem is to control the speed and path simultaneously.
The airport is located between mountains, thus in windy weather pilots can always expect wind shears. We were ready for this and in means of safety, we discussed a possibility of changes the roles - if things go worse I will take controls... 
Авто/Мото
Какое спокойствие в голосе и поведение, достойное настоящего летчика! Спасибо за картинку и любимый Тиват!
Show this video to those who ask why are pilots paid so much.
Not all the pilots are paid much.. My salary is 1800 per month
@@josephciobanu8768 yeah well of course you need experience. Captains make $227/hr or $230,000 per year average (Canada)
Where in the world bro??? Im making nothing close than U$ 30k yr...7 yrs in A320 right side 4000 hours +
Cool Kiasha, in Canadian dollars, yeah?😁
А не скучно бывает порой в кабине, Денис Сергеевич! Спасибо за видео! Благодаря таким кадрам истинно начинаешь понимать, что это за Работа и Труд.
Thank you for providing a write up of the incident! As a pilot still getting ratings and working towards being a CFI, having a deeper understanding of the thought process and your reasons for your decisions provides a great insight. Your experience really shows! Keep up the videos and happy flying!
Thank you! Safe flights!
Классно, что сказал "gear up" без коллаута "positive rate", и мониторил тягу в наборе. Супер! Второй на вводе чуток выпал, но не каждый день приходится уходить на реальном самолёте. Помню мой первый уход был немного косячным, но потом втянулся. Молодец, Денис, всё классно сделал. +Nice CRM!
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Hats off to you sir. Please disregard all those unconstructive, negative comments. You are a great instructor. I’m a captain on 737-800/900ER too and as a pilot, I believe one should not think of himself/herself as a perfect pilot in the world. If a pilot got carried away with this attitude , trust me it could jeopardize the safety of a flight one day, due to their egos. I always treat my job and everything happened as a part of the learning curve. Everyday is not the same. Everyday we learn new things. When a pilot thinks he knows everything about flying, then I guess it is their best time to retire.
Thanks captain.
"When a pilot thinks he knows everything about flying, then I guess it is their best time to retire"
The Rule number 1 in aviation. Thank you! Safe flights!
Well said!!
"Задержка, лучше чем катастрофа"
Денис Сергеевич с праздником Вас! С 23 февраля!! Супер видео !!! СПАСИБО ОГРОМЕННОЕ!! Обожаю летать!!!!!
Спасибо!
Wow both of you did amazing. You worked together very well.
Could feel the tension in the cockpit that time but u both were professionals and made it well. Keep up good work with ur caption that explain things we want to know 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Looking forward to watch part 2. Captain Okan you are an excellent pilot.👏
Which pilot are you talking about. If it's the one we can see and who was flying hes not a captain.
Captain Ive read your document and your explanation about go around, A/T usage, CRM is amazing. After my type training for 737 I realized how little I was ready for a go around especially if there are bank angle or speed limitaions and missed app altitude is fairly low. Since as a company procedure we disconnect A/P and A/T before 500 feet, In case of a go around it can easily make less experienced pilots disoriented where to set thrust, when to re engage AP and AT, when to retract flaps or what to do if u have climbed or passed the miss app altitude sooner then you expected. Then of course following proper lateral path. Almost engine failure procedure is much easier :) Nice flights and please keep up the good content. Cheers
Thank you! Safe flights!
Tivat is amaizing place!❤
Tivat je za mene najljepse mjesto na svijetu!🇲🇪
Спасибо Денис. Рассказ об этом заходе прочитал полностью (в трех частях) очень много интересного изложенно. Контент очень позновательный, с правильной философией. Желаю Вам успехов.
Amazing multitasking. You guys are great: so calm, so professional.
Would love to see the 2and go around!! I loved go arounds as a flight attendant... but the power of the engines never fails to amaze me!
Christopher Pericolosi
I can imagine it must have been a pretty fun job! Def has it's rewards...although having to put up with total a$$holes along the way is always part of the job. . I KNOW, because I dealt cards in Vegas for 30 years. Although it was the most exciting and fun job to me... sadly it also had it's share of a$$holes we had to deal with. But I look back and SMILE, as the memories are mostly all very good. I miss my job and Vegas like crazy. :(
Happy New Year.
Part 2 Go round and landing..... ruclips.net/video/RNlmdpWiDvY/видео.html
Part 3 Departing Tivat.... ruclips.net/video/X9LpmFOrkg0/видео.html
And the story behind this fight. drive.google.com/file/d/1ryxlzBes9JXv6bdcrhVWz644XHKD82Nt/view
I see my house from your cabin. It has been very windy these days. All flights were diverted to Podgorica Airport. Greetings from Tivat 🙌
Самая главная фраза Let’s go around
Этим все сказано
Профессионализм это не лезть туда куда не надо ...
Есть время есть запас топлива...
Зачем рисковать ...
Денис восхищаюсь Вами и Вашей компетенцией 😉👍👍👍
Как всегда на высшем уровне🛫
Только сказано было "это go around". В этой ситуации любой грамотный командир выполнил бы уход, так как не были соблюдены критерии стабилизированного захода на посадку.
В данной конкретной ситуации заход был ещё стабилизированным. Но был риск.
@@user-uf3bt1lq4z если не умеешь внимательно смотреть не учи уму других!!!!
Сказано было именно let's go around
Если не слышишь посмотри субтитры сделаные Денисом
@@DenisOkan полностью с Вами согласен👍
Денис когда следующий стрим?)))
Вопросик Вы знакомы с Андреем Борисовичем я смотрю так же как и Вас
Если знакомы то не задумывались сделать совместный стрим было бы очень интересно...
Спасибо 🙏
@@drakaris09 либо у тебя проблемы со слухом, либо у меня. Хотя влэк каждый год прохожу, у лора вопросов не было)) ты в курсе, что перевод с одного языка на другой происходит не дословно?
Every experienced Captain will tell you that Tivat is one of the hardest airports to land, especially when you have hard north-west winds. Good decision with GA. :)
Greetings from Montenegro :)
Thanks)) I was there dozens of time, it was one of my most loving destinations in s7)
Greeting from Muscat!
Awesome video and good skills! Few goaround cockpit videos out there! Wish we could watch the second landing...
great job, i love when pilot do Go Around because it is not about fail to land the plane but it is about the "Feel" / instinct to do the safe step, i really love when pilot do this, even some passgr think that maybe the pilot is a newbie so he can't land this plane, but i call this procesdure as a WISE STEP to do for the safety reason bcause the instinct it self and the SAFEST WAY for everybody on that cndtion, GBU always..
Legend has it, they are still going around....
Simply Bravo!!! In IFR conditions just instruments need to be monitored but VFR is so complicated that you need concentrate on instruments and visual outside... That's why you guys are paid well and you all deserve that. A simple error may cost huge loss
Great video sir
Денис круто! Ни одна, так сказать, мышца не дрогнула.. 👍💪
Wow sir it was amazing to watch all this from cockpit.
Thank you
Помню год 2007 или 8 , домой летел с Новосибирска, через Мирный, на Ленск и дальше. С Ленска до дома на Ан-2 оставалось часа 1,5 лета. Весна в тех местах поздно наступает и ветра сильные дуют. Вообще вылет задерживали часа на 3 , а потом и вообще отменили. Денег нет на гостишку(студентом был), аэропорт на ночь закрывают, ну думаю попал.. Тут вдруг объявление, такой то рейс до Витима(куда мне и надо было) отменен из-за сильного ветра. НО!!! будет вертолет который всех заберет. Еще тогда подумал если самолету нельзя взлетать, то как вертолет то полетит. Вообщем пошли на посадку пешком, ветер был такой , что по взлетке люди шли с трудом. Багаж привезли и рядом с вертолетом выгрузили, я постоял посмотрел по сторонам , понял что тут самообслуживание и на пару с мужиком сумки закидали. Все зашли , расселись, летчики начали запускать двигателя.. И вот тут я пожалел что полетел на Ми-8, взлетный режим... Такое чувство что все, сейчас на части он развалиться и все приехали. Но все обошлось, долетели отлично! Спасибо экипажу! Вот тут просто навеяло после просмотра...
Good job. Just read your full flight story. Well done!
Good job Capt. For save flight
Денис!! Отличное видео!! Обязательно буду ждать продолжения, ибо Тиват сам по себе очень сложный порт. Поскорей выкладывай!!!
С праздником Гражданской Авиации Денис !Здоровья .легкого неба " безопасных полетов и" ничто Вас не может вышибить из седла ......" Счастья Вам !!!Бабушка 80 лет
Блин я прям горжусь пилотами вы реально крутые пацаны!!💯👐.. такая сложная работа жуть ..
Denis, you are an excellent pilot!
Nice video and explenation Captain!
Thanks, Captain!
Such a tense few minutes, you both handled the situation with the utmost professionalism, I really hope most pilots are like you!
communication is key and they nailed it!
Great job of the Captain coaching the trainee captain. Stayed calm throughout the entire situation. Phenomenal leadership and teamwork 10/10
What exactly was going on here? The trainee is in the captains seat, but seems like he is a new hire. Sorry if this is stupid im just a bit confused
andrew hahaha no I get it! If this was part of his upgrade I don’t think he made the cut. They may send him back down for some more time in the right seat before he’s ready to be captain. I bet the pax are glad the training captain was there 😬
да уж ВПП конечно там отличное, чуть не расчитал, и ты уже купаешься в море не выходя из самолёта, вот это я понимаю сервис :))
As I can see, Denis, you are very experienced captain, you are able to fly only according to the displays, cold head, and clear mind :) ... I like your videos ;)
I forgot what a handful the 73 is in a go around in those conditions, you can see why some crews run into problems in IMC at night. Good call to take over and do the missed approach
During the upgrade process, basic flying skills and technical knowledge are a given - hopefully. Training is much more about judgement and management, getting comfortable in the role of commander. There are different cultures obviously. In my opinion, I would have like to see the trainee have a chance to decide the go around by himself. As long as safety is not compromised, of course. Because it's not so much about completing the approach than making the right call. Everyone can fuck up an approach every now and then - it shouldn't be a habit, though, especially for a captain in training. Of course, if you are low on fuel, it's a different situation and as PIC landing comes first but here it doesn't seem to be the case. Once again, different countries, different cultures. In Western Europe, it would have been rather damaging to the trainee's self confidence to see his trainer guide him a lot and eventually take over controls during the first approach and it would certainly have been caused for concern regarding the trainee's ability to be a commander. In Eastern Europe, this might be quite different?
Holy moly, that looked busy!
Excellent, can't wait for the second part!
Командир молодец!!!!!!! Много был в Тивате, но на 2й круг не уходил...!
Hooray, finally a new video! Thank you for the extra practice of English)
Здоровья , удачи и Божией помощи
Да, ветер дал пинка!
Ну вот нормальный, спокойный уход на второй круг (по крайней мере внешне так показалось). Без нервов и паники всё чётко, а главное своевременно сделано.
У всех бы так. Я из Казани.
ДА УЖ В КАЗАНИ У БОИНГА К СОЖАЛЕНИЮ ТАК НЕ ПОЛУЧИЛОСЬ
"Это был один из самых трудных моих полетов" - в видео "это Го эраунд", как будто так и должно быть, ничего необычного
Удачного полета и конечно приземления. Красиво .😍👍🙇♀️
Говоря они до сих пор вокруг острова летают
Хаха
А топливо
Amazing video! This is another illustration why NDB approaches are so hated :) When I was studying aviation in Switzerland, there was an NDB approach on Bern and instructors loved to take students there. This airport can do with a PAPI approach lights. They can be handy to get some vertical guidance. It can't imagine the same approach done by night with similar weather. Thank you again for sharing with us captain. Your videos are always a great display of professionalism and airmanship.
Excellent! Can't wait for part 2!
Congratulations for your bravery and your steel mind
Спасибо за видео, надеюсь в закромах еще много роликов из S7, которые ждут публикации, в новой авиакомании не узнавали про возможность записи, или там это явно запрещено правилами? и еще интересно узнать, какая часть полета у вас самая любимая, осмотр самолета/подготовка/взлет/сам полет/посадка или когда полет завершен и пора объявлять погоду и разрешать отстегивать ремни?
Я не могу выделить самую любимую часть, иначе остальные обидятся.
Пока вы там заходили на посадку.. Слава Богу я не пассажир в том самолете. А так - красиво, молодцы, ребята!
С ПРАЗДНИКОМ ДЕНИС!!!! Мягких посадок,здоровья,и новых впечатлений!!!
Жаль что многие авиакомпании запрещают снимать и выкладывать видео, смотря видео из кабины пилота ,это будет странно звучать,но хочется летать, хоть и боюсь летать, (не из-за аэрофобии)!!!
Great videos! Keep them coming!
Legend has it they are still trying to land out there somewhere... *looks out in the stars*
To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with the CRM. The training captain is still responsible for the flight even if seated on the right seat. I get about the call outs, however, go arounds are busy procedures and I believe the go around here was done on the proper way. The only thing I would say is that hopefully the captain got authorized by his coworker to upload the video on RUclips, otherwise it could be disrespectful to do it.
Давненько уже ждал GoAround)
Awesome video! very hard not to watch the whole thing! great flying.
Классное видео Денису Сергеевичу респект!! Посмотрел первую часть с интересом. Сейчас буду продолжение смотреть. Кстати, история этой посадки описана в 5 книге Дениса Сергеевича "Небесные истории" Стажёр.
Thanks for a great video and the several lessons we are able to learn from it. I’m curious about the cut at 5:40 since it was just a few seconds lost and I can’t see what would be but understand it was probably edited out that way for a reason. Safe flying!
You can always, go around
If it don't look right coming down,
Don't wait until your sideways maybe sliding upsidedown,
You can always, go around.
I love the Tivat videos!
Говорят, Тиват достаточно сложный аэропорт для захода на посадку, там вроде как направление ветра может меняться. Летал этим летом туда(2019), но полет прошел отлично!
А я смотрел, смотрел это кино до самого конца и так и не дождался, как Денис покажет успешную и мягкую посадку после ухода на второй круг.
так смотрите продолжение
ruclips.net/video/RNlmdpWiDvY/видео.html
на самом интересном месте... )
i exercised this taz ndb approach last week with pa34 but in real with jet it must be much more hard captain.nice vid!
Subscribed. Thanks for the video.
Хорошо сработано Денис.
Спокойно
Денис, вот вы к TAZ подходите по FMC? и на 2600 футов, а потом на руках сами снижаетесь? По расчетной скорости снижения. То есть если не угадали-второй круг. Геморойный этот аэропорт, все с ним парятся. Или даже до тазика руками рулите?
Спасибо за крутейшее видео. Поляризационный фильтр на камеру мне кажется бы в разу улучшил картинку, уменьшил или убрал бы отражения в стекле, Денис, не думали об этом? И возможно УФ фильтр улучшит вид неба.
Молодцы, кто не рискует тот пьёт шампанское, а кто рискует за того пьют молча. Риск должен быть оправдан.
славно сказано! )
Это не риск это Навык Опыт Слетанность Оценка в принятии решении- все это дает результат
Hi bro super video thank you 😍👍
Tivat is really not the place where you want to play around.
Good decision process, and good crm in my opinion.
On my ac, we can make a fms ndb overlay approach, cant fly it vnav, but it much more easy than the basic ndb.
Nice that you answer comments! But one question, why did the autothrottle make so much thrust. I thought you didnt want as much
Sorry, I didn't get you. What moment of the video you are asking about?
Amazing videos! What camera and lense do you use?
Very professional 👍
Денис вы так вздохнули когда ушли на второй я сразу вспомнил свои самостоятельные ))))))))))))🤞🏻
This is a messy cockpit. Training captain created too much noise, thrust to idle on final while speed is low is dangerous, then trainer asked for auto throttle on not knowing it will result in TOGA and having to switch it off again, seemingly surprised the nose pitched up. Nothing is wrong with not being a good trainer. Just fly the line.
Just read the description of the video. Safe flights!
Вы по локалайзеру или NDB заходили? 32я полоса? После missed approach вам обязательно идти на hold на LASTI или вам сразу повторный разрешили? Интересно на больших лайнерах можно стандартный traffic pattern сделать и зайти повторно чтоб не жечь топливо на hold.
Это был заход по NDB на ВПП 32. Посмотрите продолжение видео, там будет как раз про повторный заход:
ruclips.net/video/RNlmdpWiDvY/видео.html
Tivat is a beatiful place
Forget the bad comments concerning the call outs from people who thinks they are the best pilots because they know how to read a manual. Some people here forgot that flying an airplsne is not only "follow checks and callouts" but also ensure a proficient management of the situation, and good comunication with the crew. "Let's do a go around" Its more than enough.
Good video as always. Will keep watching you!
Hi, Ruben! I've got your message which you posted under Stefan williams' thread. But this thread was deleted by him, I think. At least I can not find it. So, you're asking "Denis Okan can you be my flight instructor?" Thanks for this, I was really warmed! I would like to be your instructor, of'course :) Fly Safe!
ОТВЕТИТЬ
Denis Okan haha thanks, I deleted it myself because I though it could sound a little fanboy in the middle of the argument. Ignore the comments saying bad things! I'm a student with just 9h and I wish to be a veteran just like you one day!! Keep doing this fantastic videos! :))
Have a nice and exciting course! Fly Safe!
Dont understand technicalities but good to see someone come ahead & take responsibility.thats called leadership.way to go,in trying times.
you brang the thrust levers to idle in the turn (4:00) ,then added power(4:02), but you didn't get the performance you wanted because of idle thrust(4:01 -4:04) So you added more and by then you are already below Vapp, on your Vref. Thats the reason you got unstable, but you made the right decision to go around. Dont go to idle in a jet on the approach.
Oh! I thought that was because of the gusty winds playing with the speed while I was keeping it within the limits. Thanks for the explanation, dude!
@@DenisOkan I dont get it. They specifically teach you not to be too keen on idle thrust in a jet especially during approach, the spool up time will catch even the best pilots out. if you need less thrust bring it to a little bit above idle. Then aim at the markers. Temporary exceedances -5 +10 to Vapp or whatever your company policy is not a big deal. Don't be afraid to accept criticism
@appleglory firstly, you are wrong about the reason of the go around. It was not the speed. The reason was awareness of having a chance of a low-level wind shear. When you feel a need, a tendecy to fly with a reduced thrust constantly because of the atmosphere conditions which are affecting the IAS, and at the same time you find yourself a bit high on approach, it would be a bad move to dive down trying to catch the profile. Thats why I decided to go around as I felt it could be dangerous to continue in case winds suddenly change. I repeated the approach trying to be more precise with the path and managed to do it.
What experience do you have in aviation?
modern engines are absolutely fine to go idle on approach.
@@tinglydingle look again. It takes 3+seconds for a jet to spool up from idle
Супер как всегда!
как всегда шикарное видео
You can sort of see why the 737s have had many issues during Go-Arounds, nicely handled
Некоторые, интересно, пытались бы сажать...побольше бы таких как Денис
Браво!!! Когда услышал I have comtrol, мне прям поспокойней стало))
Спасибо за прекрасное видео! Скорость конечно гуляет, просто жуть! :) А управление в таких случаях больше не возвращается или после ухода вновь передали для второй попытки захода?
Это зависит от обстоятельств
Денис респект !!!
nice job guys. i'd be comfortable with you fellas piloting my flight.
Go around is a good decision
Nice work with the landing, though I thought the training captain was a tad too much over bearing, thus the captain in training was not able to make decisions himself and as a result not able to fly confidently. He was given no room to breathe. The training captain micro managed everything which led to the poor performance of the captain in training.
My previous airline had a very strict policy of stabilized approaches. We were about to be unstabilized when I had to take over.
Mudassir Khan fully agreed.. the instructor has a real bad form of CRM. Putting your hand on the flap lever as a sign for him to extend the flaps is the worst form of airmanship. The instructor might be an frequent flyer .. he definitely is not a good instructor pilot . Sorry to say. I don’t know the guy, but from what I see here , i wouldn’t be happy to fly with him .
I'm happy I will never fly with you, bro. Your comment is very unprofessional.
@@morry271 he said that to the training pilot? how disgusting..
That was a stupid joke.
Brilliant.
Спасибо за видео 👍✈
Денис, а что если погода и со второго захода не позволяет посадить самолёт, всегда ли остается топоиво для ухода на другой аэродром.
Нельзя выполнять повторный заход в плохую погоду, если топлива после него не хватает для ухода на запасной с хорошей погодой.
привет из Барнаула, подписаны)
Ждем продолжения)))) Круто!