Awesome to hear Doves get a mention - they were my favourite band until I discovered Porcupine Tree (still love them) - and I love that Steven and Tim could appreciate Lost Souls. It has a sound all its own, part northern soul, part cinematic soundscape, part indie rock, drenched in atmosphere.
I'm 51 years old, and 2010, for me, was an important year for The Album, especially in the alternative rock genre. The National (High Violet) Spoon (Transference) are just two examples. These are not debut albums but both propelled these bands into "near" mainstream. Consider exploring 2010. LOVE the Podcast!!!!!!
Glad to see these two giving ‘ KID A ‘ its due respect. Considering Radiohead had gone in a different direction from Ok Computer, I think KID A was exceptional. It was a bold move, but a successful one. Another mark of that excellent, innovative band.
Anyone who loves Broadcast should keep an eye on my uploads, I have lots of rare live footage that is a bitch for me to upload...I only got a few things on so far, but I've found full concerts shot with real camera equipment which I even showed to the band after the show and they were pretty impressed...just sayin'...and hearing Steven Wilson talking about them makes me happy...they were brilliant and spooky, and very nice people. It's so sad it was over so quickly. ruclips.net/video/bkokhcdIHw0/видео.html&ab_channel=X-RoyTube
1 1/2 episodes in did not know this podcast existed and both of you have talked about some of my fave all time artists already so well....loving it....and i look forward to diving into past and future episodes. 👍👍👍 Also loving the fact Steve enjoys some of my fave artists or knows about them well (Sunno, God Speed You! Black Emperor, Goldfrapp, Faust, Iron Maiden etc.)....metalheads take note the man who produced Blackwater Park has opinions and loves alot of different music!!! 👏👏👏 Feels weird to say it but year 2000 feels so old now.... And Broadcast!!!! Love them - they are amazing. Have everything by them.
I admire the fearlessness and comfort with these criticisms of albums I accepted in the vacuum of what was around them. I especially mean this in regards to how hard you were on U2. LOL. My only defense here is that I can hear how Radiohead and moreso, Smashing Pumpkins, influenced some of what I think I hear in this project. The other thing I like about U2 as the go forward from this point through the rest of it, sort of like Neil Finn in this regard: they right lyrics (not Elevation, itself, of course) about what life is like for them at the point - as parents, as people who find out they age and as people who loose close family and friends. Later, Bono has a line that was perfect for 2006: it's you when I look in the mirror; it's you when I don't pick up the phone. Certain things have to happen to you for you to write about that kind of thing. Nothing is ever going to equal Unforgettable Fire, but I don't hate anything after it and I always learn something. Still, don't mind me. This show is fantastic. Keep at it.
My first time listening to the podcast. I know half of these albums, and I'm grateful to discover the other half. Lovely conversation, and great recommendations!! 🙂🙂🙂
Love the new format guys - please keep the show going! Any chance for a 90s one after this (perhaps 91 or 94) ? It’s been a while and your thoughts on mbv, slint, talk talk, portishead and nin have been missed :D
For me there's only one band that imitate the Beatle's way of how progresive you can get when you work hard in your music and that's Radiohead. But it's must said those two bands had an extra member: the record producer.
17:15 I understand what Steven is saying, but to me he is genuinely one of my favorite singers of all time. I just love his tone of voice so much, and it was from the get go, when I first heard a PT song. Such a pleasant and new sounding voice in the "prog" scene I thought. Don't sell yourself short Steven, there are lots of singers that can do all these vocal gymnastics, but YOU have a sound that I think is pretty unique. I've never heard anyone say something nasty about your singing.
Funny how Steven Wilson has not listened to Standing On the Shoulder of Giants by Oasis and he worked with Mark Feltham and Paul Stacey on To The Bone (specifically the title track sounds a lot like 2000s Oasis)
Enjoyed AYs first venture on to RUclips. Can I point out an editing school boy error. The Gas record was displayed while you were talking about Boards of Canada 😮.
I think people were cynical about U2 initially because of Rattle and Hum. I think that’s where the ‘careerist’ allegations came into it. If you watch the movie and listen to the record I do believe it’s U2 being amazed by the music and the country and allowing it to shape their output. They were accused of all kinds of nonsense with Rattle and Hum. The fact that they came from Ireland and all of the geographical, sociopolitical machinations of that meant America was a massive deal for them. R and H and the JT is about the discovery of this other land. It’s about reverence for and exploration of but also criticism of - Bullet the Blue Sky, Mother’s of the Disappeared etc. The real problem with U2 is that they haven’t made a decent album in years. No Line on the Horizon was the last interesting thing they did.
I agree fully with the first part of your post. U2 have always been fans of other artists, and they have done some incredible collaborations with others through the years. I think they were truly enamored by America, the blues, country and gospel. I would say that you should give some proper listening to the last two albums. I like them better than All That and Atomic Bomb. The biggest crime is the Edge not doing what he does best on these albums, but still some great songs.
Great first part! Not counting on it, but it would be crazy to hear them cover Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park, which also released in 2000 (I know it’s not really a genre both of them like, lol 😂).
love the show guys! Surprised you didn't discuss Godspeed You! Black Emperor's Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! which I think is a brilliant record. Also, Lightbulb Sun!!!
I never loved Doves, liked tracks, but it was never enough. As Tim mentioned, their earlier electronic beginning (as Sub Sub) was for me a lot better, albeit, much more limited in releases. I'd definitely be interested in re-investigating Doves in whole. Re: Radiohead, they definite borrow more expertly than others, are more talented than most, and Thom is always searching for the next interesting thing (which maybe why he wouldn't think the "album years" ends at the turn of the century because he's still finding stuff a few months before many others (and in many cases helping these albums to blow up). Never checked out Chris Morris, description sounds quite interesting. Fully agree w/ Steve re: GAS/Wolfgang Voigt. Love Broadcast. Still miss them even though they kind of haven't gone away (loving demos will be released, hating it'll be likely the last we hear from them). Trish is ever so missed. In describing the quality of her voice, they miss the content of her lyrics which fit in any era while the voice harkens to the 50s-60s and as Tim said, the electronics are futuristic. I didn't distrust U2's motives (they're a rock band, c'mon), I just thought they got boring and became the "wallpaper music" Bono used to be famously quoted for saying in interviews before they became the biggest rock band in the world.
From the perspective of doing a side project yes, but somehow sounds more serious than ironic. I mean, songs like miss Sarajevo and blue room are closer to the mood of ATYCLB
Kid A es un fantastico album!! Radiohead es una de mis bandas favoritas; el disco de coldplay esta bastante bien, que bien la mencion de standing on the shoulder de oasis buen album!!
@thealbumyearspodcast Speaking of U2, you have not mentioned the Passengers record, which they made with Brian Eno between Zooropa and Pop. It is their weirdest and most experimental album, featuring some of their most atmospheric and elaborate sonic soundscapes, with the songwriting being particular strong in the first half of the album, with some amazing tracks such as Your Blue Room, Slug, Miss Sarajevo and Beach Sequence (no cheesy Elevation lyrics there!). Highly recommended!
Black Box Recorder, now there's a blast from the past. Will have to listen to them again. The track associated with Billie Eilish is "Child Psychology" from BBR's 1998 album. I love Billie Eilish for things like this. She has also introduced her fans to Catherine Wheel and their lead singer and writer, Rob Dickinson, through her covers of I Want To Touch You and The End of The World (brilliant track). Apparently her parents were big fans of that era of Indie music.
What makes OK Computer so good is the fact it holds more relevance today than it did in 1997. KiD A is the greatest left turn in Music history. That album is a 21st century classic.
Great podcast and enjoyed the thoughtful discussion. I do take exception to one part regarding U2. You said that everyone wanted to be Radiohead and U2 was no exception. I think you have your timeline off. Achtung Baby was released in 1991 and Zooropa in 93, before Radiohead had even released a proper album. What is apparent is that The Bends and Ok Computer were substantially influenced by Achtung and Zooropa.
I totally agree about Radiohead being influenced by U2 on The Bends and OK Computer (which is mentioned at some point in the podcast), but I think it's possible that - in turn - U2 were subsequently inspired by Radiohead's work that was more traditionally 'Rock Quartet' based. Ok Computer was massive and it was difficult to avoid at the time.
Love Radiohead and in-depth Radiohead talk! Oasis - most overrated 90's band Doves - most underrated 90's band. Coldplay - hated the direction they went in after Parachutes. A stunning debut.
I thought Coldplay's first 3 albums were all good, before they went the 'pop' direction. There are a few decent later songs after the first 3, but mostly forgettable.
I thought Kid A was superior to OK computer upon release as well 🎉. I was in the minority at the time 😂. And I loved the Doves album. Knew nothing of Doves at the time and bought the CD from a local shop based on the cover 🎉
@@sidnew2739I listened to them on Spotify. They can be found on other streaming services too I belive. Probably best to check on the old search engine.
What's interesting about Coldplay for me is that I liked them less with every new album, so 'Parachutes' is my favourite. There's great songs on newer albums as well, but the debut album was the strongest overall imo
Good show, nice to have the visuals ... being Irish, I'll chime in too on the U2 piece - I'm not U2s biggest fan but I agree that the lads are way off the mark on this one, as stated in the other comments - this album is the last great U2 record ... oh, and the country is called Ireland, not "Southern Ireland" 😉
Surely it's The Republic Of Ireland? 🙂 I'm a quarter Irish (my grandmother was from County Mayo) and I had an Irish girlfriend for many years, so I've spent a fair bit of time in the country. That doesn't make me an expert on U2, of course.
Send us your album reviews and questions for inclusion on future episodes of The Album Years, we'd love to hear from you! fanlist.com/thealbumyears
steven in his social media popstar icon era
Steven has the youth elixir
Have been an avid listener on Spotify since the beginning, however i'm very much looking forward to watching these two music nerds on video!
Awesome to hear Doves get a mention - they were my favourite band until I discovered Porcupine Tree (still love them) - and I love that Steven and Tim could appreciate Lost Souls. It has a sound all its own, part northern soul, part cinematic soundscape, part indie rock, drenched in atmosphere.
Doves “Lost Souls” is one of my favorite albums from this year, I played that album to death when it came out.
Agreed! Brilliant record! Sea Song!! Geneva 'Weather Underground' too.
can't believe it's been almost 3 years since this podcast started. it's helped me discover so much music, thanks Tim and Steven!
What's the best way to access their content and album lists? They don't have everything on RUclips apparently
Please keep doing the video version of this, its great :)
Hell yeah, great to have this on RUclips, hope this keeps going!
I'm 51 years old, and 2010, for me, was an important year for The Album, especially in the alternative rock genre. The National (High Violet) Spoon (Transference) are just two examples. These are not debut albums but both propelled these bands into "near" mainstream. Consider exploring 2010. LOVE the Podcast!!!!!!
Glad to see these two giving ‘ KID A ‘ its due respect. Considering Radiohead had gone in a different direction from Ok Computer, I think KID A was exceptional. It was a bold move, but a successful one. Another mark of that excellent, innovative band.
The Doves, Radiohead and Broadcast top that bunch for me. The Doves catalog is brilliant Steven, surprised you didn't know them.
Doves is top tier... The layering is immense, Steven would really appreciate the production for sure.
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Doves. Absolute class.
Anyone who loves Broadcast should keep an eye on my uploads, I have lots of rare live footage that is a bitch for me to upload...I only got a few things on so far, but I've found full concerts shot with real camera equipment which I even showed to the band after the show and they were pretty impressed...just sayin'...and hearing Steven Wilson talking about them makes me happy...they were brilliant and spooky, and very nice people. It's so sad it was over so quickly.
ruclips.net/video/bkokhcdIHw0/видео.html&ab_channel=X-RoyTube
I love this RUclips video. Big fan of the podcasts but this is even better and very well produced too.
1 1/2 episodes in did not know this podcast existed and both of you have talked about some of my fave all time artists already so well....loving it....and i look forward to diving into past and future episodes. 👍👍👍
Also loving the fact Steve enjoys some of my fave artists or knows about them well (Sunno, God Speed You! Black Emperor, Goldfrapp, Faust, Iron Maiden etc.)....metalheads take note the man who produced Blackwater Park has opinions and loves alot of different music!!! 👏👏👏
Feels weird to say it but year 2000 feels so old now....
And Broadcast!!!! Love them - they are amazing. Have everything by them.
I admire the fearlessness and comfort with these criticisms of albums I accepted in the vacuum of what was around them. I especially mean this in regards to how hard you were on U2. LOL. My only defense here is that I can hear how Radiohead and moreso, Smashing Pumpkins, influenced some of what I think I hear in this project. The other thing I like about U2 as the go forward from this point through the rest of it, sort of like Neil Finn in this regard: they right lyrics (not Elevation, itself, of course) about what life is like for them at the point - as parents, as people who find out they age and as people who loose close family and friends. Later, Bono has a line that was perfect for 2006: it's you when I look in the mirror; it's you when I don't pick up the phone. Certain things have to happen to you for you to write about that kind of thing. Nothing is ever going to equal Unforgettable Fire, but I don't hate anything after it and I always learn something. Still, don't mind me. This show is fantastic. Keep at it.
I can listen to the Radiohead analysis for hours more. Wonderful job! More RH please - breakdown How to Disappear Completely...
This is better than the telly! 👍
definitely would love to hear more about how your own music fit into the picture
I think this podcast is going to lead to a lot of purchases😂
I hope they'll talk about Ulver's Perdition City in the next episode
Great podcast. I compiled an 'Album Years 2000 playlist' on Spotify to go along with this
My first time listening to the podcast. I know half of these albums, and I'm grateful to discover the other half. Lovely conversation, and great recommendations!! 🙂🙂🙂
Love the new format guys - please keep the show going!
Any chance for a 90s one after this (perhaps 91 or 94) ? It’s been a while and your thoughts on mbv, slint, talk talk, portishead and nin have been missed :D
Wow! Look at you, literally! Love it
Another brilliant show and really happy these episodes are coming out regularly now. And delighted The Strawbs got a mention!
Love to see ! A pity however how it ends… when is part 2 coming??
Recently the Podcasts have been weekly and posted on a Tuesday late in the day.
I LOVE this podcast, I really hope you keep doing this on video. Thank you very much for all the music you have recommended!! 😃
Wow! You included Broadcast and Gas with Radiohead, Oasis, U2, and Coldplay. I'm on board.
Next level album years! Been listening since pod 1 and LOVE this evolution. Thank you for continuing to feed our musical XP with your experiences!
Excellent video production values, chaps... although I'd expect nothing less from you two 😉
I’m so excited to SEE you guys talk!
Radiohead were always way ahead of everybody else.
Except creep
For me there's only one band that imitate the Beatle's way of how progresive you can get when you work hard in your music and that's Radiohead.
But it's must said those two bands had an extra member: the record producer.
Wasn't aware of a podcast on Spotify so I shall be giving those a listen. Very pleased Chris Morris got a mention. I look forward to hearing more
Thanks for this!!!
So happy to hear Steven namecheck Orville the Duck, proper bucket list moment that 😄
17:15 I understand what Steven is saying, but to me he is genuinely one of my favorite singers of all time. I just love his tone of voice so much, and it was from the get go, when I first heard a PT song. Such a pleasant and new sounding voice in the "prog" scene I thought. Don't sell yourself short Steven, there are lots of singers that can do all these vocal gymnastics, but YOU have a sound that I think is pretty unique. I've never heard anyone say something nasty about your singing.
What a treat! Thanks for this
Subscribed. ❤
Im very glad for u to upload the whole episode for free
please, more on RUclips!
I was fine with the podcast... handy to listen to while driving. But it's great to to hang out with Tim and Steven.
So glad youre doing with video now. Thank you both for the great music and for always helping me discover or rediscover great music. Cheers 🍻
excelent episode!
Funny how Steven Wilson has not listened to Standing On the Shoulder of Giants by Oasis and he worked with Mark Feltham and Paul Stacey on To The Bone (specifically the title track sounds a lot like 2000s Oasis)
Been a massive fan of the podcast, so I'm stoked for this to be on RUclips now. Awesome!
Best podcast! And great to see a video of it
Well, this is exciting.
Really digging the video after all this time! Except that I'm not hearing the audio in Dolby Atmos. C'mon Steven!
Enjoyed AYs first venture on to RUclips. Can I point out an editing school boy error. The Gas record was displayed while you were talking about Boards of Canada 😮.
A British-centric group of albums on this episode, even more than usual! Great to have the visual version option!
Cool to have these great convo’s on YT
Very good show chaps.
Finally with visuals! After 30 years I learned how to pronounce Autechre which I was doing wrong all this time. I hope they do it correct.
Stephen’s remix of The Manics’ ‘1985’ is my song of this year. Tremendous.
Just discovered this. Brilliant.
I think people were cynical about U2 initially because of Rattle and Hum. I think that’s where the ‘careerist’ allegations came into it. If you watch the movie and listen to the record I do believe it’s U2 being amazed by the music and the country and allowing it to shape their output. They were accused of all kinds of nonsense with Rattle and Hum. The fact that they came from Ireland and all of the geographical, sociopolitical machinations of that meant America was a massive deal for them. R and H and the JT is about the discovery of this other land. It’s about reverence for and exploration of but also criticism of - Bullet the Blue Sky, Mother’s of the Disappeared etc. The real problem with U2 is that they haven’t made a decent album in years. No Line on the Horizon was the last interesting thing they did.
I agree fully with the first part of your post. U2 have always been fans of other artists, and they have done some incredible collaborations with others through the years. I think they were truly enamored by America, the blues, country and gospel.
I would say that you should give some proper listening to the last two albums. I like them better than All That and Atomic Bomb. The biggest crime is the Edge not doing what he does best on these albums, but still some great songs.
Atomic Bomb is a perfect album
Talking about Broadcast, me thinks the first mention of Saint Etienne? which is kinda cool since Saint Etienne is one of my personal faves.
Great first part! Not counting on it, but it would be crazy to hear them cover Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park, which also released in 2000 (I know it’s not really a genre both of them like, lol 😂).
love the show guys! Surprised you didn't discuss Godspeed You! Black Emperor's Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven! which I think is a brilliant record. Also, Lightbulb Sun!!!
shame on me - didn't realize there was a part 2 lol - more to watch and listen to for me! Thanks guys!
The new start with my birth year
Encuentro muchas similitudes con radiohead y con la musica de Steven a nivel de evolución musical, maravillosos ambos!!
U2's ATYCLB is huge. Steven's right about Elevation but songs like In a Little While and Wild Honey are just perfect.
I absolutely love you guys
Thumbs through the roof for Tim's mention of 'retro-futurism'!
Thanks for the tip on Gas!
I think the Wolfgang Voigt Gas quote is wanting to “bring the forest to the disco, or vice-versa”.
I never loved Doves, liked tracks, but it was never enough. As Tim mentioned, their earlier electronic beginning (as Sub Sub) was for me a lot better, albeit, much more limited in releases. I'd definitely be interested in re-investigating Doves in whole. Re: Radiohead, they definite borrow more expertly than others, are more talented than most, and Thom is always searching for the next interesting thing (which maybe why he wouldn't think the "album years" ends at the turn of the century because he's still finding stuff a few months before many others (and in many cases helping these albums to blow up). Never checked out Chris Morris, description sounds quite interesting. Fully agree w/ Steve re: GAS/Wolfgang Voigt. Love Broadcast. Still miss them even though they kind of haven't gone away (loving demos will be released, hating it'll be likely the last we hear from them). Trish is ever so missed. In describing the quality of her voice, they miss the content of her lyrics which fit in any era while the voice harkens to the 50s-60s and as Tim said, the electronics are futuristic. I didn't distrust U2's motives (they're a rock band, c'mon), I just thought they got boring and became the "wallpaper music" Bono used to be famously quoted for saying in interviews before they became the biggest rock band in the world.
An episode on grunge would be amazing❤
Thank you
Passengers was possibly the other experimental U2 album Steven was thinking of?
From the perspective of doing a side project yes, but somehow sounds more serious than ironic. I mean, songs like miss Sarajevo and blue room are closer to the mood of ATYCLB
Kid A es un fantastico album!! Radiohead es una de mis bandas favoritas; el disco de coldplay esta bastante bien, que bien la mencion de standing on the shoulder de oasis buen album!!
Excelente y con subtitulos en español!!👏👏
Please do Soundgarden!
@thealbumyearspodcast Speaking of U2, you have not mentioned the Passengers record, which they made with Brian Eno between Zooropa and Pop. It is their weirdest and most experimental album, featuring some of their most atmospheric and elaborate sonic soundscapes, with the songwriting being particular strong in the first half of the album, with some amazing tracks such as Your Blue Room, Slug, Miss Sarajevo and Beach Sequence (no cheesy Elevation lyrics there!). Highly recommended!
THE SMILE 🎉
Spotify and these two blocks are the best way to discover new names.
You meant "blokes", right? Lol
T9
nice
Love the video look😂😂😂
Black Box Recorder, now there's a blast from the past. Will have to listen to them again.
The track associated with Billie Eilish is "Child Psychology" from BBR's 1998 album.
I love Billie Eilish for things like this. She has also introduced her fans to Catherine Wheel and their lead singer and writer, Rob Dickinson, through her covers of I Want To Touch You and The End of The World (brilliant track). Apparently her parents were big fans of that era of Indie music.
keep working
Why is SW's mic so much louder than TB's? Revenge for the interruption editing?
just might be, lol
I’ve struggled to engage with this episode… I haven’t been a fan of any of these artists but I will listen and rewatch.
Best music show on you tube 🤗
What makes OK Computer so good is the fact it holds more relevance today than it did in 1997.
KiD A is the greatest left turn in Music history. That album is a 21st century classic.
I think Talk Talk making The Colour of Spring is a much bigger left turn
I think you guys should do MOR stuff with a slight rock slant like Cutting Crew,Mr Mister and Foreigner from the 80s .
Gas sounds like i've one in ear in a pond and the other pointed up into the trees.
Great podcast and enjoyed the thoughtful discussion. I do take exception to one part regarding U2. You said that everyone wanted to be Radiohead and U2 was no exception.
I think you have your timeline off. Achtung Baby was released in 1991 and Zooropa in 93, before Radiohead had even released a proper album.
What is apparent is that The Bends and Ok Computer were substantially influenced by Achtung and Zooropa.
I totally agree about Radiohead being influenced by U2 on The Bends and OK Computer (which is mentioned at some point in the podcast), but I think it's possible that - in turn - U2 were subsequently inspired by Radiohead's work that was more traditionally 'Rock Quartet' based. Ok Computer was massive and it was difficult to avoid at the time.
Love Radiohead and in-depth Radiohead talk!
Oasis - most overrated 90's band
Doves - most underrated 90's band.
Coldplay - hated the direction they went in after Parachutes. A stunning debut.
Based 👍
I thought Coldplay's first 3 albums were all good, before they went the 'pop' direction. There are a few decent later songs after the first 3, but mostly forgettable.
How about y’all’s albums?
Steven was constantly interrupting during the conversation but the humour is epic.
Where are the other year episodes?
Hi guys, did Steven notice the similarity between Sea Song by Doves and Drown With Me? 😁
La musica shoegaze tambien es una musica fantastica
I thought Kid A was superior to OK computer upon release as well 🎉. I was in the minority at the time 😂. And I loved the Doves album. Knew nothing of Doves at the time and bought the CD from a local shop based on the cover 🎉
Steven Wilson summed up Kid A perfectly.
Didn't they make a bunch more of these?
Where are they?
This is the first video episode of it, but there’s a good amount of audio only ones on the podcast feed
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Thanks. Where can I find it?
@@sidnew2739I listened to them on Spotify. They can be found on other streaming services too I belive. Probably best to check on the old search engine.
spotify, apple podcasts
White Pony by Deftones was an amazing album that year. Surprised they didn't discuss it.
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Tim's edits are so good!
What's interesting about Coldplay for me is that I liked them less with every new album, so 'Parachutes' is my favourite. There's great songs on newer albums as well, but the debut album was the strongest overall imo
Good show, nice to have the visuals ... being Irish, I'll chime in too on the U2 piece - I'm not U2s biggest fan but I agree that the lads are way off the mark on this one, as stated in the other comments - this album is the last great U2 record ... oh, and the country is called Ireland, not "Southern Ireland" 😉
Surely it's The Republic Of Ireland? 🙂 I'm a quarter Irish (my grandmother was from County Mayo) and I had an Irish girlfriend for many years, so I've spent a fair bit of time in the country. That doesn't make me an expert on U2, of course.
Not the debut album from Broadcast.