Rose Anvil RESPONSE VIDEO: Is the Alden Indy Overpriced?
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All disagreements aside, I appreciate you taking the time to take a half decent screenshot of me unlike that jerk @stridewise
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I think the important distinction is that Rose Anvil isn’t coming at it from a luxury perspective, it’s more of an issue of is the product you receive made as well as it could be for the price point. I don’t think that anyone could argue that the Indy boot is a less handsome boot than the Iron Ranger, but from the perspective of is this the best product it could be on a construction level, he’s clearly not wrong
EXACTLY AND THE METERIALS USED
literally alden using leather board js fugging disgusting at the price point AT THE POINT JUST BUY ALLENNNN EDMONDS! They have service boots too
This is NOT a what luxury is about typa discussion, this is about MATERIALS used
Dude, the Iron Ranger is a more handsome boot only if you are actively trying to cosplay a Canadian logger (all due respect to the real loggers). For any other person living in an urban environment, working at an office with any degree of responsibility, the Indy boot is the correct answer, thank you very much. The Indy, while overpriced, does accomplish things the Iron Ranger or any other overspecced boot wont. Its all about context of usage.
@@luissol at that point get Thursdays? Seriously zero reason to buy aldens especially the TRASHHH materials used, leather board at that price point SHOULD be mocked and shamed especially ALDEN doing it of all companies. Seriously gross behaviour
I know maybe it's cause they're losing business? But how? When indiana Jones made them popular? They KNOW what they're doing wrong and it's sick practices trying to make margins cheaper
It is trash bruh, 600 bucks for leather board, OH WHATS THIS?! ALLEN EDMONDS HIGGINS MILL? Leather znd dainite soles? don't MIND IF I DO 💀 AND WOW NO LEATHER BOARD! Fugk that! Allen Edmonds goddam give a sh!t and are CHEAPER TOO 😮😮😮😮
@@luissol I agree. The Iron Ranger isn’t in the same league as the Alden Indy in terms of comfort. The Trubalance last is very unique. IR might be sexier than the Indy but it’s about comfort.
@@luissol based on this logic, thursday boots are the best boot on the market. Equal quality of product with half the cost….
My first boot was indy but after getting grant stone and red wing, am never going back to alden. It is a good shoe company but price just can't justify their quality.
Rose kept it real and I appreciate it. His gripes were spot on. These boots just don't make sense.
Very good video. I feel blessed with every pair of Alden boots and it's my "go to boot" to wear. I also appreciate my Whites Steven's boot and know this boot is a superior build.
The other thing I've noticed with "Made in America" goods is that they are actually overpriced. There literally is no reason for any shirt to cost $300. That's just fleecing the well intentioned Americans who want to support American companies.
Usually they overcharge for stuff like flannels, not fleece....
Can’t take care of a family in America on 3rd world sweatshop salaries.
The cost of labor is a lot higher. That's what you are paying for. Even in China when you buy from an ethical company who actually does qc, you pay more for that. So a 6 dollar shirt turns into 30ish in China. Id still buy the 30 mic shirt over the 6 dollar shirt.
@@thighrannosauruswrex if you're paying $300 for a t-shirt you're you're not paying that much labor costs. You're paying for branding.
There are numerous American companies you can buy clothes from for around the same price as foreign made Levi's, Carhartt, RL, etc... American Giant, Origin Maine, Detroit Denim, AACC are all reasonably priced. $300 American made shirts are either buying a name or made in a very small shop. One he mentioned, Grease Point, is 3 people and made to order. The owner is one of those 3 people making stuff. Look around and you'll find others.
The one thing Alden should be careful about is resting on their laurels and not changing enough with the times. Nobody thought Sears was going to go out of business until they actually were going downhill, and they never adjusted fast enough to avoid their end. There's a reason traditionally work boot and work shoe companies like Nick's and White's have started making dressier and more fashion-forward boots and shoes. Younger and people new to this type of footwear are going to see Weston's video, and how many will pivot from thinking about picking up a pair of Alden to something from White's instead?
I agree a lot of the personal valuation is subjective; if someone likes the history, the designs, the lasts, and other things associated with Alden, it's understandable they're worth it rather than getting a less expensive imitation or homage from a different company. But Alden has to be wary about trying to expand their customer base with younger generations rather than only depending on their current customers who may eventually age out of consistently purchasing more Aldens.
Honestly, I think one of those laurels is the proprietary Trubalance last.
I'd argue that a Red Wing Iron Ranger or Moc Toe is built with better materials at a lower price. Even moreso with White's Perrys, Rancourts, or JK 300s.
The upper on the red boot Rose Anvil reviewed was painted. Just woeful.
Glock is abt to find that same thing out. They’ve stuck with the same for so long with very little changes that people are now starting to leave them behind. Just like the Indy they have a big fanboy club but nowadays there’s better for the money.
I agree with Rose Anvil. The material don't justify the high cost.
Rose Anvil has no sense of style.
yeah, very overpriced
Thanks for keeping it real, can't wait for your review on the garnet boots.
I have a 2001 Cherokee...about as all-American as it gets...and it has a Toyota transmission, and that’s the OEM stock transmission. So, yes, Dale is correct. 100% American is rare, even in the most American of products.
You are lucky to have that transmission! Its actually one of the best in the world! Cheers
@@BabakPA Thank you! Yes…270k miles on the clock and still going strong on that rig.
Thank you for your video, really appreciate your time.
I have to agree with Rose Anvil as someone who has dissected tonnes of boots and shoes. I am saving afew months to get a pair of Indy Boots, I decided to get the Red Wing Classic Chelsea instead.
I appreciate the sharing of opinions. That's how knowledge gets shared! 👍
Very thorough. Informative. Thank you. The Alden Indy uses a nice handsome dressy last. I also like the more sensible Grant Stone Brass Boot. Although im not a big fan of the lug sole.
Agree that there is an honest use case for leatherboard, and this is a design decision. However, it SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper material than any true leather, and that cost of material should be reflected in pricing.
Great video :) I have both alden and grant stone. Just hopped on the diesel garnet pre order instead of waiting for cigar shell indy.
Good video, Dale. I've never bought Aldens, but from what I've seen of them I agree with you 100%.
I saw online a alternative to the classic Alden Indy boot. They are Made by Wested (They made the Indy jackets in the movies) their adventurer boot costs around 200$. Obviously they cant have the same quality as a real Alden but it would be cool comparison beacuse if you Just take 1 look at it they are very similar
So quick point here. That Alden 405 leather is different from what they are using now. It had like a orange-y shade to it and now it's more more brownish.
If your telling me $610 boot is actually valued at $400 I’m taking the red wings every time
It's like comparing a wool sport to a Carhart work jacket. Which one's tougher? lol...
@@seppukusushi2848No, you can compare Grant Stone to Alden. Better quality components and construction at half the price. In the same style of boot. It's not a defense when even Thursday uses better components at half the price, when they market themselves for comfort.
I'm so jealous of your collection behind you
haha you're quickly catching up Phil!!!!
great points. the whole made in america thing is fraught with pitfalls. America is amazing, yes. People all over the world also have great skills and craftmanship that we can all benefit from. Again, great video by you and Rose Anvil.
I wonder if people around the world see “made in USA” and think less of it. We’ve certainly made some great stuff ie old school Stanley & craftsman tools. We’ve made some real trash and used the “made in USA” label to justify lots of junk too though. I too want to support craftsmen and good companies as much as I can afford to do so. I can’t ignore good quality or great customer service though just to get some feel good tokens that won’t pay my bills or matter to anyone else in anyway that matters. I’m so glad that you and Rose Anvil are giving real reviews with some decunstructions to expose corner cutting. I’m here watching from his post suggesting people come see your viewpoint. We need more of this. Thanks. Rant over😅
I grew up in Mexico right across the border and I can tell you as a foreigner, and specifically a Mexican which is a big market for USA exports, the “made in USA” does not have the same tone now that it had when I was a kid and my father used to revere USA made goods and without too much desertion, the overall notion was: it’s made in America, it’s good.
Sadly times have changed many great American manufacturers have left to produce cheaper and lost control over quality control followed by drop in quality itself and as some manufacturers keep the made in America pride still, there are some others (Alden apparently) that consider that because it’s made in USA you can make anything, with whatever level of quality and whichever cheap materials you find and deserves a higher price. I don’t agree that because it’s made in USA it should be more expensive if the quality is not there 🤷🏻♂️ for quality products 100% I’m ranting while drinking from my Stanley cup and wearing whites so… MERICA!?
@@CarlosValentor thanks for the perspective
Just wondering how much did the name association of Indiana Jones help Alden stay in business? And without it, how much would they charge for their boots? I understand everyday people pay extra for the names. But as far as quality, material, and craftsmanship is concern, are these Alden Indy worth their price? I am new to this "boot hobby", so it's my sincere curiosity asking the question.
A very good question, I think they definitely love having Indy as a brand ambassador as Omega loves 007 haha, and has likely brought in tons of business for Alden
Maybe some, but Alden does more than just the "Indy" boot. They make tons of dress shoe styles that are iconic and that really don't have any/many competitors for.
@@vezonf3nraknobody ever heard of any others but the Indy’s unless you’re a fanboy.
@@jimmylarge1148 You've never heard of the 975?
@@vezonf3nrak no sir. Never heard of them. Never seen a vid abt them. Never heard anyone say anything abt Alden that wasn’t abt the Indy
I really like indy last and i love the look of the patina they get klondike leather that is super hiped that is found in Redwings 2015 huntsmanboot is also leather that has that painted layer over it that gets scrached away and gets them looking great. Thought in that case it is tougher layer i belive. That being said few pares i handeld and tryed from Alden didn't get me to pull the trigger. I felt underwhelmed about details they had off. Interesting thing is that split leather insole seems to be softer and that is a great element for comfortable boot that maybe is comming from theyer orthopedic roots. My MTO Meermins have it as well and it is so comfortable and less slippery than full grain ones in my Redwings and Grantstones.
man, thank you very very much for your very informative. in-depth talk about the Aldin Indy
i am a big time boot guy too,
you have made me want a pair
great job. kevin
The leather on your 405s looks great. It looks so different from the 405 Rose Anvil cut up. I wonder if they changed in the time since your purchase?
The 405 has seen a lot of changes with its colors over the years since around the time Last Crusade came out. There was also a situation a couple years ago when the 405s were a pumpkin brown instead.
Yes I’m gathering the leather has changed in recent years, which I heard something about on Instagram but I don’t know the specifics
Great video Dale! Thank you
I mean… mine don’t even look like the ones he chopped in half- I tried the flame test too. 100% CXL 😂
Spot on, as usual. I do think the calculus changes with Alden’s dressier boots and especially dress shoes. I’m a physician, on my feet for long stretches rounding in the hospital, doing procedures (often in 20lbs of lead), seeing patients in the office. Aldens are near perfect for my use case. IMO they’re dressy enough for the office, supportive enough for standing, not too fancy for scrubs. There isn’t a lot of competition in this space. Aldens are exactly as inappropriate to fight fire as White’s Smokejumpers are in a sport coat and tie.
That steel shank provides great support, as does the heel cup
It’s interesting that you mention that Alden increase their prices every year. I noticed that here in the UK Trickers and Crockett & Jones increase their prices year on year for some of their best sellers .
Maybe in the future Alden will move to China too..
The gravy days of moving to China are over.
My main wearing boots are Alden’s, Whites, and Viberg, now I have no doubt that the Whites and Viberg’s are objectively a better boot, the Alden’s are beautiful, functional and comfortable but my beef with them is the lace way, they all have too much material in the upper and they lace totally together. I won’t pay more than $600 or more for Alden
Ur so rich…..
I agree with Rose anvil. The materials don't justify the cost. The mystique and brand is what they are selling. You held up an Ottawa from grant stone with the same aesthetic with all leather. I know it's Chinese made. But point is that boot would probably still be cheaper than Alden if it was made in the US but would be all leather.
It would not be cheaper
@@Milleniumgamer2000 Not much cheaper at least. My guess it would be around the Oak Street and Truman price range.
Minimum wage is $14.25 in Massachusetts - where Alden is made. What does Grant Stone pay for their labour?
@@RacksonRacksonRibss Nick's makes twice the boot for less cost and they pay their workers a high wage.
I’m all with you on the quality of the Ottawa in comparison, but that seam down the middle of the toes is HIDEOUS. What were they thinking?
I felt personally attacked wearing my cheap Chinese wrangler button up and stretch fit wrangler khakis while looking down at my $300.00 Redwing 1907's but to be fair they are the only shoes I've had to buy for myself in 5 years and still haven't popped a stitch yet. I keep them oiled and I think I've got another year before my first resolve.
I love my Alden 403’s. I can’t completely disagree with Rose Anvil, and in his defense he really focuses on the materials used. I will agree given the lesser quality materials they are over priced now. I bought mine about 5 years ago for around $560 or so, now they’ve crept over $600 which would be understandable if they were using better materials in the construction. With that said, I love the way they fit, and the quality has held up for me. Either way it’s all about what you want. I’d most likely buy another pair in the future but I’d say they’re really about a $500 boot. Cheers from Harford County MD man! Love the channel. I agree with Grant Stone being great, I just got a pair of brass boots and I like them a lot so far, high quality.
That’s awesome! You’re not far from me!
Small world man!
Dale you made a lot of good points - but what advice would you give to someone that doesn’t own any Alden boots? Would you recommend still buying a pair? Just to have the Alden/Trubalance/Neocork experience? Would you recommend the possibly heavily pigmented 405s, or 403s instead? Or perhaps one of the other more special makeups?
William at Bootspy gave a pretty glowing review of his 405s in a recent video.
Personally I'd say don't buy them new. If you're patient enough and check ebay/grailed once or so a week you can usually find these kinds of boots popping up pretty frequently in almost new conditions for about half the price of retail. Hell that's how I got my Indys for my birthday.
Also you can sign up for access to Factory Seconds at TheShoeMart
I will always recommend Alden as they are one of my true first boot loves and I still wear them still find them comfortable. I recommend having some Alden in any man's rotation for sure! that said, I think I'd fill out most of my rotation with other brands too and not stick exclusively to Alden
No reason to buy Alden unless you need a dress boot that you aren't going to wear outside the office.
Do you think that Trickers use full grain leather on the heel stack ?
Or do you think even Trickers cut corners and use leather board in their boots ?
It’s a shame if they do.
Agree with everything said. As an owner of about half a dozen Alden boots and shoes, I was disappointed to see these teardown reviews. I did expect better. I will say however, that their last designs and lining make them my most comfortable of all my boots. The construction hasnt let me down yet, but yes I expected more under the hood for the price. I would guess that their distribution model is also what drives the price up. Squeezing in an upmarket middleman probably has its impact versus the bulk of the direct to consumer makers. For now, I am going to continue to enjoy the comfort and good looks of my Aldens, but will think twice about anymore. Have some Parkhurst Niagaras on order and will be curious to see the compare to the Indy. Also looking to give a try to some Rancourts and Oak Streets.
Thanks for your detailed feedback sir!!! Agreed, Alden has excellent lasts and are SUPER comfortable , but yes you can always find other options for less money with upgraded components
@@DalesLeatherworks Thanks for your reviews. 2 of the 3 boots I have on order are from your reviews (the navy Parkhursts and the garnet shell GSs). The third are the Truman yearly chukka MTO. I have enough Trumans, but I am a sucker for some of the leathers they throw into that yearly MTO.
Damn you’re rich too
In today's boots marketplace (all the brands, different countries of origin, custom options, M2M, etc.) the materials just don't justify the cost and you're just paying for the name. And to your question almost all my clothing minus my underwear is made in the USA. But there are plenty of countries who make great products. Grant Stone is a perfect example
I bought a lot of Alden’s in the late 2000s, early 2010s, but haven’t bought any since. However, I did the math on the prices for Alden shoes from around when I was buying their shoes and now and they really haven’t increased the prices all that much over inflation. I guess based on that, they’ve always been pretty expensive for what they are. On the other hand, their business model has kept them alive and it doesn’t seem that they have any trouble selling their shoes (and supply seems to meet demand), so it’s hard to argue with what they’re doing.
Alden are very over priced & construction is now compromised,Rose Anvil did a great job in exposing the real truth about the buisness model.Enjoyed your video & your perspective you made some very good points.
Great video. I’m a happy owner of two pairs of 405’s, but I too agreed with the concerns from Rose Anvil. I also found my second pair had so many quality control issues, that I would not buy another pair. I will however wear them with pride and enjoy them for the incredible comfort and beautiful style.
That was really well said! 👍 I think your take on RA's review highlighted the nuance of boot/shoe collecting, which can't really be captured on a stat sheet. People who are up in arms are probably thinking with their hearts, while RA was only thinking with his head; you seemed to straddle both, heart and head, which I think provided a much more complete view of the Alden Indy. Thank you for your pragmatic and well balanced take on this firestorm!
Btw, you are smart to remind us to "thumbs up!" as us viewers may have a hundred other things going on while we consume your content; personally, I was wrangling two toddlers while watching the video and until you said it, I'd not pressed the button... It's not tacky to remind us, especially when done as thoughtfully as you did it.
Thanks so much for this thoughtful feedback and so glad the thumbs up reminder helped you out!!! I can definitely relate to juggling toddlers haha!
This dustup just moved me to Indonesian hand-welted boots.
Also to be fair about price hikes, I’ve noticed Grant Stone’s prices slowly creeping up. In a few years I expect they’ll be over $400
And they're still a superior boot so I really wouldn't mind
@@antonioruiz8506 of course i agree, just making that point
price hikes are inevitable, what matters is how often and how much you hike the price.. $20 odd dollars every year is too much for a boot that already costs twice as much as it should.
@@antonioruiz8506 Beware of the Chinese practice of "quality fade." Not saying it'll happen, but it does happen a lot with Chinese goods.
I have a pair of chrome XL Alden’s since 2012 and they are great the leather is thick and fantastic and has darkened and has developed a nice patina over the years . I do think RedWing does a better job with the lower portion of boots but the upper on my Alden’s are amazing and much better than RedWing leather and I like the leather liner . I’m still a fan of RedWing leather though .
Amazingly, in the 49 minute video you failed to mention the advantages of Alden's venerable lasts in terms of fitment for many foot types and in a large variety of widths. But I realize it takes a full hour for you to really get a commentary video off the ground... 😆
Loved it!
(And loved the not-so-inconspicuous dubs toward the end too, haha)
great point, Alden could certainly save $ and lower costs by streamlining size variations
American companies are not paying a living wage, I guarantee you walk into most factories you will see immigrant workers on USA assembly lines. The extra money is going to executives and owners, not low level workers.
that thumbs up thing work I legit was kind of just running in the background listening and wasn't even thinking about that until you mentioned it.
$500k annual income here. Those Alden boots give me pause. Not because I can’t afford them, but because they seem like a price gouge! 😂
These boots are the same price as my builder pro that are American made. The difference in quality is crazy!
definitely!! different purposes but yes overall the builder pros are made with better materials
I love my Indys but don't understand the defense of fiberboard in a $600 shoe. I know it probably performs fine comfort-wise, but seems like every time they resole an Alden, it flakes apart into papery layers. I got cheap Allen Edmonds "voyager" shoes for $100, and when it wore out I took it apart and noticed they used real leather in the midsole that was in great shape despite three years of heavy wear. I've found American companies refuse to do "continuous improvement" in their products as long as sale are brisk. Why improve quality when buyers snag their products off the shelf? Short sighted business philosophy.
yeah man watching Aldens get resoled is an eye opening experience, something you never know until you cut into the boots and see what's on the inside!!! I definitely didn't like finding paper-like material in there haha
I have a pair of Alden Indys in shell, and I love them. I'm very happy that I bought them. Overpriced? Maybe, but guys at work can spend $45-50K on a new truck. I'll drive my 22 yr old Chevy with Aldens on my feet.
A Man of Taste.
This video has a lot of great points and examinations of the Indy, def earned a subscribe. That said, the end points: my opinion doesn’t matter, Alden doesn’t care what I say or what the internet says, is kinda unacceptable. I understand that companies shouldn’t just pivot their entire operation based upon 1 or even 1000 Reddit posts. The way you make it sound - and what appears to be the truth about Alden as a company - is that they don’t care about their customers opinions. To not care what reviewers and interested parties think makes them a bad company from my perspective. Combine those over the top prices with the former leaderships embezzling and I feel there’s a pretty fair picture painted of a company thats making money at the expense of its fans. I think what’s truly keeping Alden alive is the mysticism of their movie ties, and the lore of them surviving the depression, not the quality of their goods or the experience those goods offer….i am more curious than ever to get a pair of these, JUST to see how disappointing they really are 😅
Very well made points my friend and thank you for subscribing!!!
Totally agree if you enjoy them then they are worth it I have natural shell cordovan viberg boots most would never because people believe it's overpriced and I love my mavado watch which a lot of people hate in the watch community
But to me they are worth the price
Edit really enjoyed this video and with what you said I agree
Nice review; consider the true cost of manufacturing (for each), probably almost similar; so the companies most important factor is the profit margin, where at a minimum of 200%. For the customer, the two factors should be quality and cost, thus “made in America” is just a subliminal message of “not mass produced” and “the company is not acquiring a gross profit margin. Therefore everything usually balances with style and and traditionalism at the opposite end of cost and volume.
When broken in, are the 405s as comfortable as I've heard?
Yes even more so
For the price of an Alden I'll stick to Nick's, JK, White's or Wesco. I like their designs better. For dressy I'd do Allen Edmonds, or exotic cowboy boots for less money.
Just my opinion. To many American companies use their historically good name to sell modern inferior goods. They seem to either go to foreign sweat shops or lower their materials cost, usually accompanied with price a hike. I'm personally changing my wardrobe towards all USA made because I actually can.
P.S. my truck engine was built about 30 miles from my house, I have friends that work their. The interior panels were built about 50 miles away and my brother used to work there. The other interior parts were done in Mississippi and the body, frame, drive train and assembly done in Texas. They now build the seats in my hometown but my truck is older than that plant.
Try using wax like obenauf’s on the rough and though, my moc toes got darker and look more like copper. Also made the break in a breeze
I agree 100!! I feel lucky if I can find find American made products in a regular basis! I try to do that at every opportunity! Great point about the last time you wore an entire outfit mad in America! Very difficult to do! It’s just not practical or cost efficient to do that unless you have large amount of discretionary income! Most of us do not!! Great video!!’😊
And the NeoCork outsole is fantastic, I’d say it has better grip on ice than commando soles
Great video brother.
I am a big fan of Alden Indy. They are one of the few boots that are actually offering EEE (extra wide) and they allow enough room for the instep if you have high instep. What makes them worth the price is their unique look. They are very sleek and elegant despite the fact that they are known as workboots. I don't see anything wrong with the upper leather. The calf skin is very supple and have a luxury touch. It would be great if the price was lower and there were more color and leather options available.
I keep hearing this instep word. What exactly it the instep? Excuse my retardation. 😂
You guys don't know expensive.
I just ordered a pair in black for travel as my 405's are the most comfortable boot I own. Try USD 55 for shipping and a horrible exchange rate in Australia. I'm getting them for around AUD 880 but this is still cheaper than buying them from the official Australian stockist (double monk) at AUD 995
Don't buy anything from Double monk. Instead buy directly from manufacturers like Alden, Cheaney, Carmina etc. Considering that there is no footwear culture in Australia., Alden is not a bad choice specially for the Indy boots were comfort and style is well combined. The alternative is a pair of RMW boots approximately 650.00 AUD but they are uncomfortable, and they tend to be narrow even on the wide sizes and no decent shoes whatsoever. It is far better to buy expensive Alden than buying of shelf cheap shoes with artificial leather, poor manufacturing and discomfort. I have also a pair of Alden 901 and they are super comfortable and stylish.
It is genuinely a bummer that the insole is leatherboard instead of veg tanned leather - will this mean that it won’t conform to your foot as much?
Interesting video!
Alden cordavon is my go to.
Try Gustin for jeans they are great Made in Ameica. All my clothes I’m wearing are made in America.
My favorite quote from the video is, "I do have a rather large rotation now, so I'm not wearing these as much as I used to." 🤔🤣 Great video response! 😊👍
😂😂😂Thanks my friend!!!!
I liked this video and the details given at the end. I agree on many levels, but, there’s one problem with the logic of these being dress boots and the applications they’re being used for: the 405s were originally work boots (Alden even called them work boots), for blue collar workers, and as far as anyone can tell, they’ve always been constructed the same and used to cost about half as much, if not a bit less when they were first made. So, with that in mind, it seems that there’s a fault to the logic of why they use the materials they do. Yes, they’re now most definitely on the dress boot/causal style boot spectrum, and everything said makes sense, but that’s now, and not how they were marketed originally. I love the Indys, and I don’t mind the construction, but I do wish they were priced lower, because at $607, I just can’t see myself buying them again, much to my dismay.
I have a pair of 403s and I love them but they’re too damn expensive. Alden can make them better and hopefully they respond by improving materials
Have you tried the Indiana Jones boot made by wested leather co? it is a lot cheaper and as far as I can tell the sole is made out of the same thing but I could be wrong. It just says cork on the sole. They are made in Britain though. I will admit it would be nice to buy things only in the USA but that does not always happen. I do not think any of my footware is made in the USA. I did buy red wings because I was told they were made in the USA but the pair I got says it is made in Vietnam. Right now they are the oldest pair of boots I own and are holding up great.
I have not, I’ll check them out, thanks for the referral!!
Materials and cost aside… that dark colored Alden Indy you have on display just looks sharp as a tack. Ultimately, it’s the look of the boot that people see.
This is the main point people are forgetting. All the boots that everyone is comparing the Indy boots to don't have any classic style. I mean, Whites have their brand name printed on the outside of the boot.
Hi what type boot did Mr Rogers wear, do you know, thanks nice video
Mr Roger’s? He wore Johnson’s Murphy
@DalesLeatherworks thanks, someone also mentioned Sperry boat deck but I thought he wore ankle level shoes
As a non American I take exception to SB Foot leather is a B grade. Not everyone is prancing around in CXL telling everyone how wonderful it is. I’ve used CXL and In six months it looks like poor scuffed up suede leather, where I can beat up most SB Foots offering for over three years. Everything has a price point and purpose. Including the Alden’s.
Allen edmonds gives you the store experience still.
About AE , there normal price for Higgins mill 475.00 , is a bit high thanks to Grant stone diesel boot 380.00 is the
better boot
Their styles are douchey though. Lots of square toes, and youth oriented fashion. Why can't makers stick to masculine classical style?
I'm fortunate enough to have 6 pair of Alden shell shoes, 5 boots and one brogue derby. Three of the boots have out of the box quality issues. Heal blocks pulling away from the outsole is common but my last pair, a cap toe dress boot has a combination dovetail toplift that looks like a hamster cut it out. I really can see where Alden is cutting corners on their outsoles. I think Alden should be embarrassed when a company like GS would not ship a boot in that condition yet their boots are less than half the price of Alden shell. I've been a shoe customer for over 50 years and I have been through Bostonian, Johnston & Murphy, Cole Haan and have watched all of them descend into cheap shoe oblivion. Allen Edmonds was my go to for years but sadly they are becoming the next Cole Haan as their offerings and quality continue to decline. The comparison of Alden with Redwing is totally off base. I have one pair of Redwings and will probably never own another. I will say the same for Wolverines 1000 mile boots. Absolutely nothing to write home about. As far as heritage boots are concerned the sweet spot is in small shops like Oak Street, Nick's, Whites and even GS. I have way more shoes and boots than any one person needs so I am actively resisting going international even thought the quality looks impeccable. My criteria for buying boots is who is building what I would build if I were a boot maker. Where it comes from is no longer a prime consideration.
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Oh man, I used to love Johnston and Murphy. Nicks and Grant Stone are my favorites now, I get Nicks for heavy duty boots and GS for style. I still prefer American made, but I'm done being a sucker.
I DO AGREE
Dale I agree with you 95%…EXCEPT for the part about Red Wing. They make incredible boot leathers. I was recently in a store and got to try on the 8111 Amber Harness…and just found that leather to be incredibly beautiful with a tough/durable feel. The one downside with RW seems to be how many heritage models have been discontinued from years past, that came in some really interesting leathers. I think RW has said the Oro leather only uses Grade A hides. I think a lot of their leather is more in the “oil tanned” category, but yeah to me they are incredibly tough, long lasting, and patina forming. Lots of great examples out there with great patina. I have a 20 year old pair of 404s and they have been put through hell. They aren’t beautiful in the boot enthusiast sense but that’s RW basic work boot leather, they are durable. I love my fancy gyw boots but they would be sooooo beat up if I had put them through what those RW went through. Anyway appreciate your honesty and sharing and making this video. Peace
You’re right, the copper rough and tough is definitely not the best that redwing offers, they have some outstanding other leather options for sure!!! Thanks for this input!!
@@DalesLeatherworks Yeah I have the 8085. It’s good for what it is but it’s definitely a boot for that rugged beat up heritage look. I don’t feel like I can just brush them up and wear them to the office.
My Indy’s I’m pretty sure are Chromexcel leather I believe
Factory Seconds from Alden is the way to go.
Well done. Could not find your insoles on website.
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@@DalesLeatherworks thank you!
Screw Alden and their rare shell game.
Grant stone #1
lol I love seeing your targeted ads, just all leather boots
Love my Aidens!
Misspelled opps
Sun bathe #8 shell for a couple of weeks and Bingo, Cigar Shell Cordovan!
Great video and breakdown. I feel the same, if I could I would buy 100% American if I could. But there are just too many offerings for my budget. I would say I spend more on American products than the average American.
Hi! How about comparing it to allen edmonds Higgin Mills. Nice perspective you on the indy. Thanks
Buy my jeans from Gustin as well as their Ts. Why do I never hear of Rancourts?
So what chance the annual price hikes are to recoup the £30M their previous CFO embezzelled over a decade? - something that they complacently didn't even notice until they wanted to transfer accumulated profit to a Trust fund!
Yeah that’s a crazy story, it very well could be the case
Wasn't it the CFO's wife or girlfriend who actually embezzeled the money?
My take from this video is that redwing make boots and alden make dress shoes that look like boots.
Yeah I assumed the Alden Indy were more work boot than dress shoes. I thought Harrison Ford wore Alden boots while he was a "blue collar" carpenter before he was rich and famous. Considering the Alden construction materials he must've bought new boots every 6-12 months as a carpenter.
Do you know of any of the overseas bootmakers that are or would do a reverse shell boot! That is the boot I’m really interested in! Thanks and love the channel
Any of the Indonesian makers would be happy to accommodate any customizations like this
@@DalesLeatherworks could you link me to some of those please? I know you have experience with them. Which would you recommend most? This is something I have not explored much! Thanks again
I like your reviews and think this one is fair. I do think that the term quality has different connotations for different buyers based on one or more contributing factors: luxurious, excellent craftsmanship, reputation, exclusivity, fit and comfort, and high grade materials, et al, and that viewers, and especially buyers new to boot products use whatever definition they land on as their measurement against price. Videos like yours and Rose Anvil's help give perspective. I appreciated your comment on American made as well. I look at a number of American made brands and prefer to buy from them if they have the product I want, but I don't think it is necessary to sacrifice some aspect of a product that you are investing in if the American products falls short, and at the end of the day, the American made market doesn't always meet the feature demands many buyers want, and that is a decision point for that market, not an indictment of the buyer.
I think that Alden, like Filson and a number of other well-known heritage brands risks losing its clients' goodwill and the market reputation they've built over time but that is a risk that the retail market inflicts on companies that try to grow or are seduced by ready buyers in the investment world.
Your showcases of other brands that are competing and, I think, taking the place as the premier brand for certain styles - example Grant Stone's moc toes, or Truman's creative leathers, are great. You are showing your audience a broad range of options, and among those, at least some will meet the viewers' combination of factors that make a product quality and worth buying. Cheers!
very well said my friend, thanks for your deep insights into the matter!
What do you think of Origin? US-made and well-priced, I have them on my short list.
Haven’t seen those yet I’ll check them out!
More goes into the price of an item than just the materials. For the Alden Indy, it is culturally iconic, beautiful and very comfortable. People will pay for this.
Consumer and reviewer opinion does matter to Alden even if it’s hard to tell. They did get rid of the canvas and synthetic liner and they did get rid of that awful pumpkin brown color. This is my observation form wearing 405s since 2007.
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Rose Anvil told the truth and it's obvious that Alden boots are poor quality for the price. You can't BS your way around that fact. 😂
Is there anyway, you could do a review on " Cult classic leather " it's american company , one guy operation, everything handmade in usa , and I am thinking buying a belt from them. Thanks and keep the videos coming.
I haven't heard from them but I'll look into it, thanks!
I wear prison blues jeans. Union T shirts made in America. Nick's boots. Wigwam socks all made in America those are my clothes I where 6 or 7 days a week to work. So yes you can with a little effort seek out affordable. Made in the USA clothes. You are correct it's unavailable to be 100% but I strongly disagree you have to spend 300% more to get American as much as possible.
Nick's are well made, but they are work boots with a far greater utilitarian style. People shouldn't be comparing the Indy boot to Nick's since the Indy boot is a dress boot. I can wear an Indy boot with a tweed suit. I can't do that with anything on Nick's site.
Thin line between blue collar boots and white collar boots choose your style wisely and what makes sense for you
Nah. I'm blue collar, and I have Redwings and Indy boots. I wear my Redwings when I'm working, and I wear my Indy boots with my sport coat, and tweed suit. I don't know why people ever thought the Indy boot was an actual "work boot." Maybe back in 1935 it was, but it's clearly a dress boot now. Maybe because they saw a fictitious character in a movie wearing them in movies?