I think this white board explanation should be a part of all the future boot reviews to help explain the fit. It wouldn't be perfect but it might help.
Shocked at the way the sole is wearing in just a month of wear. I'd be raging if it happened to a pair of boots I purchased at that price, or any price to be honest!
Came to say this. That outsole and heel separation after just a month or so of wear is very disappointing! Even worse, I've got a pair on order from Leffots with the same outsole. At least I'll be getting a leather mid. I guess that's something...
I have several pairs on the commando sole. My oldest at ~6 years just started to show heel separation on the original sole. As long as you aren’t kicking rocks all day every day and take care of your stuff you should be fine.
As an Alden fanboy, I completely agree with all the complaints. I hope they change there ways. My 30 year old Alden’s look better than my new ones. I now buy Vibergs instead.
I have two Grant Stone boots. They are nice boots. They don’t fit me well. If you try to call them they say they are too busy to answer questions. I don’t buy Grant Stone. Viberg is expensive. If you don’t want to spend the money buy an Iron Ranger. I like my Iron Ranger.
How disappointing......the heel coming loose and the sole separation at the toe after just one month is something I would expect on an $60 pair of no name kmart boots....$900 US....go get your head read mate...seriously Alden is having a laugh!
When I was looking for a pair of cordovan longwings, I immediately looked to Alden. But after some research, I ended up buying a pair of vintage Florsheim and having them professionally restored and resoled. Quality was just way better back in the day
@@V0rTeX45 Yeah but the clicking is going to be better plus Florsheim's longwing last was better than anything Alden makes today. Not only for me is much more comfy but it looks a lot nicer. The only American longwing with a nicer looking last was the Allen Edmonds McNeil, and I'm not convinced that the 7 last is a comfy as barrie and I'm know it's not as nice as the florsheim longwing last. I think Tricker's makes the nicest longwing today, except they rarely do shell cordovan, and the last time they did shell it wasn't horween nor did they disclose what tannery they got it from. If it has to be new carmina makes one but the detroit last is hit or miss for most people. Vass and Crockett and Jones make some killer short wing derbies.
@@claytonberg721 I have had good experiences with Alden clicking but I only buy the special make-ups. Usually the qc is better on them as well. I’ve never had luck finding a Florsheim lwb in a size that I find comfortable so I cannot comment on their lasts.
I bought mine a few years ago now and have to agree. They are nice and I did get them for a fraction of what they run for now, but will probably not get another pair until they change a few things.
Great video! $900 is a custom boot territory, way too much to have blatant leather blemishes and sloppy sewing. I don’t think you should wear them for the full six months, there are other boots that would be cool for you to do full wear tests, especially if at one month those boots are already coming apart. I have a pair of Thursdays that have over 1000 miles on them of hard manual labor that aren’t coming apart like that.
@@noone-pg4lr industrial refrigeration so climbing access ladders, kicking equipment into alignment, and chemical exposure (from caustic soda to 15% sulfuric acid to >45psu saltwater solutions). The tread is bare and needs a resole, the leather has pits, chemical burns, and gashs, but nothing is floppy, worn through, nor coming apart.
@@spudzookawhich model are you running? Are you wearing them every day or switching them out? Are you planning on going with Thursday again after these wear out completely?
@@willieclark2256 The first pair was storm king captains, worn between 5 and 7 days a week for coming up on two years. i bought a pair of the thursday american made loggers to replace them. Somewhere between 1 and 2 years i wore through the vamp lining and the heel counter so they are finally coming up on retirement. I dont do a lot of concrete pavement walking and never had to resole them (they are right there though).
I've made a couple pairs of boots using only premium materials: full grain leathers, high-quality brass eyelets, ritza thread, vibram rubber, etc.; with tradition hand-welted Norwegian construction, and the material cost per pair was around $135; paying retail prices. I don't see why Alden would cut corners when it comes to materials, since that's the cheapest part of making a boot, right? I wonder how much money they actually save by using lesser materials. I hope the savings are going toward better wages for their employees, at least. It's such a shame to pair cordovan leather with junky eyelets, split leather insoles, compressed cardboard, low quality control standards, etc. It's almost a waste. And the fake Norwegian welt strikes me as such an absurd thing to do. I'll never understand why people like fake stuff only for the looks.
@@kevinomalley1145 No, I got a side of oil tan leather. If I used shell cordovan, and I was making a 6 inch service boot with a pattern similar to the Indy boots, in a size 12, I think my total materials cost would be around $300. If I did a nice calfskin liner, it might be around $30 more. I would save a lot of money if I could buy in bulk though, like buying a sole bend instead of full sole pairs; that'd cut costs of those materials in half. Alden sells their cordovan boots for around $800, right? I'd be interested to see what they pay, per square foot, for their shell. A company like that would get huge wholesale and bulk discounts on all materials. And I think people would gladly pay a hundred dollars more if the boots were made with full grain leather throughout, instead of split leather and compressed cardboard.
I really appreciate this perspective as I was so curious as to what their costs would be. Pointing the things you did (and in your reply about wholesale prices) gives a great ballpark, so thank you for that.
Holy cow, I had the same issue!!!! I got a pair of these in snuff suede for my birthday at the beginning of October, have been wearing them 3 days a week or so to the office, and the heel is already peeling away on the edges. Took them to a cobbler last week to get them re-glued and re-nailed properly.
Weston, I've experienced the same issues with my speacial-make-up, barrie-lasted Alden Indy shell cordovan boots. Alden is well aware of these issues because I found blogs and videos showcasing these issues from a decade ago. Alden refuses to correct known issues...
I took my Army issue dress shoes on my Mormon mission for two years and had less problems that these Alden's did for 30 days. This is a crap boot just based on the sole alone .
Great video: your honesty is commendable! I came to the Alden side after many years of window shopping and lusting from afar. I’m on my forth pair and that nostalgia I once had in joining the Alden Army as begun to wear down (pun intended). Although I’ve only owned Barrie and True-balance lasted shoes/boots, I must say my plain blucher boots on the Truebalance lasts are definitely my most comfortable Alden boots. Putting all that aside, the three videos in the Alden series thus far have put a damper on my love affair with Aldens. Given the extensive amount of other offerings from other brands these days, I’m no longer sure I will evolve into an “Alden boy”. Much like you perfectly stated: Yes, they’re beautifully styled and comfortable boots, but may no longer justify their price…for [me].
I was pretty neutral on this debate, but honestly I was shocked by the amount of wear these boots have after only 30 days! This would be ridiculous for any boot at any price. When you got them there was a huge mark on the inner lining, now the sole is coming off the toe, the heel is coming off, the stitching for the sole is worn through. This is basically a defective boot and I think you should get Alden involved here and see if they can comment on the boot or maybe give you a new pair so that you can try again.
It isn't unfair for people to have a high expectation of something they're paying $900 for. It seems like Alden is using people's natural response to justify such an expensive purchase to their advantage, even if they don't market their boots that way. I've had flip flops that held their form better after a month of heavy use.
Not an excuse but the reason these are $900 is because of the leather. The regular version is like 600, so you’re basically paying 300 extra for the same quality boot, with the exception of the leather (even tho the boot shouldn’t be $600 to begin with)
In before the Alden fanboys try to take over the comments. ..Not that I'm really expecting a wave of comments. For the most part Weston has a really supportive community, especially on this channel.
@@not-a-raccoon I keep reading comments like yours and I have a question. Who the hell buys Alden Indy boots for the name! The world has no idea what an Alden Indy boot even is. So why would anyone drop serious cash on boots just for a name no one has any idea even exist? No one cares!
Thank you for this complete honest review, and yes it is your opinion but the fact the price is where it's at, i will not waste my hard earned money on a boot that is not well built. No fake anything, no issues with quality. Untill that boot gets better, with no price increase, then hell yeah. I really do want this boot.
I fell in love with the Alden Indy a few years ago while searching forums for shoes/boots to fit my hard to size feet. This last is clearly well developed as befitting a company this old. But I'm so glad I did research before trying to buy a pair. All the data I gathered on my own indicated Aldens wood generally look great and fit great. But also that I risked spending a lot of money on a boot likely to come with defects and subpar materials that my feet would likely destroy. It was also clear that Alden as a company is in desperate need of an overhaul in customer service, marketing and manufacturing processes. Their footwear has so much potential so it would be nice to see the company turn over a new leaf.
i was looking on jcrew the other day and saw a boot called the "kenton pacer boot". it caught my attention as i feel like it's very very similar to the indy boots, for half of the price. When i did some more research, it seems that alden makes boots for jcrew, and have done lots of collaborations with them. they even have a limited edition chromexel one, but the standard ones leather seems to be tanned by horween. Would you be interested in cutting it in half, and seeing if it's a close alternative to the indy boot, for under 300?
I would love to see Rose Anvil do a deconstruction of a JCrew boot. I have a pair of these Kenton Pacer boots and they seem pretty damn solid. Got them on clearance a couple years ago for way less than $300 too.
I've had these boots for over 10 years, worn every so often, and they are in excellent condition. Someday I will send them in for refurbishment and have brand new boots. Nice review.
Thanks for making this video a couple of months after I sold off mine on ebay for 130 bucks. I Originally paid around 750 and wore them for 5 years, till I decided I don't need them anymore. They were really pretty. The high point was the lustre of the shine, which came very easily after just a few brushes. Conditioning was a bit tricky, because some white residue resulted from the cordovan cream. But the seams were bursting and the leather soles wore through. I'm happy I had them, but equally happy I sold them for such a high price, I was quite surprised.
I have skinny ankles and a low instep, so I use an insole in most of my boots. I also have a pair of Rose Anvil kilties to help take up a little space. The Red Wing Merchant is the only heritage boot that feels like it was made for my foot. No insole, kiltie, or thick socks required.
I have a pair of the 403's purchased off of Ebay and then sent them to Aaron at Revive Shoe repair for a resole. they are now worth the price someone paid for them new... But I will say, I have not seen any flaws in my uppers and the leather is so much nicer than any of my other boots. (Iron Rangers, 1000 miles and Thursday)
As someone with an 8.5 EEE I envy all y’all that have narrow feet. I can’t find a damn thing that fits properly. I can pretty much only wear Ecco brand.
Good review. I got them in light brown 405. I found them a little bit loose on my foot. I did add insoles and it helped with the wiggling a bit. Thanks for your detailed reviews on Alden.
Several points. One, there is no disputing that this boot is overpriced in any version unless you get a deal or pre-owned. There are boots better constructed with better materials for less cost, plain and simple. That being said, if you just want to own them to say you own Aldens, you love Harrison Ford, or like the look, no worries, enjoy. Just don't clap back like what Weston is saying isn't true. Just say in spite of it you like/love the boot and own/want or will own some. Your call. Secondly, fanboys and Alden lovers need to listen carefully. Weston isn't trashing the boot, just stating it is overpriced and not the value some others are. If that matters to you, fine - if not, that is fine also, it won't change the facts. Own what you like and wear what you please based on what matters to you. If the prestige of owning an Alden matters more than what is presented here, just go with that flow. If it keeps you from owning the boot, buying it only at less cost or not at all, that works as well. No need to trash the messenger.
That wear after a short time is inexcusable. I know they're less dressy but I've worm my Red Wing Blacksmiths for what must be 1000 miles now, I've walked up mountains in them when I've forgotten my hiking boots. The stitching on the sole has worn through but the sole is still on their tight and they certainly don't have the heel issues like these, and they're half the price.
I have owned a pair of Alden Indys as part of my work boot rotation (essentially a finish carpenter). Bought them off eBay ($250)about 10 years ago practically new condition, re-soled twice so far. Very comfy workbook, no end-of-day fatigue, and I like the older style (they’ve been around since 1930s, I think). They are falling apart internally and hopefully can have my cobbler replace the heel-counter with real leather, and all the other leatherboard parts on the next re-sole. However I would never pay current full retail price, but rather spend that $$$ on some PNW boots (JK, Nick’s, White’s, et. al.).
You mention the supination/pronation problem that you had. I encountered that as well on diferent shoes. I had this on boots where it was just on one shoe, sometimes on both and so on. Its sloppy manufacturing and not aligning the last and soles correctly. Its just like giving the boots/shoes a correct stand. A shoe/boot should have contact with the ground under the ball area and the heel should be on one plain with the forefoot and be completely flat on the ground. Oftentimes that is not correctly done and the shoe will rock back and forth on the front edge of the heelblock. That is in most cases quite uncomfortable for the wearer at the front of your heel. In german that is called the "stand" of the shoe. When the shoes missalign your foot it will also misallign your knees and waist area, which will in time give you knee pain most certainly or in the worst case fuck up the gristle in your knees prematurely on one or the other side.
I've become more and more aware of just how tight shoes tend to be these days, so its an interesting observation how these shoes manage to be wide yet still appear sleek.
I do like a boot price bracket and teardown to show the materials. It would be a very interesting topic to talk about on both ends of the spectrum. I feel like if someone found a fairly old indy boot. Just some TLC and then a resole for more leather would be fine
I have had numerous Alden Indy boots in my collection for 20 years and agree with you on your assessment. I am a "D" width in all my boots from various makers. Indy boots after the leather breaks in stretches to the point the laces are almost touching when laced. I end up using tongue pads, thick boot socks and some type of thin inserts to keep some separation. Even buying a "C" width is the same situation but just takes a little longer to happen. Got rid of all my shell Aldens as they just were too dressy for casual wear but still have a few pairs of the 403 and 405 boots. I have a big collection now and rotate which means I should be good in keeping the ones I have due to low wear time. Prices are crazy for the boots now and were kind of high when cheaper. The Indy is fine for an office setting or casual wear if in a rotation. Not a serious outside boot but more of a city boot. Also, the tongue sliding around is another issue on a boot. Still like the look and will keep what I have already bought but will not buy more.
Also thanks for talking about the name "Indy" boot being an adventure boot. I assumed they would be more rugged than a dress boot with the Indiana Jones association. Harrison Ford used them as a work boot when he was a carpenter.
I think Weston's frustration stems from the fact that Alden charges a premium for its boots, $900, but then uses C+ - B level materials and workmanship. Whereas with Redwing, it charges on average of $300 for its boots, but has A level materials and craftsmanship across the board.
@@mattgabriel8646 The point is that, IF Red Wing made a boot in shell cordovan it would cost far more than $300 from the cost of materials alone. Rancourt and Allen Edmonds, both MiUSA companies, sell their shell shoes for $700. Now, comparing a $300 Iron Ranger to a $600 CXL Indy, you'll have a much better case.
@@stephenathon We already educated you that Red Wing does not sell shell cordovan and that the median price of $300-350 of Red Wing shoes/boots stands. No one's talking about Allen Edmonds or Rancourt, which you just brought up now to lessen the fact that your initial statement got eviscerated.
@@mattgabriel8646 "We educated you?" Excuse me? I know plenty on the subject. The one who has eviscerated his own argument is you, when you compared shell Alden to non-shell Red Wing. It's a ludicrous apples-to-oranges comparison. I am introducing the other two makers as a real-world pricing comparison to Alden, which is admittedly higher priced but not by your exaggerated margin.
I really liked this video. The comparison of the footprint between the Alden's, the Jim Green's, and the dress shoes was great and really helped your explanation. I would actually be considering the Alden's from that, if it wasn't for the longevity worries you brought up later in the video. Please do make more videos like this. I loved the personal talk about your opinions on the boot design.
To your point about the width - my Brannock width is a D, but because of my foot shape I'm actually closer to EE if you measure my foot with a measuring tape. I'd wager that a lot more people have much wider feet than they think they do, so going from a super narrow last like a Thursday or a dressier boot or a sneaker to something with more room in the vamp and toe box is naturally going to feel a lot more comfortable.
I do a lot of urban trekking around cities when I go on holiday (10-25km per day) and Indys are the only boots that don't give me blisters.... plus they are dressy enough to go into nice bars and restaurants. I supinate badly so all my boots (numerous brands) heels need to be replaced regularly. I think all my stress points go to the heel so I don't seem to wear boots out in other areas
Thanks for all the work you do this is really helpful. I was considering these, but not anymore. I do have some Crockett and Jones and was wondering if you’ve done any reviews on their boots I haven’t been able to find any of them being cut apart
I have always wanted a pair of Indy's. Now, after seeing this video, I am not so sure. At $900, they should not look this bad after 1 month or so. Reguardless, if they are a city or country boot, they should not look this bad after the this small time of usage. I guess Alden thinks their reputation should make up for their lack of using better material. Nice review Weston..I will be curious to see the 6 month review.
The toe part wears quicker for some people so It’s to be replaced instead of the whole sole. Some brands will do a metal tip in the toe sole area for it to wear out slower.
Own the same boot but w speed hooks and within first week of wear, same thing happened w mine, the commando sole at the toe started to peel back… had to purchase boot glue to seal back up. If only this were posted 6 months ago!! 😭
I work in an office and the toe and heal were an issue for me too. It's so disappointing at that price point. I ended up putting JR soles on them after about a year. I love them now.
they are gorgeous boots!! i feel like yes, they are on the dressier side but they look extremely nice and its not a silly dressy. some things look silly when too formal but they are gorgeous and it shows. could make almost any outfit immediately nicer. edit: for the price?? nah 😭 especially for the build quality oh my god like just for the aesthetics yeah but damn nahhh
Weston….before i had found your channel earlier this year…i was wearing $120 timberlands and had just ordered some Made in England Docs…..now i have a pair of Indy 405s and the White’s drifters collabs on the way. Lol These companies owe you money. I KNOW that a lot of people don’t think the Indys are worth it….but i really wanted a pair and so far i love them. 🤷♂️
I have a solution to this situation. If Alden promises to replace the “leather-board” with actual leather, I’ll buy a pair. If Alden does their part to save a famous American brand I’ll do mine. Who’s with me?
@@PumpUptheJam81 Yeah a component of it is “leather” but from my experience it doesn’t hold up. It’s ground up fibers held together by glue. It cracks and splits much faster than real leather.
Despite the marketing claims regarding this 'corrective' Trubalance last, I believe it's only the asymmetrical shape of the Thomas heel - which extends longer on the medial sides of your feet - that could possibly address over-pronation on these boots. Both from personal wearing experience and your excellent dissection videos, I've seen no signs of any other measures built in to keep the wearer's ankles from rolling in. Oddly, I have flat feet and do sometimes roll shoes in, but have had good luck with my 2005 405 Indys, which have stayed straight vertically. When I was recently researching the unavailability of replacement Thomas Heels, the general consensus was they were a crude early attempt to address over pronation and flat arches. Apparently the phasing out of Thomas heels is directly related to much better modern footwear with more advanced anti-pronation measures (including simply addressing it with special insoles with firmer medial areas and higher arches).
From what I gather, they are built like a Thursday boot at double the price of Thursdays made in USA boots. It shows that you’re really paying for the name and legacy. Hopefully they can make a better boot at the same price but probably not. I hope you do Viberg for next years Patina ThunderDome since they are built like a stitchdown Red Wing at thrice the price. I guess they have to pay for all those machines.
You're so right about that nasty foam pad under the heel. So many companies do that, even in dress shoes and its always annoying. The first thing I do when buying new boots/shoes that have these is rip them out. I suppose its for the people that think that foam under your foot is a good idea and comfortable. On the skinny ankle thing I feel you so much. I'am 5cm shy of the 2m mark in body height and have long legs. Skinny around the ankles and apart from finding shoes that are wide enough at the ball and being long enough overall in most higher cut boots I have the problem of too much room around the ankle and lower calf and can never tighten those down. Quite annoying. I think its a quite similar problem as with bicycles: most lasts are scaled up from the average sizes which the companies do the most research on, but sizing is not linear in this way unfortunately. In my youth there was a good supply of vitnage combat boots floating around for little money, which I gladly wore. The quality of those things was oftentimes outstanding. The leather quality alone. Had a black altama army boot from the mid 80s for a long time, you hardly find leathr like this on much more expensive shoes today. A highlight was a 1943 swedish army boot which could be attached to skies. Superb leather, double layered leather outsole, stitched construction with wooden pegs and metal fittings on heel and toe plus metal nails in the sole for grip. Its really a shame what has become of footwear these days on the whole - a giant mountain of petro plastic waste.
It kinda sucks that the internet seems to have killed any value proposition in most surplus gear, if it's any good it's either long gone or priced as such by now. Honestly it's the same story as anything used, people "know what they have" now and will gladly let things sit in cases waiting for that one sucker who will prop up the inflated prices to come along.
I mentioned it before I really like what you're doing I enjoy your channel I enjoy all the information and definitely inspired me to save up to get me a good quality boot I've only been to afford Walmart boots and such maybe this year will be the year appreciate you thank you so much keep up the good work
One thing you failed to mention was the wide variety of widths and sizes that Alden offers, many people purchase Aldens simply because no other companies make decent shoes/boots in those sizes. Not even Allen Edmonds offers such a variety.
I got into watching your content, while I was researching to buy more sustainable shoes. During researching, I started to learn more about barefoot shoes. Now I have gone away from Allen Edmonds to Vivobarefoot, and I think I made the right decision, for me. Keep up your great content!
I've owned many brands and have spent a lot of money of a pair of boots but I just can't seem to convince myself about a pair of Aldens. As time goes videos like these just solidify my decision. I will still with other brands.
I have the same skinny ankle problem. It does make activities like hiking harder in a lot of boots. You get slip. It doesn’t matter for simple daily wear though
Still rockin' my 405's (cowhide) from the late 90's when they were not nearly expensive as they are now and they don't even come close to being that worn out.
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I think this white board explanation should be a part of all the future boot reviews to help explain the fit. It wouldn't be perfect but it might help.
Shocked at the way the sole is wearing in just a month of wear. I'd be raging if it happened to a pair of boots I purchased at that price, or any price to be honest!
Came to say this. That outsole and heel separation after just a month or so of wear is very disappointing! Even worse, I've got a pair on order from Leffots with the same outsole. At least I'll be getting a leather mid. I guess that's something...
I have several pairs on the commando sole. My oldest at ~6 years just started to show heel separation on the original sole. As long as you aren’t kicking rocks all day every day and take care of your stuff you should be fine.
They are made in the US. I'm suspicious.
For 900 dollar boots it's criminal. They're wearing like $100 boots
Same issue on my Alden commando-soled boots in shell.
As an Alden fanboy, I completely agree with all the complaints. I hope they change there ways. My 30 year old Alden’s look better than my new ones. I now buy Vibergs instead.
lol buy grant stone, less of rip off
There is no comparison between grant stone and alden, versus the almighty VIBERG. you get what you pay for, with VIBERG.
I have two Grant Stone boots. They are nice boots. They don’t fit me well. If you try to call them they say they are too busy to answer questions. I don’t buy Grant Stone. Viberg is expensive. If you don’t want to spend the money buy an Iron Ranger. I like my Iron Ranger.
@@pixxburgh420 I would love to see a video of a viberg cut in half
How disappointing......the heel coming loose and the sole separation at the toe after just one month is something I would expect on an $60 pair of no name kmart boots....$900 US....go get your head read mate...seriously Alden is having a laugh!
Someone give this man a medal for trying his damndest to not say “this boot sucks” when he’s proven multiple times that it does.
30 days of wear and the heel stack has a gap, as well as the commando outsole peeling off? Yikes, for any price point.
Actually amazed at what they let slip through QC. If these were Iron Rangers, I would've returned them with those blemishes
When I was looking for a pair of cordovan longwings, I immediately looked to Alden. But after some research, I ended up buying a pair of vintage Florsheim and having them professionally restored and resoled. Quality was just way better back in the day
Even vintage Florsheim used leatherboard and even plastic on their LWBs.
@@V0rTeX45 Yeah but the clicking is going to be better plus Florsheim's longwing last was better than anything Alden makes today. Not only for me is much more comfy but it looks a lot nicer. The only American longwing with a nicer looking last was the Allen Edmonds McNeil, and I'm not convinced that the 7 last is a comfy as barrie and I'm know it's not as nice as the florsheim longwing last.
I think Tricker's makes the nicest longwing today, except they rarely do shell cordovan, and the last time they did shell it wasn't horween nor did they disclose what tannery they got it from. If it has to be new carmina makes one but the detroit last is hit or miss for most people. Vass and Crockett and Jones make some killer short wing derbies.
@@claytonberg721 I have had good experiences with Alden clicking but I only buy the special make-ups. Usually the qc is better on them as well. I’ve never had luck finding a Florsheim lwb in a size that I find comfortable so I cannot comment on their lasts.
The rise and fall of these boots have been surprising. I remember a decade ago when these would be at the top of many lists.
That's why objective review are important.
They cut so many corners the boots are a circle by now.
I bought mine a few years ago now and have to agree. They are nice and I did get them for a fraction of what they run for now, but will probably not get another pair until they change a few things.
The Indy never fell.
They haven't fallen. Calm down zoomer...lol.
Great video! $900 is a custom boot territory, way too much to have blatant leather blemishes and sloppy sewing. I don’t think you should wear them for the full six months, there are other boots that would be cool for you to do full wear tests, especially if at one month those boots are already coming apart. I have a pair of Thursdays that have over 1000 miles on them of hard manual labor that aren’t coming apart like that.
A 250 mile wear test on all Mitusa competitors would be a cool addition to the rankings
How hard are you wearing your Thursday boots
@@noone-pg4lr industrial refrigeration so climbing access ladders, kicking equipment into alignment, and chemical exposure (from caustic soda to 15% sulfuric acid to >45psu saltwater solutions). The tread is bare and needs a resole, the leather has pits, chemical burns, and gashs, but nothing is floppy, worn through, nor coming apart.
@@spudzookawhich model are you running? Are you wearing them every day or switching them out? Are you planning on going with Thursday again after these wear out completely?
@@willieclark2256 The first pair was storm king captains, worn between 5 and 7 days a week for coming up on two years. i bought a pair of the thursday american made loggers to replace them. Somewhere between 1 and 2 years i wore through the vamp lining and the heel counter so they are finally coming up on retirement. I dont do a lot of concrete pavement walking and never had to resole them (they are right there though).
I've made a couple pairs of boots using only premium materials: full grain leathers, high-quality brass eyelets, ritza thread, vibram rubber, etc.; with tradition hand-welted Norwegian construction, and the material cost per pair was around $135; paying retail prices. I don't see why Alden would cut corners when it comes to materials, since that's the cheapest part of making a boot, right? I wonder how much money they actually save by using lesser materials. I hope the savings are going toward better wages for their employees, at least. It's such a shame to pair cordovan leather with junky eyelets, split leather insoles, compressed cardboard, low quality control standards, etc. It's almost a waste. And the fake Norwegian welt strikes me as such an absurd thing to do. I'll never understand why people like fake stuff only for the looks.
Did you use shell cordovan?
@@kevinomalley1145 No, I got a side of oil tan leather. If I used shell cordovan, and I was making a 6 inch service boot with a pattern similar to the Indy boots, in a size 12, I think my total materials cost would be around $300. If I did a nice calfskin liner, it might be around $30 more. I would save a lot of money if I could buy in bulk though, like buying a sole bend instead of full sole pairs; that'd cut costs of those materials in half. Alden sells their cordovan boots for around $800, right? I'd be interested to see what they pay, per square foot, for their shell. A company like that would get huge wholesale and bulk discounts on all materials. And I think people would gladly pay a hundred dollars more if the boots were made with full grain leather throughout, instead of split leather and compressed cardboard.
I really appreciate this perspective as I was so curious as to what their costs would be. Pointing the things you did (and in your reply about wholesale prices) gives a great ballpark, so thank you for that.
Holy cow, I had the same issue!!!! I got a pair of these in snuff suede for my birthday at the beginning of October, have been wearing them 3 days a week or so to the office, and the heel is already peeling away on the edges.
Took them to a cobbler last week to get them re-glued and re-nailed properly.
Weston, I've experienced the same issues with my speacial-make-up, barrie-lasted Alden Indy shell cordovan boots. Alden is well aware of these issues because I found blogs and videos showcasing these issues from a decade ago. Alden refuses to correct known issues...
You got an equally defective pair of boots as Weston? What did you do in the end, just eat the loss?
@@GianmarioScottiyep, 80% of the same issues. I do DIY repairs or live with the issues.
I took my Army issue dress shoes on my Mormon mission for two years and had less problems that these Alden's did for 30 days. This is a crap boot just based on the sole alone .
Great video: your honesty is commendable! I came to the Alden side after many years of window shopping and lusting from afar. I’m on my forth pair and that nostalgia I once had in joining the Alden Army as begun to wear down (pun intended).
Although I’ve only owned Barrie and True-balance lasted shoes/boots, I must say my plain blucher boots on the Truebalance lasts are definitely my most comfortable Alden boots.
Putting all that aside, the three videos in the Alden series thus far have put a damper on my love affair with Aldens. Given the extensive amount of other offerings from other brands these days, I’m no longer sure I will evolve into an “Alden boy”.
Much like you perfectly stated: Yes, they’re beautifully styled and comfortable boots, but may no longer justify their price…for [me].
I was pretty neutral on this debate, but honestly I was shocked by the amount of wear these boots have after only 30 days! This would be ridiculous for any boot at any price. When you got them there was a huge mark on the inner lining, now the sole is coming off the toe, the heel is coming off, the stitching for the sole is worn through. This is basically a defective boot and I think you should get Alden involved here and see if they can comment on the boot or maybe give you a new pair so that you can try again.
The outline experiment was very cool. It's interesting how important the moc stitch is dressing up the boot despite the wide last.
It isn't unfair for people to have a high expectation of something they're paying $900 for. It seems like Alden is using people's natural response to justify such an expensive purchase to their advantage, even if they don't market their boots that way. I've had flip flops that held their form better after a month of heavy use.
Not an excuse but the reason these are $900 is because of the leather. The regular version is like 600, so you’re basically paying 300 extra for the same quality boot, with the exception of the leather (even tho the boot shouldn’t be $600 to begin with)
There's a suck born every minute.
In before the Alden fanboys try to take over the comments. ..Not that I'm really expecting a wave of comments. For the most part Weston has a really supportive community, especially on this channel.
This guy really hates Alden. Hateraid.
@@galvanizedgnome nah, just the insufferable fans that can't accept that they're paying more than they should for a name.
he was more unique before, now he's more and more like a magazine's cover. glossy, but cheesy.
ig he changed his gender or smth
@@not-a-raccoon I keep reading comments like yours and I have a question. Who the hell buys Alden Indy boots for the name! The world has no idea what an Alden Indy boot even is. So why would anyone drop serious cash on boots just for a name no one has any idea even exist? No one cares!
@@73split cool story bro
it's nice that somebody with this large of a platform is making the critique. Alden has zero excuses for all of the issues.
I love these long form videos! It's really cool to get deeper into the details, very cool
Your honesty, in-depth research is greatly appreciated... BIG UPs!
Thank you for this complete honest review, and yes it is your opinion but the fact the price is where it's at, i will not waste my hard earned money on a boot that is not well built. No fake anything, no issues with quality. Untill that boot gets better, with no price increase, then hell yeah. I really do want this boot.
Thanks for the in depth review. Appreciate your detail and honesty.
I love the honest yet thoughtful opinion on each aspect of these boots these.
That last/width demonstration was great!
I fell in love with the Alden Indy a few years ago while searching forums for shoes/boots to fit my hard to size feet. This last is clearly well developed as befitting a company this old. But I'm so glad I did research before trying to buy a pair. All the data I gathered on my own indicated Aldens wood generally look great and fit great. But also that I risked spending a lot of money on a boot likely to come with defects and subpar materials that my feet would likely destroy. It was also clear that Alden as a company is in desperate need of an overhaul in customer service, marketing and manufacturing processes. Their footwear has so much potential so it would be nice to see the company turn over a new leaf.
These long wear videos are awesome! It's so helpful knowing what I'm getting into before buying something.
That overhead explaination was worth its weight in gold. I'm pretty new to the boot world, and your videos are so helpful!
Love the in depth second channel video, keep em coming
I would love to see a video of Weston talking to Bedo's leather work about the Indy boot
Way too expensive for a pair of basic boots esp. since there is not $900.00 worth of material and build quality. Better off with a pair of Jim Greens
These are cordovan but yeah, aint no way in hell they're worth over $500
Loving this kind of in depth stuff
i was looking on jcrew the other day and saw a boot called the "kenton pacer boot". it caught my attention as i feel like it's very very similar to the indy boots, for half of the price. When i did some more research, it seems that alden makes boots for jcrew, and have done lots of collaborations with them. they even have a limited edition chromexel one, but the standard ones leather seems to be tanned by horween. Would you be interested in cutting it in half, and seeing if it's a close alternative to the indy boot, for under 300?
Those are made in China I believe. Nice boots though.
I would love to see Rose Anvil do a deconstruction of a JCrew boot. I have a pair of these Kenton Pacer boots and they seem pretty damn solid. Got them on clearance a couple years ago for way less than $300 too.
You are spot on. I have many of the same issues with my 405's
Didn’t these used to be $400? Was thinking of getting a pair back then but now I definitely won’t!
Not the shell version
Can you do the most famous allen edmonds claim to fame higgins mill ?
This channel convinced me I really wanted a pair of Indy boots. Really one of my dream pair...
I've had these boots for over 10 years, worn every so often, and they are in excellent condition. Someday I will send them in for refurbishment and have brand new boots. Nice review.
Thank you for making this video actually talking about Alden with a critical eye
Thanks for making this video a couple of months after I sold off mine on ebay for 130 bucks. I Originally paid around 750 and wore them for 5 years, till I decided I don't need them anymore. They were really pretty. The high point was the lustre of the shine, which came very easily after just a few brushes. Conditioning was a bit tricky, because some white residue resulted from the cordovan cream. But the seams were bursting and the leather soles wore through. I'm happy I had them, but equally happy I sold them for such a high price, I was quite surprised.
Can't wait to see the long-term follow ups
I have skinny ankles and a low instep, so I use an insole in most of my boots. I also have a pair of Rose Anvil kilties to help take up a little space. The Red Wing Merchant is the only heritage boot that feels like it was made for my foot. No insole, kiltie, or thick socks required.
Also, I think you need a narrower fit. If both the forefoot and heel are too wide, the answer is usually the most obvious… the boot size is too wide.
Love it or hate it, I appreciate the honest review. Zits, warts and all the good stuff too.
I have a pair of the 403's purchased off of Ebay and then sent them to Aaron at Revive Shoe repair for a resole. they are now worth the price someone paid for them new... But I will say, I have not seen any flaws in my uppers and the leather is so much nicer than any of my other boots. (Iron Rangers, 1000 miles and Thursday)
Hmm, that is a great idea. I think I may do the same thing.
As someone with an 8.5 EEE I envy all y’all that have narrow feet. I can’t find a damn thing that fits properly. I can pretty much only wear Ecco brand.
I love the idea of these long-term review videos
this is the best breakdown of the alden trubalance last i've ever seen, LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!
Good review. I got them in light brown 405. I found them a little bit loose on my foot. I did add insoles and it helped with the wiggling a bit. Thanks for your detailed reviews on Alden.
Several points. One, there is no disputing that this boot is overpriced in any version unless you get a deal or pre-owned. There are boots better constructed with better materials for less cost, plain and simple. That being said, if you just want to own them to say you own Aldens, you love Harrison Ford, or like the look, no worries, enjoy. Just don't clap back like what Weston is saying isn't true. Just say in spite of it you like/love the boot and own/want or will own some. Your call. Secondly, fanboys and Alden lovers need to listen carefully. Weston isn't trashing the boot, just stating it is overpriced and not the value some others are. If that matters to you, fine - if not, that is fine also, it won't change the facts. Own what you like and wear what you please based on what matters to you. If the prestige of owning an Alden matters more than what is presented here, just go with that flow. If it keeps you from owning the boot, buying it only at less cost or not at all, that works as well. No need to trash the messenger.
That wear after a short time is inexcusable.
I know they're less dressy but I've worm my Red Wing Blacksmiths for what must be 1000 miles now, I've walked up mountains in them when I've forgotten my hiking boots. The stitching on the sole has worn through but the sole is still on their tight and they certainly don't have the heel issues like these, and they're half the price.
I have 100 buck boots that look better after two years
I have owned a pair of Alden Indys as part of my work boot rotation (essentially a finish carpenter). Bought them off eBay ($250)about 10 years ago practically new condition, re-soled twice so far. Very comfy workbook, no end-of-day fatigue, and I like the older style (they’ve been around since 1930s, I think). They are falling apart internally and hopefully can have my cobbler replace the heel-counter with real leather, and all the other leatherboard parts on the next re-sole. However I would never pay current full retail price, but rather spend that $$$ on some PNW boots (JK, Nick’s, White’s, et. al.).
"No, no, that's okay. You don't have to do a 3 month and 6 month review."
---Alden Management
You mention the supination/pronation problem that you had. I encountered that as well on diferent shoes. I had this on boots where it was just on one shoe, sometimes on both and so on. Its sloppy manufacturing and not aligning the last and soles correctly. Its just like giving the boots/shoes a correct stand. A shoe/boot should have contact with the ground under the ball area and the heel should be on one plain with the forefoot and be completely flat on the ground. Oftentimes that is not correctly done and the shoe will rock back and forth on the front edge of the heelblock. That is in most cases quite uncomfortable for the wearer at the front of your heel. In german that is called the "stand" of the shoe.
When the shoes missalign your foot it will also misallign your knees and waist area, which will in time give you knee pain most certainly or in the worst case fuck up the gristle in your knees prematurely on one or the other side.
I've become more and more aware of just how tight shoes tend to be these days, so its an interesting observation how these shoes manage to be wide yet still appear sleek.
Very insightful information. I now understand why my Indy boot is more comfortable than my Alden longwings. Wider toe box, less swueeze on the toes.
the first video is spot on. this 3rd video just confirms it.
I do like a boot price bracket and teardown to show the materials. It would be a very interesting topic to talk about on both ends of the spectrum. I feel like if someone found a fairly old indy boot. Just some TLC and then a resole for more leather would be fine
I have had numerous Alden Indy boots in my collection for 20 years and agree with you on your assessment. I am a "D" width in all my boots from various makers. Indy boots after the leather breaks in stretches to the point the laces are almost touching when laced. I end up using tongue pads, thick boot socks and some type of thin inserts to keep some separation. Even buying a "C" width is the same situation but just takes a little longer to happen. Got rid of all my shell Aldens as they just were too dressy for casual wear but still have a few pairs of the 403 and 405 boots. I have a big collection now and rotate which means I should be good in keeping the ones I have due to low wear time. Prices are crazy for the boots now and were kind of high when cheaper. The Indy is fine for an office setting or casual wear if in a rotation. Not a serious outside boot but more of a city boot. Also, the tongue sliding around is another issue on a boot. Still like the look and will keep what I have already bought but will not buy more.
Awesome video, thank you for doing this review! I can't wait to see the 6 month video!
Also thanks for talking about the name "Indy" boot being an adventure boot. I assumed they would be more rugged than a dress boot with the Indiana Jones association. Harrison Ford used them as a work boot when he was a carpenter.
I really enjoy your honest approach, man.
Learnt a lot! Thank you Rose Anvil :D!
Looking forward to the podcasts!
I think Weston's frustration stems from the fact that Alden charges a premium for its boots, $900, but then uses C+ - B level materials and workmanship. Whereas with Redwing, it charges on average of $300 for its boots, but has A level materials and craftsmanship across the board.
You can get a shell cordovan pair of Redwings for $300?
@@Hendrixdh Nope, because Redwing doesn't sell cordovan hide shoes or boots. Sorry that your point fell flat.
@@mattgabriel8646 The point is that, IF Red Wing made a boot in shell cordovan it would cost far more than $300 from the cost of materials alone. Rancourt and Allen Edmonds, both MiUSA companies, sell their shell shoes for $700.
Now, comparing a $300 Iron Ranger to a $600 CXL Indy, you'll have a much better case.
@@stephenathon We already educated you that Red Wing does not sell shell cordovan and that the median price of $300-350 of Red Wing shoes/boots stands. No one's talking about Allen Edmonds or Rancourt, which you just brought up now to lessen the fact that your initial statement got eviscerated.
@@mattgabriel8646 "We educated you?" Excuse me? I know plenty on the subject. The one who has eviscerated his own argument is you, when you compared shell Alden to non-shell Red Wing. It's a ludicrous apples-to-oranges comparison. I am introducing the other two makers as a real-world pricing comparison to Alden, which is admittedly higher priced but not by your exaggerated margin.
There is something very entertaining about watching rose anvil vs Alden. I can watch this all day lol
I really liked this video. The comparison of the footprint between the Alden's, the Jim Green's, and the dress shoes was great and really helped your explanation. I would actually be considering the Alden's from that, if it wasn't for the longevity worries you brought up later in the video.
Please do make more videos like this. I loved the personal talk about your opinions on the boot design.
My thoughts exactly.
Agreed. I'd like to see how these compare to e.g. a Grant Stone Floyd or Leo last boot.
I love the conversation you've started with Alden. Looking forward to having you on Full Grain Podcast
To your point about the width - my Brannock width is a D, but because of my foot shape I'm actually closer to EE if you measure my foot with a measuring tape. I'd wager that a lot more people have much wider feet than they think they do, so going from a super narrow last like a Thursday or a dressier boot or a sneaker to something with more room in the vamp and toe box is naturally going to feel a lot more comfortable.
I do a lot of urban trekking around cities when I go on holiday (10-25km per day) and Indys are the only boots that don't give me blisters.... plus they are dressy enough to go into nice bars and restaurants. I supinate badly so all my boots (numerous brands) heels need to be replaced regularly. I think all my stress points go to the heel so I don't seem to wear boots out in other areas
Thanks for all the work you do this is really helpful. I was considering these, but not anymore. I do have some Crockett and Jones and was wondering if you’ve done any reviews on their boots I haven’t been able to find any of them being cut apart
I have always wanted a pair of Indy's. Now, after seeing this video, I am not so sure. At $900, they should not look this bad after 1 month or so. Reguardless, if they are a city or country boot, they should not look this bad after the this small time of usage. I guess Alden thinks their reputation should make up for their lack of using better material. Nice review Weston..I will be curious to see the 6 month review.
The toe part wears quicker for some people so It’s to be replaced instead of the whole sole. Some brands will do a metal tip in the toe sole area for it to wear out slower.
A series for motorcycle boots/shoes in late winter/ early spring would be amazing
Own the same boot but w speed hooks and within first week of wear, same thing happened w mine, the commando sole at the toe started to peel back… had to purchase boot glue to seal back up.
If only this were posted 6 months ago!! 😭
"Skinny dainty little ankled boy like me" 🤣 i know the feeling
I work in an office and the toe and heal were an issue for me too. It's so disappointing at that price point. I ended up putting JR soles on them after about a year. I love them now.
they are gorgeous boots!! i feel like yes, they are on the dressier side but they look extremely nice and its not a silly dressy. some things look silly when too formal but they are gorgeous and it shows. could make almost any outfit immediately nicer.
edit: for the price?? nah 😭 especially for the build quality oh my god like just for the aesthetics yeah but damn nahhh
I really appreciate this video.
Weston….before i had found your channel earlier this year…i was wearing $120 timberlands and had just ordered some Made in England Docs…..now i have a pair of Indy 405s and the White’s drifters collabs on the way. Lol
These companies owe you money. I KNOW that a lot of people don’t think the Indys are worth it….but i really wanted a pair and so far i love them. 🤷♂️
i would enjoy in depth reviews over other clothing items (pants, jackets, etc) and see your take on quality and longevity
If Thursday comes out with a cordovan boot I'm all over it
I have a solution to this situation.
If Alden promises to replace the “leather-board” with actual leather, I’ll buy a pair.
If Alden does their part to save a famous American brand I’ll do mine.
Who’s with me?
Yea
Leather board is a form of composite leather, does not really bother me much. The price is insane though compared to other brands out there.
@@PumpUptheJam81
Yeah a component of it is “leather” but from my experience it doesn’t hold up. It’s ground up fibers held together by glue. It cracks and splits much faster than real leather.
Despite the marketing claims regarding this 'corrective' Trubalance last, I believe it's only the asymmetrical shape of the Thomas heel - which extends longer on the medial sides of your feet - that could possibly address over-pronation on these boots. Both from personal wearing experience and your excellent dissection videos, I've seen no signs of any other measures built in to keep the wearer's ankles from rolling in. Oddly, I have flat feet and do sometimes roll shoes in, but have had good luck with my 2005 405 Indys, which have stayed straight vertically.
When I was recently researching the unavailability of replacement Thomas Heels, the general consensus was they were a crude early attempt to address over pronation and flat arches. Apparently the phasing out of Thomas heels is directly related to much better modern footwear with more advanced anti-pronation measures (including simply addressing it with special insoles with firmer medial areas and higher arches).
From what I gather, they are built like a Thursday boot at double the price of Thursdays made in USA boots. It shows that you’re really paying for the name and legacy. Hopefully they can make a better boot at the same price but probably not.
I hope you do Viberg for next years Patina ThunderDome since they are built like a stitchdown Red Wing at thrice the price. I guess they have to pay for all those machines.
You're so right about that nasty foam pad under the heel. So many companies do that, even in dress shoes and its always annoying. The first thing I do when buying new boots/shoes that have these is rip them out. I suppose its for the people that think that foam under your foot is a good idea and comfortable.
On the skinny ankle thing I feel you so much. I'am 5cm shy of the 2m mark in body height and have long legs. Skinny around the ankles and apart from finding shoes that are wide enough at the ball and being long enough overall in most higher cut boots I have the problem of too much room around the ankle and lower calf and can never tighten those down. Quite annoying. I think its a quite similar problem as with bicycles: most lasts are scaled up from the average sizes which the companies do the most research on, but sizing is not linear in this way unfortunately.
In my youth there was a good supply of vitnage combat boots floating around for little money, which I gladly wore. The quality of those things was oftentimes outstanding. The leather quality alone. Had a black altama army boot from the mid 80s for a long time, you hardly find leathr like this on much more expensive shoes today.
A highlight was a 1943 swedish army boot which could be attached to skies. Superb leather, double layered leather outsole, stitched construction with wooden pegs and metal fittings on heel and toe plus metal nails in the sole for grip. Its really a shame what has become of footwear these days on the whole - a giant mountain of petro plastic waste.
It kinda sucks that the internet seems to have killed any value proposition in most surplus gear, if it's any good it's either long gone or priced as such by now. Honestly it's the same story as anything used, people "know what they have" now and will gladly let things sit in cases waiting for that one sucker who will prop up the inflated prices to come along.
I mentioned it before I really like what you're doing I enjoy your channel I enjoy all the information and definitely inspired me to save up to get me a good quality boot I've only been to afford Walmart boots and such maybe this year will be the year appreciate you thank you so much keep up the good work
Indeed a brilliant Last, even better, really nice socks!
One thing you failed to mention was the wide variety of widths and sizes that Alden offers, many people purchase Aldens simply because no other companies make decent shoes/boots in those sizes. Not even Allen Edmonds offers such a variety.
What's the point in dumping tons of cash on a disposable boot? It may fit well, but judging by his boots they wouldn't last a year.
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I have same thing on my soles. I have 4 pairs. The rubber has come unstitched and I mostly wear to the office in winter!
This would make a great Walmart dress shoe. Although the 20 dollar range will still have their outsole in one piece.
I got into watching your content, while I was researching to buy more sustainable shoes. During researching, I started to learn more about barefoot shoes. Now I have gone away from Allen Edmonds to Vivobarefoot, and I think I made the right decision, for me. Keep up your great content!
The separation of the heel and outsole is more damning than the exposure of the cheap materials from the first video.
I remember just a few years back Alden was one of the top recommended brands.
I don’t need work boots, but the AE HM and Alden Indy give me the work ethic when I am dressed down.
I've owned many brands and have spent a lot of money of a pair of boots but I just can't seem to convince myself about a pair of Aldens. As time goes videos like these just solidify my decision.
I will still with other brands.
Love these videos.
Awesome review, thank you so much.
I’ll stick with my Thursdays, Red Wings, and my fave, Grant Stone.
I have the same skinny ankle problem. It does make activities like hiking harder in a lot of boots. You get slip. It doesn’t matter for simple daily wear though
Still rockin' my 405's (cowhide) from the late 90's when they were not nearly expensive as they are now and they don't even come close to being that worn out.