The people of the Riverlands weren’t really in a position to fight back. The situation in the Riverlands was dire at this point. Lannister forces had pillaged much of their opposition’s land while they were fighting. The Freys were left with one of the largest armies in the Riverlands, one of the better castles, and they are rich from the tolls they have charged to cross the river for the last couple hundred years. I know it’s easy to think they are really bad because most of the members of house Frey seem to be disgusting idiots, but they are quite powerful in the region.
It always irritated me how the show portrayed Edmure as a bumbling idiot just for the sake of being one, when in the books he was a capable leader, who just made bad choices because he wanted to protect all the people, even the peasants. In the book, the only reason he missed the arrows for the funeral pyre was because he was severely drunk, from being up all night drinking & mourning his death. He also was crying and the tears were effecting his vision.
It never made sense to me how they made a point of showing him missing for seemingly no reason.. like what was the point of that scene?.. was it supposed to be funny or something?
Fun fact, this is not the first time Jaime and Blackfish met. When Jaime was a boy, he came to Riverrun to dine with the Tullys. Blackfish was his hero, and Jaime begged Blackfish to tell him stories of him and Ser Barristan cutting through the Golden Company.
StannyBWrath not of Ser Barristan. The Blackfish himself fought and won great fame in the War of the Ninepenny Kings. I don't think he told Jaime of just Barristan and Maelys. He probably shared his own exploits with Jaime.
"Were loading the trebuchet's with pig shit. An old man came by earlier and sold us books on how to conduct a siege." Bronn: "Last time I saw him, he sold jars of pig shit."
actually pigs were frequently used in the Middle Ages during the capture of a city or a fort. We poured oil on them then we lit the fire and we released them in the city, panicked because of the fire the pigs run incessantly causing panic among the enemy army
"Because you didn't set a proper perimeter! You just allowed 8,000 men to approach unchallenged." Such wise words from a cunning strategist! I'm sure Jaime would never commit a gross mistake like this. *Then, due to the lack of sentries and outriders, Jaime is caught flat-footed by 100,000 mounted dothraki screamers and a goddamn dragon
I kind of hate to say this but in the books Jaime had outriders and scouts ranging for miles after being surprised and captured by Robb Stark. I still love watching the show. I have never read a book that was adapted into an accurate screenplay with the possible exception of Gone With the Wind.
It's possible that the Dothraki had forward rangers too, killing scouts and pickets. Plus, given how fast the Dothraki moved it would be hard for the scouts to get ahead of them to report in. It's not like they had cell phones or portable radio's.
rob denini This mistakes by the Freys was way worse.They know they besieging their beloved liege lord's castle and how the rest of the riverlands despises them and how at any minute any of those houses could come and relieve the siege.Jaime on the otherhand had no knowledge of dany even being in mainland westeros.
Quetzalcoatl he was not talking about in general but rather right at this instance he seemed just like his father. jamie has a long way to go till he reaches tywins age. im sure he could grow wise just like his father in 20 30 years
But Tywin's not a badass.. he never does anything himself, except know how to manipulate, using threat and powers. Jamie Though is a badass.. Or he was with both hands, but is slowly becoming the knight his "Mentor" wanted him to be.. And not the smiling knight he was in the first 2 seasons. But a Badass actually needs to have skill at his hands to be named such. Tywin did not, Jamie does ;) (or did)
Sorry, but the Freys are actually way smarter than that. They just don't dress up to show it, but they were only following a 'diplomatic' approach due to King Landing's orders. If they were free to do as they willed, the keep would be dead meat within days.
Smarter doesn't help against a heavily-fortified fortress with a massive supply of food. Sieging castles in the medieval era tended to be a question about forcing a surrender after months or years, whereas assaults tended to be disasters. And Riverrun is described as having the Trident cutting the land around it into 3 distinct pieces which each need to be defended to properly siege the castle. Even without a large army, they likely had the defenders to man the walls at least since so many of the allies of the Freys and Lannisters in the Riverlands were natural enemies of other noble houses with everything to lose if they abandoned the Tully cause. Walder Frey was smart because of his political savvy, not his military victories. And Walder Frey wasn't at the siege. Plus the only Frey he had much confidence in was Black Frey, one of his bastard sons, whereas most of his natural children didn't exactly inspire him with confidence.
Half of the Frey army would set up an ambush, and accidentally attack and kill the other half. In an attempt to learn from their mistake, they would do the same thing the next day. And then the next. And the next. By day five, the 10 remaining Frey men, hardened by four consecutive and successful ambush attacks, would charge the fortress.
Not only that but in the books they did that at least 3 times a day. For 2 week. Also if u notice when hes says hell cut his thoat that edmures doing a slight nod to the blackfish to surrender. Edmure tully the lord who surrended the riverlands after thousands of years to save his own skin.
Skull Hunter oh come on in the books he only surrendered because jaime threatened to kill his child and reduce the damn castle too ruin . It took literally that for him to break . And if you know jaime and the bannisters you know that he isn't above killing children and destroying ancestral castles .
Jamie: And what did we learn here? Frey: *Sigh*... Never make threats you're not prepared to follow through on. If the enemy calls your bluff, you're fucked. Jamie: Very good! Edmure was their most valuable bargaining chip. He was too valuable to kill and the Blackfish knew it. The Freys are (well, were...) fucking morons. The Red Wedding was a brilliant trap but it's pretty clear that it was all Tywin's idea.
MrClickity In the books. The Red wedding was mainly planned by Tywin, Roose, and Lame Lothar, who is actually an cunning, intelligent man. Nothing like in the show.
In the books it was Red Walder Frey who commanded the Frey siege, and his only qualification was having been fostered by the Lannisters, having been on their side the entire 5 Kings war, and being married to Tywin's sister. Since he was positioned to be given Riverrun when it fell, presumably entirely because he married a Lannister, he also refused to use siege weapons against the walls, thus all the pageantry with forcing a surrender. In the books Black Walder Frey was actually kind of a bad ass. He fought on the side of the Stark's up until the betrayal, he scaled the walls at a keep the Stark's took, was part of planning the red wedding, and even positioned his alcoholic, brain damaged, cousin to lure Lord Umber into a drinking contest in hopes of disabling the huge man without a fight. It failed, but the planning were there. I also low-key loved the way so many Frey children had been named Walder and Walda that they had to start color coding them.
Crafter1992 He should have escaped to fight against. If he had to die, we should have seen him go down. However, they still have to watch their spending. Battle of the Bastards and Slavers Bay wasn't cheap after all.
A lot of deaths in this show were a god damn travesty. Ned Stark, Ser Baristan, Syrio Forel, Oberyn Martell, and Shireen Baratheon are a few people collectively agree on. Not to sound critical, but this whole goddamn show is about individual god damn travesties.
I honestly feel that something similar to this would've happened had Tywin made to King's Landing just in time before Ned Stark was murdered. Had he arrived just in time, he would've stopped the entire process, sent Joffrey and Cersei back to the Red Keep screaming and kicking, had Sansa escorted back to her chambers, had Ned sent back to the cells ( but given a bath, food, and someone to look after his leg), and then later on, they would meet alone saying that he will take Ned to Riverrun and order Robb to stand down and exchange him for Jaime, and Sansa would be married to Joffrey, and Ned would get to go back to Winterfell, (he wouldn't even have to go to the wall in this AU). And Tywin would've assured Ned that he would not allow Joffrey to harm Sansa in any way seeing as how he'd be a puppet king. And if Joffrey got to outta hand, then Tywin would arrange for him to have an "accident" and then place Tommen on the throne. (And also, Cersei's plan to send Ned to wall was pretty stupid seeing as how once they got up North, Yoren would've either let him and Arya go free, or the Northern lords would interceed and free him. And then once Ned Stark took over command of the army, the Lannisters would be truly fucked).
On the Night's Watch thing: It wouldn't matter if anyone could have freed him. Eddard was honorable enough to keep his word. They let him live, if he goes to the wall. And since they let him live, he would have gone to the wall, honored his bargain, and taken the black. Eddard was a lot of things: kinda naive, stubborn, jealous of his dead brother... but he was rightly known as the most honorable man in the 7 kingdoms.
@@ThisAintAStupidName True, very true. But you forget one thing....they had Jaime. And Robb made it abundantly clear that they were NOT about to trade him for Sansa and Arya, no matter what. But they were willing to trade him for Ned. In fact, the day Ned was executed, was the day the raven arrived to the capital claiming they had the Kingslayer. What I'm saying is that even if Ned still went to the wall, the Northerners weren't about to let Jaime go, no matter how much the Lannisters offered Sansa back. So if Ned took the black, Robb would just go back to Winterfell, and he'd take Jaime with him The way I see it, once they realized that the Lannisters let Ned go, they'd be thinking, "Idiots". Once they intercepted and freed him, Ned would tell Robb to go back to Winterfell and take Jaime with him so that they have all the leverage over Tywin. Then Ned would take command of the Northern army and proceed to kick Tywin Lannister's ass way harder then Robb did.
This is all rather wishful and should it have been so, the entire Show would not get past 2 or 3 seasons. Ned paid the ultimate price for the Show's longevity.
and this highlights a notable difference between Tyrion and Jamie. Tyrion talked big but he didn't back it up, Jamie did. in the books it was Ser Boros, who immediately back talked him saying, "The Queen will hear of this!" and he was not killed.
The scene was well done for the Tullys. You can see Blackfish is upset by seeing his nephews life in danger but he knew their fates were sealed and was only fighting to go down fighting.
Also nobody would ever trust the word of a Frey at this point. They committed the worst crime/sin in the world by breaking guest right and murdering the Starks and their bannermen, would you trust them not to murder you on the spot after yielding to them?
'It's a good thing we're friends or we'd be fucking you in the ass right now.' Shit like this is why I love Bronn. Brutally honest, upfront and vulgar.
It is a mess and not even truly blockading Riverrun. The reason why the castle is so hard to besiege and take is because it's surrounded by water on all three sides, making attacking it head-on impossible without sustaining massive casualties and to stand any chance of cutting it off completely, you'd need to split your army to hold all three shores.
I can totally see this as a westeros version of "I'm the chief of police I run this. Not anymore you don't, this is an FBI matter. Your not in charge either! What on who's authority? Homeland security." Lol and on and on it goes
It's a shame the show didn't set the scene in the book where Jaime hits Red Connington in the face with his golden hand, after discovering that Connington insulted Brienne when she was younger and gave her a rose saying she was the only one thing she would have of him - for Connington had already been Brienne's suitor (and so she hates roses). It's one of the few moments in the book where we don't see any sarcastic thoughts from Jaime, he was really pissed that Connington was a part of something so traumatic in Brienne's life. And if there was this scene, it would be much more iconic.
Honestly, in Blackfish's position, I would have ordered my crossbowmen to put a few bolts into Lothar and Black Walder. They're clearly in range, undefended, unarmored. And given how shit their army is, killing them would clearly dissolve the siege right there.
Blackfish didn't necessarily want Edmure dead. He was just prepared to let him be killed as he had resolve. Something the Frey's clearly lacked. Else Edmure would be dead already. By this point firing on the Frey's was MORE danger to Edmure than the Frey's themselves and certainly whilst entertaining Blackfish was fine and would have won if Lannisters hadn't shown up who showed up of course because it was an embarrassing rebellion to the capital and might inspire others to decide local politics for themselves. Now I don't know re book Frey's but show Frey's were hardly respected by anyone except for the Neck control and Old Walder Frey's cunning.
+Will Chao I like that. Plus, it seems to be well on it's way to happening. Jaime is off to join Tyrion's team. Bronn likely won't stay long with Cersei's crazy ass.
This was straight up Tywin coming out of Jamie in this scene. Letting someone complete their stupidness before you correct them, the sternness in his voice. Reminds me when Tywin forces his guards to put the prisoners to work at Harrenhal.
Honestly, I think Edmure is underrated. He is easily overlooked in comparison with the rest of his family, but credit where credit's due, he handled himself quite bravely here. He obviously didn't want to die, but nevertheless kept some measure of dignity, not pleading for his life with either his words or his eyes.
Well, you have to remember Edmure had been threatened like this for a couple weeks by House Frey at this point. We don’t know how he reacted initially, but I could see him being somewhat stoic even on the first threat. Jaime threatened to storm the castle with rivermen, the men of house Frey, and then the Jaime’s men to maximise the casualties faced by the people of the Riverlands, but Jaime also threatened him with "When the castle falls, all those inside will be put to the sword. Your herds will be butchered, your godswood will be felled, your keeps and towers will burn. I'll pull your walls down, and divert the Tumblestone over the ruins. By the time I'm done no man will ever know that a castle once stood here."..."You'll want your child, I expect. I'll send him to you when he's born. With a trebuchet." It makes sense that Edmure would surrender Riverrun, and I don’t blame him much for it. This would’ve been Jaime’s Rains of Castamere moment.
Yeah, what did he do wrong exactly? He fucked up a battle because the Starks never told him their strategy and he is kind of bad at archery. That's it.
@@thanman6584 The castles are never very accurate to their book descriptions it’s just not really practical unfortunately, but that is indeed the show’s interpretation of Riverrun. Though to be fair to them the seat of house Tully is one of the smaller castles especially for the great houses. I would imagine only house Arryn has a smaller castle. All in all I thought this version wasn’t too bad… it could’ve been worse like the tragedy that was Highgarden.
@@thanman6584I cut the show a lot of slack when it comes to its depictions of things like castles and dragons. It’s just not practical to make them to look like they do in the book. It’s all well and good for George RR Martin to describe grand and incredible fortresses and beasts, but to actually make them in live action is an incredibly difficult and expensive endeavour.
hova mkay would’ve been cool to make him a hand with a sword attached so he could’ve kept using his right hand in battle and trained the left one for when he’s not prepared to put on the right hand.
@@alphagamer9505 Holy fuck! That’d be badass! I’m now imagining someone with Dragon Glass or Valarian Steel chains just whipping through the White Walkers.
You'd think a family who became rich through taxes and plenty of agricultural land would look better than Northerners who have less to work with. I thought his sons and daughters were always peasants working in the castle before Walder said he had a load of children.
Short answer: It makes them look filthy and pathetic, which is what the producers wants us to think of them as. Long answer: Walder Frey does in fact not give a single flying fuck about his sons, he didn't bother to educate them properly as far as we know. Also, for a feudal lord, after like your third or fourth son, the rest of them are more of a liability than anything else. He would probably prefer them dead than well dressed.
Though Rambard is entirely correct in regard to his first answer, the reason they look and dress like that is thematic. It's typical Hollywood ignorance that everyone in the medieval world dressed in black and was always covered in dirt. Even in the show, the Freys are a very wealthy house and Walder Frey still dresses like a hobo. Rambard in respect to his second point is totally wrong. Walder Frey cares about his family more than anything. He stresses family loyalty above everything else, he makes sure all the members of his family have a place in his home, which is something he's under no obligation to do and he provides for all his bastards which is something most lords don't do because they share blood with him and that's important to him. He takes interest in his children's personalities, talents, and exploits. As well as lamenting their failures and scolding them harshly but never punishing them. He actively seeks out favorable matches of marriage for them, far beyond what any other lord outside a great house could expect. All his sons are given educated in the martial arts common to the day and outfitted in expensive armor as befits knights and appropriate skills taught to his daughters. And he aggressively pursues positions with powerful houses for his sons and grandsons to be fostered with. Walder cares about his family a lot. Regardless if this sentiment is born out of either self-preservation, pride or familiarity. The reason the Red Wedding happened in the first place is because Walder was insulted by the perceived insult that Robb thought he was too good for one of his daughters. This is even more evident in the books where many of his family members are terrified by the prospect of his death following the death of his first heir would continue his father's policy of looking after the entirety of his House.
I suspect that the main line is the one that gets most of the equipment. Walder has so many sons that he probably doesn't care if they have decent gear. I only imagine only those within the direct line of succession are given protection.
Truely love this scene, it shows nikolaj and his acting range. At one point in the episode he has a heartwarming reunion with brienne of Tarth, and some time later almost callously threatens to launch the lord of Tully’s baby at the castle walls so he can go back to Cersei. Portraying a character with almost two sides must be extremely difficult!
He seems like an adept fucker too. He got cersei pregnant four times. You have to wonder how many children they would have had together before she died in child birth instead of what happened to her in season 8. He would have to make do with someone else in his family after that.
Now, i understand Edmure was not sharpest tool in the shed and that the Blackfish couldn't afford to being intimidated whilst he was holding the castle, but Edmure is not to blame for what happened at the red wedding. What could he do? Not get captured? He was literally busy consuming the marriage his nephew refused.
At the end of the shitty game of thrones S8 Edmure should have been king. He was the only logical choice. The only highborn and competent military commander left, loved by people of riverlands. It was such a terrible season after making us wait 2 years that it made the whole series unwatchable again and left an absolute bitter taste in all the fan's mouths.
Blackfish didn't blame edmure for the red wedding. The books make it clear they were bringing him to the castle gates and threatening to kill him every day and never followed through so blackfish was unphased by it. This is why Jaime does that whole thing about threatening black walder and then following through with smacking him if he continues to talk, because only a fool makes empty threats, notice also he does this all this theatrics in front of Edmure whose baby son he is going to threaten in the next scene. He wants demure to know that when he threatens to send his son in a trebuchet, he means it
We haven't seen Jaime talk like this since the first couple seasons. Back when he was still kind of a douchebag. Now that he's changed a bit, hearing him tell off the Frey's is just great to watch. Especially that golden pimp slap 😆
1:30 - "What did he say?" "I have no idea, he's up on the walls of a castle on a field across from us". "I imagine he's going to down to surrender the castle now, so we should wait around".
@@nooneshome8746 In the books, when he arrives at the siege he meets up with one of his homies, I think Little Jon? Anyway, they have a hilarious scene where his homie catches him up with all the goings on.
I'm so happy that they left the golden hand slap from AFFC. Pow! Love it. One of the best characters, it's a shame they kinda botched the end of the Riverlands story.
One of the best scenes from this season imo, tho i'm biased because Jaime's march across the Riverlands was one of my favorite parts of the book: he returned to the place he attacked, where he fought and was defeated only around a year earlier, but this time with the hard lessons learned from captivity and mutilation. He is able to pacify the Riverlands through diplomacy, never needing to fight a battle (and fulfilling part of his oath to Catelyn Stark, to "never again take up arms against Stark nor Tully') - and that to me shows how much he had grown as a character. Jaime in the books was really shaping up to be the great leader House Lannister needed to survive the Long Night and help establish a lasting peace in the Seven Kingdoms. Too bad the show threw it all away. I was high on copium while watching S8, thinking Jaime as Lord of Casterly Rock would rally the Westerlands banners to march North and later fight against Cersei, because after all the nobles and soldiers should've been more loyal to their lord who led them to victory in the Riverlands and the Reach, but I guess D&D kinda forgot about all that as usual.
Yeah in ADWD what stood out to me with Jaime was how understanding and considerate he was while in the Riverlands. Lady Sybell Spicer wanted all these awards for helping with the Red Wedding but upon seeing how sad Jenye Pool was, Jaime gave her a meager reward. When the Brackens sieged the Blackwoods, Jaime again only awarded meager things to the Brackens and was pretty diplomatic towards Lord Tytos Blackwood like not taking his beloved young daughter as a hostage. Not to mention the disdain he has for the Freys and trying to finish the last holdouts without bloodshed
The siege is on my (and my bro)command XD So funny how Bronn starts giving orders in front of the commander while he is saying that the siege is on his command. Bronn has an unique talent to make Lannisters trust him and see him as a bro not as friend but a bro (a status that gives him a privilege to joke around, make nasty sarcastic comments and not get killed because of that). Well Cersei is an exception the power of bro only works if you have the Y chromosome.
Cersei is an exception seeing as the actor/actress who played Bronn and Cersei apparently have a mortal hatred toward each other stemming from a bad break-up earlier in their lives, so bad the crew had to work to keep them separated from each other on set. I think the only scene they ever actually visibly share the screen with each other was early in season 3 when Cersei is leaving Tyrions chamber as Bronn is attempting to get in past the Kingsguard.
In the book, the Freys have been doing this "hanging" for so many days in a row that it's become an empty threat.
I loved that chapter, it was too funny
Daven Lannister made the Feast of Crows worth the read.
True true, compared to the others feast for crows is definitely my least favourite
I call it the Jaime Good Will Tour, when he goes around the country mopping up the rest of the war with some decent actions for the most part.
That's a great of putting it. thank you for that!
Finally the golden hand served its true purpose
BUY YOURSELF A GOLDEN HAND AND FUCK YOURSELF WITH IT
It saved his ass in Dorne too.
Gerry it is sped
That golden hand is probably worth so much you'd have to pay a silver stag to get slapped by it.
Only Cersei learned the true purpose of the golden hand
The fact that the Freys managed to keep control of the Riverlands for as long as they did is just amazing to me.
The people of the Riverlands weren’t really in a position to fight back. The situation in the Riverlands was dire at this point. Lannister forces had pillaged much of their opposition’s land while they were fighting. The Freys were left with one of the largest armies in the Riverlands, one of the better castles, and they are rich from the tolls they have charged to cross the river for the last couple hundred years. I know it’s easy to think they are really bad because most of the members of house Frey seem to be disgusting idiots, but they are quite powerful in the region.
@@bradleywesterman4439 well you will be the only powerful in the region when all other factions are basically wiped out or rendered to just a rabble.
@@bradleywesterman4439 the Freys were also backed by the Lannisters.
@@Datboy1991 you mean backhanded
Control is a strong word.
lol jaime showing up like FBI bullying the LAPD
Die Hard right?
😂😂😂
“Not anymore you’re not”
"My theory on the lannisters is that they are like mushrooms: feed them shit and keep them in the dark"
@@MMAKOTV but that's not faiiiirrr
It always irritated me how the show portrayed Edmure as a bumbling idiot just for the sake of being one, when in the books he was a capable leader, who just made bad choices because he wanted to protect all the people, even the peasants.
In the book, the only reason he missed the arrows for the funeral pyre was because he was severely drunk, from being up all night drinking & mourning his death. He also was crying and the tears were effecting his vision.
That's so much more interesting or compelling than these 1 dimensional side characters the show created
@@llewodcm20 you really should pick up the books on audible it's night and day difference.
It never made sense to me how they made a point of showing him missing for seemingly no reason.. like what was the point of that scene?.. was it supposed to be funny or something?
@@mrlegkick91 it's supposed to drive home the idea of Edmure as incapable and disappointing
@@TheGreatMaChao but why? Lol.. What purpose does that serve?
Fun fact, this is not the first time Jaime and Blackfish met. When Jaime was a boy, he came to Riverrun to dine with the Tullys. Blackfish was his hero, and Jaime begged Blackfish to tell him stories of him and Ser Barristan cutting through the Golden Company.
JitoLibidoHTS Thats what makes this so great
StannyBWrath not of Ser Barristan. The Blackfish himself fought and won great fame in the War of the Ninepenny Kings. I don't think he told Jaime of just Barristan and Maelys. He probably shared his own exploits with Jaime.
Jamie's father and two uncles fought in that war as well. Tywin was actually knighted after it.
Nate Jenkins Tywin was never knighted.
You are wrong, my lord. Tywin Lannister was a knight as far back as during the War of the Ninepenny Kings.
Good thing his hand is well strapped on. How awkward would it have been if he'd slapped him and his hand just flung off.
Quintinius good one haha
*Slaps Frey
“Now go and get it”
After Bronn tore it off and smacked him in the head with it while training I’m sure Jaime made sure that sucker was strapped on tight.😁
I was thinking the same exact thing
@@TheGabeOfGabes hahahahahahaha damn
1:02 Blackfish: or maybe im wondering why someone would hang a man before cutting his throat.
i supposed that hanging is more painfull, if your neck doesnt break since the begining
No One cared who I was until I put on the face.
+Lee Morris For you
I get the reference
they'll expect at least one of us in the parley.
Go to admit. No matter what you think of Jamie Lannister, the man knows how to keep his pimp hand strong.
Step 1: Get it cut off
Step 2: Replace it with gold
Step 3: Slllllllllllll-AP
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these r facts
Damn
0:12 "Why are these pigs so close to the front lines?"
"Ser Jaime, please! Show respect to the Frey officers!"
oatmealboy6 frey officers... ha, it sounds funny
"Were loading the trebuchet's with pig shit. An old man came by earlier and sold us books on how to conduct a siege."
Bronn: "Last time I saw him, he sold jars of pig shit."
oatmealboy6 I lol'd
actually pigs were frequently used in the Middle Ages during the capture of a city or a fort. We poured oil on them then we lit the fire and we released them in the city, panicked because of the fire the pigs run incessantly causing panic among the enemy army
Piggy Frey Officers 🤣
"Because you didn't set a proper perimeter! You just allowed 8,000 men to approach unchallenged."
Such wise words from a cunning strategist! I'm sure Jaime would never commit a gross mistake like this.
*Then, due to the lack of sentries and outriders, Jaime is caught flat-footed by 100,000 mounted dothraki screamers and a goddamn dragon
I kind of hate to say this but in the books Jaime had outriders and scouts ranging for miles after being surprised and captured by Robb Stark.
I still love watching the show. I have never read a book that was adapted into an accurate screenplay with the possible exception of Gone With the Wind.
It's possible that the Dothraki had forward rangers too, killing scouts and pickets. Plus, given how fast the Dothraki moved it would be hard for the scouts to get ahead of them to report in. It's not like they had cell phones or portable radio's.
Clint Davis
Where have you read that? Dany hasn't invaded Westeros in the books, and Jamie certainly isn't leading any army.
He's referring to being ambushed by Robb at Whispering Wood.
rob denini This mistakes by the Freys was way worse.They know they besieging their beloved liege lord's castle and how the rest of the riverlands despises them and how at any minute any of those houses could come and relieve the siege.Jaime on the otherhand had no knowledge of dany even being in mainland westeros.
Rest in P.I.E.
Engimato Proto-Indo-European?
Pan Island Expressway
Engimato Penis-In-Eunich?
😂😂😂
Pastries-Industries-of-Essos?
at 2:34 after the slap, Jaime sounds exactly like his father.
asshat Damn you're right
Good spot. That's really subtle, but you can easily picture Tywin saying the same words with the same inflections.
asshat Damn, I never noticed that, but you're absolutely right. Really shows Nikolaj Coster-Waldau's acting skills.
That's exactly what he was thinking in the book
I’ve seen this episode a dozen times and I never noticed until I read your comment. Good shit 👍🏼
Such a badass. Reminded me of Tywin.
you are so right
He lacks the intelligence of Tywin though.
Quetzalcoatl he was not talking about in general but rather right at this instance he seemed just like his father. jamie has a long way to go till he reaches tywins age. im sure he could grow wise just like his father in 20 30 years
Quetzalcoatl actuality, military speaking, after he loses his hand he becomes as capable as Tywin, at least in the books
But Tywin's not a badass.. he never does anything himself, except know how to manipulate, using threat and powers. Jamie Though is a badass.. Or he was with both hands, but is slowly becoming the knight his "Mentor" wanted him to be.. And not the smiling knight he was in the first 2 seasons. But a Badass actually needs to have skill at his hands to be named such. Tywin did not, Jamie does ;) (or did)
That Golden Pimp Hand tho
That HAD to hurt.
I like how Bronn easily starts taking command at 2:57
even though he didn't want to Jamie was right the guys knows what's he's doing
The810kid
Gaunter 'O' Dimm on the Lannister side or altogether?
altogether, IMO
NO_FUN_ALLOWED top 3 are Blackfish, Jaime and Bronn. I would personally place Blackfish at the top.
we have lord EDMUUUUUUUUUUUUUOOOORE
lol
gaarasand28 They have lord Edmuuuuuuuuuure!!
Its pronounced *edmewww* plebian
@@AqwDragulum w h e e z e
Edmure: I have a mill.
Freys: We have lord Edmure
Janos Slynt: I have friends at court
If Jaime did not show up and the Freys had to do this alone...who else think their army would have starved long before any men in the keep died?
look at that bunch of peasants... they cant do shit, Blackfish should have sneaked out in the middle of the night and fucked them bloody.
Sorry, but the Freys are actually way smarter than that. They just don't dress up to show it, but they were only following a 'diplomatic' approach due to King Landing's orders. If they were free to do as they willed, the keep would be dead meat within days.
Smarter doesn't help against a heavily-fortified fortress with a massive supply of food. Sieging castles in the medieval era tended to be a question about forcing a surrender after months or years, whereas assaults tended to be disasters. And Riverrun is described as having the Trident cutting the land around it into 3 distinct pieces which each need to be defended to properly siege the castle. Even without a large army, they likely had the defenders to man the walls at least since so many of the allies of the Freys and Lannisters in the Riverlands were natural enemies of other noble houses with everything to lose if they abandoned the Tully cause.
Walder Frey was smart because of his political savvy, not his military victories. And Walder Frey wasn't at the siege. Plus the only Frey he had much confidence in was Black Frey, one of his bastard sons, whereas most of his natural children didn't exactly inspire him with confidence.
Half of the Frey army would set up an ambush, and accidentally attack and kill the other half. In an attempt to learn from their mistake, they would do the same thing the next day. And then the next. And the next. By day five, the 10 remaining Frey men, hardened by four consecutive and successful ambush attacks, would charge the fortress.
Give me command of the frets forces and I could work some
Magic, maybe start catapoulting rotting corpses into
Their walls to start with.
Byrnden Tully: Go on then, cut his throat. * Walks away*
Edmure Tully: Bruh
He knew they wouldn't do it.
Empty threats wont work on Blackfish.
Also threatening to kill someone ahead of you in the line of succsession is more a gift than a threat
Not only that but in the books they did that at least 3 times a day. For 2 week. Also if u notice when hes says hell cut his thoat that edmures doing a slight nod to the blackfish to surrender. Edmure tully the lord who surrended the riverlands after thousands of years to save his own skin.
Skull Hunter
oh come on in the books he only surrendered because jaime threatened to kill his child and reduce the damn castle too ruin . It took literally that for him to break .
And if you know jaime and the bannisters you know that he isn't above killing children and destroying ancestral castles .
Stormbringer i suppose so
Jamie: And what did we learn here?
Frey: *Sigh*... Never make threats you're not prepared to follow through on. If the enemy calls your bluff, you're fucked.
Jamie: Very good!
Edmure was their most valuable bargaining chip. He was too valuable to kill and the Blackfish knew it. The Freys are (well, were...) fucking morons. The Red Wedding was a brilliant trap but it's pretty clear that it was all Tywin's idea.
MrClickity In the books. The Red wedding was mainly planned by Tywin, Roose, and Lame Lothar, who is actually an cunning, intelligent man. Nothing like in the show.
@@ThaYoungChad Lame Lothar? I always thought that term for him meant he was dim witted.
@@philippeblais8594 I looked up the character and it says that he's called that because his leg was twisted at birth
@@ethanfrank670 I bet GRRM copied that title from Timurlane who had the title of limp leg
In the books it was Red Walder Frey who commanded the Frey siege, and his only qualification was having been fostered by the Lannisters, having been on their side the entire 5 Kings war, and being married to Tywin's sister. Since he was positioned to be given Riverrun when it fell, presumably entirely because he married a Lannister, he also refused to use siege weapons against the walls, thus all the pageantry with forcing a surrender.
In the books Black Walder Frey was actually kind of a bad ass. He fought on the side of the Stark's up until the betrayal, he scaled the walls at a keep the Stark's took, was part of planning the red wedding, and even positioned his alcoholic, brain damaged, cousin to lure Lord Umber into a drinking contest in hopes of disabling the huge man without a fight. It failed, but the planning were there.
I also low-key loved the way so many Frey children had been named Walder and Walda that they had to start color coding them.
Blackfish dying like he did was a god damn travesty. HBO could have done so much better.
Crafter1992 He should have escaped to fight against. If he had to die, we should have seen him go down.
However, they still have to watch their spending. Battle of the Bastards and Slavers Bay wasn't cheap after all.
Ryan Malcolm McGuinness a proper death scene wouldn't have been costly
Jon Snow lives True, but I'm playing Devils advocate here. I dinnae know why they made these choices but I'm certain they had reasons.
A lot of deaths in this show were a god damn travesty. Ned Stark, Ser Baristan, Syrio Forel, Oberyn Martell, and Shireen Baratheon are a few people collectively agree on. Not to sound critical, but this whole goddamn show is about individual god damn travesties.
I mean he is still alive in the books.
"Not...whatever this is"😂😂😂
The peasants from MONTY PYTHON.
I honestly feel that something similar to this would've happened had Tywin made to King's Landing just in time before Ned Stark was murdered. Had he arrived just in time, he would've stopped the entire process, sent Joffrey and Cersei back to the Red Keep screaming and kicking, had Sansa escorted back to her chambers, had Ned sent back to the cells ( but given a bath, food, and someone to look after his leg), and then later on, they would meet alone saying that he will take Ned to Riverrun and order Robb to stand down and exchange him for Jaime, and Sansa would be married to Joffrey, and Ned would get to go back to Winterfell, (he wouldn't even have to go to the wall in this AU). And Tywin would've assured Ned that he would not allow Joffrey to harm Sansa in any way seeing as how he'd be a puppet king. And if Joffrey got to outta hand, then Tywin would arrange for him to have an "accident" and then place Tommen on the throne.
(And also, Cersei's plan to send Ned to wall was pretty stupid seeing as how once they got up North, Yoren would've either let him and Arya go free, or the Northern lords would interceed and free him. And then once Ned Stark took over command of the army, the Lannisters would be truly fucked).
A lot of ifs and buts in your theory. However it is the most plausible had Tywin made it back in time
On the Night's Watch thing:
It wouldn't matter if anyone could have freed him. Eddard was honorable enough to keep his word.
They let him live, if he goes to the wall. And since they let him live, he would have gone to the wall, honored his bargain, and taken the black.
Eddard was a lot of things: kinda naive, stubborn, jealous of his dead brother... but he was rightly known as the most honorable man in the 7 kingdoms.
@@ThisAintAStupidName True, very true. But you forget one thing....they had Jaime. And Robb made it abundantly clear that they were NOT about to trade him for Sansa and Arya, no matter what. But they were willing to trade him for Ned. In fact, the day Ned was executed, was the day the raven arrived to the capital claiming they had the Kingslayer. What I'm saying is that even if Ned still went to the wall, the Northerners weren't about to let Jaime go, no matter how much the Lannisters offered Sansa back. So if Ned took the black, Robb would just go back to Winterfell, and he'd take Jaime with him
The way I see it, once they realized that the Lannisters let Ned go, they'd be thinking, "Idiots". Once they intercepted and freed him, Ned would tell Robb to go back to Winterfell and take Jaime with him so that they have all the leverage over Tywin. Then Ned would take command of the Northern army and proceed to kick Tywin Lannister's ass way harder then Robb did.
This is all rather wishful and should it have been so, the entire Show would not get past 2 or 3 seasons. Ned paid the ultimate price for the Show's longevity.
@@jasonvazquez8652 I like this approach better. Hahaha
Tyrion: Bronn, the next time Ser Merryn speaks, kill him. THAT was a threat, see the difference?
Jaime: *SLAPS*
All in the Lannisters.
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Technically with the way Tyrion worded that, Bronn needs to follow Meryn around and enforce a vow of silence on him for the rest of his life
@@djhuckfield honestly what he got was rightfully much worse
Right. Plus the way they both can tell when some punk needs slapping...
and this highlights a notable difference between Tyrion and Jamie. Tyrion talked big but he didn't back it up, Jamie did.
in the books it was Ser Boros, who immediately back talked him saying, "The Queen will hear of this!" and he was not killed.
Jaime's face at 2:17 - He's like... Is this sack 'o shit asking for it?
Yes, yes he was 😂😂😂
Notice how the other one tried to stop him though - he obviously had a MODICUM more sense than Mouthy McHandslap
Blackfish: "Go on then. Cut his throat." *walks away*
The Freys, a couple hundred feet away: "Uhh, what did he just say?"
The scene was well done for the Tullys. You can see Blackfish is upset by seeing his nephews life in danger but he knew their fates were sealed and was only fighting to go down fighting.
No cause in the books they did they hanging so much it became an empty threat
@@electronoob8970 probably a bit of both
Also nobody would ever trust the word of a Frey at this point. They committed the worst crime/sin in the world by breaking guest right and murdering the Starks and their bannermen, would you trust them not to murder you on the spot after yielding to them?
'It's a good thing we're friends or we'd be fucking you in the ass right now.'
Shit like this is why I love Bronn. Brutally honest, upfront and vulgar.
“-not whatever this is.”
Man that killed me when i think of how messy their “siege” is. Looks more like a peasant rebellion.
It is a mess and not even truly blockading Riverrun. The reason why the castle is so hard to besiege and take is because it's surrounded by water on all three sides, making attacking it head-on impossible without sustaining massive casualties and to stand any chance of cutting it off completely, you'd need to split your army to hold all three shores.
@@samalvey8168its alright just funny how they do it poorly regardless
I can totally see this as a westeros version of
"I'm the chief of police I run this.
Not anymore you don't, this is an FBI matter.
Your not in charge either!
What on who's authority?
Homeland security."
Lol and on and on it goes
Hot Shots Part Deux did the funniest version with a simple letter from the president: "You're out. They're in."
It's a shame the show didn't set the scene in the book where Jaime hits Red Connington in the face with his golden hand, after discovering that Connington insulted Brienne when she was younger and gave her a rose saying she was the only one thing she would have of him - for Connington had already been Brienne's suitor (and so she hates roses). It's one of the few moments in the book where we don't see any sarcastic thoughts from Jaime, he was really pissed that Connington was a part of something so traumatic in Brienne's life. And if there was this scene, it would be much more iconic.
They deleted his aunt too they did not mention her in the show
I wanted to hear more of garlan tyrell
I love how Jaime is being so kind helping tenderize the meat for Arya's pie
Honestly, in Blackfish's position, I would have ordered my crossbowmen to put a few bolts into Lothar and Black Walder. They're clearly in range, undefended, unarmored. And given how shit their army is, killing them would clearly dissolve the siege right there.
al Mamlūk But if they miss or shot Edmure? He can't take that risk.
@@kemalkatrc3457 not sure he cares a whole lot about edmure overall, he's technically the heir i think but that only matters so much
Crossbows are not guns. They are not that accurate.
@@mangofangoe315 true but if you have a bunch of men blanket fire the area you'll kill the lot. Edmure is only important in theory anyways
Blackfish didn't necessarily want Edmure dead. He was just prepared to let him be killed as he had resolve. Something the Frey's clearly lacked. Else Edmure would be dead already. By this point firing on the Frey's was MORE danger to Edmure than the Frey's themselves and certainly whilst entertaining Blackfish was fine and would have won if Lannisters hadn't shown up who showed up of course because it was an embarrassing rebellion to the capital and might inspire others to decide local politics for themselves. Now I don't know re book Frey's but show Frey's were hardly respected by anyone except for the Neck control and Old Walder Frey's cunning.
If only Jamie and Tyrion properly teamed up. Them two and Bronn would make an awesome team
Blackwolf98 The Lanisters should have never let Tyrion go. They gave a skilled leader to their largest rival.
+Will Chao
I like that. Plus, it seems to be well on it's way to happening. Jaime is off to join Tyrion's team. Bronn likely won't stay long with Cersei's crazy ass.
no it would be brains bronn and charisma
brain , bronn and bitchslap ?
I want to watch that show. they could add Brienne and Pod too
2:34 The golden backhand and Bronn's smirk right after!
This was straight up Tywin coming out of Jamie in this scene. Letting someone complete their stupidness before you correct them, the sternness in his voice. Reminds me when Tywin forces his guards to put the prisoners to work at Harrenhal.
Honestly, I think Edmure is underrated. He is easily overlooked in comparison with the rest of his family, but credit where credit's due, he handled himself quite bravely here. He obviously didn't want to die, but nevertheless kept some measure of dignity, not pleading for his life with either his words or his eyes.
Well, you have to remember Edmure had been threatened like this for a couple weeks by House Frey at this point. We don’t know how he reacted initially, but I could see him being somewhat stoic even on the first threat. Jaime threatened to storm the castle with rivermen, the men of house Frey, and then the Jaime’s men to maximise the casualties faced by the people of the Riverlands, but Jaime also threatened him with "When the castle falls, all those inside will be put to the sword. Your herds will be butchered, your godswood will be felled, your keeps and towers will burn. I'll pull your walls down, and divert the Tumblestone over the ruins. By the time I'm done no man will ever know that a castle once stood here."..."You'll want your child, I expect. I'll send him to you when he's born. With a trebuchet." It makes sense that Edmure would surrender Riverrun, and I don’t blame him much for it. This would’ve been Jaime’s Rains of Castamere moment.
Yeah, what did he do wrong exactly? He fucked up a battle because the Starks never told him their strategy and he is kind of bad at archery. That's it.
@@bradleywesterman4439 that's riverrun? Why does it look so small? Isn't riverrun supposed to be a town or some shit?
@@thanman6584 The castles are never very accurate to their book descriptions it’s just not really practical unfortunately, but that is indeed the show’s interpretation of Riverrun. Though to be fair to them the seat of house Tully is one of the smaller castles especially for the great houses. I would imagine only house Arryn has a smaller castle. All in all I thought this version wasn’t too bad… it could’ve been worse like the tragedy that was Highgarden.
@@thanman6584I cut the show a lot of slack when it comes to its depictions of things like castles and dragons. It’s just not practical to make them to look like they do in the book. It’s all well and good for George RR Martin to describe grand and incredible fortresses and beasts, but to actually make them in live action is an incredibly difficult and expensive endeavour.
That’s a heavy ass gauntlet slap. That dude saw all the stars and the faces of his ancestors snickering at how hard he just got fucking smacked.
I hope Edmure and Roslin meet again before the series ends.
Tywin would’ve been proud of Jaimie if he saw this
Jaimie should get a new hand made out of Valyrian steel. He should make his primary weapon.
hova mkay would’ve been cool to make him a hand with a sword attached so he could’ve kept using his right hand in battle and trained the left one for when he’s not prepared to put on the right hand.
To karete chop white walkers
Perhaps a sword like in Willow.
@@alphagamer9505 Holy fuck! That’d be badass! I’m now imagining someone with Dragon Glass or Valarian Steel chains just whipping through the White Walkers.
@@alphagamer9505 Word!!!
Why do the Freys look like shit? I know walder has about a million sons but can't he actually give them somewhat decent equipment?
You'd think a family who became rich through taxes and plenty of agricultural land would look better than Northerners who have less to work with. I thought his sons and daughters were always peasants working in the castle before Walder said he had a load of children.
Budget
Short answer: It makes them look filthy and pathetic, which is what the producers wants us to think of them as.
Long answer: Walder Frey does in fact not give a single flying fuck about his sons, he didn't bother to educate them properly as far as we know. Also, for a feudal lord, after like your third or fourth son, the rest of them are more of a liability than anything else. He would probably prefer them dead than well dressed.
Though Rambard is entirely correct in regard to his first answer, the reason they look and dress like that is thematic. It's typical Hollywood ignorance that everyone in the medieval world dressed in black and was always covered in dirt. Even in the show, the Freys are a very wealthy house and Walder Frey still dresses like a hobo.
Rambard in respect to his second point is totally wrong.
Walder Frey cares about his family more than anything. He stresses family loyalty above everything else, he makes sure all the members of his family have a place in his home, which is something he's under no obligation to do and he provides for all his bastards which is something most lords don't do because they share blood with him and that's important to him.
He takes interest in his children's personalities, talents, and exploits. As well as lamenting their failures and scolding them harshly but never punishing them.
He actively seeks out favorable matches of marriage for them, far beyond what any other lord outside a great house could expect. All his sons are given educated in the martial arts common to the day and outfitted in expensive armor as befits knights and appropriate skills taught to his daughters. And he aggressively pursues positions with powerful houses for his sons and grandsons to be fostered with.
Walder cares about his family a lot. Regardless if this sentiment is born out of either self-preservation, pride or familiarity. The reason the Red Wedding happened in the first place is because Walder was insulted by the perceived insult that Robb thought he was too good for one of his daughters.
This is even more evident in the books where many of his family members are terrified by the prospect of his death following the death of his first heir would continue his father's policy of looking after the entirety of his House.
I suspect that the main line is the one that gets most of the equipment. Walder has so many sons that he probably doesn't care if they have decent gear. I only imagine only those within the direct line of succession are given protection.
Truely love this scene, it shows nikolaj and his acting range. At one point in the episode he has a heartwarming reunion with brienne of Tarth, and some time later almost callously threatens to launch the lord of Tully’s baby at the castle walls so he can go back to Cersei. Portraying a character with almost two sides must be extremely difficult!
Bronn's face is wonderful to watch during this entire bit. My favorite part is how never, not once, does he look for a moment surprised.
Finally that hand was useful for something.
House Frey
Words: "We're the most disgusting and ugliest house there is"
brooo
Jaime's armour rocks
I love this scene. Jaime is such a boss. Witty, funny and smart.
He seems like an adept fucker too. He got cersei pregnant four times. You have to wonder how many children they would have had together before she died in child birth instead of what happened to her in season 8. He would have to make do with someone else in his family after that.
His name is black Walder the one that gets slapped
There is a reason why shouldn't name your food
GoT logic:
Edmure is hostage = soldiers are like "fuck him"
Edmure is freed = soldiers want to abandon Blackfish
Edmure as hostage-Not in charge
Free Edmure-Rightful lord.
It's more complicated in the books though
Now, i understand Edmure was not sharpest tool in the shed and that the Blackfish couldn't afford to being intimidated whilst he was holding the castle, but Edmure is not to blame for what happened at the red wedding. What could he do? Not get captured? He was literally busy consuming the marriage his nephew refused.
I think you mean consummating his marriage. He wasn't going to eat his marriage ;)
@@chrismarcellus6933 Right! My bad, the two words are similar - but I mean, he could have, tho...
I'm sure the Blackfish knew it was an empty threat. In the book, the Freys did that hanging threat every single day.
At the end of the shitty game of thrones S8 Edmure should have been king. He was the only logical choice. The only highborn and competent military commander left, loved by people of riverlands. It was such a terrible season after making us wait 2 years that it made the whole series unwatchable again and left an absolute bitter taste in all the fan's mouths.
Blackfish didn't blame edmure for the red wedding. The books make it clear they were bringing him to the castle gates and threatening to kill him every day and never followed through so blackfish was unphased by it. This is why Jaime does that whole thing about threatening black walder and then following through with smacking him if he continues to talk, because only a fool makes empty threats, notice also he does this all this theatrics in front of Edmure whose baby son he is going to threaten in the next scene. He wants demure to know that when he threatens to send his son in a trebuchet, he means it
The last not-bad season of Game Of Thrones. This scene was great, Jamie somehow felt realer than ever in it and his acting was great
Because its mostly lifted right from the book.
@@tbeller80 good point lol
generally when people say "you think I won't do it", they've told you that they won't do it.
2:35 You'd think if Jaime hit him hard enough, he'd lose some teeth considering just received a backhand of gilded steel.
Gilded?? I’m appalled.. the Lannisters do not shop at the walmart. Nothing less than 24k solid gold. Harumph 😤
Jaime's learned a lot from Tywinn.....good job sir! such a badass!!!!
We haven't seen Jaime talk like this since the first couple seasons. Back when he was still kind of a douchebag. Now that he's changed a bit, hearing him tell off the Frey's is just great to watch. Especially that golden pimp slap 😆
2:23 LOL! My fav Jamie scene.
Jamie in Riverlands is awesome, I loved every minute of that siege! Now it's time for his battle and glory
So, 4 years later, how do we feel about his battle and glory?
Jaime lannister was one of the best characters
Too bad they butchered him with shit writing.
Jaime: Did you even really understand anything you just said?
Bronn: Not a thing. But it sounded fancy and it worked, didn't it?
"Its a neat little trick you do. You open your mouth and your fathers voice comes out."
I love how Bronn knew exactly what was about to happen, & just laughed when it did 🤣
Jaime really channeld Tywin here.
1:30 - "What did he say?"
"I have no idea, he's up on the walls of a castle on a field across from us".
"I imagine he's going to down to surrender the castle now, so we should wait around".
Those two guys ended up in the pie, right?
Docktor Jim "They weren't easy to carve. Especially Black Walder."
@@SamIAmSXE I wish we saw arya killing at least one of them but I guess it would've spoiled the pie surprise.
They're HERE my lord.
The seige is under my CAH-MAUND!
Freys are the most worthless house, good to see them collapse
Jaime has become my favorite character
He slapped him with the right hand. THE RIGHT BLOODY GOLDEN HAND!!! XD that must really hurt
This scene never gets old. The books are even more entertaining.
What happened in the books?
@@nooneshome8746 It's not only Jaime in that scene. There are two more Lannisters who add insult to the Frey's.
@@nooneshome8746 In the books, when he arrives at the siege he meets up with one of his homies, I think Little Jon? Anyway, they have a hilarious scene where his homie catches him up with all the goings on.
The moment you realize the Golden hand had more purpose and power than the GoLdEn cOmPaNy. LOL.
Don't be so hard on the Freys, Jaime! Remember the last time you laid siege to Riverrun? No? KING IN THE NORTH!
I'm so happy that they left the golden hand slap from AFFC. Pow! Love it. One of the best characters, it's a shame they kinda botched the end of the Riverlands story.
“Yield the castle, or i cuh ‘is froat!”
#JusticeForEdmure ✊😔
One of the best scenes from this season imo, tho i'm biased because Jaime's march across the Riverlands was one of my favorite parts of the book: he returned to the place he attacked, where he fought and was defeated only around a year earlier, but this time with the hard lessons learned from captivity and mutilation. He is able to pacify the Riverlands through diplomacy, never needing to fight a battle (and fulfilling part of his oath to Catelyn Stark, to "never again take up arms against Stark nor Tully') - and that to me shows how much he had grown as a character. Jaime in the books was really shaping up to be the great leader House Lannister needed to survive the Long Night and help establish a lasting peace in the Seven Kingdoms. Too bad the show threw it all away.
I was high on copium while watching S8, thinking Jaime as Lord of Casterly Rock would rally the Westerlands banners to march North and later fight against Cersei, because after all the nobles and soldiers should've been more loyal to their lord who led them to victory in the Riverlands and the Reach, but I guess D&D kinda forgot about all that as usual.
Yeah in ADWD what stood out to me with Jaime was how understanding and considerate he was while in the Riverlands. Lady Sybell Spicer wanted all these awards for helping with the Red Wedding but upon seeing how sad Jenye Pool was, Jaime gave her a meager reward. When the Brackens sieged the Blackwoods, Jaime again only awarded meager things to the Brackens and was pretty diplomatic towards Lord Tytos Blackwood like not taking his beloved young daughter as a hostage. Not to mention the disdain he has for the Freys and trying to finish the last holdouts without bloodshed
One thing is definitely true about the blackfish: beware of old man in a profession where men die young
I love how bronn just laughing in the background. Like he told you he'd slap you.😂
Jamie may be many things, but he isn't a coward
Goddamn the Frey's had superhuman hearing.
Everything about the show was unpredictable even him loosing his hand.
One of the few times Jamie behaved like his father would've
That's how Season 1-2 Jaime would've behaved.
"I don't give a rat's a-"
CLONK
That ladies and gentleman is a broken nose
One of the best characters in any tv show in a long time. Shame the writers stopped caring.
So the Golden Lion and the Jackal of the Blackwater told the Freys: "quiet your gibbering, monkeys, we've got to deal with the Trout in their castle."
"Yield the castle!"
Blackfish: *seen*
this actor took a sword to the head from Liam neeson in the movie Kingdom of Heaven lol
This siege was one of the funniest chapters in the book series
The way that Jaime and Bronn roll their eyes at each other, lol.
That wall has DOZENS of arrow loops, and ever single archer has chosen to instead stick his whole upper body into danger rather than use one.
The siege is on my (and my bro)command XD
So funny how Bronn starts giving orders in front of the commander while he is saying that the siege is on his command.
Bronn has an unique talent to make Lannisters trust him and see him as a bro not as friend but a bro (a status that gives him a privilege to joke around, make nasty sarcastic comments and not get killed because of that).
Well Cersei is an exception the power of bro only works if you have the Y chromosome.
Cersei is an exception seeing as the actor/actress who played Bronn and Cersei apparently have a mortal hatred toward each other stemming from a bad break-up earlier in their lives, so bad the crew had to work to keep them separated from each other on set.
I think the only scene they ever actually visibly share the screen with each other was early in season 3 when Cersei is leaving Tyrions chamber as Bronn is attempting to get in past the Kingsguard.
I wish Jamie would golden-hand slap Negan from the Walking Dead.
I love that closup on the suppressed smirk/laugh @ 1:45
That they could hear the Blackfish grunt 'Go on then.... ' from that distance is genuinely impressive.
With the golden hand
Man... I really want Jaime to be like Tywin
Always loved the actor for blackfish. Especially because he stars in 13th warrior too.
slapping him with a golden hand hahaha, it's so extra and petty i love it
We haave Lord Edmiiiiuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure!