FSX Tutorial | Reading Approach Charts 101
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- How on earth do I read these approach charts?! They are a little simpler than you might think. Here we take a look at the most pertinent information for a Virtual Airline Pilot that can be found on an approach chart, and we get a nice view of two different types.
AirNav provides free PDF charts for the United States
www.airnav.com/
Navigraph has a subscription to Lido charts which cover the majority of the globe.
www.navigraph.com/ 
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![Jeppesen Approach Plates - [Bried an Approach Chart Like an Airline Pilot].](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/34c0chbUzXU/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks for uploading in 1080p. It makes seeing these charts so much easier because every detail counts
My pleasure. Glad you like the video.
+Captain_Mac,
The distances and feet next to runway information is used to check your altitude while on a constant descent. Lets say you begin your descent at dme 10.8 (shown by D) and maintain 650 fpm descent at 120kts ground speed, then at 4 nm if your at 1820 then your good, but if your below that then you would be below minimums at missed approach point.
Also in lido charts, D is the point where you begin constant descent (used by Medium or heavy aircrafts), F is used for final approach fix(non precision approaches) and P is used for Final approach point( for precision approaches). So for this approach the final approach point, P, is at d7.7 and 3000ft where you intercept the glide slope.
Hi,
As I am working for Lido in the chart production i might answer some questions you have from minute 20 on.
This chart is an ILS or LOC chart. So that means you can also use it for an localizer approach without glideslope.The DME/altitude table as you said right is for checking your altitude at different DME distances. In the box on the right side of the table there is written: LOC 3.05° and below D ICWJ. This means for the Localizer only part the approach angle is 3.05° and the DME refence is ICWJ, the ILS/DME. So the values make sense. The 4 miles you mentioned is DME 4 from IJCW not from the threshold. So DME 4 ICWJ is around 2 miles from the threshold because the DME is at the end of the runway and the threshold itself is at DME 2.1. So as you have no glide slope indication during an LOC approach it is quite helpful to check the altitude every mile to see if you are to high or too low.
When flying an approach the distance between waypoints on final is not very imporant. Do it like this: Tune in the ILS, then you get your DME distance, then fly the approach and check:
"At DME XXX start descent, At DME XXX altitude should be YYY, At DME XXX altitude should be YYY." This is actually monitored by the pilot not flying, and spoken out loud during the approach. Airline procedures differ, but the base is the same. At every check altitude you mention also if you are too high or too low or on glide:
"At DME XXX altitude should be YYY, 100 feet high/80 feet low/on glide" for example.
Distance between waypoints on final is not very important even if it sounds strange. When you fly and check your DME instrument you get a value not a delta between to values. So also on our profile in the top part you can see the DME values for every fix that is imporant for the approach. You see the value in your cockpit and on the chart and check your altitude with the value on the chart. Easy ;)
Another thing: The 3.05° is an angle calculated by our database, this is why its not the same as the 3° glide slope. As a general rule: All values that are calculated by us are displayed in italic font. All values that are given in the official published source charts like the AIP are normal font. As we sometimes display more or different things we need to implement our values from our database. This can also be the case for DME distances or altitudes. On this chart for example two times in the profile:
Where the D is, the descent point the DME distance reads 10.8 in italic, that means this point was not given in the official published chart, but calculated by us, because we calculate all non precision approaches for constant descent use.
And all check altitudes in the DME/altitude table are also italic, that means our profile tool has calculated them. Not really useful information for you, but nice to know maybe ;)
The P on the profile is the final approach point. GP stands for glide path. MDA is almost correct, it is only valid for the Loclizer approach, the non precision part. For the ILS you dont have a MDA, you have a DA, decision altitude instead. TERPS stand for terminal instrument procedures, its a US specific term. TCH is threshold crossing height and AMND No is ammendment number, this has something to do with the data validity on the US charts. When you look to the profile, left to where MDA is written on the threshold, there is a small box with 55 written in it, this is the threshold crossing hight, standard for ILS approaches is 50 ft.
Also another thing to mention: the whole planview is to scale, actually all our planviews are to scale if not mentioned otherwise.
Sorry for the information overkill, if you have any further questions, please dont hesitate to ask them =)
Regards,
Alex
chloratum, in my world you are now famous! :-) No need to apologize for the extensive information. I love the LIDO charts and I am greatly appreciative for the additional information. I will certainly refer back to your comment often. Thank you for taking the time to share with us.
You are welcome ;) I just saw that you also have some Q400 videos online. If you need any more info about this baby you can also ask, once upon a time i flew this beauty...
I'll keep that in mind. Maybe you could take a look at my cold and dark start tutorial on the Q400 and let me know if there are any mistakes? :-)
I am quite busy this weeks but I will do it ;)
Meanwhile, here our Q400 checklist, front and backside:
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As the company is not existing anymore you can basically download it, print it, use it for youtube or whatever without having to worry about copyrights ;) There are several ways to operate an aircraft, but this checklist is quite good I think. And as always, if you have questions about how to use it or anything else, feel free to ask ;)
Thanks! :-) I'll take a look at those. I'll look forward to hearing from you regarding that tutorial. You can email me as well if you like. pilotandpastor@yahoo.com Thanks again for all the information.
The landing distance starts at the runway threshold. The aiming point, the two solid lines that are usually called the "1000 footers," are where the GS is usually referenced to.
Thanks for the info 😊
Finally! I've been searching for a while now for someone to do this kind of area-by-area breakdown in a way my mind could understand it. The lido charts seem pretty intuitive once they've been explained clearly, but it's nice to know for sure! Thank you so much for making this video, and I'm glad I've found another awesome flight sim youtuber!
Thank you for the compliment! Im really glad you like the video. Let me know if there is anything else you would like to see.
+Captain_Mac I'm really enjoying your Life of a Virtual Airline Pilot series. I think it might be inspiring me to apply for PVA, it really looks like a complete blast :)
Excellent! It really is a lot of fun. I have a great time with it.
Great video! I still find the LIDO charts a bit perplexing; they do look 'nicer', but the layout feels less intuitive to me compared to the Jeppesen charts. Anyway, I'm posting to say that the middle table discussed at around 20:42 is a profile & distance / altitude table for non-precision approaches, and gives the distance and altitudes for an advisory constant descent angle.
The table is right-to-left or left-to-right, depending on the orientation of the approach & runway in the chart plan above. Here, the first line of the far-right box says we have an LOC approach with a CDA of 3.05%. The second line tells us the distant reference point is ICWJ, the ILS/DME for R26. In this case, the DME is on the *other side* of the runway, which of course is about 2.2 miles long. So based on the table, you're not 700 feet above the ground four miles from the runway threshold - you're 700 feet above the ground four miles from the DME - so you're about 1.8 miles to the threshold.
HTH!
Really enjoy your style of commentary on all of your videos, Captain. Easily my favorite flight sim youtuber. Keep it up man.
Thanks Anthony! That means a great deal to me; I'm glad you enjoy the videos...now go tell all your friends LOL.
What are these friends you mention?
Anthony Hansel LOL
thanks! your video is good for learning about LiDo chart.
LOVE! this channel
+Captain Jacobs thanks! That means a great deal to me :-)
Just came across this, it’s not too long at all, there’s a ton of info to review.
So, *basically*, I like it. ;-) Basically.
Well, basically, thanks :-)
The Navigraph chart has the min safe alt shown :) see the 62, 58, and 48 in red???? :) look at the jeppsen and compare :).
Shakermt HA! Good eye! Not sure how I missed that. Thanks!
+Captain_Mac First, thanks for taking the time making this vid. Now, just to add to what Shakermt posted:
Both charts have indeed the radials dividing the sectors BUT where the map on the left uses inbound radials, the map on the right uses outbound radials. On the left, add/subtract 180 degrees from the radials r010, r160 and r280 and you get the radials printed on the red lines going from PXR on the map to the right (r190, r340, r100).
Hi,
The Approach Charts use Elevation Altitude or Mean Sea Level as a field Alitude?
MSL
A little long??? :) it was under 30 min so it was short for your vids :) Great info, nicely done.
Ive always flown by sight not measurements or charts.... i currently have to use my mouse for controling the plane and it would help alot if i knew how to read my speed height and all that stuff that ATC tells you...i want to be very realistic not half assed...
+Game Thogic I understand your point...is there something you would like from me that you think will help?
If you aren't flying an ILS approach where the plane will descend on its own, how do you know what your rate of descent should be?
This is a little difficult to explain in a comment but I'll try. On the Lido Chart, just to the right of the little runway diagram, those boxes tell you what altitude you should be at when you are a certain distance from the ILS transmitter. So at 10.8 miles you are supposed to be at 4000 feet and at 5 miles you are supposed to be at 2140 feet. This is your descent path. On the FAA chart you have similar information found in the profile view. You are given the precise distance between each waypoint as well as the distance from each waypoint to the ILS transmitter. And each waypoint has an assigned altitude...even if it is an "at or above" etc...
I hope this helps. I actually mention this in a bunch of my videos when doing approach briefings.
Excellent! Thank you!
How do I print the charts and approach plates on SkyVector?
Save them as a PDF file and then print them as you would any other PDF
DOES AIR TRAFFIC HAVE THE UPDATED FIX?????
I tried to save the sky vector chart by left clicking on the phoenix chart and can't save it. I tried right click no luck. I looked all around the site and can't locate as to how to save it so I can print it.
Can you give me more steps to accomplish this task? Thanks!
Are you referring to the Terminal Area Chart, the VFR Chart, or one of the Approach Plates?
@@CaptainMac VFR chart and also the app plates for Arizona. Thanks!
@@pbr2805 ok, for approach plates go here skyvector.com/airport/PHX/Phoenix-Sky-Harbor-International-Airport
To get a screen shot of the vfr chart you need to use the snip tool or screenshot function. You cannot download a VFR Chart.
@@CaptainMac ok thanks! I wish one could get a screen shot directly off skyvector without the extra steps.
@@pbr2805 try prssing F11 for a full screen of your browser while on skyvector and the alt+print screen...that should capture a screenshot for you
Navigraph are no longer going to be using Lido charts in their new upcoming update very shortly. I'm pretty pissed off about this. Navigraph will now be using the Jeppessen charts.
Nunsweepit421 I just saw that today. I was a little bummed out myself.
Where to get these charts ??
navigraph.com
AMDT No is Amendment Number
KiloRomeo You see what happens when I'm tired? I can't seem to figure anything out on my own LOL. Thanks Kilo; you would think I would have known that