Vacheron Constantin Overseas 4500V Review.. The beautiful, and the not Beautiful | Hafiz J Mehmood
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Hafiz, your watch reviews are the best on youtube, I don't understand why you don't have more subscribers. It's insane.
Agree, have said in past his sub number should add a zero to the end.
The video quality is second to none. His knowledge and observations are always great.
The cadence of his delivery is very unusual. THere is a difference between his format and the more popular formats. Does anyone even know what he looks like? There are no face shots that I've seen... maybe that is on purpose who knows.
It's a really good channel, I watch so much of his content.
@@JayandSarah Look him on Facebook and you can see his handsome face
Reason it’s little thicker than AP and Pateks because VC’s is water resistant up to 150m compare to 50m. The author forgot to mention that and to keep its one of the reason I am buying one.
Yes exactly right. This is a sports watch. I have been collecting watches a long time and thickness is never a factor for me when choosing a sports watch. Dress watch, yes. My personal opinion anyways.
Probably the best sports watch ever made.....perfect size IMO
What an incredibly astute analysis of this timepiece. Many, including myself, would have been overwhelmed by the overall execution that many of these shortfalls would have been missed/overlooked. I hope VC takes notice of this review. IMO, some of those flaws are inexcusable if one expects to be considered one of the Holy Trinity of watchmakers.
Have one exact same model personally. All said is complete true - running weird, date and dial imperfections. But these things are forgiven and forgotten and overkilled by the sharm and overall idea and execution of the watch. The thickness I would disagree 11.2 mm is absolutely not a "chunky" piece. 14 mm is a chunky piece, but not 11.2). And the size feeling depends on the wrist size - on my wrist it sits absolutely perfect, where Rolex GMT seems on the smaller side. Bracelet tapering - it tapers enough giving more wrist presence and balance to the watch itself. We all got used to the Rolex tapering shape, that's why OS feels like needing the have the same, whereas it doesn't have to at all. Bracelet is a piece of art itself, absolutely love it. Case back and rotor - just awesome))
Thanks for the review, very comprehensive and realistic analysis. Keep it up. Cheers.
The Overseas 2000V is what it should look like. 39mm, ultrathin and wearable. Unfortunately they only used these dimensions for the exclusive boutique white gold model.
Amazing watch. The dial is the most beautiful of all the trinity! Its coast is climbing and joining the sisters...
Small remark, I find you a little "hard" concerning the proportions, and in particular the thickness, it is less thick than a Submariner for the perspective, which is casually thin for a sportswatch.
I find it well done, but it's clear that you need a minimum of wrist circumference.
Regardless, this is the best review available, well shot. Thank you
I have several overseas, including the blue one, none with flaws. I bought them from authorized dealers and the finish quality is the best that can be found with the Geneva seal. It seems to me that they have got you battered watches, which obviously have taken you away from the reality of these watches.
I agree. I enjoy Hafiz's review but it seems like the watches he owns somehow always have these "defects" that are only present by him. It could be because of his video quality but I doubt.. since there are various RUclipsrs with similar quality of macro shots. Just a little sus if you ask me..
This watch was also bought from AD a few days before I reviewed it. None of these watches are mine, rather the friends who live around me are kind enough to lend me a watch so I can review.
It’s a bit sad that when someone is genuinely sharing legitimate issues on quality of watches that are coming from legit watch collectors, the viewers would still choose to blindly follow the brands that are offering the poor quality, and rather doubt a genuine review shared out of nothing but integrity, passion and commitment.
If my reviews look suss to you, please don’t watch me. I’m not asking or forcing you to watch my videos.
@@HafizJMehmood Hey really appreciate the reply. If these are genuine quality defects then it is great that someone is shining true light on them for everyone to see. Just speaking out my thoughts after watching many of your videos which seems to be somewhat an outlier experience. On a side note: your friend could try informing the quality defect to VC and maybe get one replaced
Many thanks. Yes, he will raising with VC but he just bought it two weeks ago and doesn’t want to send the watch away for a few months so he will claim warranty at a later date.
The watch was bought from Watches of Switzerland in Australia, of course brand new, just earlier this month.
@@HafizJMehmood clearly you did not understood my point or comment.
Get the dual time. No date window but still has the date and around the same price on the grey market.
Thanks for your reviews and introductions to some of the most interesting timepieces in the last years and months . In my opinion the best youtube-Channel for highquality wristshots. 👍😍
the best 4500V review on youtube!
I had this blue dial VC Overseas but ultimately sold it and purchased the silver dial Overseas, which I feel is more versatile.
Finally got the call for mine. It will be arriving this month. I've had the VC 5500V reverse panda chrono for 6 months and it is mind blowing how beautiful it is in any and all lighting conditions vs. my Rolex collection which has that "angle or two" where you get a pop that is like "yeah, man"... the VC is just amazing at all angles. I usually wear polarized sunglasses which takes care of the glare, but no doubt the flat plate of sapphire is indeed reflective. :) Stay cool Hafiz, great shots.
Still happy with it?
@@PorscheCayenneS Yes, Sept 2021 purchase and I still wear it 3x a week in rotation with Sub LV and BLRO. It is the flattest wearing and most comfortable of the 3 sports watches. It's an absolute gem. Neither of my VCs have a spec of dust or debris on the dial or hands either. Not sure how so many RUclipsrs seem to get problem watches. Probably ones that have been opened.
Excellent video. This is the 2021 dial variant that has the sunburst! The previous video review you did has the older dial variant where the only sunburst is on the minute track. I prefer that dial over this one. I feel the sunburst kind of cheapens the dial a bit.
In term of straight on wrist shot, this is my favorite of the 3 holy trinity sport watch. Love the bezel and case shape. But agree that it’s a little too thick to compete with the Nautilus and Royal Oak. What about a review of Ultra Thin Overseas that come in white gold? Maybe more direct competition to the 2 in term of case dimension
Despite its flaws, it looks great on Hafiz’s wrist. Just like a Royal Oak or maybe better IMO. However, I prefer the variations with the complications - chrono or dual time.
Great production value once again in this video!
If I may add a comment - a feature that the APRO, PPN & PPA lack is a quick adjust clasp extension that is very well executed and discretely engineered in the VC bracelet clasp. It’s a significant and welcome option in real life wearing - and becomes noticeable outside of a review studio on a hot day or when worn all day on the wrist.
Keep up the top-notch work Hafiz 👍👍
Thanks very much. I’ve done a few vids on VC so didn’t want to keep repeating the same info I’ve discussed before (but I probably should highlight).
I discussed the quick bracelet system on VC at length in my comparison of it with RO as per link below:
ruclips.net/video/v-V-h4MdiUk/видео.html
Thanks again!
great review and highlighting that there's QC issues even at this price point, but 11mm thickness is thin
Your photography has gone up a notch in 1.5 years since I started watching you. Simply so well executed (better than VC, lol). The side view photography was amazing. Great analysis of course, as well. I’m waiting for a black dial despite the limitations highlighted. I don’t think they will update any time soon given that they sell well and just try and get a RO or Nautilus or aquanaut.....
Thanks very much. I’m also waiting for black dial 4500v despite all the limitation 😉
It’s a lovely piece, just not a perfect watch and there’s no such thing as a perfect watch. And if we stop buying watches in search for an ideal watch, we would have no watch on the wrist.
Neither RO is perfect nor the Nautilus, and I have both too.
Wow, this 4500v looks on your wrist much better than it looked on mine, which is the same size xD But still, just as I remember, it looks much better on rubber than bracelet.
I was buying it thinking it is perfect. But eventualy came to conclusion that 2gen was better choice, as it is more sporty, something between regular RO and Offshore.
3 gen is more dressy, it plays in the same category as Royal Oak and Nautilus, and always will be a more attainable alternative, with a little less character.
So I ended up selling 4500v and buying 2gen dual time with gray dial titanium bezel and couldn't be happier. It offers something different, it's much more sporty and feels more robust in hand.
PS. My 4500v from 2019 was very inconsistent in therms of accuracy. One day it was +7, the other -13s. My AD told me it is normal. So, yours with -4s is actually a good result ;)
Great video ... lovely independent perspective for the VC. Its a beautiful watch ... its robust, classy and a work of art from the back. The rubber strap and deployant dresses it down a little and the bracelet is just pure quality (ok I'm biased I admit it). The lume is relatively weak but stays on long enough for me to fall asleep (as you can guess I'm no diver). Appreciate the reference to the Royal Oak and Nautilus but one looks like a port hole and the other is but a discontinued unicorn ... its all subjective I guess :)
Those issues with the date would be annoying on a replica let alone the real thing. The caseback is incredible tho.
Truly the best piece of the three steel watches! Review feels biased, but certainly your prerogative! When compared with the AP and The 5711, the dial and overall feel of this watch are unmatched by the other two. I do agree 100% on the date window, but as I'm old and can't see the date anyway, it doesn't bother me. :) nice production value on this video. Cheers!
I don’t pick up on any bias. He is objective as it gets IMO. Merciless, but objective.
Yeah he needs to do the WH Patek "grenade". Now there is a high priced watch with a face only a mother could love.
Your comment sounds a lot more biased than Hafiz. I’ve handled all of them and can confidently say that the VC is not better than the other two.
Beautiful, honest, and informative review, as always, Hafiz. I've been captivated for quite a while by the VC Overseas, but it is indeed a bit disappointing to see such glaring imperfections on the dial and date wheel at this level of watchmaking.
Another great review. I love this watch. I finally saved up enough money for it, but sadly, I can't find a boutique who will sell it to me. I just keep being put on the waitlist that they said is years long.
That's a shame for such sick environment, and also why I never want my favorite brands to get hyped.
Alright my friend, now do a ultimate comparison: AP RO, Patek Nautilus, VC Overseas and maybe GP Laureato and the relatively new Chopard Alpine Eagle. I recently bought one of the latter and it is so amazing, especiall when comparing it to the others and for the price point. Only downsides in my opinion are the "poor" image perception of the brand Chopard as a watchmaker, no microadjustment possibility like the VC has and no golden rotor (which is ok for the price point i guess).
Go check it out, if you can :)
Great Video, as always!
You are the best reviewer of time pieces on the web. Excellent!
dude, what's up ..... all this nagging and nagging for the 222.. they come out with a perfect 222 and you're silent... WTF?
Hi Hafiz.... beautifully shot video. Not sure where that watch came from...However my blue 4500V is flawless and shows none of the faults you have highlighted. It is also accurate to within a second per day.! Send that one back - it's what they used to call to call in the motor trade, a Friday afternoon car..!
Great review Hafiz. I love your attention to the detail and your balanced perspective. I was lucky enough to get this watch and dial colour last month at retail. Although I agree with some of your points, like anything, if you like something so much, you are prepared to overlook some of the faults 😁. Keep up the great work Hafiz 👊
Right now the finest modern watch in production!!!!!
Would love to see you do a Lange! They’re finishing is amazing but I’ve never seen one under macro
Check out the videos by Watchfinder.
@@Kr0nicridah ah yes I’ve seen them, but hafiz goes into more detail and his macro shots are really in depth. Watch finder are good though!
Great video. As an enthusiast who obsesses about accuracy I have found after owning over 40 luxury watches over 5000 usd, that 4sec per day is actually excellent regardless of price point. So I don't know why you are stating that as a weakness. Maybe you have too high expectations? It's a mechanical movement after all. In general I have found only rolex and for the most part omega calibers to actually perform more accurate than 4 sec (less than 1spd for the most part) over time still when they are run in. All other calibers I know have a tendency to get less accurate when run in, but stay in the limits of cosc or slightly outside (Springdrive excluded obviously). I think that is what one can expect from most mechanical movements, even in 2021😄
My Seiko 4r36 loses about 3 seconds a day over the course of a week.. so that’s actually terrible for 20k+ watch
My impression is that you’re not in love with this watch, am I wrong?
Negative, as I do like it. My reviews ain’t about what I love. They’re about what I find and conclude after my analyses and assessment of all the pieces I experience hands-on.
My reviews aren’t subjective; rather they’re objective. I show on the screen what I say.
Thanks for watching.
The review was extremely negative but I guess it was honest. I am due to purchase one but these limitations are off putting ! I have Pateks, APs and Rolexes but would like a Vacheron...
@@AMF_1 this watch went out of Bruce William's collection very quickly as well so maybe the negatives are too much
@@AMF_1 everyone is entitled to his opinion but I do agree it is rather a negative opinion on this watch.
@@michaelbishop9157 I noticed which I found very odd...
Hafiz, at last someone really reviewing a watch in all honesty. I appreciate the air of neutrality when reviewing, surfacing good and bad. Personally, I never understood it’s popularity. The dial color is very nice, but the dial itself is cluttered, to busy. I would love to know though, what is your relation with design?
Love your reviews Hafiz! Would love to see you analyse an H. Moser! Possible the Pioneer Mega Cool!💪🏻
I have the 4600v. its fantastic
Very nice watch, reminds of some Grand Seiko pieces though the Grand Seiko dial is generally more appealing and interesting. Can't beat GS for beautiful dials. Excellent review!
Thank you for sharing. Though not the most popular, I’m particularly interested in the silver dial
Hello Hafiz, when will you review a watch with a Tourbillon? Curious to see it close up
Beautiful watch. I checked out a black one a couple months at a VC Boutique. Owner was nice enough to let me use a Lomb. The example I saw was flawless. Everything perfect. No dust spectacles, painting on point, etc...The one in your video I would have no accepted and asked for a another upon inspection.
Unfortunately, with the prices soaring (again) and holt trinity is unobtanium for us working class and middle class.
Seeing the defects, it makes me wonder if Grand Seiko is the better choice? Their Superman also has a beautiful blue dial which could give strong competition to the VC at a far better price.
hope to add VC into my collection. Must see in person to appreciate otherwise another great vid!
For me, the black dial is the best iteration of this reference. While the blue looks magnificent, i think it will get tiring after a while.
Underwhelming for me. Rarity only makes it look nicer. Black, blue, brown, silver in that order. At least for me. But you can’t go wrong with any - just a matter of taste
absolutely love the case, bezel, bracelet. but really wish there were so many tick marks on the dial. a minute track AND a chapter ring with sub-sec marks really is a bit much. 🤷🏻♂️
Another great video. I’m so disappointed in seeing the imperfections you showed, especially the date wheel printing issue. They need to up their QC before I put my name on one. Thank you for the insight.
The date numbers is not a good look. But the marks on the dial? And the specks of dust scattered about? Are you sure the case was not previously opened? I can't imagine VC having such poor QC.
Beautiful presentation just perfect more please
Hello Hafiz bhai
One of the best reviews of overseas 4500 V so far.
Nailed it!! Can you do H Moser & Cie Streamliner Centre Seconds.
I would hope at $22k that VC reached out to you after this video and offered to have the dial replaced. For that amount of money it should be perfection under any magnification.
The camera shots are so good, I thought it was just purchased video clips with audio over it at first.. so I’ve been skipping over this channel for over a week lol.
I'm so glad I switched to RUclips Premium so I can watch your videos without annoying interruptions. Whenever I see this watch on IG or YT I'm impressed by the awesome blue dial. Looking at the price however this watch just isn't special enough for me.
Thank you Hafiz for this review. I was with one Vacheron Overseas GMT in blue in hand...but those macros give us a whole different prespective on a watch. Those mistakes are inadmissible for a brand like Vacheron! Keep up with the good work, great production and honest reviews!
The finishing looks a bit underwhelming for a watch costing this much, i think it is in a class of zenith defy classic but charging more than double. My request for you is to please cover maurice lacroix aikon
Big and chunky???! Lol I own the watch and it's not big or chunky it wears rather slim. This review was all in all negative but good effort reviewing it .
Totally agree with you. I have this watch, also a AP 15400, and the VC wears smaller than the RO imo.
I agree.
Totally agree. This is one amazing time piece
It is big and chunky. I tried it at the boutique and was greatly disappointed.
I Tried on a AP Royal Oak 41mm and it felt cheap lol. It didnt feel Like a 35k high end watch, very disappointing…
I have to try on a VC Overseas
Amazing as always, Hafiz!
I wish more watches came with multiple straps. Imagine the Submariner coming with a steel and OysterFlex bracelet.
What do you think of the Breguet Marine 5517 in white gold with blue dial?
I like your honesty and perspective. Keep up the good work
Hi check out the new 4520v tapered bracelet thinner watch case by 0.39mm and new quick bracelet change. Time for a new review
Great review, as always. Good job Hafiz.
Incredible review, one of the best of yt
Great video 👏
There are some features and parts I really like, but also too many deal-breakers. The date window, reflective crystal and non-hackable movement heavily kill the temptation.
The review is a bit too harsh, as if to prove a point!
So far only GS seems to have the high level of finishing expected although in fairness they generally have simpler finishing in their dials
I love the design of this watch! Unfortunately, the prices even for these have really gotten out of hand.
For the prices the holy trinity asks for their steel models, the quality doesn't look promising.
I wonder if more traditional watches from Patek and Vacheron (e.g a World Timer or a Patrimony) have better attention to detail.
That would be very interesting to see if you are looking for video ideas!
I actually liked this until I found out that there's no hacking seconds.
I'm personally not a fan of no hacking seconds watches.
4500 V blu 💙🔝
When I saw this watch, I had the same impression about the dial. too shiny, too much reflection
Hey Hafiz, when are you going to review your beautiful 5711?
I think the time has come to finally do it. Hopefully in a couple of weeks, it’s 5711’s turn 👍
Pardon the question but has this been serviced prior to this video? that may explain the dial imperfections
It was purchased last week from the AD, and is a brand new watch direct from VC.
@@HafizJMehmood Yikes! I would expect more from Vacheron as they are up there in the watch brand hierarchy
A honest review, thank you.
Absolutely gorgeous!
Another great review!
Also, the movement doesnt hack…what the heck?
Many VC movements can't hack. Probably they don't think it's necessary..
@@chia-mingyang5804 they obviously dont care, but It wouldnt harm if they did. The AR coating or the lack thereof is a pain as well. Since they released them in 2016, maybe they will improve them some time soon
@@danr6175 Regarding update, I would rather to have a steel version 2000V.
@Claudio Bonci its a time synchronization function, all said.
@Claudio Bonci I have the OCD to synchronize second and minute hands.
This dial not important. Some bad Only movement and steel good. Mr Hafız great ansliys review
Price ??
Awesome review! Thanks! Cheers
An excellent review. Thank you 😊
Thanks, great review, the watch not worthy bearing it’s name imho
Isn’t there a leather strap also…?
YEs comes with a Blue leather(gator) strap as well!
Thoughts on the blue dial dial time?
HAFIZ - those close close ups , are fantastic. It is a beauty . another artistic video HJM. . ~ JDS/CT
Just an off topic question, i have gone through internet and its showing the price of this piece is 50,000USD but here people commenting its 22,000 USD watch, please elaborate if my question make sense.
Thanks
Hi. 22k usd is the sticker price at the boutique. These are sold out and no where available at the boutique. The 50k usd is a secondary price/market price/market value which adds premium on top for you to be able to buy it immediately.
That being said, I think the market price is not 50k - they’re around 40k usd at the moment.
@@HafizJMehmood Many thanks
These watches are hand made therefore offer an opportunity for human error but at it's price it is not acceptable. I am surprised VC allowed this to pass quality control. Their watches are typically flawless...
All these “not up to the mark” issues you keep mentioning are just evidence of human beings hand making the watch. I’m not interested in mechanized perfection. You can have it.
I would disagree - a pad printer die for the date disc should be inspected and changed frequently, otherwise a dull plate will leave poor ink releases as is evidenced in this video. That to me is evidence of a human not doing a good job inspecting the equipment they have been trained on (or VC cutting corners and making die plates last longer in exchange for less quality). By also having a dial thatsome sort of defect that appears to be from poor handling of the dial prior to assembly, shows poor craftsmanship and a non-focus on quality. Humans are perhaps the final step in ensuring something is absolutely perfect when these are made, and these two errors are simply just poor QC. That, in my opinion, doesn't make this particular watch exceptional or give me the satisfaction that it was made by human hands. I would see the poor date ink and the scratch on my dial and think, 'this could have been better' and it would eat away at me over time.
@@erikoleson7328 If the dial is “scratched” as you put it...send it back. But if the human eye can’t detect the “scratch” then is it even a scratch? I suppose you could hold the company to an impossible, anally contracting standard? That’s certainly your right. And in that sense, yes, the watch is an absolute piece of shit. Not worthy of that price tag OR it’s cost. Thank you for blessing us with your sterile logic. Now piss off back to wherever you come from. In spite of everything you’ve pointed out for us, I’m still a huge fan of the brand.
Totally disagree with you. This watch is special. Also, I believe the AP 15500 is also around 11 cm and wears big as well.
Another awesome review, Hafiz. Yeah, it's got flaws (ugh! those dial scratches). BUT that rolling wrist shot is money. Just gorgeous. Thank you for sharing.
Why don’t you bring Girard-Perregaux’s Laureto in your review?
Thanks, Hafiz, I look forward to your videos. Another great review. Concerning that a $22.5K (list) timepiece is off by 4sec within 24hrs and the sunburst dial has imperfections. It looks good on the wrist but have to wonder how this poor quality will tarnish the brand.
Oh Dear. That date wheel ..........
Excellent objective informative
Even the greatest of watches have flaws.
Poor lume, no AR coating, case thickness, and -4/day? The PRX Auto is looking better and better…
Poor little girly wrist man. Maybe should review a Datejust 36.
This is the best looking integrated bracelet sports watch. No donkey ears bellbottom design, and no garrish cocaine 80s glitter monster. It’s classy and built like a tank. Just right.
No AR at these prices, even modest prised AliExpress watches have good AR now.
They should make it smaller, focus on details and the material should be G5 titanium. Its extremely overpriced given the quality
That date window looks horrible. I could not stand to own a watch, no matter how beautiful the dial, if the date is not executed well. That is printing is very sloppy. I would prefer to not have a date at all. It's likened to the face of a beautiful woman with bucked teeth. Everytime she smiles at you, all you can see is crooked teeth. For the price VC commands for their watches, I would expect the quality to be better than mass produced brands which seem to have higher standards of QC. I sometimes question how these brands maintain their position in the top 3 'holy trinity'. Perhaps they require a yearly audit from a panel of judges to ensure they are worthy of their position in the top tier brand category. The watch industry needs the equivalent of the Michelin Star accreditation system of the restaurant industry. Some independent body needs to oversee the standards of these brands.
Not my cup of tea. The date window is too large or the numbers are too small.
I was offered this ... It had many many points to recommend it ... But too many against it ... I passed and have no regrets ... None whatsoever .