My hikoki (metabo) framing gun was one of the best tool purchases I have made. Fantastic bit of kit. Even with 60y/o seasoned Australian hardwood frames. No problem at all.
I bought the milwaukee about 6 months ago and love it. Yeah it is heavy but after continued use you get used to it. I love the no lag bump action and with the 5ah battery I've got all day action. With the 6ah ho bat I get 2 full days. I've had no issues of misfires or nails not sinking all the way. I would definitely get another milwaukee m18 framer
I have the Metabo and built my house and a few others with it. It stopped driving the nails home so I bought the $60 part to refill the air chamber and it works like new again but in the meantime I was using a corded air nailer and it was so much lighter and quieter but sometimes it was a pain to have that hose dragging around. So I plan to buy an air nailer to have the beauty of both worlds. Air nailers are so much cheaper and the double clip is amazing for sheeting and nailing beams together. I am looking at a palm nailer as well to help with joist hangers
I bought the metabo nr1890drs 18 months ago. Already trouble with it. I Builted a small 18 x30 extention to a house. Then I started a new house for myself. It started to work badly with nails longer than 2 1/2 inches. It can't sink longer nail all the way anymore and sometimes it shoot 2 nails at a time doing a strange noise. I think it will need to be refilled with air but I wonder why it did happen. I am retired professionel carpenter. A friend of mine bought the milwaulkee and builted only one house before it started doing the same thing (not sinking nails all the way). So it is great to use but reliability is not like my old hitachi framing air gun
I have the DeWalt it only jams for me if I use paslode nails or softer nails for some reason but I’m thinking about getting the metabo cause I should be able to shoot all nails
Out of all the reviews that I've seen between these two guns yours is the most fair and consistent the only reason I would prefer one or the other is 1 is home serviceable and the other is not more or less you can't get parts for one and you can the other and I'm not gonna say which that is for your own investigation
You can buy an extended magazine for the Milwaukee. That one adds another nail strip. But When I was using a friend's nailer, I never had a problem with running out of nails with the single strip magazine. I simply looked down every one in a while and made sure there were enough nails in it, and then slipped another strip in it and kept on producing wall after wall. But I just bought my own, and unboxed it this evening. I made video and will post it to my channel shortly. Anyway, I am having issues driving the nails. Did you have that issue?
Sure. It’s just nice having fewer stops in between reloading but I haven’t had too much of an issue myself either. I haven’t had any issues driving nails. I was just nailing through LVL beams and had no problem sinking them.
I didn't realize this but according to the owner's manual the Metabo can't be stored under 40 degrees for the tool or battery. That's a problem for a guy leaving things out in the trailer or garage. The Metabo I bought from Lowe's was a clearance item that was probably a return that failed the first guy. It didn't work once for me and I returned it as well. I don't expect I would buy another Metabo item unless it was $10 at a yard sale.
As soon as I made this video, a week later my rafter hook came off and I started having more misfires. The rafter hook is easy to fix but the misfires I’m not totally sure what’s going on.
@@BuiltOnTheRock It needs a recharge. Get yourself one of those pressure regulators (forgot what is called) and hook it to air compressor. There's a video in youtube that walks you through on how to do it and what parts you need. You did say you had it for a few years, so that sort of explains why. The milwaukee will have the same issue, but you need to send that in for service because there's no way for you self charge the darn thing without voiding the warranty. All metabo hpt nailers can be recharged with the right parts.
Are those weights with batteries, and if so are the batteries equal capacity? From Milwaukee's website I determined their gun weighs 10.1 lbs., and from my scale a 5Ah battery weighs 01.6 lbs, making the total weight 11.7 lbs....
It is really hard to shoot yourself with one of these nail guns. However, I have seen one of my foreman a long time ago, have a nail go through one 2x4 and hit a knot in the wood, which made the nail bend slightly when it deflected off of the knot and stick him in the thumb. You know that first bone section just past the first knuckle. Luckily we were not using ring shanked nails at that time, so it was a lot easier to pull his hand away from the nail. It appeared to only embed in his thumb about 1/4 inch. Which was deep enough for him to get upset and ask me to drive him to the ER. I honestly don't remember the extent of his major/minor injuries, but I do remember what happened. Being in construction for while, I can tell you that there are a lot of other types of injuries on the job, but I have rarely ever seen anyone get hurt by a nail gun.
I haven’t looked into this at all for the Metabo, but Milwaukee’s extended magazine is supposed to be plug and play at least with the model I have reviewed here. I haven’t purchased this yet but would like to in the near future
It won't work. They have a different magazine receiver where it engages with the firing mechanism on the nailer. I've seen someone modify that so that both magazines fit but they never demonstrated if it actually worked and how it went long term so I'd have to say no based on what Milwaukee recommends and doesn't recommend for their products. I have both nailers and love both of them, but I use the 30 degree more because our developer supplies us with those nails.
@@darthslipknot91 I have toyed with the idea of buying the extended mag but haven’t. I was under the impression it would work but can’t speak from experience.
@@BuiltOnTheRock Save your money. I've heard all kinds of things but the safe bet is to just keep it with the same angle it's meant for. VCG Construction tested the theory out on their channel and show how they have different magazines that won't properly mate together. I would assume the firing pins may be specified for the nail angle they're meant for and would hate to ruin a $350+ nailer while voiding the warranty.
I bought this nail gun as we were planning to renew all the fencing in our back garden. As this involved 19 double slatted fence panels, 10 of which needed to be cut down in size, we knew there would be a need for a great ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt deal of re-stapling the wooden slats to the wooden framework. Each alteration required the re-stapling of 62 wooden slats with double staples. Prior to starting the work we ordered sufficient additional staples as per the instructions with the gun.The gun performed fantastically throughout the entire project with no jams of misfires. The adjustable power was excellent allowing the staples to be fired into the 8mm slats to the correct depth. For the price paid this was a bargain and it proved itself to be so reliable and versatile making an arduous task much quicker and professional. I cannot recommend this product highly enough and it will be used on many other projects in the future.
Metabo fell 4 feet and busted that little black battery receiver plate loose and the switch on it. Debating weather I’m going to get another metabo or try something else
Yeah I’m not a production framer and don’t claim to be for sure. If I was a production framer, I’m not sure if I’d want to lug these heavy battery powered units around vs air powered. I’d be curious to hear from production framers what they prefer for constant usage.
Metabo is a pice a garbage, is not working properly after a 50 times use , customer service said send them over you have to pay the shipping cost $30 dollars first time sentit back telling me the gun gas working manufacturing specification , call back sent it back make a you tube short video so they know the problem , they just sent it back , they said the same again I will call them to talk to a supervisor get it fix and sell it , milwakee so much easier they pay for everything, and better gun after all.
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My hikoki (metabo) framing gun was one of the best tool purchases I have made. Fantastic bit of kit. Even with 60y/o seasoned Australian hardwood frames. No problem at all.
I bought the milwaukee about 6 months ago and love it. Yeah it is heavy but after continued use you get used to it. I love the no lag bump action and with the 5ah battery I've got all day action. With the 6ah ho bat I get 2 full days. I've had no issues of misfires or nails not sinking all the way. I would definitely get another milwaukee m18 framer
I have the Metabo and built my house and a few others with it. It stopped driving the nails home so I bought the $60 part to refill the air chamber and it works like new again but in the meantime I was using a corded air nailer and it was so much lighter and quieter but sometimes it was a pain to have that hose dragging around.
So I plan to buy an air nailer to have the beauty of both worlds. Air nailers are so much cheaper and the double clip is amazing for sheeting and nailing beams together. I am looking at a palm nailer as well to help with joist hangers
Senco!!! Fast as pneumatic, serviceable with compressed air and basic tools. POWERFULL!!!
I bought the metabo nr1890drs 18 months ago. Already trouble with it. I Builted a small 18 x30 extention to a house. Then I started a new house for myself. It started to work badly with nails longer than 2 1/2 inches. It can't sink longer nail all the way anymore and sometimes it shoot 2 nails at a time doing a strange noise. I think it will need to be refilled with air but I wonder why it did happen. I am retired professionel carpenter. A friend of mine bought the milwaulkee and builted only one house before it started doing the same thing (not sinking nails all the way). So it is great to use but reliability is not like my old hitachi framing air gun
With a name like Nate he must be trustworthy! Love my Metabo hpt framing nailer!
You know it!
Wonder if clipped head nails would make a difference or not, mainly the jamming. I am thinking of a Mitabo
I have the DeWalt it only jams for me if I use paslode nails or softer nails for some reason but I’m thinking about getting the metabo cause I should be able to shoot all nails
Out of all the reviews that I've seen between these two guns yours is the most fair and consistent the only reason I would prefer one or the other is 1 is home serviceable and the other is not more or less you can't get parts for one and you can the other and I'm not gonna say which that is for your own investigation
Just ordered the Metabo after this review.
You can buy an extended magazine for the Milwaukee. That one adds another nail strip.
But When I was using a friend's nailer, I never had a problem with running out of nails with the single strip magazine. I simply looked down every one in a while and made sure there were enough nails in it, and then slipped another strip in it and kept on producing wall after wall.
But I just bought my own, and unboxed it this evening. I made video and will post it to my channel shortly. Anyway, I am having issues driving the nails. Did you have that issue?
Sure. It’s just nice having fewer stops in between reloading but I haven’t had too much of an issue myself either. I haven’t had any issues driving nails. I was just nailing through LVL beams and had no problem sinking them.
I didn't realize this but according to the owner's manual the Metabo can't be stored under 40 degrees for the tool or battery. That's a problem for a guy leaving things out in the trailer or garage.
The Metabo I bought from Lowe's was a clearance item that was probably a return that failed the first guy. It didn't work once for me and I returned it as well. I don't expect I would buy another Metabo item unless it was $10 at a yard sale.
What you're explaining here is the recommendation for all of the battery powered options. That's not just a Metabo HPT thing.
does the metabo have the bump fire?
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the Metabo works great for me, no malfunctions
As soon as I made this video, a week later my rafter hook came off and I started having more misfires. The rafter hook is easy to fix but the misfires I’m not totally sure what’s going on.
@@BuiltOnTheRock It needs a recharge. Get yourself one of those pressure regulators (forgot what is called) and hook it to air compressor. There's a video in youtube that walks you through on how to do it and what parts you need. You did say you had it for a few years, so that sort of explains why. The milwaukee will have the same issue, but you need to send that in for service because there's no way for you self charge the darn thing without voiding the warranty. All metabo hpt nailers can be recharged with the right parts.
@@ProxyFinalI’ll definitely look into that
Can you fire nails repeatedly without re-pulling the trigger on both of these?
Yes, there are two modes you can select on both the Milwaukee and Metabo nailers. There’s single and semi auto modes.
@ 0:40 weight-
Milwaukee: 12.065 lbs
HPT: 10.49 lbs
So the HPT is 1.575 lbs lighter
Are those weights with batteries, and if so are the batteries equal capacity? From Milwaukee's website I determined their gun weighs 10.1 lbs., and from my scale a 5Ah battery weighs 01.6 lbs, making the total weight 11.7 lbs....
As I am a child who would inevitably end up getting a nail in myself or someone else, which one is easiest to remove said nail afterwards?
Haha! That would be bad. Don’t do that. I’ve heard stories but I don’t plan to have my own story or have anyone I know have a story like that.
It is really hard to shoot yourself with one of these nail guns. However, I have seen one of my foreman a long time ago, have a nail go through one 2x4 and hit a knot in the wood, which made the nail bend slightly when it deflected off of the knot and stick him in the thumb. You know that first bone section just past the first knuckle.
Luckily we were not using ring shanked nails at that time, so it was a lot easier to pull his hand away from the nail. It appeared to only embed in his thumb about 1/4 inch. Which was deep enough for him to get upset and ask me to drive him to the ER.
I honestly don't remember the extent of his major/minor injuries, but I do remember what happened.
Being in construction for while, I can tell you that there are a lot of other types of injuries on the job, but I have rarely ever seen anyone get hurt by a nail gun.
I know people who frame with screws. Of course it’s slower, but safer and much lighter with an impact.
@@FreedomFox1framing with screws is a really bad idea for anything structural. They are much more brittle than nails
anyone know if the 30* magazine will bolt in place of the 21* magazine? you get twice the nails in the magazine with the clipped head
I haven’t looked into this at all for the Metabo, but Milwaukee’s extended magazine is supposed to be plug and play at least with the model I have reviewed here. I haven’t purchased this yet but would like to in the near future
They are completely different set ups for a reason. Just get the extended magazine, because both standard magazines only hold one strip of nails.
It won't work. They have a different magazine receiver where it engages with the firing mechanism on the nailer. I've seen someone modify that so that both magazines fit but they never demonstrated if it actually worked and how it went long term so I'd have to say no based on what Milwaukee recommends and doesn't recommend for their products. I have both nailers and love both of them, but I use the 30 degree more because our developer supplies us with those nails.
@@darthslipknot91 I have toyed with the idea of buying the extended mag but haven’t. I was under the impression it would work but can’t speak from experience.
@@BuiltOnTheRock Save your money. I've heard all kinds of things but the safe bet is to just keep it with the same angle it's meant for. VCG Construction tested the theory out on their channel and show how they have different magazines that won't properly mate together. I would assume the firing pins may be specified for the nail angle they're meant for and would hate to ruin a $350+ nailer while voiding the warranty.
A rack, a rack of nails. good vid, thanks
I'm a production framer the Metabo lasts me 1 hour If that. I just needed up using a air gun
I had the Milwaukee but it’s stop working. I had to send it in to get it repair
I bought this nail gun as we were planning to renew all the fencing in our back garden. As this involved 19 double slatted fence panels, 10 of which needed to be cut down in size, we knew there would be a need for a great ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHQsUrwNr5GQrnx9V4xDdUr56qxwuiBHt deal of re-stapling the wooden slats to the wooden framework. Each alteration required the re-stapling of 62 wooden slats with double staples. Prior to starting the work we ordered sufficient additional staples as per the instructions with the gun.The gun performed fantastically throughout the entire project with no jams of misfires. The adjustable power was excellent allowing the staples to be fired into the 8mm slats to the correct depth. For the price paid this was a bargain and it proved itself to be so reliable and versatile making an arduous task much quicker and professional. I cannot recommend this product highly enough and it will be used on many other projects in the future.
I’m going to buy one …. Honestly wich one do you recommend!??????
I’d go with the Milwaukee if I could only buy one again.
Metabo fell 4 feet and busted that little black battery receiver plate loose and the switch on it. Debating weather I’m going to get another metabo or try something else
I still use my metabo and really like it. If you want to try something else, Milwaukees is a good alternative. Whatever you do, don’t buy the Dewalt.
Don’t drop your tools, idiot
You should try not dropping your tools
Milwaukee all the way 🎉
Even the 36v feels lighter than the Milwaukee.
Metabo HPT is fixable, recharge with air. Milwaukee is nitrogen and individual parts not available.
Can you review the nail gun Patrick Bateman prefers? 😝😂
3:57 sure someone has said it but skyhook
I have the Milwaukee gun, good gun, but way too heavy.
Agreed
I'll carry that gun all day instead of towing the hoses.
@@jmackinjersey1 seriously the tugging on hoses and getting caught on shit is enough to drive a man nuts so I’ll take a couple extra lbs
Pima cable is made by Hitachi
Metabo is made by Hitachi
If the Milwaukee lasts for a day you slow bro lol
Yeah I’m not a production framer and don’t claim to be for sure. If I was a production framer, I’m not sure if I’d want to lug these heavy battery powered units around vs air powered. I’d be curious to hear from production framers what they prefer for constant usage.
@@BuiltOnTheRockair compressor + hitcahi nailer= production framer.
@stillteachin how long have you been framing
Metabo/Hikoki better weight better nailer......
Metabo is a pice a garbage, is not working properly after a 50 times use , customer service said send them over you have to pay the shipping cost $30 dollars first time sentit back telling me the gun gas working manufacturing specification , call back sent it back make a you tube short video so they know the problem , they just sent it back , they said the same again I will call them to talk to a supervisor get it fix and sell it , milwakee so much easier they pay for everything, and better gun after all.