Fool! You have just ensured the doom of this world. You cannot even begin to imagine what you’ve set in motion this day. Go to the Temple of Light, in the eastern city of Kurast. There, you will find the gate to Hell opened before you. You must find the courage to step through that gate, Marius. Take the stone you hold to the Hellforge, where it will be destroyed. Now run! Take the stone and run!
I think one of the most interesting things is this race doesn't have a supply depot. Notice it says 0/300 right at the start. Crazy. I think there is some energy maintenance that replace the effort of making depots/pylons/overlords or whatever equivalent this game has for the other two races.
what would be really cool is if powered off buildings were "harder to detect" like not exactly stealth mode, but powered on buildings have some noise / light so you can tell a bit from the distance that they're there. ie in starcraft you can hear pylons being built or nyduses even if you cant see them; what if you can "hear" a busy proxied structure unless it's powered off.
oh sweet child, 2 other RTS's coming out and one looks like a monetization bait and the others just a mess, good luck finding another RTS because I don't think their marketing to you anymore.
@@Nuurix said the guy defending someone demanding the entire game gets over hauled, yeah why not "talk for yourself and let others decide what they enjoy and what not, huh?"
@@JerryS-zb2lf well im not trying to take away your opinion, you are entitled to that and if you wish to never play stormgate, thats on you! The difference is, I am defending the expression of opinion from OP and in general, while you are trying to take away the opinion of his by patronizing him ("oh sweet child" "good luck finding"). Not tolerating intolerance is not the same as being intolerant in the first place.
There have been several prominant RTS that have units which deal more damage the closer they are. Off the top of my head, almost everything in Company of Heroes 1/2/3 (technically accuracy), Peacekeepers in Red Alert 3, Shotgun scouts and suppression weapons in Dawn of War 2. There's probably way more. Artosis has very strong opinions about RTS but I get the feeling he has only really played Blizzard RTS and Age of Empires.
SC1 Terran units with abilities (9): Bio: marine (stim), firebat (stim), medic (heal, optical flare, restoration), ghost (cloak, lockdown, nukes) Mech: vulture (spider mines), siege tank (siege mode) Air: wraith (cloak), science vessel (emp, irradiate, d matrix), battlecruiser (yamato) SC1 Terran units without abilities (3): Bio: Mech: goliath Air: dropship, valkyrie I've never seen anyone rant about why almost every Terran unit has an ability, and yet it seems to be non-stop with stormgate. I think the key is giving units good abilities that are meaningful choices and situational trade-offs that add to gameplay.
I think it's more like stim, siege, cloak and spider mines are almost not "actual abilities", it's more like creative mechanics or something. Stim you mostly just press once on start of the battle. Vultures only get 3 mines and they're mostly only placed when you're not in battle. Yamato is slow and very expensive so you're left with ghost, vessel and situationally medic. Protos as well, just HT, DA and Arbiter. Zerg just Defiler and Queen which is almost never used, morph to guardian and lurker doesn't count. Devourer spores? Maybe? SC2 is already to much imho, zealot charge, stalker blink, adept... I mean, can't a guy just attack move and do some basic micro? I would argue that charge makes zealots even less microable! I like when they do abilities that you CAN use - but don't have to (and they don't make the unit totally useless if you don't use those abilities).
the real reason is people want to hate this game and see it fail because they think it's a "ripoff" with "bad" art. They'll just invent any reason to hate on it.
All of these abilities are stupid gimmicks. Nobody is going to bother to remember what these dumb units do because it's so convoluted. Reminds me of Diablo 4. Garbage. Stim, mines, and siege mode are all incredibly iconic and easy to understand mechanics, in comparison.
I will withhold my judgement on this game until they have all the final models and units in, but one thing I can say is that they showed it way too early.
I agree. In theory it sounds great to bring in feedback early. In practice you don‘t have the time to incorporate all the feedback and most importantly: mobs of people are stupid. There is nothing to gain from a mob but superficial comments and at worst negative press.
If they don't plan to rethink the visuals from the scratch they can't save this game from bombing. They need to have a talk with art director/concept artists. But these are full 3d models and not place holders so I don't think it's gonna happen (because it's gonna be a huge pain in the ass)
@@f1shze4lot I think the simple, cartoony maps influence the look some people aren't liking a lot more than the units. They should get a map editor in the hands of the community asap to see if people can make maps with different lighting, tile sets, and more detail that people might like better.
Imo it's the most unique faction in this game. I see here most new and fresh ideas. So the Stormgate has three factions: Terran, Zerg/Protoss mix and a new one. I wish there were three new factions but at least this one is something new.
yea this game is honestly starting to shape up, i'm excited to play casual team games with friends and maybe try the 1v1 mode if they can balance everything correctly
Those flying buildings that can produce seem to have super high cheese potential! It will be hard to balance this race since they seem to rely on crazy spells and gimmicks
This game literally feels like they threw all unit abilities and units from SC and WC into a giant hat and just started pulling out stuff to create new units. "ok, so we got a protoss observer with huntress ability from WC3 and Oracle revelation, fancy that."
Screw the abilities, the entire interface is copied too. The top bar with abilities is such an obvious copy of SC2 LoV/coop ability bar. The entire supply system and resources. Even the map is basically Twisted Meadows from Wc3
@@marcinluter1195 Bro, no, those guys didn't design SC2. A lot of them worked at Blizzard, and on the SC2 team at the end, but the people that designed the game are not at Frost Giant. Sigity, Pardo, Metzen, Kim, etc are the ones behind Wings of Liberty. The Frost Giant guys are skilled and have a lot of great work in the past, but lets please give credit where it is due.
@@JN-hs5xl are you a professional idiot or part time? Adding in a top bar with abilities isn't a copy from LOTV its a fucking top bar. Thats like saying they copied the minimap.
" I need completely new takes on RTS, despite the fact that their are so many that any ability is likely a copy" SC2 itself has abilities you could claim were from C&C first, and Im even more shocked how its the same two comments "looks bad" "stole mechanics" if this is all it takes for you to be turned away then maybe the game was never for you.
Lowkey I think it may have been a cover up. The way he phrased it, it was as if it was his setting that made the model bright blue and unfinished, which just ain’t true
"pre alpha ugly, me no likely" Im so glad this is aimed at DOTA fans more than hardcore rts fans you people are becoming insufferable in one comment section, literally thats all it took to view you as brainless "I dislike pre alpha visuals too" shit. I actually think MOBA players are less toxic than RTS players now, thanks.
@@JerryS-zb2lf The cope of a guy defending a game that raised 2.4 million dollars. It's not that people think the art style is ugly (which it is) it's that the models are unreadable from a glance. Also claiming it's for Dota fans when the entire game was supposedly the resurrection of the "hardcore rts" genre is amazing. You're simultaneously the group you are mocking with that statement.
@@IllTakeThisName its all alpha, so literally everything you've said is moot. Sure, resurrected WITHOUT YOU GUYS, and now I can see why they went from more broad appeal.
I made the comment before I got to the part where Artosis said that he plays on lower settings. I still think the visuals need a lot of work but it's also not fair to judge the game on low settings. That might be a good disclaimer for the beginning of the video though haha.
@@allanshpeley4284 Honestly I don't know their size so you have a good point. And even if they are small in number, their Blizzard ancestry has garnered them more cash than the vast majority of small studios out there.
I thought it would be angels since we had demons and humans already, but I was wondering whether it would be tech angels or fantasy angels and it turns out tech.
other than archon, broodlord, and collosus doesnt every other starcraft 2 unit have an ability. zerg can burrow and morph, terran has stim and mech transformations, protoss most have one small ability or are full spellcasters
I agree all these guys are dumb to whine about "too many abilities", but its pretty intellectually dishonest to say "pretty much every zerg unit has an ability, they can transform and burrow" or mech transformations.
If there weren't any abilities ''LOL THIS UNIT IS SO BORING NICE A CLICK GAME'' if there are abilities ''WHY DOES EVERY UNIT HAVE ABILITIES'' They don't want to play Stormgate, they don't want anyone to play it and just randomly hate on shit. I hope the devs ignore them. Focus on making the game fun for the people that want to play it.
IDK if anyone has played the strategy game, Earth 2150, but the Celestials remind me of the Lunar Corporation faction from that game which was an incredibly unique faction in RTS games (it had no builder unit).
@@oDrashiao Not really, look at current Battle Aces beta. It's actually done, everything is 100% playable and there is 0 placeholders. This is how beta should look like. And Stormgate looks for now just bad, there is a lot to do, they should public this later. Now Battle Aces > Stormgate in every single aspect, so this is their mistake.
Looks like one of those games theyd make up for an episode of Law and Order SVU. Ice T comes on and is like "Turns out all the students behind these mass r*ping sprees have been huge fans of this game, SpaceCraft" "Back in my day we just had Super Maario."
What bothers me the most in this game is the camera angle. It feels like the terrain is in a different angle than the units/buildings. It's like the lack of terrain features gives it an illusion of top view like GTA2 but the units are rotated too much (or some not at all) and they look like they are going to fall... I don't know how to explain it but it feels like something is off.
Lots of people are comparing the Celestials to the StarCraft factions, but more people need to talk about their similarities with C&C factions. It's like they tried to make a C&C style faction exist within a Blizzard RTS. I see the Celestials and think of a hybrid between Tiberium Sun Nod and Protos.
Honestly not sure why I clicked on this video because I don't give even half of a rat's ass about this game, but I am so glad I did, because chat is just the best thing about this video. Literally did not pay attention to anything the dorkus in the video was saying.
@@JerryS-zb2lf wait what? Why would you think I'm lying? That chat was hilarious, and this game looks like refried butt on brioche. Even the mods were dunking on this garbage. You need to stop huffing that copium if you're gonna sit here and try to tell me that I'm lying about disliking something. That is not a good look, fam 😂
naw have u seen macro games in this? it's actually sick. besides plenty of other great games coming out soon you can play instead. RTS are dead regardless of whether ppl wanna believe it or not
22:15 AFAIK Total Annihilation had the laser weapon type that has range damage fall-off, on many units in 1997, a year before StarCraft released this mechanic carried through to SupCom and Beyond All Reason, a game you should probably go play at some point to become qualified to discuss RTS games 😈
I was really hoping there would be 4 or more races total. Everything about frost giant's Celestrial reveal makes it look like this is the last race, which just makes it look like a SC2 knockoff
The question that is most interesting to me is: what happens when you lose your flying main building thing (Arcstation)? Is it rebuildable or do you have to go on with what you have?
@@bigmikeobama5314 do you think pylons are the first rts example of a power building? Oh boy... You guys really shouldn't speak on this topic if you don't even know THAT about rts games lmao.... there's really not a lot of things you can point to in sc2 that are unique to sc2 in anything other than implementation. The concepts are all VERY derivative. It's one of the genres that does that the most, similar to like mmos and shit. It's not even remotely an insult to the game and it's uneducated when you don't even know that what you're comparing it to "using" isn't even what created it originally lmao this game might be pretty bad especially in modern gaming standards, we'll see. But let's stick to actual real reasons as to why, instead of playing 1 other game in our lives and using that to blindly template expectations lmaooooo
Mechanics seem fine, could make an interesting game, the graphics still need a lot of work obviously. I'd love if they had enough budget and worked on some cinematics, to me really brings out the game into a different light.
I think if it didn't rake in a TON of money from the awful TTS spam, subs, etc artosis would've dramatically changed the direction of chat by clamping down on nonsense and having heavier moderation. but dude has a wife and a lot of kids, getting to play the games he loves the most. chat being a cesspit is the tradeoff, and I can't blame him one bit. doesn't mean I ever watch live though
Man these comments are something else, either mad cope or mad hate. Im pretty unconvinced about this game so far myself, but Im sticking with the wait and see approach. Hoping for the best but I wont be surprised or disappointed if it fails. My general critiques so far is that it does look very generic and soulless. Units move rather slow over all, and even fairly small battles are messy and hard to follow, but I feel that way when I watch wc3 too because Im not that familiar with wc3 either so that might change once you familiarize yourself to everything. What I like about sc2 is that even when the battles are insane, you have a feel for whos winning. Healthbars are easy to see, and once you get a hang of power levels of units, you can tell fairly quickly which side has the advantage. When I watch battles in stormgate, I have no idea whos winning. Healthbars are small and weirdly colored, units are damage sponges almost like in wc3 and there are so many things strange animations going on. Like the rolling zealots here, they roll in do splash damage, then start blinking and explodes. The "marine stalkers" that have bright blue fairly slow moving projectiles at first, and then slightly less bright orange projectiles. The infernal siege unit that has a massive and bright orange wind up animation and then has range like a siege tank, while also having white health at first, and then very hard follow solid red/blue healthbars. I think this needs the classic green->yellow->red HP bars, especially since units here are fairly tanky compared to sc2.
They really need to work on the art style and graphics of this game. There's honestly no excuse from ex-Blizzard devs to make a game that has graphics that look like a cheap asset flip from a mobile game, considering that Zerospace has a smaller budget and looks a Hell of a lot better, visually.
@@zygonovism WoL alpha looked "different" than the final product but the core of what the people liked about SC2 graphics was there. The unit looked cool and the engine, while not fully utilized, was showing off some of the stuff that it could do. Here, there's just nothing I enjoy personally. I guess it's made with the mobile market in mind.
@@zygonovism Most of these people criticizing and memeing are kids that have never seen an actual alpha build of a game. I don't completely blame them because companies started pushing out beta ready builds as alphas for the sake of marketing 10-15 years ago, but it's still cringey if you know.
Stormgate has some interesting ideas. But this game is not rdy for mass consumption, and the intent to release this game july 30th is absurd. If it is released in this state, it doesn't matter how well designed it how, it will fail. This game is supposed to usher in a new era of rts and appeal to the masses. Well, the masses aren't gonna stick around for a game that screams, "placeholder"
This is kind of like a fusion of the big three of blizzard. I'm seeing the mechanics of Warcraft, the units of Starcraft, and the theming of Diablo. I think if they can deliver a good story then this would be a good start to a good series, and hopefully a second game with better better looks.
Being so close to release, this is absolutely embarrassing. I wish they just waited another year and released a finished product. Haven’t been this disappointed for a game in a long long time
this isn't finished, its coming out in beta.. thats not a full release, is the issue that modern gamers have brainrot due to prerelases and have no clue when a finished product is just that?
The game also has severe "not done yet, this is a placeholder" vibes everywhere. I think people are being a little too critical in that regard. That being said, I'm giving this game the same treatment I gave Halo Infinite, let it bake for 1-2 more years after "release" and play it once it's actually finished. Shame it has to be that way but that's the way things go these days.
@@coachmcguirk8277They can't bake it for more than a few months to a year max without a huge volume of microtransactions. They've admitted as much in several reddit threads. The game is an utter embarrassment. That Artosis is pushing this garbage speaks volumes to his character.
@@coachmcguirk8277 the abilities and unit mechanics aren't placeholders. they're deliberately ripping Sc2. I don't care what happened between Blizzard & their employees, this is juts unoriginal. Unlike Battle Aces, that seems like a game with original thought behind it
@@monolith-zl4qt They're ripping the whole game concept from Wc3 because they are the devs from Wc3. And since every unit has some special ability, we're back at a moba.
I found my favorite race. Up till now the other races seemed kinda boring to me, but these guys are cool. Them having an ability for just about everything is a good thing that separates them from the other factions. Morons complaining about it in the Twitch chat don't understand how immersive and interesting that makers the faction. And even though Arty has graphics set to "low", the game looks okay. Universe at War had a similar way of making the factions different, and I always appreciate that. God, I miss that game...
Pretty interesting race but the sounds that some of the units make drive me crazy (Kri and Vector specifically). I hope they will change it before the release. It's super annoying and only marginally better than hearing chalk scratching on a blackboard..
I was laughing with what chat was saying that I didn't pay much attention to Artosis. They were extremely mean but some had valid points. So you present a new race and some models aren't even finished yet? Just finish the units and then release the new race. There is potencial here but it needs at least another full year of development.
Another year just to be competitively playable, and then at least one more year to polish, add skins, get minimum balance etc. They really showed off the alpha build this past few months.
@@allanshpeley4284 blizzard had 40 million in what year ? Making a game for 40million in 2024 when the games are more complicated and expensive . With inflation it not as much as it used to be
I'm losing hope this games ever going to look good. I mean god the saturation alone is like x3 higher than League of legends. you'd think a game with Demons and angels would be... I dunno at least a little gritty. Also this race looks like it's going to be horrible to balance... oh like Protoss.
The graphics are final they have not set the shaders yet and anyone that's watched or played minecraft with a shader pack know how much of a difference that can make, but that will most likely only be done once they have all the character models are completed and in game. Most of the maps are just basic designs to serve their function. Alot of the people complaining about the maps being bare or looking bad didn't play sc2 WoL launch as the maps back them were crap before a lot of work went into them by a dedicated team at blizzard (for the reason of them being crap) and also the community to add texture and personality to the maps, stuff like reaper jumps, towers for overlords to chill on, and narrow openings at mains and natural bases(for protoss to wall cheaply) were standardized so I think we will see the same happen here once the community gets its hands on the map editor.
you mean their blue and white and some of them are triangle shaped? You really sat there typing this shit like you're not going to be laughed at the first time someone googles this shit? TOTAL ANNIHILATIONS MAP DECALS HAVE LIKE 3 PIXELS, THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE QUALITY WISE.
@@Draklora Im glad you said it, the hate for this game seems so prevalent and shallow that it has to be a paid or concerted effort to tank this game, never seen so many people bitch about visuals to a free game. To the point you think genuine interest in this game could only be from the dev.
@@JerryS-zb2lf you seriously look at this game and get excited? Its slow, uninspired and frankly bland. If everytime we see a new unit or building we can compare it to some Sc2 or warcraft counterpart, why does this game even exist?
@@kidB_81 "Excited"? Homie Im a grown man with two kids, I don't feel anymore. But Im not going to mindlessly shit on something because the RTS community is a bunch of cynical sheep. Lets be clear, something can copy SC2 units DIRECTLY (which isn't whats happening here) and still be fun, you're just not happy the RTS genre has limited choices I guess, they pick alien like strange race, "LUL ITS JUST THE SCRIN" picks modern military instead of hyper futuristic one "LUL ITS JUST A MILITARY RTS" picks futuristic angels, "LUL THATS JUST THE PROTOSS" See? no winning with you fucks. so yeah now Im actually excited by this game solely because people are hating it for completely weird ass reasons, despite the fact that this will be free to play and the community will thrive without the RTS old guard.
@@kidB_81 Starcraft and Warcraft are considered the GOAT RTS games for a reason. Any RTS that doesn't replicate them in some shape or form is shooting itself in the foot. SC2 in particular has, bar none, the best UI in the RTS space. These games absolutely should be studied to understand why they work, and I'm really glad they're imitating solid, proven design. Could they stand to be more original? Yeah, sure. But would this game appeal to dedicated RTS players if it didn't in some way resemble Warcraft III or Starcraft 1/2? Probably not. You'd probably see inverted comments of people asking or complaining why it isn't more like Starcraft or Warcraft when the devs are ex-blizzard.
@@tgr3423 yeah sure enjoy playing your Starcraft 0,5 placeholder game. No team play until late 2025 anyway. They wanted to create "the RTS for everyone" but right now they are creating a game for no none. As for the blizzard dev argument we keep hearing so much about, do I need to remind you that these guys arent the ones who created the great games like Starcraft broodwar and WC3. These are the guys that ruined Starcraft by making no-fun units like the Mothership core, the swarm hosts and the disruptors. I used to believe in this game and I was on the hype train. Now the more I see it develop I couldn't care less about playing this game.
Honestly not impressed by the roster... We have basically Terran - which I think I like the most; basically Zerg, but Demon; basically Protoss, but called celestials (not in art). For this army the abilities are kinda meh... Cabal mastery training being literally Banshee's Possession from WC3, which is also mastery training in WC3... I withhold strong opinions on the graphics - very early, but it looks clayish, I hope that doesn't stay like that. Overall Vanguard look like my guys so far, disappointed in the third race overall... Infernals for being demons have no models that feel badass, many other games have a better looking demon race... Celestials are kinda geometry shapes in the sky or whatever... meh Vulcan is bae
This is the reason games arent good anymore btw. Noone wants to put in this much effort to have a bunch of schizos melting down over alpha footage. Why take a risk when you can just make the 50th call of duty game, or nba 2025, or a mobile game. So good job everyone throwing around nothing but negativity, you are all part of the cancer killing gaming.
@@momoaa My brother in Christ, take a chill pill. As a non gamer person myself I don't know the titles you spoke of but I understand the gaming industry takes time to produce a game, and this game - Be it in Alpha, Omega or whatever - looks off not from a graphic stand point necessarily, but from a design prism. It looks like a copy of Broodwar. Hopefully the game does well for the RTS category. So no, no one is melting here, at least I'm not, in fact you are the one that seems distressed, I hope you are ok. I wasn't aware that non gamers such as myself were the cancer that is killing gaming but I guess you know what you are talking about since you talk with such property and measure.
@@JerryS-zb2lf the RTS community is just like the CS community, they just cannot fucking believe that a game can be different from their and good at the same time. I trust that this game will be amazing when it drops.
@@YusufBroujerdi Wrong. They're nearly out of money. They've admitted that they have enough to get to alpha this summer but will need in game transactions to continue developing afterwards.
so this would be the race for all the small brainlets? Also when are they planning to add swarm hosts, broodlords and infestors or are those already in the game? Feels like too many abilities everywhere ngl
This looks really interesting! Also wow Artosis's chat seems like some of the most insufferable people you could find on the internet. Is that normal? Or is there just something about stormgate that really gets to that crowd?
I mean they have a point, the game is super early and should not be judged yet. Having said that... Why the fuck are they showing so much of it then!? Ultimately this is the fault of their marketing strategy.
@@Ravengagepvl Someone had to see and approve these designs from concept artists so modelers could do them in 3d. It would be pointless to make such complex placeholders. So it's almost 90% how the game is going to look like (I'm not talking about blue models btw)
This game has a better chance at being competitive than “Battle Aces” - but the Celestial race is purely over powered. I’m not entirely sure of Parting’s perspective on Celestials, perhaps their early game is too open to aggression. However, late game the Celestials seem so strong and capable of containing the other races. You will have every base with a highly flexible army and effective abilities/tools. Race balances like this make the esports and competitive side difficult. In terms of Battle Aces, that will never see grand esport success due to severe tempo shifts in win/lose states and overall lack of development in a consistent player skill demonstration. In that game, it will be too easy to lose a game or series from a lower skill opponent from spontaneous factors that are purely based on the game’s design. It’s more like Mario Party RTS Battle Royal.
Funny enough. Dueing beta, the celestials win rate dropped significantly after the first day. People got used to the gimics quickly, and celestials didnt even have the highest winrate despite over 50% of players maining them
This game legit looks like something 5 Dudes hacked together during a weekend game jam. I am not saying the gameplay is bad since I haven't played it, but its so rare that a game turns me off immediately just from looking at it. I am not a graphics guy either. It's wild how unpleasant this is to look at and listen to.
I don't see it, but Im also a reasonable human who knows it "being released" in beta for testing and a full "Realease" aren't the same thing, maybe temper your expectations like a normal human being instead of being caught up in the sheep baaaahing about something petty.
Fool! You have just ensured the doom of this world. You cannot even begin to imagine what you’ve set in motion this day. Go to the Temple of Light, in the eastern city of Kurast. There, you will find the gate to Hell opened before you. You must find the courage to step through that gate, Marius. Take the stone you hold to the Hellforge, where it will be destroyed. Now run! Take the stone and run!
This is diablo 2 lol
@@maxsta4088The BEST Diablo
I think one of the most interesting things is this race doesn't have a supply depot. Notice it says 0/300 right at the start. Crazy. I think there is some energy maintenance that replace the effort of making depots/pylons/overlords or whatever equivalent this game has for the other two races.
Yeah they basically have the power mechanic from command & conquer instead of supply/food from starcraft and warcraft, while still having the 300 cap.
And power banks cost 10 supply.
what would be really cool is if powered off buildings were "harder to detect" like not exactly stealth mode, but powered on buildings have some noise / light so you can tell a bit from the distance that they're there.
ie in starcraft you can hear pylons being built or nyduses even if you cant see them; what if you can "hear" a busy proxied structure unless it's powered off.
Makes the game more intriguing to me now. Just needs a speed buff and art direction overhaul for 80% of units
oh sweet child, 2 other RTS's coming out and one looks like a monetization bait and the others just a mess, good luck finding another RTS because I don't think their marketing to you anymore.
@@JerryS-zb2lf or you talk for yourself and let others decide what they enjoy and what not, huh?
@@Nuurix said the guy defending someone demanding the entire game gets over hauled, yeah why not "talk for yourself and let others decide what they enjoy and what not, huh?"
@@JerryS-zb2lf well im not trying to take away your opinion, you are entitled to that and if you wish to never play stormgate, thats on you! The difference is, I am defending the expression of opinion from OP and in general, while you are trying to take away the opinion of his by patronizing him ("oh sweet child" "good luck finding"). Not tolerating intolerance is not the same as being intolerant in the first place.
The sounds as well for the celestials needs an overhaul.
There have been several prominant RTS that have units which deal more damage the closer they are. Off the top of my head, almost everything in Company of Heroes 1/2/3 (technically accuracy), Peacekeepers in Red Alert 3, Shotgun scouts and suppression weapons in Dawn of War 2. There's probably way more. Artosis has very strong opinions about RTS but I get the feeling he has only really played Blizzard RTS and Age of Empires.
For sure. He doesnt even seem familiar with warcraft 3 mechanics which is wild.
"The Artosis Prism"
SC1 Terran units with abilities (9):
Bio: marine (stim), firebat (stim), medic (heal, optical flare, restoration), ghost (cloak, lockdown, nukes)
Mech: vulture (spider mines), siege tank (siege mode)
Air: wraith (cloak), science vessel (emp, irradiate, d matrix), battlecruiser (yamato)
SC1 Terran units without abilities (3):
Bio:
Mech: goliath
Air: dropship, valkyrie
I've never seen anyone rant about why almost every Terran unit has an ability, and yet it seems to be non-stop with stormgate. I think the key is giving units good abilities that are meaningful choices and situational trade-offs that add to gameplay.
I think it's more like stim, siege, cloak and spider mines are almost not "actual abilities", it's more like creative mechanics or something. Stim you mostly just press once on start of the battle. Vultures only get 3 mines and they're mostly only placed when you're not in battle. Yamato is slow and very expensive so you're left with ghost, vessel and situationally medic.
Protos as well, just HT, DA and Arbiter.
Zerg just Defiler and Queen which is almost never used, morph to guardian and lurker doesn't count. Devourer spores? Maybe?
SC2 is already to much imho, zealot charge, stalker blink, adept... I mean, can't a guy just attack move and do some basic micro? I would argue that charge makes zealots even less microable!
I like when they do abilities that you CAN use - but don't have to (and they don't make the unit totally useless if you don't use those abilities).
I’d consider valk splash to be its passive ability
the real reason is people want to hate this game and see it fail because they think it's a "ripoff" with "bad" art. They'll just invent any reason to hate on it.
All of these abilities are stupid gimmicks. Nobody is going to bother to remember what these dumb units do because it's so convoluted. Reminds me of Diablo 4. Garbage. Stim, mines, and siege mode are all incredibly iconic and easy to understand mechanics, in comparison.
@@perfectman3077 Agree. They just get weirder.
Gotta divide these abilites into categories of whether you have to explain them or not.
I will withhold my judgement on this game until they have all the final models and units in, but one thing I can say is that they showed it way too early.
I agree. In theory it sounds great to bring in feedback early. In practice you don‘t have the time to incorporate all the feedback and most importantly: mobs of people are stupid. There is nothing to gain from a mob but superficial comments and at worst negative press.
If they don't plan to rethink the visuals from the scratch they can't save this game from bombing. They need to have a talk with art director/concept artists. But these are full 3d models and not place holders so I don't think it's gonna happen (because it's gonna be a huge pain in the ass)
Couldn’t agree more
@@f1shze4lot Game will be great dont worry, go play BW now old man
@@f1shze4lot I think the simple, cartoony maps influence the look some people aren't liking a lot more than the units. They should get a map editor in the hands of the community asap to see if people can make maps with different lighting, tile sets, and more detail that people might like better.
Imo it's the most unique faction in this game. I see here most new and fresh ideas. So the Stormgate has three factions: Terran, Zerg/Protoss mix and a new one. I wish there were three new factions but at least this one is something new.
yea this game is honestly starting to shape up, i'm excited to play casual team games with friends and maybe try the 1v1 mode if they can balance everything correctly
Why don't infernal units eating corpses and getting stronger by doing that?
Why don't infernal units eating corpses and getting stronger by doing that?
The third faction is actually I'll imported from Command and Conquer.
Nothing about this faction is unique, they're just ripping off different games
Interesting SC2 custom map.
Oh, okay, this is the cheese race. Got it.
Those flying buildings that can produce seem to have super high cheese potential! It will be hard to balance this race since they seem to rely on crazy spells and gimmicks
@@chibinyaProtoss all over again
This game literally feels like they threw all unit abilities and units from SC and WC into a giant hat and just started pulling out stuff to create new units.
"ok, so we got a protoss observer with huntress ability from WC3 and Oracle revelation, fancy that."
Screw the abilities, the entire interface is copied too. The top bar with abilities is such an obvious copy of SC2 LoV/coop ability bar. The entire supply system and resources. Even the map is basically Twisted Meadows from Wc3
@@JN-hs5xl bro those people designed sc2. they made also wc3, its a twist yes. twist without new-gaming era blshits
@@marcinluter1195 Bro, no, those guys didn't design SC2. A lot of them worked at Blizzard, and on the SC2 team at the end, but the people that designed the game are not at Frost Giant. Sigity, Pardo, Metzen, Kim, etc are the ones behind Wings of Liberty. The Frost Giant guys are skilled and have a lot of great work in the past, but lets please give credit where it is due.
@@JN-hs5xl are you a professional idiot or part time? Adding in a top bar with abilities isn't a copy from LOTV its a fucking top bar. Thats like saying they copied the minimap.
" I need completely new takes on RTS, despite the fact that their are so many that any ability is likely a copy" SC2 itself has abilities you could claim were from C&C first, and Im even more shocked how its the same two comments "looks bad" "stole mechanics" if this is all it takes for you to be turned away then maybe the game was never for you.
you should probably max the graphics while doing showcases like this
Lowkey I think it may have been a cover up. The way he phrased it, it was as if it was his setting that made the model bright blue and unfinished, which just ain’t true
"pre alpha ugly, me no likely" Im so glad this is aimed at DOTA fans more than hardcore rts fans you people are becoming insufferable in one comment section, literally thats all it took to view you as brainless "I dislike pre alpha visuals too" shit. I actually think MOBA players are less toxic than RTS players now, thanks.
@@JerryS-zb2lf The cope of a guy defending a game that raised 2.4 million dollars. It's not that people think the art style is ugly (which it is) it's that the models are unreadable from a glance. Also claiming it's for Dota fans when the entire game was supposedly the resurrection of the "hardcore rts" genre is amazing. You're simultaneously the group you are mocking with that statement.
@@IllTakeThisName its all alpha, so literally everything you've said is moot. Sure, resurrected WITHOUT YOU GUYS, and now I can see why they went from more broad appeal.
@@IllTakeThisName Sorry to tell you man, they raised $35M from investors then another roughly $5M from fans. It's far worse than you think
Cool theme for this race. Hopefully the art is iterated on quite a bit. I get that they're a small studio but the visuals do need work.
I made the comment before I got to the part where Artosis said that he plays on lower settings. I still think the visuals need a lot of work but it's also not fair to judge the game on low settings. That might be a good disclaimer for the beginning of the video though haha.
They raised and burned through nearly $40M. That's not exactly a small studio.
@@allanshpeley4284 Honestly I don't know their size so you have a good point. And even if they are small in number, their Blizzard ancestry has garnered them more cash than the vast majority of small studios out there.
lol i cant believe they added the mothership core.
With the mothership core protoss at least still had a shot at winning major tournaments.
how is it that unbelievable considering 80% of the other units are from sc
@@awagnow which ones?
That should tell you that this game is doomed on release.
Angels was my top pick for a third race. This should be fun.
My guess was "if stormgate devs are boring, itll be robots, if not, it will be angels".
Turns out a bit of both.
I thought it would be angels since we had demons and humans already, but I was wondering whether it would be tech angels or fantasy angels and it turns out tech.
StormGate its like a little bit of everything.
Mechanics from W3 and SC´s, art from Valorant and HoT, history from a futuristic Diablo...
Ngl my brain switches off so quickly as much as I want this game to be good
very nice explanation of a cool concept race
other than archon, broodlord, and collosus doesnt every other starcraft 2 unit have an ability. zerg can burrow and morph, terran has stim and mech transformations, protoss most have one small ability or are full spellcasters
I agree all these guys are dumb to whine about "too many abilities", but its pretty intellectually dishonest to say "pretty much every zerg unit has an ability, they can transform and burrow" or mech transformations.
If there weren't any abilities ''LOL THIS UNIT IS SO BORING NICE A CLICK GAME'' if there are abilities ''WHY DOES EVERY UNIT HAVE ABILITIES''
They don't want to play Stormgate, they don't want anyone to play it and just randomly hate on shit. I hope the devs ignore them. Focus on making the game fun for the people that want to play it.
I like the theme of this new race
The idea is great...the execution is terrible
@@cavemanteroeven the idea wasn't that great tbh.
what "theme"?
Love seeing some concepts from _Total Annihilation_ like building power toggles make their way in here.
1:07 I love the sounds of the Morph Core. Also, that combination of words sounds so cool.
IDK if anyone has played the strategy game, Earth 2150, but the Celestials remind me of the Lunar Corporation faction from that game which was an incredibly unique faction in RTS games (it had no builder unit).
“Technological angels”
He meant protoss.
This entire game is a placeholder
😆
Well that is literally how game development works
@@oDrashiao Not really, look at current Battle Aces beta. It's actually done, everything is 100% playable and there is 0 placeholders. This is how beta should look like. And Stormgate looks for now just bad, there is a lot to do, they should public this later. Now Battle Aces > Stormgate in every single aspect, so this is their mistake.
Looks like one of those games theyd make up for an episode of Law and Order SVU. Ice T comes on and is like "Turns out all the students behind these mass r*ping sprees have been huge fans of this game, SpaceCraft" "Back in my day we just had Super Maario."
I think this is my favorite race out of the 3 so far. Lets see what the other tier 3 units will be like
What bothers me the most in this game is the camera angle. It feels like the terrain is in a different angle than the units/buildings. It's like the lack of terrain features gives it an illusion of top view like GTA2 but the units are rotated too much (or some not at all) and they look like they are going to fall... I don't know how to explain it but it feels like something is off.
I honestly don't see it.
I know what you mean.
Some of the stuff makes me think Total Annihilation.
The prism makes Protoss orb units look like original and distinct designs. Made in Blender in less than 2 minutes.
Lots of people are comparing the Celestials to the StarCraft factions, but more people need to talk about their similarities with C&C factions. It's like they tried to make a C&C style faction exist within a Blizzard RTS. I see the Celestials and think of a hybrid between Tiberium Sun Nod and Protos.
The best part of the video is the chat. It had me laughing in tears.
they just kept saying "game bad" over and over, why's that funny?
Honestly not sure why I clicked on this video because I don't give even half of a rat's ass about this game, but I am so glad I did, because chat is just the best thing about this video.
Literally did not pay attention to anything the dorkus in the video was saying.
@@SlamDancinMoogle you don't care about the game but specifically love the chat that does nothing but shit on it? I detect a liar.
@@JerryS-zb2lf wait what? Why would you think I'm lying? That chat was hilarious, and this game looks like refried butt on brioche. Even the mods were dunking on this garbage.
You need to stop huffing that copium if you're gonna sit here and try to tell me that I'm lying about disliking something. That is not a good look, fam 😂
My hatred for Stormgate is becoming borderline uncontrollable.
Right there with you, Its like Artosis came out and said theres 68 genders and people are actually praising him for it
@@catra195 Grow up.
Eh, I don't have hatred for it myself, just aggressive indifference, it's the most meh thing i've seen in RTS in a while. :/
@@KaiserMattTygore927 growing up is what? Accepting trends and popular opinion over objective reality? Wym grow up
naw have u seen macro games in this? it's actually sick. besides plenty of other great games coming out soon you can play instead. RTS are dead regardless of whether ppl wanna believe it or not
22:15 AFAIK Total Annihilation had the laser weapon type that has range damage fall-off, on many units
in 1997, a year before StarCraft released
this mechanic carried through to SupCom and Beyond All Reason, a game you should probably go play at some point to become qualified to discuss RTS games 😈
My life for Aiur! 💪
I was really hoping there would be 4 or more races total. Everything about frost giant's Celestrial reveal makes it look like this is the last race, which just makes it look like a SC2 knockoff
protoss with banelings and comsat scans, I want to see artosis play against this
The question that is most interesting to me is: what happens when you lose your flying main building thing (Arcstation)? Is it rebuildable or do you have to go on with what you have?
i asked someone that, said it’s rebuildable and could have more than one at a time but not much of a point
This game screams: "Everything new is like something old"
derivative asf
@@bigmikeobama5314 do you think pylons are the first rts example of a power building?
Oh boy... You guys really shouldn't speak on this topic if you don't even know THAT about rts games lmao....
there's really not a lot of things you can point to in sc2 that are unique to sc2 in anything other than implementation. The concepts are all VERY derivative. It's one of the genres that does that the most, similar to like mmos and shit. It's not even remotely an insult to the game and it's uneducated when you don't even know that what you're comparing it to "using" isn't even what created it originally lmao
this game might be pretty bad especially in modern gaming standards, we'll see. But let's stick to actual real reasons as to why, instead of playing 1 other game in our lives and using that to blindly template expectations lmaooooo
Modern game devs do not like taking risks, sad but true.
@@Igor369 well bigger studios and those with a lot of external investment aren't. Same indies like us can take more risk and be more innovative. :)
@@Disconnected66 calling someone uneducated just because they said a cold hard fact sounds very uneducated.
Snoregate will be such a monumental flop, oh my god
No way game looks great.
What lmao
@@speakertrees copium
@Blademaster1989 Can't you see it? Good game before you but you Killin it. You move like Fentynal
I mean its F2P so.. it'll probably do well 😂
Mechanics seem fine, could make an interesting game, the graphics still need a lot of work obviously. I'd love if they had enough budget and worked on some cinematics, to me really brings out the game into a different light.
Can you somehow rebuild the main structure? I think infernals can just rush into their scourges and nuke it
Holy shit the chat is so toxic and childish lmao
Shut up nerd
I think if it didn't rake in a TON of money from the awful TTS spam, subs, etc artosis would've dramatically changed the direction of chat by clamping down on nonsense and having heavier moderation. but dude has a wife and a lot of kids, getting to play the games he loves the most.
chat being a cesspit is the tradeoff, and I can't blame him one bit. doesn't mean I ever watch live though
Kind of shocked he actually left the chat in, funny but presumably the editor's fault (or the editor is part of the deep SC state)
I agree, but so are you
@@catra195 Lol what
I'm going to make my own gate game one day...
Gateway game?
I am exalted to see it.
evidently its as easy as ea sports, just change the year and re release it the way they did with this game
@@bigmikeobama5314 what the fuck? Please explain when the last relase of stormgate was, I'll wait werid ass.
Man these comments are something else, either mad cope or mad hate. Im pretty unconvinced about this game so far myself, but Im sticking with the wait and see approach. Hoping for the best but I wont be surprised or disappointed if it fails.
My general critiques so far is that it does look very generic and soulless. Units move rather slow over all, and even fairly small battles are messy and hard to follow, but I feel that way when I watch wc3 too because Im not that familiar with wc3 either so that might change once you familiarize yourself to everything.
What I like about sc2 is that even when the battles are insane, you have a feel for whos winning. Healthbars are easy to see, and once you get a hang of power levels of units, you can tell fairly quickly which side has the advantage. When I watch battles in stormgate, I have no idea whos winning. Healthbars are small and weirdly colored, units are damage sponges almost like in wc3 and there are so many things strange animations going on. Like the rolling zealots here, they roll in do splash damage, then start blinking and explodes. The "marine stalkers" that have bright blue fairly slow moving projectiles at first, and then slightly less bright orange projectiles. The infernal siege unit that has a massive and bright orange wind up animation and then has range like a siege tank, while also having white health at first, and then very hard follow solid red/blue healthbars.
I think this needs the classic green->yellow->red HP bars, especially since units here are fairly tanky compared to sc2.
They really need to work on the art style and graphics of this game.
There's honestly no excuse from ex-Blizzard devs to make a game that has graphics that look like a cheap asset flip from a mobile game, considering that Zerospace has a smaller budget and looks a Hell of a lot better, visually.
As a SC fan .. i was expecting something much much better...
please explain this.
@@JerryS-zb2lf definitely doesnt look like a modern game. the art design is poor ...
@@JerryS-zb2lf Why are you simping for a game that looks like it could have come out on mobile 15 years ago?
@@JerryS-zb2lf bro you are everywhere defending this 😂
Green crystal reminds me of sims.
Catbuses and mothership cores that sounds like electronic glass. What a time to be alive.
They seem a mix of Protoss with Night Elf and some new stuff
HEAVEN VS HELL, ON EARTH. How original
just like doom
Every single good story is archetypal in nature. Of all the gripes, this is the dumbest.
@@bigmikeobama5314 I dont think theres any heaven in Doom.. only hell vs earth (and mars)
@@inmundo6927maykrs actually look a lot like celestials. Technological angels is a good summary
@@denarte6986 Maykrs.. backstory of Doom (2016) I thought we were talking about DOOM (1993), not just whatever doom mod, sequel, etc.
anyway
It should ve be stopping warping when pylon moves out of range
I have confidence in the gameplay but the graphics are killing me
you're new to game development right? you're watching an alpha demo. do you remember wol alpha?
@@zygonovism WoL alpha looked "different" than the final product but the core of what the people liked about SC2 graphics was there. The unit looked cool and the engine, while not fully utilized, was showing off some of the stuff that it could do. Here, there's just nothing I enjoy personally. I guess it's made with the mobile market in mind.
people did not like the sc2 graphics. Team liquid was full of hate comments similar to what you see in this comment section.
@@nholanl1952 It's important to go with a style and just run with it. If they keep trying to change things it will lead to a lost vision.
@@zygonovism Most of these people criticizing and memeing are kids that have never seen an actual alpha build of a game. I don't completely blame them because companies started pushing out beta ready builds as alphas for the sake of marketing 10-15 years ago, but it's still cringey if you know.
Why everything needs like a million abilities?
Stormgate has some interesting ideas. But this game is not rdy for mass consumption, and the intent to release this game july 30th is absurd. If it is released in this state, it doesn't matter how well designed it how, it will fail. This game is supposed to usher in a new era of rts and appeal to the masses. Well, the masses aren't gonna stick around for a game that screams, "placeholder"
This is kind of like a fusion of the big three of blizzard. I'm seeing the mechanics of Warcraft, the units of Starcraft, and the theming of Diablo. I think if they can deliver a good story then this would be a good start to a good series, and hopefully a second game with better better looks.
Nice, now protoss have banelings.
6:40-7:20 best part
The race looks like it was inspired by Total Annihilation.
similar building shapes and colors, thats about it.
uh I dont mean to be rude but have you actually played total annihilation?
Being so close to release, this is absolutely embarrassing. I wish they just waited another year and released a finished product. Haven’t been this disappointed for a game in a long long time
They are waiting a few more years before release
Erm... they're releasing into early access, not an actual release.
this isn't finished, its coming out in beta.. thats not a full release, is the issue that modern gamers have brainrot due to prerelases and have no clue when a finished product is just that?
They need your eSports money, because this game is 100% eSports ready!
@@XFoX90 alpha game esports ready, yikes you folks are lost.
This is getting very Orwellian, He's trying to convince us something is cool DESPITE what we see with our own eyes.
Ya thats what happens when you are financially motivated
The game also has severe "not done yet, this is a placeholder" vibes everywhere. I think people are being a little too critical in that regard. That being said, I'm giving this game the same treatment I gave Halo Infinite, let it bake for 1-2 more years after "release" and play it once it's actually finished. Shame it has to be that way but that's the way things go these days.
@@coachmcguirk8277They can't bake it for more than a few months to a year max without a huge volume of microtransactions. They've admitted as much in several reddit threads. The game is an utter embarrassment. That Artosis is pushing this garbage speaks volumes to his character.
@@coachmcguirk8277 the abilities and unit mechanics aren't placeholders. they're deliberately ripping Sc2. I don't care what happened between Blizzard & their employees, this is juts unoriginal. Unlike Battle Aces, that seems like a game with original thought behind it
@@monolith-zl4qt They're ripping the whole game concept from Wc3 because they are the devs from Wc3.
And since every unit has some special ability, we're back at a moba.
They look like one of those cheap toy sets you'd buy from a $1 shop for your little nephew
Seems like this game is trying to be everything to everyone in the RTS space, I don't know if that's good or bad.
its bad
I think we have to remember it may have similarities to SC, THEY MADE BOTH GAMES.....
this race seems to be very influenced by C&C, i mean, building without workers, harvesters, moving CC, energy upkeep for buildings
They have alot of work to do...
you aren't ever going to play it, why pretend?
This game have very hugly art.
I have played it and it's fun
I found my favorite race. Up till now the other races seemed kinda boring to me, but these guys are cool. Them having an ability for just about everything is a good thing that separates them from the other factions. Morons complaining about it in the Twitch chat don't understand how immersive and interesting that makers the faction. And even though Arty has graphics set to "low", the game looks okay. Universe at War had a similar way of making the factions different, and I always appreciate that. God, I miss that game...
Pretty interesting race but the sounds that some of the units make drive me crazy (Kri and Vector specifically). I hope they will change it before the release. It's super annoying and only marginally better than hearing chalk scratching on a blackboard..
Wait... why is that vector thing growling? Wth? Who thought "lets make that starship looking thing sound like a wild boar"
Cause it's an alpha build, so it's full of placeholders.
Seems no dropships yet?
I was laughing with what chat was saying that I didn't pay much attention to Artosis. They were extremely mean but some had valid points.
So you present a new race and some models aren't even finished yet? Just finish the units and then release the new race.
There is potencial here but it needs at least another full year of development.
The reason for early showings is they don't have blizzard money . Investers want to see progress and excitement .
Another year just to be competitively playable, and then at least one more year to polish, add skins, get minimum balance etc. They really showed off the alpha build this past few months.
@@AtteliaVel They had $40M lmao
@@allanshpeley4284 blizzard had 40 million in what year ? Making a game for 40million in 2024 when the games are more complicated and expensive . With inflation it not as much as it used to be
I'm losing hope this games ever going to look good. I mean god the saturation alone is like x3 higher than League of legends.
you'd think a game with Demons and angels would be... I dunno at least a little gritty.
Also this race looks like it's going to be horrible to balance... oh like Protoss.
it looks like they are mining dookie rocks
are these graphics final or will be improved for release ?
I don't know, but Artosis does admit that he is on low graphics at 23:47
@@Ouvii Artosis is also a sellout who's putting on his best "this game isn't dogwater I swear" face.
The graphics are final they have not set the shaders yet and anyone that's watched or played minecraft with a shader pack know how much of a difference that can make, but that will most likely only be done once they have all the character models are completed and in game. Most of the maps are just basic designs to serve their function. Alot of the people complaining about the maps being bare or looking bad didn't play sc2 WoL launch as the maps back them were crap before a lot of work went into them by a dedicated team at blizzard (for the reason of them being crap) and also the community to add texture and personality to the maps, stuff like reaper jumps, towers for overlords to chill on, and narrow openings at mains and natural bases(for protoss to wall cheaply) were standardized so I think we will see the same happen here once the community gets its hands on the map editor.
Who cares about graphics? It's all about the gameplay which looks interesting.
feel like something that xel naga couldve been
Can’t wait to play this on my iPad 😅
Prepare to skip ads every 3 minutes and pay to accelerate units and damage output.
The buildings looks uncannily like Total Annihilation...a game from 1997.
you mean their blue and white and some of them are triangle shaped? You really sat there typing this shit like you're not going to be laughed at the first time someone googles this shit? TOTAL ANNIHILATIONS MAP DECALS HAVE LIKE 3 PIXELS, THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE QUALITY WISE.
@JerryS-zb2lf yeah, fair enough. Hey you know what else is only like 3 pixels?...
@@thesand nothing relevant to this conversation so goodbye loser.
This has to be dev account, he is defending game under every comment. I have never seen so much coping
@@Draklora Im glad you said it, the hate for this game seems so prevalent and shallow that it has to be a paid or concerted effort to tank this game, never seen so many people bitch about visuals to a free game. To the point you think genuine
interest in this game could only be from the dev.
Dead on arrival looking race
why's that?
@@JerryS-zb2lf you seriously look at this game and get excited? Its slow, uninspired and frankly bland. If everytime we see a new unit or building we can compare it to some Sc2 or warcraft counterpart, why does this game even exist?
@@kidB_81 "Excited"? Homie Im a grown man with two kids, I don't feel anymore. But Im not going to mindlessly shit on something because the RTS community is a bunch of cynical sheep. Lets be clear, something can copy SC2 units DIRECTLY (which isn't whats happening here) and still be fun, you're just not happy the RTS genre has limited choices I guess, they pick alien like strange race, "LUL ITS JUST THE SCRIN" picks modern military instead of hyper futuristic one "LUL ITS JUST A MILITARY RTS" picks futuristic angels, "LUL THATS JUST THE PROTOSS" See? no winning with you fucks. so yeah now Im actually excited by this game solely because people are hating it for completely weird ass reasons, despite the fact that this will be free to play and the community will thrive without the RTS old guard.
@@kidB_81 Starcraft and Warcraft are considered the GOAT RTS games for a reason. Any RTS that doesn't replicate them in some shape or form is shooting itself in the foot. SC2 in particular has, bar none, the best UI in the RTS space. These games absolutely should be studied to understand why they work, and I'm really glad they're imitating solid, proven design.
Could they stand to be more original? Yeah, sure. But would this game appeal to dedicated RTS players if it didn't in some way resemble Warcraft III or Starcraft 1/2? Probably not. You'd probably see inverted comments of people asking or complaining why it isn't more like Starcraft or Warcraft when the devs are ex-blizzard.
@@tgr3423 yeah sure enjoy playing your Starcraft 0,5 placeholder game. No team play until late 2025 anyway. They wanted to create "the RTS for everyone" but right now they are creating a game for no none.
As for the blizzard dev argument we keep hearing so much about, do I need to remind you that these guys arent the ones who created the great games like Starcraft broodwar and WC3. These are the guys that ruined Starcraft by making no-fun units like the Mothership core, the swarm hosts and the disruptors.
I used to believe in this game and I was on the hype train. Now the more I see it develop I couldn't care less about playing this game.
Honestly not impressed by the roster... We have basically Terran - which I think I like the most; basically Zerg, but Demon; basically Protoss, but called celestials (not in art).
For this army the abilities are kinda meh... Cabal mastery training being literally Banshee's Possession from WC3, which is also mastery training in WC3...
I withhold strong opinions on the graphics - very early, but it looks clayish, I hope that doesn't stay like that.
Overall Vanguard look like my guys so far, disappointed in the third race overall... Infernals for being demons have no models that feel badass, many other games have a better looking demon race... Celestials are kinda geometry shapes in the sky or whatever... meh
Vulcan is bae
Hopefully the game does well but the sound effects are terribly limp.
Not for me. Can't believe a team spent 5 to 7 years developing a game and having the public just not liking it, such a big gamble.
This is the reason games arent good anymore btw. Noone wants to put in this much effort to have a bunch of schizos melting down over alpha footage. Why take a risk when you can just make the 50th call of duty game, or nba 2025, or a mobile game.
So good job everyone throwing around nothing but negativity, you are all part of the cancer killing gaming.
the "public" is the hyper up its own ass RTS community and jsut that right now, everyone else is looking forward to seeing what a free rts will bring.
@@momoaa My brother in Christ, take a chill pill. As a non gamer person myself I don't know the titles you spoke of but I understand the gaming industry takes time to produce a game, and this game - Be it in Alpha, Omega or whatever - looks off not from a graphic stand point necessarily, but from a design prism. It looks like a copy of Broodwar. Hopefully the game does well for the RTS category. So no, no one is melting here, at least I'm not, in fact you are the one that seems distressed, I hope you are ok. I wasn't aware that non gamers such as myself were the cancer that is killing gaming but I guess you know what you are talking about since you talk with such property and measure.
@@JerryS-zb2lf the RTS community is just like the CS community, they just cannot fucking believe that a game can be different from their and good at the same time. I trust that this game will be amazing when it drops.
Well, that's protoss.
You are beautiful Artosis
I'm not too big on the new faction's art style, but run it on high graphics next time if you want to cut down on gitc complaining lmao
let them, they'll be playing it no matter what, its free.w
Please tell me that the graphic of the game will change.....
Yes it will. They're avoiding making detailed art of the units until they've finalized gameplay, and the map tilesets are placeholders.
@@YusufBroujerdi Wrong. They're nearly out of money. They've admitted that they have enough to get to alpha this summer but will need in game transactions to continue developing afterwards.
Artosis pretending dementia while ignoring all the twitch comments criticizing the game is peak comedy.
after watching battle aces, then watching this video, it's clear now to see that this game has a lack of identity
so this would be the race for all the small brainlets? Also when are they planning to add swarm hosts, broodlords and infestors or are those already in the game? Feels like too many abilities everywhere ngl
Come on Artosis, just main Celestials and save yourself the hassle that Terran brought you for 30 years.
Game looks like one of those asset flip scams. Calling this an sc2 mod would be a compliment.
mostly no notes but this would look better in yellow/gold instead of blue
This looks really interesting! Also wow Artosis's chat seems like some of the most insufferable people you could find on the internet. Is that normal? Or is there just something about stormgate that really gets to that crowd?
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@@mikael7084 Gottem!
Rmb guys one of their devs ranted at us for commenting on the artstyle “so early in development” 😂😂
I mean they have a point, the game is super early and should not be judged yet.
Having said that... Why the fuck are they showing so much of it then!? Ultimately this is the fault of their marketing strategy.
@@Ravengagepvl compare sc2 beta with this beta…how much can they change?
@@Ravengagepvl Someone had to see and approve these designs from concept artists so modelers could do them in 3d. It would be pointless to make such complex placeholders. So it's almost 90% how the game is going to look like (I'm not talking about blue models btw)
It’s about to be released, it’s not that early anymore lol. It’s embarrassing
@@Ravengagepvl I have still yet to see a WOW COOL unit. It looks like this game was made with graphics for cell phone 'mobile gaming'.
I think this seems very cool, i will definitely play it. I am grateful for a new rts game!
This game has a better chance at being competitive than “Battle Aces” - but the Celestial race is purely over powered. I’m not entirely sure of Parting’s perspective on Celestials, perhaps their early game is too open to aggression.
However, late game the Celestials seem so strong and capable of containing the other races. You will have every base with a highly flexible army and effective abilities/tools.
Race balances like this make the esports and competitive side difficult.
In terms of Battle Aces, that will never see grand esport success due to severe tempo shifts in win/lose states and overall lack of development in a consistent player skill demonstration.
In that game, it will be too easy to lose a game or series from a lower skill opponent from spontaneous factors that are purely based on the game’s design. It’s more like Mario Party RTS Battle Royal.
Funny enough. Dueing beta, the celestials win rate dropped significantly after the first day. People got used to the gimics quickly, and celestials didnt even have the highest winrate despite over 50% of players maining them
This game legit looks like something 5 Dudes hacked together during a weekend game jam. I am not saying the gameplay is bad since I haven't played it, but its so rare that a game turns me off immediately just from looking at it. I am not a graphics guy either. It's wild how unpleasant this is to look at and listen to.
I don't see it, but Im also a reasonable human who knows it "being released" in beta for testing and a full "Realease" aren't the same thing, maybe temper your expectations like a normal human being instead of being caught up in the sheep baaaahing about something petty.
The devs went ahead and set graphics to low for maximum gameplay performance. Now that's thinking ahead.
@@JerryS-zb2lf Dude why are you simping for Frost Giant on every comment? You must be an employee. Time to look for another job, hack.
The visual clarity is a big problem. There are no clear shapes or colorcoding