An Impoverished Liturgical Rite
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- The richness, the grandeur, the complexities of the prayers, the gestures, the movements of the Traditional Latin Mass far surpasses that of the Novus Ordo Missae which purposely sought to make the liturgy supposedly more accessible to modern men who appreciated, we were told, a more down to earth, pedestrian experience at Holy Mass. And this jettisoning of our liturgical inheritance…which is something of priceless worth…the loss of our very patrimony as Latin Rite Catholics…was done, we were told, for the sake of man…for the sake of the apostolate…for the sake of filling up the churches with countless modern people. Well…how did the liturgical experiment work? Judging from the number of church closings over the last few decades…it didn’t work that well.
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I pray that Latin Mass returns!
We may have to go underground…The Latin Mass will never go away
@@kittyblaine7917 sorry I didn't understand what you are conveying.
@kitty blaine The Latin Mass is under fire, this pope and his minions are doing their best to suppress it and totally abolish it. I agree with you, we will be forced to go underground just like the early Christians. May GOD save His True Catholic Church 🙏🏽
She means it will have to be celebrated in secret, because of persecution.
@@thomasburke4208 thx
My daughter and I started attending TLM mass one year ago. Recently we had to attend the anniversary mass for my grandmother at a NO parish. We didn’t receive the Eucharist and straight afterwards we attended a TLM mass. So we attended both a NO and TLM mass in one day. The difference in reverence and worship was extraordinary. It’s totally impossible to compare them, they are two separate rites. For those who want to defend the NO rite - look into how the NO mass was created by Fr Bugnini and six Protestant ministers. I thank God with all my heart … the graces we have received since we started going to TLM … uncountable. Attending TLM mass has challenged our lukewarm response to our faith (lex orandi lex credendi). NO mass is man-centred. TLM mass is God-centred. I wish everyone many blessings in their faith journey. Praise be to the Sacred Heart of Jesus!
You are so fortunate to have a TLM to attend…here in the Deep South there are few Catholics and no TLM Mass anywhere…I’m guessing but I would bet the closest TLM would be more than 100 miles away probably more…Next time you go to Mass please pray a little pray for me…God Bless🙏✝️🌹❤️
@@kittyblaine7917 Hello Kitty. I am beyond grateful to God. I attended NO mass for almost 50 years of my life and it was only due to hearing Fr Chad Ripperger on Dr Taylor Marshall’s channel (he was talking about the differences in graces received) that I started to go. Some days it takes from 45 mins to an hour one way - but it’s worth it. I understand that it’s not possible for some people to attend and hope and pray that a TLM mass will come to a parish near you. We also attend the local SSPX chapel (which has a TLM) and have received many graces and blessings there. Blessings and love from Australia (the country that believes that locking down its citizens is a national sport).
@@kittyblaine7917 My family drives an hour and a half each way. Once or twice a week, for a year and a half now. Absolutely worth it!
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I would be willing to drive the hour and a half one way Samuel but I’m telling you here in the Deep South we Catholics are few…I wish the was a TLM to drive to…
@@verum-in-omnibus1035 :
May I respectfully draw to your attention the fact that many people do not have the finances, the health or the ability to just pick up and move around the country.
Much as we would prefer to attend a Latin Mass, we are restricted by circumstances beyond our control, and offer our disappointment to God, praying that He will understand.
I'm sure that you didn't mean to offend Kitty, and I remind you that the "South" covers are very large area!
I attended a Latin mass here in NZ a few months ago. The priest who was in very poor health and only that week had suffered a heart attack had to be helped up and down the altar steps by the altar boys. Its so sad that he was the only priest able to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the mass in the Latin rite
Bless his heart…God bless those altar boys…you were witness to a beautiful Mass…There is no doubt Our Lord was present in all of those there and all around you…Is the Priest still with us now? Or has he gone home before us? I would like to add him to my list of Priests that I keep in prayer by name…
@@kittyblaine7917 I believe he is still with us. His name is Fr David Hercus. He celebrates his mass each Sunday which is dependant on his state of health, so one has to confirm before hand before attending.
@@sklenars I pray he recovers, and hopefully he gets some priestly help. Virgo Potens, ora pro nobis!
Fr David Hercus is covered in prayer.
Things and peace from metro Detroit, Michigan USA
@@sklenars
Thank you…I see someone says Fr is covered in prayer …Well he is now covered in prayer by 700+ ppl from 145 different countries as well… 🙏✝️🕊🌹❤️
I and my children have been going to the TLM exclusively now for almost a year and the two times I have been back to the NO since then - one time to fulfill my first Friday obligation and the other time for a funeral - have been excruciating: I couldn't believe that that I had attended that mass regularly for years in silent suffering, thinking that the TLM was inaccessible (ironically, "Traditionis Custodes" pushed me over the edge!).
Compared to the TLM, the NO mass appears shabby and dated, like a room in a cheap motel that hasn't be renovated since 1973. And both times the sermons were either banal or cloying (with the priest wandering through the pews trying too hard to be "engaging"). Yes, I admit that assisting at the NO mass for some years after reverting to the Catholic faith on my part did bear some spiritual fruit, but since assisting at the TLM, I've experienced immeasurably more spiritual fruits in a much shorter amount of time.
Very true. I am a trad, but had to at times attend the NO. I told my parish priest afterwards that the NO mass was banal. I knew that, but sometimes I need a reminder of how banal it truly is.
❤💜💕 No one can abrogate the Mass or the faith. Abrogate the fake Mass! You are allowed!! Do it!! 😍
St Padre Pio commissioned Fr Luigi Villa to do the work of examination of the ecclesiastical Freemasons, modernist popes. Look up Fr Luigi Villa and Chiesa Viva magazine and book "Paul VI Beatified?" by Fr Villa. Montini (Paul VI) was happy about the smoke. He was not complaining. He was describing.
FRANCIS IS HERETICAL.
Francis is "notorious in fact" (demonstrates heresy outright and draws people away from declared truths), not "notorious in law" (where others declare he is an heretic).
Very well put…
Our pastor, FSSP, built Our Lord a beautiful neo-Gothic Church.
Wow excellent, i just recently started going to the Latin Mass , it’s beautiful in every way . God deserves the very best .
This is soooooooo good!
Thanks Fr. So clear and to the point. As a priest I feel the poverty of the New Rites most keenly
I love listening to Father, (don't know his name, only recognises his voice). All his sermons are very good.
Also of Fr Ripperger's . I'm eagerly waiting for new Fr Ripperger's sermons. 🙏🙏🙏
Would love to know the name of this one. He is my favorite. I have a whole playlist dedicated to mostly his sermons.
I think this is Fr Shannon from Kentucky
I love this Father. He presents theological topics so well.
@@CatholicK5357
You would be correct my brother 🙏✝️🌹❤️
@@a1erii What does it matter? Actually it is quite fitting that you don't know his name because he recommends you talk about things you can't explain in a language you can't understand
New Liturgy drove my paternal grandparents and my dad's sister & family away. I now have to pray for their souls in purgatory everyday.
I have to pray for my cousins & their children and grandchildren.
This is such a mess
invite them to a traditional Latin Mass--- it will be a well spring to renew their faith!! go with them and also be blessed. praying for you and your family
I agree….! Empty churches, lack of reverence…..!
What a superb homily! How it would be great if everyone could listen to this good priest!
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! This brought me to tears. I think the word "impoverished" is too polite though. I think a better word is "vulgar" especially with the horrible music, people focused "performance", lack of reverence and immodest dress of the attendees.
I love listening to this channel and this priest…! ❤❤❤
Amen 🙏✝️🌹❤️
0:44 Evidence for Communion on the tongue since ancient times.
Give us O Lord an spirit that does not hold anything from you, let us not be penny pinchers in charity. And give us the prudence and clarity in order to not neglect our obligations as well, and not to have an unmoderated zeal.
Mr Mercury my brother Amen🙏✝️🌹❤️
Dear Mama Mary I love you for your motherly care and protection do continue to intercede for me Mother that I may experience Jesus more and more 🙏 🙏🙏
Thank you Fr. Shannon!🌹
Wow, Father! Home run homily. Thank you, thank you, thank you for these precious words of truth. May our beautiful Mass of all Ages liturgy be restored in the Latin rite and Novus Ordo abolished once and for all. Praying three Hail Marys for you.
This is so VERY helpful. I came into the Catholic Church in the mid 1980s (from a Baptist sect) and it was a novus ordo. I used to dispute with my SSPX Grandma that the novus was just as good as the TLM (which I didn't understand of course). I tried doing research on the issues, but particularly focusing on the SSPX. Anyhow, I began noticing that the words to the music at the novus had been changing, and that was very concerning. A couple of years after Grandma passed at age 90, out of the blue, I just KNEW I had to veil and so began that. A couple of years after that, I just KNEW that Christ is a King so Holy that I MUST kneel when receiving Him, and on my tongue. In both instances, the veiling and kneeling, I was so afraid that Father would think I was doing them just to get attention. I was literally trembling when I approached Communion and mustered the courage to kneel.
RUclips videos such as Dr. Taylor Marshall helped me see more what had happened to make the novus. As well, he mentioned that Cardinal Bernardin had deceptively rammed through Communion on the hand. Lastly, someone recommended that I read the details of Marie-Julie Jahenny's visions (all approved by her Bishop). In one, around 1910, Jesus told her "THEY ARE WORKING ON A NEW MASS---WHICH HAS WORDS ODIOUS TO ME." Since then I have wondered WHICH WORDS❓❓❓❓
Best Priest Everrrrrrrr
Who is it?
One of them for sure Katie+…Every one of his sermons touch me deep within 🙏✝️🌹❤️
@@carolynkimberly4021 Fr Shannon from Kentucky
@@rudymatheson1415 Thank you
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Thank you Father Shannon God bless you
Thank you for bringing back this priests homilies 🙏
The Novus Ordo feels like kindergarten to me.
More the "community" and improvisation that surrounds it than the mass itself for me, but I hear you.
Jesus loves children 🙏🏼
The NO parish I used to go to started singing The Gloria to the tune of My Little Pony, a children's song and cartoon. It blew me away look around and see adults of all ages singing this nursery rhyme tune. The more you focus on yourself (narcissism) the more childlike you become.
The NO is like a kindergarten ballet recital. Icksp is like the Bolshoi ballet.
@@happylittletrees5668
I think I would have broke down and cried…
During a 1970s excorism, Judas Iscariot said he urged for Holy Communion in the hand and that no one should kneel. The demons rejoiced at the changes of the Mass and lack of reverence and spirituality
@Fresh Brewed ASMR. Although I totally agree no communion in the hand and always kneeling. Demons lie also.
Seems to me that although Jesus left us no writing, he gave us a rite. This I think should be held at least as immutable as sacred scripture. Whereas what we call the new testament is more precisely "the New Testament Writings, the Mass is the actual New Testament, which is Christ himself, given by Christ himself, to most intimately have us present at, and to even join our "Amen" to, this everlasting, ever-living covenant.
AMEN 🙏🏻
Amen brother🙏✝️🌹❤️
Exactly!!
Very well said. Amen. [fist bump]
Good point! He actually gave us more than one rite, though. Until the Novus Ordo, every official rite of the Church traced its origin directly to an Apostle. Far as I know, Canon Law stipulates that all officially recognized rites must be Apostolic.
We are God's children being STARVED by those who Our Lord left to care for us. This is why a common complaint of fallen away Catholics is ' I was not being fed'!
What were these "fallen away" Catholics looking for?
Something that appealed to their personal appetites?
It's usually uninformed Catholics who leave theChurch.
@@alhilford2345 Some people are just not properly formed or had lack there of, it's not really their fault. Let's be thankful for the Traditional Latin mass and a few holy Novus Ordo masses that there are left with altar rails and holy communion on the tongue. They are rare but they still do exist.
I cannot stomach the NO liturgy.
Grew up Catholic, fell away, came back after I had kids. I have never experienced a Latin Mass. I know I'm missing out, I feel deracinated. But I also feel called to bloom where I'm planted. Still, every mass i grit my teeth at the general irreverence present in some form at almost every mass. I've been guilty of it too. Maybe it's why it bothers me so much
We all fall short of the glory of the lord brother, do not despair, give Him the very best you have to offer in prayer
If you listen to the video entitled THE END on this channel, that sermon will provide more insight about what this priest is saying in this video
Is this video THE END on Sensus?
@@kittyblaine7917 Yep
BRAVO!
I painfully remember that after 2 weeks of the announcement that we were going to have "extraordinary ministers" of The Holy Eucharist, one Woman "minister" was giving The Holy of Holiest in an "Afro" hairstyle, not being an Afro-American, and dressed in (I Apologize for this expression) Damned "hot pants"!
Aghast! Or short skirts. Huge heels. Patterned stockings. and tops with a VIEW OF CLEAVAGE ??? WEEKLY . Looks like she just came from the campus bar!! or how about middle age one with short skirt and deep plunge in front ? Somehow. Training for EUCHARISTIC MINISTERS need help. Worse is to see a host drop on the floor and the EM picks it up and puts in her pocket .!!"
Then what would you say about women who receive the Eucharist kneeling but in miniskirts, sleeveless tops? I have even seen partially exposed skin between a tight top and long skirt and this was during the TLM. I expect to see such sights in the Novus Ordo, but now they do not even take care in the TLM.
@@mariatolentino4516 Oh my... Let us pray for their conversion and for all of us trads to be humble and correct such people with charity.
@@MrMercuryW they have free will. It is not up to us to correct them, they can see the outfits around them. When I first went to the TLM, I was wearing fitting shift dresses that had hemlines at the knee. When I saw the ladies around me (that was when our TLM community was still small), I thought, "I'm dressed like a harlot." I changed my way of dressing. My hemlines dropped, I learned to wear cardigans and scarves (even in hot weather, I will wear a cardigan. It's hot? Then let it be penance. It is my prerogative). So I will not correct or judge them. They can follow the example without being told. It is just up to them. (Another example. I was not into keeping a clean house until my son bought his house and moved me in with him. It was because of his example that I learned to be more into keeping a nice, clean home.) But I also caution trads against judging those who go to the New Mass. There are many good people there as well. And Jesus is still there. The Mass is offensive to Him? Then it is our duty to console Him and weep with Him, to keep praying for the change. And some prayers have been answered. In our Cathedral, Gregorian Chant is now incorporated into the Liturgy, so there is also Latin in it. Not to mention the priests are now behind the rails so that those who want to receive reverently on the tongue while kneeling can do so. Other NO Churches here provide kneelers for the Eucharist. Yes, prayer, fasting and patience - instead of bashing - can effect good things.
@@mariatolentino4516 Of course, yet, one of the works of mercy is to admonish the sinner also translated as correcting the one who errs, so I wouldn't dismiss correcting others just because they have "free will".
While indeed, it is not our "obligation" to correct people who aren't under our authority, St. Thomas says. It is our duty with the Lord and our respect for the liturgy to correct those who err on this particular matter, if we have the opportunity and we can do so with charity.
Do not forget that Cain said to God "Am I my brother's keeper?" that's there because we are the keepers of our brothers and sisters' souls, even if they aren't our children or subordinates. As I've heard on sermons here on Fraternal Correction, many Catholic articles also correlate this verse with fraternal correction.
Many Trads are proud and bash people as you say, it's true. But that's why I said that the corrections should be with charity.
Without charity, without love, is better to not correct other people. Lets one give bad example and worse of all offend God.
Only those Traditionalists which are humble and loving should correct others.
Likewise, I have seen everything in the NO parishes and even at times someone dressing inappropriately in the TLM, but is less common.
To some people going to Mass is the same as going to the beach, women with their revealing or torn outfits and men dressed like slobs.
I agree wholeheartedly I just hope the church is strong enough to survive all this.
@John Coston. The gates of hell will not prevail!!!!
It might get worse but the Holy Catholic will rise from the dead .
Ave Maria!
Encouraged by a fellow Catholic for this past Lent challenge, I attended our diocesan TLM in Portland, ME. It was my first one and I plan on attending more. I loved the reverence and receiving at the altar rail. The priest's homily was excellent! He delivered it with passion and did not dance around some tough points. He did make a point that I continue to keep in my heart. He emphasized that when we get to heaven Christ is NOT going to ask us which Liturgical RITE we attended. He's going to evaluate HOW we LOVED. Attending the TLM helped me to appreciate both Masses, but more importantly, it emphasized that I need to FOCUS on the Corporal works and HOW I LOVE my fellow neighbor than anything else. ❤️🔥⚜️
God said to St. Catherine of Sienna about Priests, and the ornamentation of a Church, "They humble my house but their own dwelling places they lavishly furnish". Vatican ll called for a Church to be furnished with, "Noble Simplicity" (Whatever that means?). Now the Churchmen offer to God ugly houses with ugly furnishings. Theirs is the sacrifice of Cain, rejected by God.
This is so good
THANK YOU!!! I read this in the Chiesa I'm like why isn't this talked about
When will the discussion of how the Novus Ordo violates "Quo Primum", take place??!! Quo Primum is binding on all Catholics and only Jesus Christ himself can abrogate this!
Among the incidents recalled by Fr. Bouyer in his memoirs is the composition of Eucharistic Prayer II.
“It was Bouyer who had to fix in extremis a horrible formula of the new Second Eucharistic Prayer, from which Bugnini wished to expunge even the ‘Sanctus’,” Magister wrote. “And one evening, on the table of a trattoria in Trastevere, he had to rewrite the next of the new canon which is read today at Mass, together with the Benedictine liturgist Bernard Botte, with the added worry of having to deliver the whole thing by the following morning.”
I attend an Extraordinary Form during the week, and a Novus Ordo on the weekend (Saturday Vigil). I love the EF, and the NO is offered in the same spirit of sacredness that the Father in the video is speaking to. So, lucky for me that I have access to the best of both. Having said that, I agree with much that was said here and it's incredibly unfortunate that so many NO masses are open to abuse, pedantry and bad taste. I recently went to a different parish church near my office so I could pray; walked in, there were no candles, no lingering scent of incense, and a drum set with microphones set up with an electronic keyboard next to the altar. I immediately left.
Error correction: pedantry, I meant to write pedestrian but was auto-corrected
@@jamesbell6203 :
I would have walked out too!
(p.s. Do you know that you can edit your comment by hitting the three little vertical dots at the top, right hand corner on the first line?)
@@alhilford2345 Thanks for the edit tip; no I did not know that! :)
The NO drove Christ out of his temple
No it didn't. He is still there, but weeping. It is our duty to console Him and weep with Him.
@@mariatolentino4516
Amen my sister I was about to write the same thing🙏✝️🌹❤️
Why didn't emeritus pope change it? Why? Truly why? What did his holiness accomplish during his pontificate? So they all talked, but did not act. Let us call it as it is.
The Roman Rite (Novus Ordo) is hardly impoverished. I'm not saying there aren't liturgical abuses and that the Roman Rite probably should be more organically similar in some ways to the Latin Rite as it unfolded through time. The hermeneutic of continuity of the Faith is the nature movement of the Holy Spirit in the Church in both liturgy and theology.
The novus ordo was intended to destroy the Church--and it has been more successful than any previous persecution or corruption.
Thank you
Components of the Mass is in the Book of the Apocalypse, aka; Revelation. Then we have the Eucharistic Consecration in the Last Supper narratives in the Holy Gospels.
Former protestant here. The NO is way better than anything I ever got in any protestant church. And I tried at least a dozen different ones. From my limited experience, it is the reverence and devoutness of the priest and deacons that makes the biggest difference. A priest can make NO sublime and beautiful, or not so much.
@Michael H. Come to a Traditional Latin mass friend, we'd love for you to visit. You're absolutely correct on what you said, however I strongly urge you to come home.🙏
@@danacaro-herman3530 I've been to multiple TLMs at churches around the country (Idaho, Utah and Kentucky). I don't understand the fanaticism over it.
@@GrislyAtoms12I'm not a fanatic, actually I'm a cradle Catholic. The Traditional Latin mass is the true mass, I still go to the Novus Ordo when I can't make the TLM, but I much prefer the TLM.
Pope Francis responds to this video with Traditiones Custodes.
But Paul Vi allowed the destruction of the holy liturgy.
It is so difficult for me to believe that the NO Mass is truly valid. How can the Consecration be valid and then communicated directly into the hands of the people? Communion is the hand is an abomination so again, a valid Consecration to result in the desecration of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Blessed Savior? Does this make any sense?
Towards the end the priest quotes from the writings of then Fr. Ratzinger. I would love to know where that quote is from if anyone knows.
I am so bothered now. I am just a convert, the Nervous Order is all I know.
It’s OK, we all began with the NO and found our way to the true faith and TLM
At least the NO retains a valid consecrated host. Sadly, the prayers are lacking. The NO sign of peace is disorienting, at least in the TLM is more like the peace of God, not that of the people and the family running around in the temple to greet each other.
I just began RCIA, just reading materials at home so far, but I have been converted in my heart and soul for years, and I expected..something rich and beautiful, that i had dreamed about and desired, an altar with a railing..where am I going to kneel for communion in this bare place..no railing, just shallow steps to the altar, a wooden table..I thought the altars were always made of stone, or marble. I had a vision of something long gone, and when i saw the sanctuary of the church I approached for instruction, , I could not tell it from a baptist church..plain, bare, no organ, just a bandstand with drums. bare stark walls. Now I have been reading and watching Sensus Fideliuus and other presentations about the loss of the latin mass.?? .not just english translated from latin, but totally made up prayers?? I have been weeping for days, wondering how I could find a traditional llatin mass church before I commit to this local one. that is located in a very affluent area, and in a very large, expensive building, but bare and plain inside. I don’t want the “nervous order” I want the real thing. In the catechism book , on confession it says..that the New Age is occult and demonic….but the new mass is the New Order? ike the New World Order? No No it just does not sound right. .
@@prarieborn6458 It's the Novus Ordo Missae, Novus Ordo in short.
Translated in English as New Order [of the] Mass.
The Order of the Mass, whether Novus Ordo (Missal of St. Paul VI) or Latin Mass (Missal of Saint Pius V) is generally known as the Order in which the prayers and readings are said each day.
It constitutes the Ordinary (Prayers and readings which are constant) and Propers (Those which vary each day).
Now, this Novus Ordo Missae, is largely a fabrication from men in both propers and prayers. But it at least contains enough phrases of the prayer which St. Peter himself composed in order to have a valid Eucharistic consecration.
All the rituals of the Church in both Eastern and Western Catholicism can trace back their roots and Eucharistic Prayers to one of the Apostles, who as we know, were inspired by the Holy Spirit so that their prayers would be valid.
In Pentecost the Apostles received it in an special mystical way so that whatever they taught on matters of Faith and Morals would be without error.
And the Saints helped compose some of the other prayers and added the propers across the centuries, which after being accepted worldwide by the Church became valid also through the Holy Spirit working in unison with all the Bishops of the Church. These ancient rituals remained largely unchanged until this day.
Do not be discouraged, ultimately in your suffering and proper use of the Sacraments you might just be sustained with enough grace to persevere to the end.
It might be easier on the TLM if you can find one near your area, but be careful, ask the Holy Spirit for Humility and Fortitude.
And also read the Catechism of Trent and the Canons of the Council of Trent in regards to Sacraments and Justification.
But of course the new Catechism the CCC, contains many examples of moral theology that weren't developed in Trent such as things that are not allowed to be said on this platform, and what you mentioned about the New... and the New...
Just in case the US Novus ordo seclorum, means New Order of the Ages... And we know that such country was founded by enemies of the Church, and I don't mean the Protestants. But those same enemies supposedly influenced the Novus Ordo Missae.
Praying for you
The Novus Ordo is still valid although it doesn’t have the utmost reverence to the Holy Eucharist that the Traditional Latin Mass have.
Recently I been thinking of taking everything I have and start an orphanage or just donate it away,do u guys think I'm stupid?
Is it really true that St Peter wrote the Roman Canon?
I have yet to find the historical source, but this was also mentioned by Catholic Apologist Trent Horn that there was evidence that Peter did actually write at least part of it.
I found in the Remnant Newspaper that Peter wrote this prayer in Syro-Chaldaic while he was in Antioch, and it was copied and translated to Greek and finally Latin where it would remain.
Perhaps we can say that while Peter (and other Church Fathers) wrote the said prayer(s), God was its author
I go to the TLM once a week with my son who is on the autism spectrum. I go to mass in my Ordinary Form Parish on Sundays. I have seen more liturgical abuses at the TLM than in my parish. An example: the feast of St. Joseph - the choir saying the credo and took so long doing it the priest read the scripture readings and the Gospel while they were singing. And he did not read them in English afterwards. I find the lack of a homily disturbing, whereas I get fed spiritually by the homilies at my OF Church. No-one in the TLM parish seems to know where they are during the liturgy so most say a private devotion. .. the rosary. I’m not sure Our Lady would value the rosary above the Eucharist. The TLM seems impoverished spiritually. One thing I do appreciate is the many opportunities for confession, however, my own parish runs confession before each mass.
Nothing you mention constitutes liturgical abuse.
Why do you continue going to the Latin Mass if you just find fault with it?
We go to the Mass not for the "feels" and being fed. There are 4 parts. 1. To adore thee.2. To thank thee.3. To appease they justice.4. To implore grace and mercy for ones self and those you are bound to pray.
When we start looking where one can be spiritually fed, we start having the mind set of a Protestant.
We don't go to the Mass for a rip roaring good sermon. Or the priest being light hearted, or giving us chills. No. In fact he could have the most boring sermon and that's fine . We go for the Eucharist.We go for Christ.
In what you have explained at the TLM does not sound like liturgical abuse. In fact in the TLM in the pamphlet if you follow it, it describes the choir chanting/ singing certain places of the Mass while the priest prays . He does secret prayers too. Remember he is there on our behalf.
It is hard for Novus Ordo babies ( I'm one too) to come from that kind of style of Mass to TLM. Because you actually get more freedom in the TLM . It is perfectly acceptable, appropriate,and not an abuse to pray the rosary during Mass, scripture ,or yes follow along.
My husband and It's first experience to be honest was awesome but overwhelming. I had tears in my eyes but at the same time was frustrated. Because I was use to following along with the priest and the people. But see sadly that's many people. We are so frustrated we don't want to stop and see just why TLM is so important and correct.
Yes it does require reading about it. There are pamphlets you can follow. We have books too. But here's the list beautiful part of our Lord, while yes it would be good to know that , you don't have to know it perfectly. You can sit there and witness the beauty and the amazing gift of Christ coming to us in the Eucharist.
This Ancient Mass worked for thousands of years. And now it has been attacked big time. But Holy Mother Church will not perish.
Liturgical abuse means something very different. Especially when I have visited a Novus Ordo. It's talking and dancing info front the the Blessed Sacrament. The Tabernacle no longer in the center of the alter as it should be. It's people talking and no sacred silence. It's immodest dress. It's priests cracking jokes and coming down from the pulpit and acting like it's comedy hour. It's acting like a Protestant service . Women acting like the priest, the Communion in hand. It's so sad. And parents allowing.... ALLOWING...their kids to crawl on the alter and play on it after Mass. It drove me nuts at my last parish.
I go to a TLM parish . 5yrs now. And while yes the Novus Ordo is valid, I shutter to think I may have to one day go there. I would grateful to receive our precious Lord , but it's abuse I see.
Our parish is growing so quickly and in droves that we are now averaging 2'000 people just on Sundays. And it's still growing. On top of that it's mostly young people . Young families. We have had to get rid of our cafeteria and make it a place for over flow. We have had to use the parking lot now and make a new building for more room. It's beautiful to see. And yet I hear at my old parish people are leaving , confused , no longer care about the Mass or gosh ...I'll just watch it on TV kinda attitude. That's the same right? I hate to hear that. If you notice too so many Novus Ordos are still masking and separating people. TLMs are not. Our priest haven't and won't mask. Praise God!
I hope I don't come off as attacking. I do understand the frustration of switching . Especially with something you have known all your life. I was a Novus Ordo for the first 35 years of my life. I'm so excited that I'm actually better able to follow along. And while I don't know everything, in a way I do know what's going on. It is sacred and it is right.
Please get some books on the TLM and the history of it. It will help.
And lastly while yes we are Ina way divided, Christ's church will NOT perish. We are one body in Christ. Stay the course folks, pray the rosary, use the sacraments. And if you cannot attend a TLM please don't stop going to Mass. Christ is still there in the Eucharist.
Viva Cristo Rey!!
does anyone know the name of this priest?
NO! The name says it.
Informal, immodest and inappropriate dress and behavior results from the place of worship designed as if it were not a special place at all. People think that it must not be that important, God's House that is, so why treat it as such?
Surprisingly, I have seen such outfits in the TLM as well.
@@mariatolentino4516 I haven't, thank God.
St.Padre Pio would not hear the confession of a woman who was immodestly dressed. People easily dismiss the messages emitted by inappropriate forms of dressing. In various apparitions of Our Lady, she mentions fashions being introduced that would offend God very much. Many dont seem to mind committing sins by immodest dressing.
@@LUIS-ox1bv exactly. Yet I see many now in sleeveless tops, miniskirts, leggings, jeans in the TLM and they are lined up for Confession.
Thank You, somebody “gets it” your video is exactly why I converted to Eastern Orthodox.
I couldn’t stand by and watch my Catholic Church destroy itself. 🙏🌺☦️🌺🙏
But you left the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church?
You might check out an Anglican Use parish if you're lucky enough to live near one. It is beautiful and reverent like the TLM but in Shakespearian English.
Why would a Catholic go to an Anglican parish?
They could be in serious danger of mortal sin!
I'm genuinely curious as a Catholic who attends both the TLM and Novus Ordo, though a very reverent version (spoken in latin, only gregorian chants, heavy incense, no holding hands during the Our Father, no protestant signs of peace), at St. John Cantius in Chicago, why are some Orders like SSPX so hard line on such a small issue of saying Holy GHOST over Holy SPIRIT? Both are referenced in the Gospel and New Testament.
@Jessica Kim yeah every encounter I’ve had with them has been exhausting. They have this insane expectation of perfection. Saint Peter would not have been a favorite of their’s to say the least.
I have had the completely opposite experience with the priests of the SSPX. They are kind and on this specific point acknowledged that “Holy Spirit” is appropriate at times. It involves Latin vs. Germanic translation. Their theological formation is so far superior to that of the diocesan priests and you need only compare homilies once or twice to understand this. They use the 1962 Missal, and to prevent confusion, use the translations of the Latin verbiage of Holy Mother Church at that time. It would be preferable for all to learn the Latin and disregard differences in English translations.
They say Holy Ghost, because it's an adequate name, as it is for a person of the Trinity. While "Spirit" would appear to some in the English language as something like an energy, or a feeling or state of mind. Many non-Catholic "Christian" sects claim the Holy Spirit to be an energy or simply another word to refer to God's special blessings or other uncountable heresies.
In earlier centuries the word ghost was used for a spirit of any kind, that is an spiritual entity with a will. But as the century passed that meaning for the word ghost was lost and it became be exclusively one of a dead person.
The Douay Rheims an Early Modern English Catholic bible uses the term Holy Ghost almost exclusively. It is a liturgically approved bible in English speaking countries.
It was always Holy Ghost in English-speaking countries before Vatican II
Today is the Divine mercy sunday,Why no sermon on it?
Ton linked here sensusfidelium.com/the-liturgical-year-dom-prosper-gueranger/easter/low-sunday-quasimodo/
Low Sunday*
The Divine Mercy devotions where condemned under John XXIII. The suddenly ok under JPII.
Low Sunday has always been Divine Mercy Sunday.....the institution of the the Sacrament of Confession. No need for new fangled version that was condemned by a pope.
@@timthunell2685 John XXIII wasn't in Poland in the 1930s. St. Faustina and Wojtyla were there.
I go to the TLM each Sunday, but I defend St. Faustina. She spent her entire life with the TLM.
@@penguinsfan251 Pius XI wasn't in The Soviet Union but he condemned communism....what's your point?
I will make the argument that the two men who wrote the prayer in the cafe saved us from what they replaced with their writing. It was providence that they did this, a lessening of the damage of something bad.
This is even more speculative, but I'll add anyway that the novus ordo was adopted without proper promulgation anyway, so nothing would have stopped the original second prayer from being included no matter how bad it was. It probably would have eventually been removed, at best.
I always have to have the last word... The video closed with (possibly paraphrased) "the new liturgy has failed." No it has not. It has separated the goats from the sheep, it did what God had for it to do.
Eucharist prayer #2 is the one the Modernist priests use most often.
@@johnthoits2367 He was not saying that what God intended in permitting the new liturgy has failed. Instead he was claiming that the intentions of those worldly minded men who made these reforms were a failure. God can use bad peoples intentions to accomplish His will, but He does not Himself do evil.
At least they kept the "HOC EST ENIM CORPUS MEUM." and the Consecration of the Precious Blood which is originally "PRO MULTIS." Sadly many NO Missals and Priests translate that as "for all" and not "For many" as St. Peter originally wrote.
However, I don't think the Lord is pleased with an unconsecrated chalice and paten as happens often in NO parishes, many NO priests skip the baptism exorcism... etc.
NO seem to be fastfood to me vs the TLM, the true gourmet meal, highly delicious and nutritious, cooked properly in the optimum temperature with the finest ingredients...
No T.L.M. = NO $
The Anglican Ordinariate should be the only form of the English Mass. If Latins wants active participation, they should visit an Eastern rites.
Each Eucharistic prayer is taken from different rites. It's basically wanted to put the Eastern rites, Protestants and Catholics together.
excellent argument for the Traditional Mass although its danger is excessive piety. The loss of the Churches and its occupants is not do to overall irreverence but due to Unfaithful, Unholy, and Immoral clergy! It is left for many holy Catholics and a few remaing holy clergy, along with Christ to save the Church. Novus Ordo Mise is a right move by the Church so that those holy parishioners may pick up where the clergy has failed, in holiness
Am I misunderstanding you?
Since when has "...excessive piety "been wrong?
Many renditions of the O.N. Mass have been completely stripped of piety.
That is the problem
@@alhilford2345 yes, excessive piety can be unnecessary. Look at Christ for reference. How the Jewish customs allowed for over 600 laws or rules. He further stated that there were only 10 commandments. Looking like your fasting when you should not...praying in a private space not for show, orJewish leaders that wear long tassels looking for praise and so forth. I can probably go on for hrs. finding of more examples of overdoing piety
I TOTALLY AGREE TO ABANDON THE NEW LITURGIES.. WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO ENCOURAGE SUCH UGLY LITURGIES.WHAT S THEIR PURPOSE ARE PEOPLE IMPORTANT OR ARE WE SIMPLE PUPETTS?
Fastenating, Judas - the first virtue signaler
I thought we were supposed to do what Jesus did. At the Last Supper. In a small quiet simple rented place. And then go out and be priests of the word to others as temples of His Spirit. In the way His Spirit leads us. Different every day, if we truly listen.
That might work if the Mass was just a meal, as non-Catholics believe, but the Mass is a SACRIFICE, and the altar is CALVARY!
There's nothing else like it anywhere on earth.
It's a glimpse of Heaven!
Source for outlandish tale, equals crack pipe.
The claim that Saint Peter himself composed the Roman Canon is simply not borne out by any evidence. I love the Roman Canon, and its antiquity is not in doubt. But you can't argue for something by obscuring the truth.
The history of the liturgy is quite complicated, and it helps nobody to pretend the Liturgy has remained static and unchanging for over 1500 years. Sure, growth was much slower and organic, which can be partially ascribed to lack of technology and the slow process of producing manuscripts. But the Liturgy has always changed and continues to change. The real concern is remaining faithful to the truth of the Gospel, while sacramentalizing Christ's offering in the Holy Mass as a foretaste of the heavenly liturgy which is taking place even now.
The TLM needed to be reformed, which is why the Liturgical movement was underway nearly 100 years prior to the 2nd Vatican council. You can argue some of the outcomes were less than ideal to straight up terrible and I'd agree. But pinning it all on the liturgy is foolish, at best. Just remember the complete societal upheaval of the times, and how dramatically it affected everyone, not just Catholics. So anyone suggesting that the TLM is perfect as is needs to remember that the TLM is all we had, and ultimately what led to the NO. It's less about finding the perfect 'form' of our prayer than it is about conforming our hearts to Christ in and through that form of prayer.
Be specific please regarding the changes.
You say, “the TLM NEEDED to be reformed “. Why? Attendance was 80% with the TLM and < 10% now. Those stats stink to high heaven.
There are more Catholics in Africa today than there were in the total world in 1960. I have gone to Vietnamese Masses in America which are NO; and they are jam packed to the rafters. There are other countries like that too, Latin America, Hispanics in the US too, where the Church is packed again. TLM in the overall scene, is an extremely small minority. Trads often seem to be the Jack Chicks of the Catholic world, self-centered, self-love, narcissistic, casting suspicions on others. Who you are talking about is actually a very small group of people. Catholics are not just white males and women and I'm in that group. Poland too, sees great crowds at church. Maybe look around a bit. I've dismissed this as rebellious, good luck implementing the Latin Mass in the Philippines, India and so on. Love God with all one's heart, love your neighbor as you love yourself. Matthew 22. If the good Father likes to make comparisons, maybe look at Matthew 6.
So is this channel and these teachings in communion with Rome? You spend so much of your time posting videos attacking Novus Ordo mass, which okay, it’s not for you, fine. But it’s still a valid form of mass. This all reminds me so much of what Protestants do. They attack Rome too. We need to be one. Even if you pray in Latin and I pray in English, we are both Catholic. What’s your movement? SSPX? Old Roman Catholic Church?
Listen to the video entitled THE END on Sensus Fidelium
They are listing the truths of the Novus Ordo. We recognize it as a valid form of the mass but does this make it a good mass? I will not have this debate on a comment section. I suggest learning more about the topic instead of posting this unnecessary comment.
This is a Fssp priest in communion of Rome, just stating facts not opinions
What this channel Sensus Fidelium posts is content of priests in communion with the Holy See, most of which come from religious orders or societies of apostolic life under the Vatican's Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life.
These institutes, societies and religious orders are outside the diocesan structure which is what is most known, with diocesan priesthood and parishes, these societies of priests and religious brothers and sisters while in comunion with the Local Bishop also have a religious superior who answers to the Vatican.
Many of these pray in English and vernacular languages as well, but outside of the Liturgy. Some have music on the vernacular at the end of a Latin Mass, such as Christmas Carols and such, vernacular prayers have always been something good.
However Latin is reserved for the Liturgy for it being the official language of the Church as well as one of the languages that was on the Cross, it's a sacred language for that reason, and the only one of which has remained unchanged across the centuries, hence why the meaning of the prayers doesn't change over time.
Outside of the dramatic tone the priest presents, it shows that the Novus Ordo mass is impoverished, and it's use and misuse has had many negative consequences. These are facts, not opinions, as should be expected from a ritual that was sabotaged and restored just enough so that it would be valid, yet not ideal.
There are very detailed expositions on this channel as to how the shortcomings of the NO are detrimental to the priest and the faithful who attend for concrete reasons.
As the situation is problematic for the salvation of souls it is indeed necessary for priests to address the NO, Modernism and the changes in Catholic culture. So that they do not fall into error, and while the priests in Sensus Fidelium do not prefer the NO Missae, they do not see it as something intrinsically evil, but rather a barely valid Missae, due to heretics within the Church having a hand on it and other non-Catholic influences.
I have not seen the priests on this channel shun the NO laity nor priests who are sincerely trying to do their best. When speaking about the NO they only seem concerned with heresies, liturgical abuses, sin, the bad influences of culture. etc.
What I see most attacked in this video is how the World takes priority over the magnificence which was due to God alone. The NO Mass is a result of trying to make the Mass conform more to the people and the World, rather than bringing people to conform to God and renounce the influences of the World.
This is seen in the use of Latin, the faithful conform to the language of the Church, not the Church to the language of the world, and learning how to pronounce it is a worthwhile sacrifice, even if it is for memorizing a few sentences in the liturgy and learning sacred chant.
Christ refers to "The World", meaning vain interests, depravity, materialism, pride, banality, and other defects the World has.
That is why you see people dressing like they are going to the beach in NO masses, as it largely looks like an informal gathering in an informal place.
@@MrMercuryW Well said.
Some very bad history. How does this priest have ANY idea what St. Peter wrote IF anything. Lots of conjecture.
The historical evidence is very clear. You are mistaken. The priest is correct.
Can you prove that statement
It’s called TRADITION. the apostles passed down their teachings to their successors
What? What an ignorant thing to say